[Vo]:Zitter and ZPE

2009-05-23 Thread Taylor J. Smith
Hi All, 5-23-09 Time, like truth, is subjective; it is a feeling about something. In terms of natural selection, it is to our advantage to be able to predict what is going to happen; and time is a series of events, heart beats or sunrises, that lets us keep track of things. Jack Smith

Re: [Vo]:Zitter and ZPE

2009-05-23 Thread Mauro Lacy
Harry Veeder wrote: You mean the general phenomena of 'motion' rather than velocity. Yes. I've said velocity to be able to write the formula: t=s/v First it comes motion, and after that we can talk about rate of motion(i.e. velocity) and from then on we can talk about time. Incidentally,

Re: [Vo]:Zitter and ZPE

2009-05-23 Thread Mauro Lacy
Taylor J. Smith wrote: Hi All, 5-23-09 Time, like truth, is subjective; it is a feeling about something. In terms of natural selection, it is to our advantage to be able to predict what is going to happen; and time is a series of events, heart beats or sunrises, that lets us keep

[Vo]:Kiplinger comments on FEDERAL SPENDING

2009-05-23 Thread OrionWorks
This would seem to be encouraging news from May 23 2009, The Kiplinger Letter: Excerpt: FEDERAL SPENDING: Gaining prominence in Washington: Science research...even basic science, which doesn't yield quick economic payoff. It's cheering

RE: [Vo]:Zitter and ZPE

2009-05-23 Thread Jones Beene
Mauro, Although I do not completely disagree with anything you say, you still have not made a good case for the assertion that velocity (motion) is more basic, as an underlying measurement standard - or prime-variable, than is time. In every case you site, you are in effect eliminating

[Vo]:GATC and ESP

2009-05-23 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/04/does-dna-have-t.html Does DNA Have Telepathic Properties? DNA has been found to have a bizarre ability to put itself together, even at a distance, when according to known science it shouldn't be able to. Explanation: None, at least not yet.

Re: [Vo]:Zitter and ZPE

2009-05-23 Thread Mauro Lacy
Jones Beene wrote: Mauro, Although I do not completely disagree with anything you say, you still have not made a good case for the assertion that velocity (motion) is more basic, as an underlying measurement standard - or prime-variable, than is time. In every case you site, you are in

Re: [Vo]:Zitter and ZPE

2009-05-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Mauro Lacy ma...@lacy.com.ar wrote: The furthest implications are that you have no right in physics, epistemologically speaking, to talk about relative time scales, or which is the same, time dimensions. I believe your argument would be negated by successful

Re: [Vo]:GATC and ESP

2009-05-23 Thread leaking pen
Umm, if we are talking nanometer distances... water is, due to naturally h+ and oh - dissasociation, going to have pockets of charge. mighten they not be moving towards each other, but towards the same patch of water? On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Zitter and ZPE

2009-05-23 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Mauro Lacy ma...@lacy.com.ar mounted the barricade and roared out: The problem with so called time dimensions, is that they lack underlying physical reality. Time does not exist as such, at the physical level; that is,

RE: [Vo]:Zitter and ZPE

2009-05-23 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
This discussion is somewhat re-discovering or describing Dewey B. Larson's Reciprocal System of physics, a unified theory: http://rstheory.org/video/rs-101 A motion or space/time unit is the fundamental particle of the universe, and exists in 3D. Note it is not a unit moving around in space

Re: [Vo]:Zitter and ZPE

2009-05-23 Thread Mauro Lacy
Terry Blanton wrote: On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Mauro Lacy ma...@lacy.com.ar wrote: The furthest implications are that you have no right in physics, epistemologically speaking, to talk about relative time scales, or which is the same, time dimensions. I believe your

Re: [Vo]:Zitter and ZPE

2009-05-23 Thread Mauro Lacy
Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote: This discussion is somewhat re-discovering or describing Dewey B. Larson's Reciprocal System of physics, a unified theory: http://rstheory.org/video/rs-101 A motion or space/time unit is the fundamental particle of the universe, and exists in 3D. A motion

Re: [Vo]:Zitter and ZPE

2009-05-23 Thread Horace Heffner
On May 23, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Mauro Lacy ma...@lacy.com.ar wrote: The furthest implications are that you have no right in physics, epistemologically speaking, to talk about relative time scales, or which is the same, time dimensions.

Re: [Vo]:Zitter and ZPE

2009-05-23 Thread Terry Blanton
What I find most interesting is that it is funded by people who know no physics but want to physically know. Terry On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: On May 23, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Mauro Lacy

Re: [Vo]:GATC and ESP

2009-05-23 Thread mixent
In reply to leaking pen's message of Sat, 23 May 2009 10:15:40 -0700: Hi, I think you are almost on the right track. There was recently a demonstration of how water molecules could align with one another to a depth of hundreds of thousands of molecules away from a surface. In so doing they form

Re: [Vo]:Zitter and ZPE

2009-05-23 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 22 May 2009 17:37:22 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] Which comes first - the chicken or the egg? The egg came first. It was laid by a non-chicken who was so dumb that it didn't even realize that what came out of the egg was a different species, and looked after

Re: [Vo]:GATC and ESP

2009-05-23 Thread leaking pen
Exactly. the more i think of it, the more i wonder also... a lot of dna movement in liquids , the charge and polarity, is based on the final few bps on each end. I wonder if same bp ends but different strands would end up together... that or size in general. you know, the same thing that