On Sep 9, 2009, at 7:07 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
An unfolding story- and elegant and convincing demo (of something) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T0d7o8X2-E
Rotatable Michelson-Morley Interferometer experiment.
Possible implications:
1) An optical gravitometer?
2) the mirrors
2009/9/10 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com:
At 03:45 PM 9/9/2009, you [Jed] wrote:
Ah. CR-39 is opaque. You mean looking around it, from another angle.
No. There are different kinds of CR-39. It's true, I've never seen a CR-39
chip as used in this field, personally,
See in top
Additional thought, the protective film itself could also be made of
CR-39 (which could be of the same batch, milled down to a few microns
thickness), this would guarantee that the cathode lies on exactly the
same substrate as in a non-PACA experiment.
Michel
2009/9/10 Michel Jullian
2009/9/10 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com:
At 09:56 AM 9/9/2009, Michel Jullian wrote:
I also recall an old SPAWAR codeposition experiment claiming to
produce tritium, which they mentioned in a recent review of their
work. If that was not bogus, tritium being very easy to detect
2009/9/9 Harbach Jak ja.harc...@hotmail.com:
...
Its been fun Vortex! I have spoken my peace(for NOW-HA!) I'll be taking
my leave of your great site. And yes life has made me somewhat course and a
bit brutally direct-but a thicker skin would be good for some of you whom I
since may have
I couldn't agree more, this is well illustrated IMHO in Earthtech's
CR-39 experiments, where thanks to this variational method they
showed that the SPAWAR pits could be obtained in a shorter time (3
days instead of 3 weeks), or with cheaper plating metals (Cu or Ni
instead of Pd), or without
One other post-script. Some people think that Fleischmann is
misinformed about the J-M material, and it could not be their
standard filter palladium, because that has too much silver in it to
work well. Silver does prevent loading, but on the other hand, the
people at BARC did report a
From Horace
I think the most likely explanation is that the beam splitter sags
multiple wavelengths
when the device is at the critical angle shown, i.e. when the beam
splitter is horizontal.
This explains maximum interference at the 180 degree opposed points, and
no interference
when the
Steven,
Isn't it going to be difficult to identify whether the change is introduced by
mechanical motion due to the variation in field strength or the effect on the
photon from the same variation?
Fran
-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Francis:
Steven,
Isn't it going to be difficult to identify whether the change is introduced by
mechanical motion due to the variation in field strength or the effect on the
photon from the same variation?
In my original comments I was concerned about certain questions you bring up.
I
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca wrote:
Please elabourate.
What differences do you expect?
Instead of rotating the device I would like to see the results if it
were pointed in fixed directions relative to the ISS as it orbited the
earth.
Terry
At 08:01 AM 9/10/2009, you wrote:
Additional thought, the protective film itself could also be made of
CR-39 (which could be of the same batch, milled down to a few microns
thickness), this would guarantee that the cathode lies on exactly the
same substrate as in a non-PACA experiment.
Is it
At 08:25 AM 9/10/2009, Michel Jullian wrote:
The tritium producing SPAWAR experiment I was talking
about was discussed here in January:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg29943.html
and in the ensuing discussion, where Horace was already writing (in msg 29965)
However, it
At 08:47 AM 9/10/2009, you wrote:
I couldn't agree more, this is well illustrated IMHO in Earthtech's
CR-39 experiments, where thanks to this variational method they
showed that the SPAWAR pits could be obtained in a shorter time (3
days instead of 3 weeks), or with cheaper plating metals (Cu or
But Terry, if not geosynchronous aren't you effectively rotating it, albeit
slowly?
Fran
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:18 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Michelson-Morley Interferometer experiment
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
And how we do it, I suggest, is through joining
coldfusionproj...@yahoogroups.com . . .
This does not appear to work.
- Jed
At 04:22 AM 9/10/2009, you wrote:
2009/9/10 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com:
At 03:45 PM 9/9/2009, you [Jed] wrote:
Ah. CR-39 is opaque. You mean looking around it, from another angle.
No. There are different kinds of CR-39. It's true, I've never seen a CR-39
chip as used in this
Little belated here -- didn't notice this initially.
Horace Heffner wrote:
On Aug 9, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote:
I still find the motor interesting, because everyone wrote it off as
a thermal thing. This seems, as you suspect, to be magnetic, albeit
in a different way than
- Original Message -
From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009 4:48 am
Again, I say watch the videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2XBPzxXtJk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cllaQFkxQQ
The effect of the current is to slow down the
- Original Message -
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:53 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Michelson-Morley Interferometer experiment finally
done correctly?
I was speculating that my second suggestion might help deal that
question,
The device looks flimsy: Centrifugal momentum at the bottom of the gravity
trough 'pendulum' swing is going to amplify enough 'g's to simply torque the
componants of the apparatus. To negate this the apparatus would have to be
concrete imbedded bolt-anchored to the floor the entire structure
I would think that running the device with the axis tilted 45 deg. off center
to the left, and then to the 45 deg. off center to the right, would allow for
normalizing out the effects of mechanical shifting or warping. This is a simple
problem to resolve. I am planning on building a small, very
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
It's true, I've never seen a CR-39 chip as used in this field,
personally, but CR-39, as a material, can be very clear, optically
clear, it's used for lenses, after all . . .
Pretty sure the samples Pam Boss showed me were beige.
Cold fusion heat appears in small
Something else worth trying, an experiment that shouldn't be too expensive
to assemble would be to spin the apparatus while it is set in it's
horizontal position. IOW, turn the apparatus into a spinning centrifuge.
