Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-26 Thread ChemE Stewart
Here is a good scientific video on resonance http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/02/24/resonance-beings-of-frequency/ On Wednesday, February 26, 2014, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Do you know about the Earth's natural Schumann Resonance? There is a theory that life evolved so as to

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-26 Thread Alain Sepeda
many interesting points. Bitcoin interesrt beside being anonymous like coins and bills. Some people like libertarians and gold lovers loke bitcoins because they think the quantity of physicical bitcons, like gold (but more predictably than gold) cannot be fudged by central banks. In fact it is

Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:02 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Might the mechanical telephone will make a comeback? Yes, after the 2018 Iranian EMP attack.

Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-26 Thread ChemE Stewart
X9 Solar Flare On Wednesday, February 26, 2014, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:02 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Might the mechanical telephone will make a comeback? Yes, after the 2018 Iranian EMP attack.

[Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Jones Beene
/524691/marginally-useful/?utm_campai gn=newslettersutm_source=newsletter-daily-allutm_medium=emailutm_content= 20140226 who came to realize, if only by serendipity - that all government-backed currencies are ultimately less reliable than any invented currency whose supply can be carefully

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: The Rossi E-Cat is an advanced but unproved energy device which has been publicly replicated by no reliable laboratory, and exists because a small number of humans working on similar projects have chosen to believe in its legitimacy. There are FAR

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-26 Thread Michele Comitini
@Terry Don't forget freicoin, my favourite. Anti banker by design. http://freico.in/ 2014-02-26 13:28 GMT+01:00 Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com: many interesting points. Bitcoin interesrt beside being anonymous like coins and bills. Some people like libertarians and gold lovers loke

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Bob Cook
coders * http://www.technologyreview.com/review/524691/marginally-useful/?utm_campai gn=newslettersutm_source=newsletter-daily-allutm_medium=emailutm_content= 20140226 who came to realize, if only by serendipity - that all government-backed currencies are ultimately less reliable than any invented

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Bob Cook
* http://www.technologyreview.com/review/524691/marginally-useful/?utm_campai gn=newslettersutm_source=newsletter-daily-allutm_medium=emailutm_content= 20140226 who came to realize, if only by serendipity - that all government-backed currencies are ultimately less reliable than any invented currency

[Vo]:Lutz - born again

2014-02-26 Thread Jones Beene
http://cleantechnica.com/2014/02/26/bob-lutz-named-via-motors-chairman-board /?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+IM-cleantechnic a+%28CleanTechnica%29 He has come full circle. He is now a born-again EV kinda guy, but it was not always that way for Bob Lutz. Plus, Via has

RE: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Bob Cook Jones--Bob here. Due to two emergent memes coming together at the same time, one wonders if Andrea Rossi was paid in Bitcoins :-) I do not think so. Hi Bob, Sometimes my best effort at a bit of cynical humor do not shine through :)

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-26 Thread James Bowery
Alain, what you are talking about are what I previously called the exchange layer of cryptocurrency infrastructure. That layer of the infrastructure is not necessary. Cryptocurrency differs from gold in that the safest place to keep it is not in a central location but in your own electronic

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-26 Thread Terry Blanton
Edison's Renegade Currency: http://pro.moneymappress.com/NVXBITCOIN49/WNVXQ116/

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread James Bowery
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: control of Bitcoin's control capability has come into question. Not by any reputable analysts. The problems thus far have been in the financial services layer, not in the underlying cryptocurrency wire-transfer/public

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-26 Thread Edmund Storms
I have been following this discussion with interest because I bought a bitcoin. As best as I can tell, the personal wallet that contains my coin is located at and is under the control of an exchange, such as MtGov. This is no different from the money in my account at the bank. If the exchange

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread H Veeder
Gold coins could be counterfeited, so people would bite them to see if they were real. What is the byte test for bitcoins? ;-) harry

RE: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-26 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Edison's Renegade Currency: http://pro.moneymappress.com/NVXBITCOIN49/WNVXQ116/ Here's the vid- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPM3OKFYH-o However, if anyone can do this kind of thing - then thousands of entrepreneurs will be tempted. Everyone

