Re: [Vo]:The evolution of good governance

2008-10-02 Thread Nick Palmer
Jones Beene wrote: Although its economy is generally so far to the left as to be called socialist by detractors in the NeoCon movement, due to its entitlements and innate humanism, it is ironically also one of the most free market and capitalist farm economies in the world - less regulated

RE: [Vo]:The evolution of good governance

2008-10-02 Thread Remi Cornwall
Nice, nice? Ad-homs, personalised debate? What's this? Let's beat up Remi day or secret big dick envy? I've got too much work on, grants coming in (both state and private) and several projects on the go to be wrangling with a bunch of looney left slackers. When you work out the bogus

Re: [Vo]:Black Holes from Newtonian Gravity?

2008-10-02 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:41:21 -0400: Hi, [snip] Second, and more to the point, a static gravitational field, whether Newtonian or classical GR, doesn't propagate, it just is. This is *IDENTICAL* to the case of the

Re: [Vo]:The evolution of good governance

2008-10-02 Thread OrionWorks
It's good to know that Mr. Cornwall has informed of the fact that he has important things do. I was beginning to get worried. Jones, it truly astonishes me to realize that such a small country is capable of producing that much output. Puts us (The so-called Bread Basket?) to shame. Regards

Re: [Vo]:The evolution of good governance

2008-10-02 Thread OrionWorks
Terry Sez: We could produce more if needed; but, we already have surpluses and pay farmers not to plant crops. Terry Indeed, this is true. However, with the current greed to produce more ethanol I question whether we will maintain our so-called surpluses for much longer. Besides, I'm sure

[Vo]:This American Life show about economic crisis

2008-10-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
This is kind of off-topic but also on topic. Here is a broadcast and transcript from the radio program This American Life. It explains the subprime mortgage fiasco more clearly than I have seen elsewhere: http://www.thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=355 This resembles the Bird and

Re: [Vo]:The evolution of good governance

2008-10-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks wrote: Jones, it truly astonishes me to realize that such a small country is capable of producing that much output. Puts us (The so-called Bread Basket?) to shame. U.S. agriculture is optimized for high productivity per worker, not high productivity per hectare of land. I do not

Re: [Vo]:This American Life show about economic crisis

2008-10-02 Thread Edmund Storms
We now know how the system failed to work properly. How about applying a little simple logic to a few facts? Application of simple logic to the system a few years ago would have clearly predicted the outcome, which many people successfully did. These are the people who made sure they were

Re: [Vo]:The evolution of good governance

2008-10-02 Thread Terry Blanton
It would appear so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_U.S._Farm_Bill however, there hasn't been a corn subsidy for some time, AFAIK. Renewable subsidies have shifted from grains to celluose and biomass sources. Terry On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry,

Re: [Vo]:This American Life show about economic crisis

2008-10-02 Thread Terry Blanton
And how did this get started? http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260sec=spon=pagewanted=1 http://snipurl.com/40xsd [query_nytimes_com] Anyone know what Franklin Raines is up to these days? g Terry On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Jed Rothwell

Re: [Vo]:The evolution of good governance

2008-10-02 Thread Terry Blanton
It would appear so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_U.S._Farm_Bill however, there hasn't been a corn subsidy for some time, AFAIK. Renewable subsidies have shifted from grains to celluose and biomass sources. Terry On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry,

Re: [Vo]:The evolution of good governance

2008-10-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: however, there hasn't been a corn subsidy for some time, AFAIK. There is a large ethanol subsidy, which amounts to the same thing. This site claims there was a corn subsidy of $13 billion in 2006. It does not have more recent information:

Re: [Vo]:This American Life show about economic crisis

2008-10-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: 6. As a result, stagflation will come again. The Obama administration will look a lot like the Carter administration. It might resemble the New Deal, if things get worse and Obama is decisive. Or the Hoover administration if he is not. The crisis has begun before Obama

Re: [Vo]:The evolution of good governance

2008-10-02 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
OrionWorks wrote: It's good to know that Mr. Cornwall has informed of the fact that he has important things do. I was beginning to get worried. Jones, it truly astonishes me to realize that such a small country is capable of producing that much output. Puts us (The so-called Bread

