Re: [Vo]: Experimental Results with Nickel and Sodium Carbonate

[Eric Walker]

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:

In an AC situation, there would be alternate production of hydrogen and
> oxygen at the same electrode. So one would expect a level of recombination,
> which could, I'd think, easily produce a glow.
>

Tangential question -- has anyone looked at what the optimal AC frequency
would be for loading and unloading deuterium in palladium if the aim is to
generate a substantial flux back and forth through the surface layer?  It
occurred to me that if the frequency far outpaced the rate of loading, the
resulting flux might end up being relatively small.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

[Peter Gluck]

The Internet also say so- see for example:
https://www.technologyreview.com/emtech/12/

received this morning, one suggestion from many that technological progress
COULD contribute to
the solving of Humanity's great problems.
I am just working on a blog publication about
effectiveness and efficiency- in two parts- 1- about the dark side of these
concepts and 2- about efficiency of/in cold fusion/LENR research.
Only commercial LENR could contribute to
problem solving- something much better than combustion, fission, wind and
solar energy -and
the efforts/results ratio was very small till now.
LENR per se is wicked problem.

Peter

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:02 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson <
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > I have the experience of 45 years of Communism and now 22 years of
> > nascent capitalism. The Kaltwasser Doctrine (see on my blog) applies to
> > both but Capitalism is definitelly better.if you like work,education and
> > have good inititiatives. I have learned that it is an immense difference
> > between social theories and social practice so
> > I am more than skepticalregarding redistribution.
> > It can be imagined a complex, slow, developing system for diminishing
> > the Gini coefficients of a state but the resistance will be fierce.
> > The social problems are very wicked everywhere.
>
> Peter,
>
> You have accumulated far more first-hand experience than I have
> assembled within my 60 years of life. I am not in a position to
> challenge what you had to endure either, nor do I want to. I'm glad
> you survived in order to tell us all what you experienced.
>
> Perhaps I error on this point but I will assume that some Vorts may
> have come to the conclusion that I must be some kind of a communist at
> heart. Jojo certainly seems to have labeled me as such, along with a
> few other derogatory terms. But no matter. FWIW, I continue perceive
> myself as a capitalist at heart. In my view, those who work harder,
> those who continue to innovate and bring improvements into the
> everyday lives of others should be rewarded. I suspect capitalism,
> flawed it may be, is probably better at compensating such individuals
> than any other system. It's imperative that Incentives and rewards be
> in place.
>
> However...
>
> It's my suspicion that with ensuing advancements of technology,
> automation and robotics, traditional capitalism as it is currently
> practiced will have to evolve... perhaps radically. I personally
> suspect that capitalism will eventually have to incorporate a number
> of socialistic concepts into its fundamental core, particularly things
> like universal health care. Capitalism, in turn, will have to improve
> on many of these socialistic "rights". I think most capitalistic
> societies will eventually come around to a realization that what used
> to be considered privileged "benefits" that only the rich and well off
> could afford should be perceived as universal rights that are to be
> bestowed on all of its citizens. Such benefits would include
> unemployment compensation that, if warranted, simultaneously
> incorporates "free" job re-training. Eventually, free advanced
> eduction should become another inevitable universal right as well.
> However, I think such benefits will only be possible through the
> continued advances of technology, automation and robotics.
>
> Regards
> Steven Vincent Johnson
> www.OrionWorks.com
> www.zazzle.com/orionworks
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]: Experimental Results with Nickel and Sodium Carbonate

[Abd ul-Rahman Lomax]

At 09:04 PM 10/4/2012, Chuck Sites wrote:
Wow,  what a great batch of articles.  The borax article 
in  www,sparkbangbuzz.com just blew my 
mind.  I did notice the weird electrical capacitance, but I 
dismissed that as a Battery effect of electrolysis, the positive ion 
build up on the nickel and the negative ion build up on the 
electrode.  This article opens up a whole new can of worms; 
especially the glow with Aluminum under 110VAC with borax.   I was 
running at a very low voltage AC, 18Volts, and when I turned of the 
lights I thought I could see a very faint glow, but I could never 
get it dark enough to really see and verify it.


One of the big questions at the time; 1989 was where is the 
Cherenkov radiation? 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation). 
It was an important question for cold fusion since a surface 
reaction should generate energetic particles, that should generate 
photons in the D2 solution. We are talking about very low 
probability of fusion, so the Intensity of that radiation (if that 
is what it is), would be very small.  But it should be there in a 
surface effect.  That would be really interesting to try.


What is also really bizarre is the RF noise from the process.  I 
mean WEIRD!  That actually might be an secondary effect like 
Cherenkov radiation where effects molecular quantum 
states.   Someone put a Geiger counter on that dude.


mmm I've seen a general understanding that if an oxygen bubble 
hits a cathode loaded with hydrogen, the catalyst will cause 
immediate recombination. Pieces of loaded palladium that break off of 
cathodes and float will burn at the surface, when they hit the air. 
Miles describes this effect.