Make sure it's carefully counter balanced, then spin up the RPMs to
something
Jack O Suileabhain wrote:
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10pt; font-family:Verdana } The device looks flimsy: Centrifugal
momentum at the bottom of the gravity trough 'pendulum' swing is
going to amplify enough 'g's to simply torque the componants of
China is considering a ban on export of many rare-earth metals, and
curtailment of sales of others. This may mark the end of the era of cheap
plentiful neodymium magnets.
On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Gibson Elliot wrote:
I would think that running the device with the axis tilted 45 deg.
off center to the left, and then to the 45 deg. off center to the
right, would allow for normalizing out the effects of mechanical
shifting or warping.
Not true. Any
On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:58 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Something else worth trying, an experiment that shouldn't be too
expensive to assemble would be to spin the apparatus while it is
set in it's horizontal position. IOW, turn the apparatus into a
spinning centrifuge. Make
On Sep 10, 2009, at 8:48 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:
What one needs is a sag-o-meter.
At my age the invention of a sag-o-meter is less than comforting. 8^)
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
China is considering a ban on export of many rare-earth metals, and
curtailment of sales of others. This may mark the end of the era of cheap
plentiful neodymium magnets.
If they can make enough Orbos before the stuff runs out, it can
then be extracted from seawater in any quantity.
I uploaded a new version of this document:
EPRI. NSF/EPRI Workshop on Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Metals.
1989. Washington, D.C.: Electric Power Research Institute.
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/EPRInsfepriwor.pdf
I improved the file in several ways:
* Remove images of binding from left
On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:20 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
A generator which powers its own field windings won't self start,
right? You can spin it until you're blue in the face but nothing
will
happen, unless you apply some external power to it to energize the
field
windings and get it
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/coldfusionproject/
is the URL.
Terry
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
And how we do it, I suggest, is through joining
coldfusionproj...@yahoogroups.com . . .
This does not appear to
Horace Heffner wrote:
On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:20 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
A generator which powers its own field windings won't self start,
right? You can spin it until you're blue in the face but nothing
will happen, unless you apply some external power to it to energize
the field
OH -- I see the problem.
The homopolar motor must be spun backwards to generate electricity.
This thing hasn't got a backwards. That's the point, right?
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:20 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
A generator which powers its
There are projections of serious shortages of rare earth metals by 2017. This
may be an opportunity to turn some serious coin, dudes!
Avarf.pk may be the first (external to China) rare earth mine to achieve
production anytime soon.
Terry Blanton wrote:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/coldfusionproject/
is the URL.
I meant the sign up message bounces. Looking at it closely, that
could be because it says grous instead of groups:
coldfusionproject-subscr...@yahoogrous.com
Hey, that's what the man said . . .
- Jed
Yet again replying to my own post...
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
OH -- I see the problem.
The homopolar motor must be spun backwards to generate electricity.
This thing hasn't got a backwards. That's the point, right?
If it's functioning as a homopolar motor, then spinning it faster
forward
Yes, but without the possibility of dynamic distortion of the apparatus.
Terry
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Roarty, Francis X
francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote:
But Terry, if not geosynchronous aren't you effectively rotating it, albeit
slowly?
Fran
-Original Message-
From:
You can join from the URL site.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Terry Blanton wrote:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/coldfusionproject/
is the URL.
I meant the sign up message bounces. Looking at it closely, that could be
because it says grous
Blue box on the right says Join this group.
Terry
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
You can join from the URL site.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Terry Blanton wrote:
I still find the sagging beam splitter explanation inconsistent with
what is observed.
As the beam splitter rotates into and out of the vertical
orientation this is when the supposed sagging is nil so the pattern's
movement should change direction during this interval. When the beam
splitter is
If the warpage is on one of the mirrors instead of the frame, the max
occurs when the mirror is perpendicular to the axis of rotation, +/-
45 degrees to the horizontal.
Or not.
Terry
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca wrote:
I still find the sagging beam splitter
Jones Beene wrote:
*An unfolding story- and e**legant and convincing demo** (of
something)** :*
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T0d7o8X2-E*
*Rotatable** Michelson-Morley Interferometer experiment.** *
*P*ossible implications:* *
1) An optical gravitometer?
2) the mirrors
On Sep 10, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
I still find the sagging beam splitter explanation inconsistent with
what is observed.
As the beam splitter rotates into and out of the vertical
orientation this is when the supposed sagging is nil so the pattern's
movement should change
I am sad to report that long term member of vortex-l, Fred Sparber,
died yesterday morning, September, 9, 2009. Fred was a prolific
contributor to this list, and his many contributions taught me much
physics, and continually sparked the list with creativity. His
fertile mind produced an
Mauro Lacy wrote:
By the way, I have a question for you, in the form of a zen koan: We
know the sound of two hands clapping, but what is the sound of one
hand clapping? We can reformulate it for the ocassion as: We know
the interference pattern produced by two streams of light, but what
At 10:47 AM 9/10/2009, you wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
And how we do it, I suggest, is through joining
coldfusionproj...@yahoogroups.com . . .
This does not appear to work.
No, it works. You are now subscribed, Jed. The problem is that to
prevent spammers from joining and harvesting
- Original Message -
From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Michelson-Morley Interferometer experiment finally
done correctly?
On Sep 10, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
I still find the sagging beam
At 03:39 PM 9/10/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Terry Blanton wrote:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/coldfusionproject/
is the URL.
I meant the sign up message bounces. Looking at it closely, that
could be because it says grous instead of groups:
coldfusionproject-subscr...@yahoogrous.com
At 06:25 PM 9/10/2009, you wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Put it this way: If an amateur could do a cold fusion experiment
in his spare time, and produce a meaningful or even persuasive
result, that would be a remarkably easy experiment. . . .
Well, then, we know where we can sell the
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