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-26 Thread Craig
So, as for safety of money, it seems we are at the mercy of the location where the money is stored. That is why the mattress is looking better all the time. Because Bitcoin is digital, you can also store your bitcoins on your personal computer, or print out your private key and store it in a

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Eric Walker
What is the byte test for bitcoins? ;-) Verification of a chain of cryptographic signatures, if I'm not mistaken. I.e, perhaps the most secure way we know of for verifying the provenance of something at the moment. Eric

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-26 Thread James Bowery
In the event of EMP all bets are off. The only community I know that has taken my advice regarding preparation for a post-EMP america is an Assembly of God congregation run by a childhood friend of mine. They'll have a local economy based on a monetary system I designed as well as EMP-hardened

Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-26 Thread Bob Cook
Jones--you wrote: The only way the USA could have achieved the same reliable nuclear program as France did is essentially with Socialism, and a national policy for nuclear. Having coal made that policy impossible here – so we did not do that, and now the cost of nuclear is through the roof.

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Edison's Renegade Currency: http://pro.moneymappress.com/NVXBITCOIN49/WNVXQ116/ Here's the vid- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPM3OKFYH-o However, if anyone can do

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Alain Sepeda
it seems that test is the object of the bitcoin miners. they don't mine crytokeys, thet are simply paid for their work to check and reconcile the transations log, the accounting registers... some expert should correct me. 2014-02-26 18:05 GMT+01:00 H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com: Gold coins

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Bob Cook
Jones-- I make the same mistake frequently. Bob - Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 8:02 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here? -Original Message- From: Bob Cook Jones--Bob here.

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-26 Thread Alain Sepeda
as far as I understood, a bit coin is just an elliptic curve (a numeric key like RSA key is), which allow you to sign transactions on the account it represent. if I understand well, it is not a balance, but simply a key. you can store it as printed paper, but the community store the history of

RE: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Jones Beene
From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com it seems that test is the object of the bitcoin miners. they don't mine crytokeys, thet are simply paid for their work to check and reconcile the transations log, the accounting registers... The real problem with Bitcoins is not really security. Instead

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-26 Thread Axil Axil
The value of money is predicated on trust. If people loss trust in the system that defines the value of money, money loses all its value. For example, is the U.S. government does not back its currency, the U.S, dollar is worthless. This is the reason why a default in the US debt commitment will be

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: The real problem with Bitcoins is not really security. Instead it is that there is nothing there, there nothing but speculative fever. Anyone contemplating any renegade currency should read up on the Dutch Tulip bubble of 1619 and beyond. . . . See

Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-26 Thread Alain Sepeda
the problem of too many design for reactors have been identified since long. CEA in france organized a coherent park of reactor. Among the cause of Fukushima accident identified too many independent design of reactors in japan, too hard to update, and where experience about one reactor could not

RE: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-26 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Cook The only way the USA could have achieved the same reliable nuclear program as France did is essentially with Socialism, and a national policy for nuclear. Having coal made that policy impossible here – so we did not do that, and

Re: [Vo]:X-prize proposal

2014-02-26 Thread Kevin O'Malley
A recent LENR crowdfunding example http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/02/e-cat-world-hho-experimentcrowdfunding-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-178527 E-Cat World HHO Experiment/Crowdfunding Proposal Posted on February 26, 2014 by adminhttp://www.e-catworld.com/author/admin/* 19

Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

2014-02-26 Thread Alain Sepeda
The socialism (some explain that Gaulism is right-winged socialism, a kind of paternalist state, while pink socialism is maternalism) have some success, especially in place were state is quite efficient and people experienced to regulation (french entrepreneur can survive in very complex

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread H Veeder
It is a matter of values rather than beliefs. If people stopped valuing flowers, the tulip bulb would cease to have value. Likewise if people stopped valuing computer science, bit coins would cease to have value. Harry On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

[Vo]:Progress to date

2014-02-26 Thread Axil Axil
The following post is a synthesis of a number of individual and disjointed posts that I have produced in recent months to make sense of a complicated issue. That issue is the confusion incipient in the vast differences and contradictions seen in a wide variety of LENR systems. From system to