In an AC situation, there would be alternate production of hydrogen 
and oxygen at the same electrode. So one would expect a level of 
recombination, which could, I'd think, easily produce a glow.


The RF shown on sparkbangbuzz -- 
http://www.sparkbangbuzz.com/els/borax-el.htm 
-- is not difficult to explain. This was with an electrode withdrawn 
from the electrolyte to have only a very small surface immersed, or 
even just in minimal contact with the surface. Bubble noise and high 
current density vaporizing electrolyte, possibly igniting small 
explosions, would reasonably create substantial RF noise under those 
circumstances.

[Vo]:Reprodicity in rotating vector induced emf signal.

[Harvey Norris]

We now count 19 of these extra revolutions per second, looks like we missed the 
goal of 23, but we did revise the count from 25 to 24 cycles in that low freq 
beam sweep that detects this underlying lower frequency as a primary driver 
during loaded state. The behavior of the components are very near a 100% power 
factor, where the apparent power will equal the real power. I will do a video 
on this where we should bring in a third secondary so that all three phases 
have inductors covering one of their polar magnetic field exits. Of immediate 
demand is the scoping of the secondaries themselves to see if they are also 
recieving their power in this very cyclic manner. Comments about the AM -FM 
dichotomy are welcome here as I have little actual radio knowledge. It would 
appear that the unloaded process works as a frequency modulation, and the 
loaded one here as an amplitude modulation. The power transfer advocates of 
Tesla's invention are always baffled when
 asked how to interface a high frequency operational tesla coil with the 
relatively low frequency 10 hz earth resonant one. It seems obvious that we 
should be able to have TWO stations that could heterodyne together to produce 
an interference pattern at 10 hz. The key here is that with a variably timed 
dual 3 phase generation, where one side can be set at any phase angle with 
regard to the other, this may solve the problem of producing a 10 hz modulated 
signal to play with. Here a 19 hz signal from the 666 machine interior pole is 
procurred from 465 hz by having the lenz law component of mutual inductance at 
1/6 cycle advance timing, producing the same effect as a superimposed 484 
signal due to self induction with adjacent phasings.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/harvich/8058069195/
Effect of extra rotating voltage vector shown during effective power transfer 
from primary to secondary whose turn ratios are 22/1, but have corresponding 
resistances of 140/1.5 = 93.3 /1 The actual amperage deliveries are made at 3/1 
reduction on ph 2 and 4/1 on ph 3. Apparent power equals I^2R loss of 
components for ph 2.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/harvich/8058151418/
Fuller screen sweep of amplitude modulation suggests 24 cycles for repro dicity 
of heterodyned signal

Sincerely HDN
Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances 
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/

RE: [Vo]:A new economic paradigm is available now

[Mark Goldes]

The late Louis Kelso, inventor of the Employee Stock Ownership Plan (ESOP) now 
used by 11,000 companies, later invented what he called The Second Income Plan.

Independent of savings, it would provide almost everyone a substantial income 
from investments.

See Second Incomes at www.aesopinstitute.org for the latest version. Kelso saw 
automation coming decades ago and created a framework for the necessary 
transition economics. 

Robert Ashford and Rodney Shakespeare have published Binary Economics: The New 
Paradigm. Published by University Press of America that book expands the 
concept .

If Second Incomes gain political traction they can provide a missing path to 
abundance. 

In my opinion the impact would be huge.

And it might provide a better atmosphere for urgently needed energy innovations.

Mark

Mark Goldes
Co-founder, Chava Energy
CEO Aesop Institute

www.chavaenergy.com
www.aesopinstitute.org

707 280-8210
707 497-3551 fax

From: Jed Rothwell [jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 3:29 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 
years

OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson 
mailto:svj.orionwo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

LITT argues from the premise that surviving companies that
continue to take advantage of automation and robotics may need to be
taxed with something akin to a re-employment tax. Monies collected
would be used to either pay the salaries of new kinds of jobs, jobs
that have not yet manifested in today's society - or perhaps to fund
the technical & cultural education of displaced workers. Some might
cry "foul", that this smells of "socialism". But what of it?


As Deng Xiaoping put it: black cat or white cat, who cares, as long as it 
catches mice.

This LITT system would be a hybrid of today's capitalism and the fully 
automated, no-economic-system needed distant future. It would be an 
intermediate system. Our present economic system is also a way station along 
the road to full automation. If we were to suddenly put it back to what it was 
before the New Deal, I think it would be catastrophic. On the other hand, if we 
tried to convert to full-on LITT-type system today, that would be a disaster.

We are not capable of anything like the fully automated version in which all of 
the necessity of life are handed out for free. That will take 100 years. Maybe 
200 years.

We need to adjust the system step by step to deal with circumstances as they 
evolve. The right system for 1890 did not work in 1930, and the 1930 version 
did not work in 1990.