[Vo]:Stocks back in the hopper, oil in a power dive

2008-10-02 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
The Down is down 315 points so far today, and oil is down to $94.78/bbl (that's oil futures). Apparently the jobless data is causing some panic, as traders realize there may be a recession in the offing (whoa, Nelly, who'd a thought we might have a business downturn?? -- or anyway that seems to

Re: [Vo]:The evolution of good governance

2008-10-02 Thread Terry Blanton
Are wooden shoes considered agriculture? ;-) Terry On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OrionWorks wrote: It's good to know that Mr. Cornwall has informed of the fact that he has important things do. I was beginning to get worried. Jones, it truly

Re: [Vo]:The evolution of good governance

2008-10-02 Thread Terry Blanton
They were. Now they are no longer grain-based subsidies. Terry On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry Blanton wrote: however, there hasn't been a corn subsidy for some time, AFAIK. There is a large ethanol subsidy, which amounts to the same thing.

Re: [Vo]:The evolution of good governance

2008-10-02 Thread OrionWorks
Terry sez: Are wooden shoes considered agriculture? ;-) Terry Only if you lost the bet. BTW, Tulip bulbs ARE edible. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:The evolution of good governance

2008-10-02 Thread Ron Wormus
A good portion of Dutch tulip bulbs are grown in US shipped to Holland for retail sale. Ron --On Thursday, October 02, 2008 2:18 PM -0400 Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OrionWorks wrote: It's good to know that Mr. Cornwall has informed of the fact that he has important

Re: [Vo]:The evolution of good governance

2008-10-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks wrote: BTW, Tulip bulbs ARE edible. During the Tulipmania craze (1637), an investor found the captain of a ship frying up his tulip bulbs for lunch. The bulbs were worth as much as a house. I think that was in Mackay's book Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of

Re: [Vo]:This American Life show about economic crisis

2008-10-02 Thread Edmund Storms
On Oct 2, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: 6. As a result, stagflation will come again. The Obama administration will look a lot like the Carter administration. It might resemble the New Deal, if things get worse and Obama is decisive. Or the Hoover

Re: [Vo]:This American Life show about economic crisis

2008-10-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: You need to remember that Warren Buffett is heavily invested in the financial industry. Consequently, he is going to benefit from the bailout. I have no idea where Buffett has put his money, but I doubt that he has any invested in real estate funds. He has been saying

Re: [Vo]:This American Life show about economic crisis

2008-10-02 Thread Edmund Storms
On Oct 2, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:Edmund Storms wrote:6. As a result, stagflation will come again. The Obama administrationwill look a lot like the Carter administration.It might resemble the New Deal, if things get worse and Obama is decisive. Or the Hoover administration if he is

[Vo]:Fwd: Re: Failure to replicate means failure to replicate

2008-10-02 Thread Steven Krivit
It's been two days and Scott Little has failed to respond to my last message. Very unusual. I sent it again. Perhaps the first message didn't go through. Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:19:58 -0800 To: little-earthtech.org [EMAIL PROTECTED], marissa-earthtech.org [EMAIL PROTECTED],

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Re: Failure to replicate means failure to replicate

2008-10-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steven Krivit wrote: It's been two days and Scott Little has failed to respond to my last message. Very unusual. What can he say? We should bear in mind that Dash and Zhang may not be getting any heat, and Scott could be correct in this case. Just because cold fusion has been widely

[Vo]:Yet another ultra

2008-10-02 Thread Jones Beene
CSIRO is the Aussie RD powerhouse which has developed many interesting energy devices including a modified lead-acid battery they call the UltraBattery - really a Batt-Cap. http://www.csiro.au/news/UltraBattery.html It has already clocked up 100,000 miles in a hybrid vehicle and Japan’s

[Vo]:Fwd: Freedom of Information and Open Science

2008-10-02 Thread Steven Krivit
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:18:24 -0800 To: michael.mckubre-sri.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Steven Krivit [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Freedom of Information and Open Science Steve; you are obviously monitoring this thread through a second agent. I would ask both of you to stop. In the event

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Freedom of Information and Open Science

2008-10-02 Thread leaking pen
and this is cross posted here becuase? On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Steven Krivit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:18:24 -0800 To: michael.mckubre-sri.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Steven Krivit [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Freedom of Information and Open Science