Re: [Vo]:Progress to date

2014-02-26 Thread ChemE Stewart
I like that summary. I am also convinced the EMR from our high powered microwave radars are having the same/similar effect on the vacuum component pervasive in our atmosphere and at higher energy levels in jet streams. Magnetrons and klystrons appear to be an effective means of charging up the

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-26 Thread Edmund Storms
OK Craig, if the bitcoin can be stored in a person's computer, why are people upset that they lost money from MtGov. How is that loss possible? Did they fail to transfer the coin to themselves? In any case, for me to sell my coin, I need an exchange that has money and access to my bank

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: If people stopped valuing flowers, the tulip bulb would cease to have value. True, but people have valued flowers in every culture, in every era in recorded history. It seems to be inborn. Or instinctual. So there is little chance that people will stop

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-26 Thread Terry Blanton
You can store them on your droid: https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet Some people keep them with the exchange because of the transaction lag time. They can reside in only one wallet, however.

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-26 Thread Terry Blanton
BTW, if you want to sell your coin, I'll buy it. I'll send you my wallet address and when the transaction is complete, I'll send cash to your paypal account. On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: You can store them on your droid:

[Vo]:Drop a clock

2014-02-26 Thread John Berry
If you are in an accelerating space elevator, and you throw a clock upwards and then it falls down, the clock looks to be accelerating, but it is in a constant inertial frame not accelerating and so your time should slow due to acceleration according to the equivalence principle of General

Re: [Vo]:Drop a clock

2014-02-26 Thread leaking pen
gravity is an acceleration vector, it IS accelerating in relation to itself, not just in relation to you. In addition, it's an accelerating acceleration vector. On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:57 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: If you are in an accelerating space elevator, and you

RE: [Vo]:Progress to date

2014-02-26 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Axil, I am in total agreement with your first 5 paragraphs and I agree with where you are going but disagree that magnetism will increase or decrease particle production... even used in conjunction with nano geometry which restricts larger virtual particles in a casimir like manner the

Re: [Vo]:Progress to date

2014-02-26 Thread ChemE Stewart
I believe this magnetron is energizing the vacuum component in the atmosphere: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/waves/magnetron.html The Magnetron The microwave radiationhttp://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/ems2.html#c4 of microwave ovens and some radar applications is

Re: [Vo]:Drop a clock

2014-02-26 Thread John Berry
Leaking, this does not apply to the elevator example though. And the equivalence principle states that G-force and Gravity aren't similar but are the same thing. So if the non-accelerating clock in the elevator can't be reasoned to be time dilated according to GR since it occupies an inertial

Re: [Vo]:Progress to date

2014-02-26 Thread ChemE Stewart
at this resonant frequency L-band frequencies of 1250 to 1350 MHz As well as: - 1 MW peak power (magnetron with solid-state modulator) - Operating frequency is 5510 MHz (C-band) These power levels and frequencies are triggering an increase in sonic booms and shallow, weak earthquakes

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread James Bowery
What is there in BItcoin is what was there when IBM's deployment of MSDOS on its PCs forced everyone to buy MSDOS and write applications for MSDOS: The network effect. There are two essential ingredients that go into this network effect for Bitcoin and neither of them involve speculative fever

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-26 Thread Craig
On 02/26/2014 03:38 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: OK Craig, if the bitcoin can be stored in a person's computer, why are people upset that they lost money from MtGov. How is that loss possible? Did they fail to transfer the coin to themselves? In any case, for me to sell my coin, I need an

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-26 Thread James Bowery
Well, they can reside wherever the private key is. That's the problem: Some people entrusted their private key to a third party (the exchange) and the third party did not engage in best practices. The transaction time is no different for a private key on your personal computer -- the

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-26 Thread James Bowery
That is essentially correct. A couple of nitpicks: 1) MtGox traded in only one cryptocurrency Bitcoin. It had multiple sovereign currences against which Bitcoins could be traded. There were continual rumors that MtGox was going to expand its cryptocurrency offerings to, say, Litecoine, but