Since I the proverbial man who has only a hammer, I see all problems as a nail. 
From my point of view this is mostly about technology. There is no morally 
right or morally wrong economic system. There is only a system that works well 
the machinery of life we had back in 1890 (horses, coal, mostly manual labor, 
30% of workforce in agriculture), and another system that works well with the 
technology we have now.

The direction of technology is perfectly clear to me. The ultimate goal is to 
eliminate human labor and make every good end every service available in 
unlimited quantities, subject only to demand, and to practical limitations such 
as the fact that we don't want the entire surface of the Earth covered by black 
and white televisions. * Our present limitations in material resources and 
energy are not caused by actual, physical limits or scarce resources. They are 
caused by ignorance. Ignorance, stupidity and greed. We talk about an "energy 
crisis" when the sun produces enough energy to supply every person with roughly 
4,000 times more energy than the entire human race now consumes.

- Jed


* In the late 1940s, my mother pointed out the absurdity of straight line 
social science projections by calculating that the world will soon be knee deep 
in black and white televisions "if present trends continue." Present trends 
never continue to extremes. Not in society. Sometimes, natural trends do, 
resulting in things like supernova explosions.

Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years

[Jed Rothwell]

OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson  wrote:


> LITT argues from the premise that surviving companies that
> continue to take advantage of automation and robotics may need to be
> taxed with something akin to a re-employment tax. Monies collected
> would be used to either pay the salaries of new kinds of jobs, jobs
> that have not yet manifested in today's society - or perhaps to fund
> the technical & cultural education of displaced workers. Some might
> cry "foul", that this smells of "socialism". But what of it?
>


As Deng Xiaoping put it: black cat or white cat, who cares, as long as it
catches mice.

This LITT system would be a hybrid of today's capitalism and the fully
automated, no-economic-system needed distant future. It would be an
intermediate system. Our present economic system is also a way station
along the road to full automation. If we were to suddenly put it back to
what it was before the New Deal, I think it would be catastrophic. On the
other hand, if we tried to convert to full-on LITT-type system today, that
would be a disaster.

We are not capable of anything like the fully automated version in which
all of the necessity of life are handed out for free. That will take 100
years. Maybe 200 years.

We need to adjust the system step by step to deal with circumstances as
they evolve. The right system for 1890 did not work in 1930, and the 1930
version did not work in 1990.

Since I the proverbial man who has only a hammer, I see all problems as a
nail. From my point of view this is mostly about technology. There is no
morally right or morally wrong economic system. There is only a system that
works well the machinery of life we had back in 1890 (horses, coal, mostly
manual labor, 30% of workforce in agriculture), and another system that
works well with the technology we have now.

The direction of technology is perfectly clear to me. The ultimate goal is
to eliminate human labor and make every good end every service available in
unlimited quantities, subject only to demand, and to practical limitations
such as the fact that we don't want the entire surface of the Earth covered
by black and white televisions. * Our present limitations in material
resources and energy are not caused by actual, physical limits or scarce
resources. They are caused by ignorance. Ignorance, stupidity and greed. We
talk about an "energy crisis" when the sun produces enough energy to supply
every person with roughly 4,000 times more energy than the entire human
race now consumes.

- Jed


* In the late 1940s, my mother pointed out the absurdity of straight line
social science projections by calculating that the world will soon be knee
deep in black and white televisions "if present trends continue." Present
trends never continue to extremes. Not in society. Sometimes, natural
trends do, resulting in things like supernova explosions.

Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years

[Jouni Valkonen]

Jed pointed out the economic problem that we are facing. But I think that
it is more about semantics than the real problem. If we just change our
language, then we can do correct economic policy, because this new-speak
will inherently force us to think in terms what we do really want for the
economy.

(My reference to Orwell was intended  although not in dystopic sense, but
to underline the power of semantics at current political discourse.)

On 5 October 2012 23:02, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson <
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I continue perceive myself as a capitalist at heart.


I think that the main problem here is that terms to describe modern society
are outdated and they are mostly meaningless.

It is just mistake to think society in terms of socialism and capitalism,
because both of them are outdated and they do not have had any relevance
for the past 30 years. Just have a glance towards modern communist China
and see that the divide between socialism and capitalism is silly. And also
China is good example, that high corporate taxes seem not to restrain the
economic growth, contrarily to some economic theories.

Other even more more remarkable contradiction is that Denmark is classified
as the most socialistic country in Europe due to highest tax rate in the
world, but at the same time it is also the most capitalistic country
because market economy is mostly unregulated there. One country cannot be
at the same time the most socialistic and the most capitalistic country,
because there is a logical inconsistency.

Therefore it would be better to redefine term capitalism as an opposite to
consumer demand led economy or pure market economy. Market economy on the
other hand would mean that capital is distributed mostly for the 99% of
people as purchasing power.

