FW: [Vo]:NASA: David Adair\\\'s \\\'Quasi-Fusion:\\\' ?Cold, Warm, Hot?

2010-05-12 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Frank Point taken: Other than bone-jarringly poor editing(stream of consciousness nearly 'autistic' focus of mine), the basic premise is that the classic atomic model(s) need revision. And the revision lends (I believe) a profoundly altered (and I see as 'accurate') perspective on chemical

Re: [Vo]:Sun In a Bottle

2010-05-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:20 PM 5/11/2010, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: I have just finished reading ‘Sun in a Bottle’ by Charles Seife. He was not very kind to the hot fusion people, the cold fusion people, or the sonafusion people. I would say that he has no imagination and needs to read my work. It's an

RE: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:38 PM 5/10/2010, Jed Rothwell wrote: Jones Beene wrote: Can you cite the reference for this kind of bursting tube, due to internal pressurization, having being actually performed? See McKubre's replication of the Arata experiment. I didn't see mention of it there. Regarding the

RE: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Roarty, Francis X
ON Wed, 12 May 2010 07:49 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said [quote] Meanwhile, I'm generally interested in this phenomenon of high pressure build-up within a hollow palladium tube, caused by electrolytic loading. That loading must create a barrier that the deuterium cannot cross, and while the barrier

RE: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:20 PM 5/12/2010, Roarty, Francis X wrote: Obviously Pd creates a barrier that “d2” cannot cross, The controversy is over how the pressure is created. No. This pressure is created by both hydrogen and deuterium. The high pressure mentioned is created by electrolysis with hydrogen or

RE: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: No. This pressure is created by both hydrogen and deuterium. The high pressure mentioned is created by electrolysis with hydrogen or deuterium generated at the surface of a hollow palladium rod. What experiment does this reference? Arata's double-structured

RE: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Roarty, Francis X
On Wed, 12 May 2010 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said I think so. There are cavities involved, likely. However, they are not supplying any energy, apparently, rather they *configure* the reacting ingredient or ingredients. We know that the reaction rate increases with temperature. I suspect that the

RE: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: We know that the reaction rate increases with temperature. I suspect that the energy required -- there must be energy required, but energy is not the only ingredient -- is generally supplied by ordinary heat. I assume this reaction refers to heating from the

RE: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax Shanahan's cigarette-lighter explanation does not factor for the lack of excess heat when doing this with hydrogen. Well, at the risk of defending a repulsive argument, many experiments do show excess heat with hydrogen, including some of

RE: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:06 PM 5/12/2010, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: No. This pressure is created by both hydrogen and deuterium. The high pressure mentioned is created by electrolysis with hydrogen or deuterium generated at the surface of a hollow palladium rod. What experiment does this

RE: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:06 PM 5/12/2010, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: No. This pressure is created by both hydrogen and deuterium. The high pressure mentioned is created by electrolysis with hydrogen or deuterium generated at the surface of a hollow palladium rod. What experiment does this

RE: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: Shanahan's cigarette-lighter explanation does not factor for the lack of excess heat when doing this with hydrogen. Well, at the risk of defending a repulsive argument, many experiments do show excess heat with hydrogen, including some of the Arata experiments. Which

RE: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:33 PM 5/12/2010, Roarty, Francis X wrote: On Wed, 12 May 2010 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said I think so. There are cavities involved, likely. However, they are not supplying any energy, apparently, rather they *configure* the reacting ingredient or ingredients. We know that the reaction rate

RE: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Extremely high pressure is achieved by electrolysis at the surface of an electrode, in a microscopic domain. According to some sources it is 10E47 atmospheres (Mizuno, p. 101). And what does this mean? Oops, that was described as a misinterpretation. The correct

RE: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:40 PM 5/12/2010, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: We know that the reaction rate increases with temperature. I suspect that the energy required -- there must be energy required, but energy is not the only ingredient -- is generally supplied by ordinary heat. I assume

RE: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:50 PM 5/12/2010, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax Shanahan's cigarette-lighter explanation does not factor for the lack of excess heat when doing this with hydrogen. Well, at the risk of defending a repulsive argument, many experiments do show

RE: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:40 PM 5/12/2010, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: We know that the reaction rate increases with temperature. I suspect that the energy required -- there must be energy required, but energy is not the only ingredient -- is generally supplied by ordinary heat. I assume

RE: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: A stoichiometric mixture of hydrogen and oxygen gas at room temperature the mixture is stable, the gases do not combine. However, given an ignition source, the mixture will rapidly combine (if it's dense enough). It explodes. As I said, with ordinary palladium

RE: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax Thus, like most evaporations, the escape of deuterium from the lattice must cool it. No. The inversion temperature of hydrogen is low, and there is no cooling on expansion from the Joule-Thomson effect - as with an ideal gas. In fact it

RE: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax Shanahan's cigarette-lighter explanation does not factor for the lack of excess heat when doing this with hydrogen. Well, at the risk of defending a repulsive argument, many experiments do show excess heat with hydrogen, including some of

RE: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr
I electrolyzed a 1 oz. palladium wafer in D2O and it sure looked as if it made its own cavities -- it puffed up like a pillow with bubble like protrusions and it seemed it was hollow inside. -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 12,

Re: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Hoyt A. Stearns Jr wrote: I electrolyzed a 1 oz. palladium wafer in D2O and it sure looked as if it made its own cavities -- it puffed up like a pillow with bubble like protrusions and it seemed it was hollow inside. Yes, that often happens, but Pd that does that will never produce the

RE: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:29 PM 5/12/2010, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax Thus, like most evaporations, the escape of deuterium from the lattice must cool it. No. The inversion temperature of hydrogen is low, and there is no cooling on expansion from the Joule-Thomson

RE: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:04 PM 5/12/2010, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr wrote: I electrolyzed a 1 oz. palladium wafer in D2O and it sure looked as if it made its own cavities -- it puffed up like a pillow with bubble like protrusions and it seemed it was hollow inside. My condolences.

RE: [Vo]:Shanahan is proposing the cigarette lighter hypothesis

2010-05-12 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax Yes, I understood that. The heat, though, doesn't come from expansion of hydrogen. Wrong. Some of the heat does come from expansion of hydrogen. Of course much more comes from combustion. When air initially at a moderate temperature is

[Vo]:Made it into Peek Oil Magazine

2010-05-12 Thread FZNIDARSIC
_http://eclipsenow.org/2010/05/11/alienscientist-interview-with-frank-znidar sic-part-1-of-2/_ (http://eclipsenow.org/2010/05/11/alienscientist-interview-with-frank-znidarsic-part-1-of-2/) Frank Znidarsic