Re: [Vo]:Drop a clock

2014-02-26 Thread John Berry
Leaking, I guess you are implying the equivalence principle is not meant to apply to dropped objects? On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:19 AM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: Leaking, this does not apply to the elevator example though. And the equivalence principle states that G-force and

[Vo]:Re: BrightSource

2014-02-26 Thread Bob Cook
Alain-- You wrote: The problem is that it is killing incentive, and blocking innovations, enforcing conformism, preventing entrepreneur to focus on their business, and too much focusing on fiscal questions. US have similar problems of conservatism, innovation blockage, among which LENR, but

[Vo]:Re: Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Bob Cook
Jed-- What about gold? Bob From: Jed Rothwell Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:46 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here? H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: If people stopped valuing flowers, the tulip bulb would cease to have value. True, but people

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Randy wuller
I have listened as long as I can to this discussion of Bitcoin by a community of those alleged technical people (ie scientists) on a email list devoted to for the most part Cold Fusion/LENR. Bitcoin isn't valuable because it has a limited supply, it is in essence worthless for that reason.

Re: [Vo]:Drop a clock

2014-02-26 Thread John Berry
If I am wrong about this and this is an expected difference, then the equivalence principle is often wrongly stated to be far more bulletproof than it should be stated. This source says: http://www.personal.kent.edu/~fwilli...Relativity.pdf The Equivalence Principle says that it's not just that

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Randy wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote: The sooner you stop thinking like 19th century people the sooner we can start living in the world of plenty. You obviously missed the president's speech the other day when he said The time of prosperity is over. sigh

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Randy wuller
If he said that I am happy I missed it. I would have thrown my shoe at the TV. Utter nonsense. We are about to enter an age of almost unlimited prosperity. - Original Message - From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 4:45

Re: [Vo]:Re: Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Jed-- What about gold? That's a complicated subject! First, gold has considerable intrinsic value, for electronics, fillings and other medical uses, and so on, plus aesthetic value in jewelry. Second, in ancient times gold was an excellent means of

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: You obviously missed the president's speech the other day when he said The time of prosperity is over. When did he say that?!? It sounds out of character. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Randy wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote: Currency to have value in our modern age can't be fixed to some arbitrary value, it must be able to grow rapidly as the value of goods and services can and should grow rapidly in the future. Human value has almost nothing to do with productivity

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Cryptographically secure limited number of coins. I don't see any value to this. It causes the value to fluctuate rapidly and unpredictably. 2) Cryptograpicically secure transmission of coins between private keys. They have had this for a long

Re: [Vo]:Drop a clock

2014-02-26 Thread leaking pen
Not at all, however, if you are accelerating at a rate away from the body that the clock is falling towards, than you have a force being applied to you both to create YOUR acceleration, and to cancel out the acceleration towards that body. Therefore the clock is accelerating towards the body at

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Alain Sepeda
it depende on what usage you make of a currency, and of the coins. bit coins are COINS... like coins and banknotes, the mass is not so important if there are contacts that extend the monerary mass. Today most of gold is paper-gold, contracts. bitcoins, is not better than platinum, gold, or

[Vo]:Re: Progress to date

2014-02-26 Thread Bob Cook
Fran and Axil-- Don’t forget the Chiral effect http://physik.uni-graz.at/~dk-user/talks/Chernodub_25112013.pdf a quote from the previous link: “In strong magnetic field quarks and antiquarks pair more effectively! S.P. Klevansky and R. H. Lemmer ('89); H. Suganuma and T. Tatsumi ('91) -

Re: [Vo]:Re: Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Edmund Storms
I do not understand this argument for an unlimited amount of money. Gold can be given any value in dollars , hence the amount available in physical form can be given as much buying power you want without changing the amount of physical gold. Right now the price is held at artificial low levels

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Craig
Sure, but electronic-speed wire transfer began in the 1850s, I think. Modern wire transfer began in 1871. - Jed I went to the bank and wired money to a company here in the US. The process took over an hour of my time, and the receiver didn't receive the money for serveral hours. With