This is quite useful distinction because it would clarify the discussion.
If some country would be purely capitalistic, then it would mean that
almost all of the wealth would be in the hands of bankers and
venture capitalists and most importantly in the hands of those who own the
means of production. And rest of the people, who do not own the means of
production, would live in ricardian subsistence level income just like
workers live and work at Foxconn's factory while manufacturing iPad's. In
ricardian capitalistic economy, workers would not be consumers, but they
would in effect be the property of the owners of the factory, although they
are not technically slaves, because they can always jump from the roof and
hence not to do work like it is too common practice at Foxconn's factory.

This classical ricardian definition for pure capitalism would be most
clear.

The opposite for ricardian capitalism is however consumer demand led market
economy, where commodity prices are based on the law of supply and demand.
When we have pure market economy, there is hardly any capital available for
investments, but entrepreneurs are forced to gain their cash for expansion
solely from the sales of goods that they are manufacturing.

It goes without saying that both are bad choices in pure form. Pure
ricardian capitalism will suffocate the law of supply and demand because
all the capital is invested to increase the supply of goods, but as there
is no demand for goods, capitalists do not know what they should produce.
Hence the housing bubble in Australia and elsewhere, where consumer demand
was too weak to direct the investments reliably.

And pure demand led market economy is also problematic, because if all the
capital is in the hands of consumers, there is not enough capital available
to be invested into means of production. And different crowdfunding schemes
are ineffective and difficult to direct.

But those two contradictory economic forces are not meant to be in
existence alone in pure form, but we must find proper level that balances
them and gives the best of both contradictory worlds.The whole is
infinitely greater than the sum of it's parts.

And as Jed pointed out. Robotized manufacturing and especially near future
additive manufacturing will have huge effect what is the natural balance
between the consumer demand and availability of capital. Because wages are
inefficient to distribute the wealth, there must be highly progressive
taxation that redistributes the wealth more evenly, because natural state
of the economy is drifting towards ricardian capitalism.

–Jouni

PS. I just started to read Chris Anderson's new book: Makers: The new
Industrial 
Revolution.
I cannot say yet that it is good, but it looks interesting.

Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years

[OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson]

>From Jed:

...

> Human labor is now losing value. Robots and intelligent computers are
> replacing human workers in many fields, including ones that people
> previously thought could never be done by machines. Within 20 to 100 years,
> human labor will be worthless.
>

As you have previously suggested, reading Lights in the Tunnel is
definitely worth it.

http://www.thelightsinthetunnel.com/

I suspect Jed's recent commentary is more in the future than the ones
I'm about to suggest:

There is considerable debate concerning how we will go about
re-employing those displaced by the inevitable march of innovation and
automation. LITT argues from the premise that surviving companies that
continue to take advantage of automation and robotics may need to be
taxed with something akin to a re-employment tax. Monies collected
would be used to either pay the salaries of new kinds of jobs, jobs
that have not yet manifested in today's society - or perhaps to fund
the technical & cultural education of displaced workers. Some might
cry "foul", that this smells of "socialism". But what of it?

LITT also wonders if there will even be jobs, as perceived in the
traditional sense, in the not too different future. If that turns out
to be the case how do we then go about redistributing wealth in such a
manner that everyone can buy services and resources. My own suspicion
is that society through the inevitability of emergent behavior will
eventually resolve such matters - and possibly even without all that
much help from government meddling.

In any case, while our generation can afford to prattle on on about
such things, I suspect that this is something our grand children,
great, and great-great grandchildren may have to start working out in
earnest.

Perhaps if I manage to come back as a new edition in another 100 years
or so, I can get a job in theoretical research studying the subtle
effects of quantum fluctuations. I think I might like to focus on
mapping out the unpredictable choices these fluctuations are
constantly making - their "psychology" so to speak. Perhaps my
colleagues will also be studying why is it that quantum fluctuations
remain so unpredictable, and is there any way one can consciously
influence the choices they seem to be making? What if we can influence
the decisions they are making? What then! Be careful what you ask for.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

[Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years

[Jed Rothwell]

OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson  wrote:


> It's my suspicion that with ensuing advancements of technology,
> automation and robotics, traditional capitalism as it is currently
> practiced will have to evolve...


Capitalism, communism, Feudalism, mercantalism and every other economic
system ever invented can be defined as:

A system to allocate human labor, goods and services.

Some of these systems have been efficient; others were inefficient. Some
were just; others were unjust, and still others tyrannical.

No economic system could exist until people achieved some level of
agriculture and the ability to gather in villages and later towns and
cities.

Human labor is now losing value. Robots and intelligent computers are
replacing human workers in many fields, including ones that people
previously thought could never be done by machines. Within 20 to 100 years,
human labor will be worthless.

In the distant future, machines will supply all of the food we want. They
will capable of supplying 10 times the food we want, or a thousand times.
They will be capable of manufacturing a car for every driver, or 100,000
cars for every driver, or enough cars to cover the whole surface of Mars
with automobiles in piles 100 cars high. Material scarcity and human labor
allocation will become distant memories, the way waterborne infectious
disease has in first world countries. The concept of "economic justice"
will become meaningless. The distinction between capitalism and communism
will be meaningless, like the difference between Protestants and Catholics
is to an atheist.

As this transition occurs, all economic systems will gradually collapse.
This is already happening. When labor is worth nothing, you cannot
predicate your economic system on it. With the Internet we have seen the
cost of transferring information drop so close to zero it no longer
matters. No one bothers to account for it. As that happened, people who
made a living selling information that was difficult to access went out of
business. It become like selling water by the river, as the Zen proverb has
it.

Some new economic system must emerge. It will not be capitalism or
communism. No human institution lasts forever; when we have no need for
these things, they will vanish as surely as Feudalism did, or slavery did
in the first world.

I am confident that something new will emerge. If we can devise these
wonderful machines capable of fulfilling all of our material needs and
desires, surely we can also devise some practical means to allocate the
output of the machines so that everyone can have whatever they need, if not
everything they desire. As Romney put it, even today, people feel they are
"entitled to health care, to food, to housing." Naturally, they feel that
way! Since we can have these things in abundance in the first world, people
have every right to feel that way.

In the future, everyone living in every part of the solar system will take
it for granted that they have a birthright to healthcare, food, housing,
education, energy, internet access and much else. These things will cost
nothing. Virtually nothing; the per capita cost to supply food, health care
and so on will be roughly what it costs us today to supply a house with
clean, potable water in a first-world household. That's $335 per year
average in the U.S. Keeping track of such trivial expenses would be a waste
of time. Collecting taxes to pay for them would be a waste of time. In any
case, you can't collect taxes when most people do not bother to work, or
have not need to work.

Cold fusion will play a large roll in making this transition possible.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Alchemy in the Post

[Terry Blanton]

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
> This is bioremediation, not transmutation.

True, but it was interesting to see in the tabloid.

Re: [Vo]:Alchemy in the Post

[fznidarsic]

Issac Newton and Alchemy



http://undergrounddocumentaries.com/isaac-newtons-dark-secrets-full-version/


-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Fri, Oct 5, 2012 3:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Alchemy in the Post


This is bioremediation, not transmutation.


- Jed


 

Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

[OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson]

> I have the experience of 45 years of Communism and now 22 years of
> nascent capitalism. The Kaltwasser Doctrine (see on my blog) applies to
> both but Capitalism is definitelly better.if you like work,education and
> have good inititiatives. I have learned that it is an immense difference
> between social theories and social practice so
> I am more than skepticalregarding redistribution.
> It can be imagined a complex, slow, developing system for diminishing
> the Gini coefficients of a state but the resistance will be fierce.
> The social problems are very wicked everywhere.

Peter,

You have accumulated far more first-hand experience than I have
assembled within my 60 years of life. I am not in a position to
challenge what you had to endure either, nor do I want to. I'm glad
you survived in order to tell us all what you experienced.

Perhaps I error on this point but I will assume that some Vorts may
have come to the conclusion that I must be some kind of a communist at
heart. Jojo certainly seems to have labeled me as such, along with a
few other derogatory terms. But no matter. FWIW, I continue perceive
myself as a capitalist at heart. In my view, those who work harder,
those who continue to innovate and bring improvements into the
everyday lives of others should be rewarded. I suspect capitalism,
flawed it may be, is probably better at compensating such individuals
than any other system. It's imperative that Incentives and rewards be
in place.

However...

It's my suspicion that with ensuing advancements of technology,
automation and robotics, traditional capitalism as it is currently
practiced will have to evolve... perhaps radically. I personally
suspect that capitalism will eventually have to incorporate a number
of socialistic concepts into its fundamental core, particularly things
like universal health care. Capitalism, in turn, will have to improve
on many of these socialistic "rights". I think most capitalistic
societies will eventually come around to a realization that what used
to be considered privileged "benefits" that only the rich and well off
could afford should be perceived as universal rights that are to be
bestowed on all of its citizens. Such benefits would include
unemployment compensation that, if warranted, simultaneously
incorporates "free" job re-training. Eventually, free advanced
eduction should become another inevitable universal right as well.
However, I think such benefits will only be possible through the
continued advances of technology, automation and robotics.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Alchemy in the Post

[Jed Rothwell]

This is bioremediation, not transmutation.

- Jed

[Vo]:Alchemy in the Post

[Terry Blanton]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/innovations/post/a-bacteria-that-poops-gold-yep-that-exists-and-its-in-an-art-exhibit-video/2012/10/04/1617f178-0e5d-11e2-bd1a-b868e65d57eb_blog.html

http://goo.gl/qVL9J

Vid caption:

"This microbial magician, named Cupriavidus metallidurans, when placed
in a minilab full of gold chloride, a nasty toxin, gobbled up the
poison and, in about a week, processed it out as 24-karat nuggets of
the precious yellow metal."

Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

[Daniel Rocha]

i would like to know why some people scream "COMMUNISM!!!", specially in
USA, when any kind of social initiative is proposed.

I know why, but it's just  ridiculous.


> During the U.S. occupation of Japan, land reform was one of the most
> important and effective polices. It made a tremendous contribution to
> ensuring that democracy survived and that rural people could live decently,
> without starving or selling their daughters into prostitution they way they
> had to do before the war.
>
> Land reform, along with all of the other occupation initiatives, was
> designed in Washington during the last years of the war. The policy was set
> long before the occupation began. Under this policy, MacArthur's GHQ
> ordered the Japanese government buy land from large landowners and
> distribute it to the tenant farmers who were working the land. Because of
> the rampant inflation, the government paid essentially nothing for that
> land. That is to say, they set prices and paid months or years later, when
> the value of money had fallen by a huge factor.
>
> No modern society can survive without some measure of redistribution from
> wealthy people to middle class and poor people. This necessity is imposed
> by our technology, in manufacturing and farming. We will soon need much
> more redistribution, to nearly everyone:
>
> http://www.thelightsinthetunnel.com/
>
> There is nothing morally wrong with this. It is how our machinery works.
> If you want to live in a high tech modern society, you must have an economy
> that fits it.
>
> - Jed
>
>


-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

[Jed Rothwell]

OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson  wrote:


> El Salvador is one of the
> smaller Central American countries situated north of Nicaragua. Back
> then, during the mid 1960s, it was estimated that 90% of the country's
> land was owned by 14 families. The illiteracy rate was hovering
> somewhere between 60% and 80%.


During the U.S. occupation of Japan, land reform was one of the most
important and effective polices. It made a tremendous contribution to
ensuring that democracy survived and that rural people could live decently,
without starving or selling their daughters into prostitution they way they
had to do before the war.

Land reform, along with all of the other occupation initiatives, was
designed in Washington during the last years of the war. The policy was set
long before the occupation began. Under this policy, MacArthur's GHQ
ordered the Japanese government buy land from large landowners and
distribute it to the tenant farmers who were working the land. Because of
the rampant inflation, the government paid essentially nothing for that
land. That is to say, they set prices and paid months or years later, when
the value of money had fallen by a huge factor.

No modern society can survive without some measure of redistribution from
wealthy people to middle class and poor people. This necessity is imposed
by our technology, in manufacturing and farming. We will soon need much
more redistribution, to nearly everyone:

http://www.thelightsinthetunnel.com/

There is nothing morally wrong with this. It is how our machinery works. If
you want to live in a high tech modern society, you must have an economy
that fits it.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

[Peter Gluck]

I have the experience of 45 years of Communism and now 22 years of nascent
capitalism.
The Kaltwasser Doctrine (see on my blog) applies to both but Capitalism is
definitelly better.if you like work,education and have good inititiatives.
I have learned that it is an immense difference
between social theories and social practice so
I am more than skepticalregarding redistribution.
It can be imagined a complex, slow, developing system for diminishing the
Gini coefficients of a state but the resistance will be fierce.
The social problems are very wicked everywhere.

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 9:59 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson <
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> From Peter,
>
> ...
>
> > Redistribution is not a solution and it is only temporary, please
> > read about Mediocristan and and Extremistan in Taleb's Black Swan.
> > Inequality is a fundamental law of Nature, all you can do socially is
> minor
> > adjustments at the extremes, but it is not easy to act wisely.
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> Some personal thoughts on the matter...
>
> One of my favorite films is Dr. Zhivago. A masterpiece.
>
> I first saw the film when I was about 13 years old while we were
> living down in San Salvador, El Salvador. El Salvador is one of the
> smaller Central American countries situated north of Nicaragua. Back
> then, during the mid 1960s, it was estimated that 90% of the country's
> land was owned by 14 families. The illiteracy rate was hovering
> somewhere between 60% and 80%. As a young teenager, I must confess the
> fact my first viewing of the film... well, much of what transpired
> went completely over my head. Fortunately, subsequent viewings brought
> the harsh lessons that transpired into better focus.
>
> I realize that when some radical like me talks about "redistribution
> of wealth", many perceive the phrase as possessing many negative
> connotations. It is even perceived as an evil un-godly, un-Christian
> act by a few conservatives of the fundamentalist sort. However, from
> what I could see, from what I experienced, any country that maintains
> a clear and horribly lopsided "distribution of wealth" system within
> its borders strikes me as a far more evil state of affairs than our
> often flawed and clumsy attempts at redistributing wealth.
>
> As hypocritical as it might seem for me to say this, I am not in favor
> of uniform redistribution of wealth. That would be impossible,
> particularly since "equality" means different things to different
> people. IOW, it is a highly subjective state of affairs. I am,
> however, in favor of more "redistribution" of wealth than what we
> currently practice within the USA. How much more "redistribution of
> wealth" is necessary, of course, a highly debatable matter. That's
> what our elected officials (and all of the kings subjects) will have
> to iron out - and no doubt with great difficulty. Nevertheless, in my
> view it is necessary... it is inevitable, because it strikes me as a
> terrible waste of a nation's limited resources (both natural and
> human) to live in a country where a single individual might feel it is
> their god given right to own at least two Cadillacs when at the same
> time there are too many who are scrounging to pay bus fair to get to
> their low-wage paying jobs flipping burgers at McDonalds or operating
> a cash register at WallMart. Calling all of these unfortunate
> individuals bums and freeloaders will only hasten the inevitable
> revolution, because eventually they won't put up with it anymore, no
> matter what it costs them. If they have nothing else to loose...
>
> Regards
> Steven Vincent Johnson
> www.OrionWorks.com
> www.zazzle.com/orionworks
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

[OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson]

>From Peter,

...

> Redistribution is not a solution and it is only temporary, please
> read about Mediocristan and and Extremistan in Taleb's Black Swan.
> Inequality is a fundamental law of Nature, all you can do socially is minor
> adjustments at the extremes, but it is not easy to act wisely.

Hi Peter,

Some personal thoughts on the matter...

One of my favorite films is Dr. Zhivago. A masterpiece.

I first saw the film when I was about 13 years old while we were
living down in San Salvador, El Salvador. El Salvador is one of the
smaller Central American countries situated north of Nicaragua. Back
then, during the mid 1960s, it was estimated that 90% of the country's
land was owned by 14 families. The illiteracy rate was hovering
somewhere between 60% and 80%. As a young teenager, I must confess the
fact my first viewing of the film... well, much of what transpired
went completely over my head. Fortunately, subsequent viewings brought
the harsh lessons that transpired into better focus.

I realize that when some radical like me talks about "redistribution
of wealth", many perceive the phrase as possessing many negative
connotations. It is even perceived as an evil un-godly, un-Christian
act by a few conservatives of the fundamentalist sort. However, from
what I could see, from what I experienced, any country that maintains
a clear and horribly lopsided "distribution of wealth" system within
its borders strikes me as a far more evil state of affairs than our
often flawed and clumsy attempts at redistributing wealth.

As hypocritical as it might seem for me to say this, I am not in favor
of uniform redistribution of wealth. That would be impossible,
particularly since "equality" means different things to different
people. IOW, it is a highly subjective state of affairs. I am,
however, in favor of more "redistribution" of wealth than what we
currently practice within the USA. How much more "redistribution of
wealth" is necessary, of course, a highly debatable matter. That's
what our elected officials (and all of the kings subjects) will have
to iron out - and no doubt with great difficulty. Nevertheless, in my
view it is necessary... it is inevitable, because it strikes me as a
terrible waste of a nation's limited resources (both natural and
human) to live in a country where a single individual might feel it is
their god given right to own at least two Cadillacs when at the same
time there are too many who are scrounging to pay bus fair to get to
their low-wage paying jobs flipping burgers at McDonalds or operating
a cash register at WallMart. Calling all of these unfortunate
individuals bums and freeloaders will only hasten the inevitable
revolution, because eventually they won't put up with it anymore, no
matter what it costs them. If they have nothing else to loose...

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Spin phonons - transversal heat conduction

[Nigel Dyer]

The question makes sense, but I am intrigued by the inclusion of the 
word spin in the title.  Most heat conduction calculations do not 
include the effect of spin, but there is work that does, and the quanta 
of interest is then a magnon, and it all appears to get very complicated.


Nigel

On 05/10/2012 13:38, David Jonsson wrote:

Hi

Heat can flow even transversal to the kinetic motion of heat, right?

David

Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

[LORENHEYER]

Some clarification is needed... Your use of the term "Coherent" is 
haphazard at best.  I'd also have to say that it's 'you' who are barely 
coherent. I 
can also safely assume that you haven't made use of those two glands (called 
eyes) located just above your nose to either side.  

  If in your relatively 
short life you had ever spent any amount of time looking up into the night sky, 
you would at least have an "idea" of what I am talking about, as to *Other* 
Craft up in Space that emit Light and/or reflect it.  IF you had 
conditioned or trained your eyes to be as keen or sharp as mine, you would be 
able to 
distinguish the relative speeds & altitudes of all the Air or Jet planes 
from *that* which operates up in space independently of "our" space-junk and/or 
debris in the many thousands, of pieces or chunks, plus, various other 
Countries orbiting spacecraft, space-station,  satellites, etc. etc..   
 