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-26 Thread James Bowery
Errata: Litecone - Litecooin The exchange to ask - The exchange doesn't ask possess the privatekey - possess the cryptocoin On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 4:13 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: That is essentially correct. A couple of nitpicks: 1) MtGox traded in only one

Re: [Vo]:Drop a clock

2014-02-26 Thread John Berry
I have about 4 fundamentally different thought experiments to debunk Relativity in various ways besides various other arguments involving electromagnetism. While they have never been really hard to grasp, I have never had one that can be described in 2 quick sentences and be really easy to grasp

Re: [Vo]:Drop a clock

2014-02-26 Thread leaking pen
Maybe I am missing something at this point as well. Isn't dilation an effect of VELOCITY and not acceleration? On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 4:26 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: I have about 4 fundamentally different thought experiments to debunk Relativity in various ways besides

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread James Bowery
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Cryptographically secure limited number of coins. I don't see any value to this. It causes the value to fluctuate rapidly and unpredictably. Your first statement is

Re: [Vo]:Drop a clock

2014-02-26 Thread John Berry
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:12 PM, leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote: Not at all, however, if you are accelerating at a rate away from the body that the clock is falling towards, No offence to you, but I thought that misunderstanding this was impossible. You are not accelerating away from a

Re: [Vo]:Drop a clock

2014-02-26 Thread leaking pen
YOU said falls down. That assumes a mass and direction. Your statement of the experiment assumes a massive body being accelerated away from. if we are talking about in free space, then that is different. However, dilation is based on velocity, not acceleration. I'm PRETTY positive on this

Re: [Vo]:Drop a clock

2014-02-26 Thread John Berry
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:38 PM, leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I am missing something at this point as well. Isn't dilation an effect of VELOCITY and not acceleration? Both! General Relativity states that time dilation occurs in gravity fields and with acceleration (G-Force)

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread James Bowery
To sum up my monetary system's basis: By this means, the monetary base becomes the liquid value of the local economy's assets. Maintenance of zero inflation/deflation is achieved by increasing or decreasing the citizen's dividend with respect to revenue. On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:39 PM, James

Re: [Vo]:Drop a clock

2014-02-26 Thread leaking pen
No, the dilation due to acceleration is the change in velocity, from everything I've read. And, we already do this experiment in a way. GPS satellites. The adjustment of time from their signal tells us which way they are going. There is no adjustment given or needed for the constant

Re: [Vo]:Re: Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Alain Sepeda
there is no more any problem of gold quantity, like there is no problem with banknotes volume. Fed bank no more print banknotes (not enoug papers on earth for US dollars). I just have to give a paper contract I ow you 10 tons of gold and I will have created 10 ton of gold. if someone need it as

Re: [Vo]:Drop a clock

2014-02-26 Thread John Berry
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:01 PM, leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote: YOU said falls down. That assumes a mass and direction. Your statement of the experiment assumes a massive body being accelerated away from. if we are talking about in free space, then that is different. In the

Re: [Vo]:Drop a clock

2014-02-26 Thread Alain Sepeda
note that GPS satellites have experienced that phenomenon. since they experience different gravity field (in fact they are in freefall, unlike us walkers), they experience time dilation/contraction 2014-02-27 0:40 GMT+01:00 John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com: On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:12 PM,

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation impossibility

2014-02-26 Thread Gibson Elliot
John I agree with you, and I think the crux of the issue is that there are other experiments that have been misinterpreted as well. SR is a convenient way of explaining things away around the perceived absence of the aether. I have been working on a model that I think explains things better. I

Re: [Vo]:Drop a clock

2014-02-26 Thread leaking pen
Berry, I'm fairly certain that is dilation from the velocity copresent with the acceleration. Technically acceleration is a measure of how fast the velocity is being changed by the application of force, right? Alain, the distortion they have is from their velocity of travel towards or away from

Re: [Vo]:Drop a clock

2014-02-26 Thread John Berry
First off, it sure seems that Wikipedia and I am sure I have read books that state that according to General Relativity, Time dilation occurs in gravity and inertial acceleration alike since they are equivalent. The gravitational form of time dilation is co-present with an inertial frame. It is

Re: [Vo]:Re: Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Randy Wuller
Well the problem is your understanding is propaganda. It isn't true and it isn't even supported by the facts. The first issue is debt, in total it doesn't exist. Second, the US isn't in debt, its wealth is higher than ever. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:14 PM, Edmund Storms

Re: [Vo]:Drop a clock

2014-02-26 Thread John Berry
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:41 PM, leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote: Berry, I'm fairly certain that is dilation from the velocity copresent with the acceleration. Technically acceleration is a measure of how fast the velocity is being changed by the application of force, right? But that

Re: [Vo]:Drop a clock

2014-02-26 Thread leaking pen
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=237212 On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:49 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:41 PM, leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote: Berry, I'm fairly certain that is dilation from the velocity copresent with the acceleration.

RE: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell You obviously missed the president's speech the other day when he said The time of prosperity is over. When did he say that?!? It sounds out of character. Terry did not say which President

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: I went to the bank and wired money to a company here in the US. The process took over an hour of my time, and the receiver didn't receive the money for serveral hours. That's not good. At Bank of America you can do it on line. If you have the info.

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Cryptographically secure limited number of coins. I don't see any value to this. It causes the value to fluctuate rapidly and unpredictably. Your first statement is incorrect. There is clearly market value in holding a quantity of anything

Re: [Vo]:Drop a clock

2014-02-26 Thread John Berry
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:54 PM, leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=237212 On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:44 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: But reading this thread: http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=237212 There is an

Re: [Vo]:Re: Progress to date

2014-02-26 Thread Axil Axil
The set of mechanisms whereby the magnetic field interacts with the vacuum and the nucleus is many faceted, complex, obscure, uncorrelated and hard to understand. For example, results from the Large Hadron Collider show asymmetries because of magnetic effects: CP violations.

Re: [Vo]:Another attack on the constancy of the speed of light

2014-02-26 Thread H Veeder
The spatial relationships between the discs and clocks is not clear. Can you draw a diagram of the experiment? harry On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:34 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: For brevity, I will explain it in sentence. and the possible results in a few more, But the longer

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-26 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: Some important details: - There's no hard evidence at any point that anyone has lost their bitcoins. ... The details that are coming to light are somewhat different than I had understood them. I now read in the New York Times that Mt. Gox is suspected to have had 744,000

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread James Bowery
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: The whole point of money is to have stable values and as much of the stuff as you need to conduct business. If the value of the dollar or yen doubled one day and dropped by a huge

Re: [Vo]:Another attack on the constancy of the speed of light

2014-02-26 Thread John Berry
Here you go: http://imageshack.com/a/img198/4812/j2s2.png BTW if acceleration doesn't cause time dilation, even though it is a claim of General Relativity that acceleration does this. Then the the second clock would not be time dilated by that means. But the argument would still stand since the

[Vo]:The need for theory

2014-02-26 Thread Axil Axil
The inventor of a brilliant idea cannot tell whether it is right or wrong. The psychologist Daniel Kahneman describes how theories are born: We can't live in a state of perpetual doubt, so we make up the best story possible and we live as if the story were true. A theory that began as a wild guess

[Vo]:My personal brilliant blunder

2014-02-26 Thread Axil Axil
Mario Livio states as follows: In my own life as a scientist, there was one occasion when I felt that a deep secret of nature had been revealed to me. This was my personal brilliant blunder. I remember it with joy, even though my dreams of glory were shattered. It was a blissful experience. It

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Eric Walker
Hi, On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Randy wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote: I have listened as long as I can to this discussion of Bitcoin by a community of those alleged technical people (ie scientists) on a email list devoted to for the most part Cold Fusion/LENR. I know of two or three

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-26 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Security is not unique to Bitcoin; what is unique is that it is anonymous and untraceable. Some people want that, and some such as drug dealers need it, but I have no use for it. Interestingly, bitcoin does not appear