 So,  
everything I've seen over the many years, along with what I'm quite confident 
are numerous original authentic genuine first-hand eyewitness accounts or 
encounters of numerous people in all walks-of-life who have seen these craft 
and/or its occupants, simply put, cannot be mistaken for anything other than 
what it is.  It comes down to  a relatively simple matter of "our" 
perception abilities, and what we tend to accept as normal according to our 
conventional standard of thinking, understanding, wisdom, so on & so forth. 
 

   
Even-tho the people who have witnessed these craft or occupants will typically 
tend to be regarded by most deceptive misleading manipulative people that are 
unreliable, mistaken, untrained, or whathaveyou, the hard fact remains that 
these encounters have occurred, are occurring, and likely will occur (as 
required... because you know, that word gets out, and it has a direct or 
indirect influence in society). 
  
The 
subject of UFO's (as in advanced civilizations spacecraft or technology) 
comes down to simple matter of a *reality* that is more real and/or capable 
than "we" are able to rationalise, at this point in time.  This *other* matter 
will require if not demand  a whole complete new approach on our part as to 
how energy, propulsion & *being* can be all integrated highly compatably 
into one powerfully efficient system which can operate in a whole complete 
highly siphisticated capacity, 'second to none'.

Most assuredly, this highly developed system/process is 
enabling *them* to be up there, in the absolute or without fail. The fact is 
that 
whenever one, or a few of "us" are confronted with these vehicles and it's 
occupants, it can tend to frighten the you-know-what out of us, and/or have a 
very profound impact, which can actually have a very real effect on society 
that undergoes an adjustment of a sort that is barely even recognized or 
acknowledged in any way.

  So, there you have my comments (coherency included) and if you can't 
understand it, then I would say the trouble lies with you and/or your 
ability to come to terms with a far more capable & enduring mode of being 
and/or 
existence that is most certainly at least several, if not 10's & 100's of 
millions and/or billions of years ahead of us (as in, this biologically 
dependent human mode of being, limited or confined essentially only to this 
earthbound existence).  


And, I also need to correct some miswording in my 
comment that... "We" are *Their* bread & butter (what makes the world go round) 
and *They* are "Ours".  I would have to say that this is a fact that simply 
will not be fully known by this civilization until we and our whole 
way-of-life is long-since obsolete. I think it might helps to think of it  
in-terms 
of  "Progress"

Here you go;  Now just look at the amount of time that has 
transpired that lead up to our current human being, from all th

Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

[David Roberson]

Peter, did you live through this type of environment?  I have friends that 
witnessed it first hand in Cuba.  Production all but faded away once workers 
realized that they got paid whether or not they put forth any effort.


Dave



-Original Message-
From: Peter Gluck 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:22 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized


What Jojo says, was done in practice in all the communist societies, greater 
flats were shared by 2-5 families, one bathroom, one kitchen- you can imagine 
what has happened: eternal quarrels, fights, stress, hatred, noise, dirt, 
vendettas.
I think you have not watched many Soviet movies
from the 1930 in which the situation was presented in an idealized form.


Redistribution is not a solution and it is only temporary, please read about 
Mediocristan and 
and Extremistan in Taleb's Black Swan.
Inequality is a fundamental law of Nature, all you can do socially is minor 
adjustments at the extremes, but it is not easy to act wisely.


Peter


On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Zell, Chris  wrote:

A redistributist economy is inevitable.  I say this sadly because I have 
libertarian impulses but realize that technology is leading us into a state 
like StarTrek - in which no one has secure employment except for the guy who 
fixes the Replicator.

-Original Message-
From: Jojo Jaro [mailto:jth...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 11:58 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

Hoorah!!! let's steal from the rich to redistribute to all the lazy bums out 
there.  I wonder how you would feel if I confiscated your house and let 
homeless people live there with you.  I'm pretty sure you would welcome that 
and enjoy it.

What a moron!



Jojo




- Original Message -
From: "OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized


> It's possible my recent little mini-rant gave many Vorts the
> impression that I believe that the "Rich and Powerful" are evil
> miscreants, that I believe the majority of U.S. citizens who reside in
> so-called 98% under/middle class should rise up and overthrow the
> alleged tyranny of the greedy, the so-called "Rich and Powerful" -
> yada-yada and so forth.
>
> Personally, I suspect "greed" is a natural component of our
> psychological and physiological makeup. It's in our genes, and for
> good reason. Greed, specifically the action of hoarding helped our
> ancient ancestors survive slim-pickens, such as when hunting for game
> was at best a precarious job skill, and famine prevailed throughout
> the land.
>
> However, today the entire world is slowing transforming (granted, in
> fits and starts) into a technologically automated society, where most
> of our needs will available to us via technology, through the wonders
> of automation and robotics. The absolute need to follow many of our
> prior genetically built-in biological imperatives, particularly the
> greed to amass as much money as one can (and all the privileges
> associated with "money) is becoming increasingly more
> counterproductive.
>
> A modern working-class society, a modern economy cannot flourish
> unless the middle class can secure sufficient discretionary "income"
> in which to purchase goods and services that in-turn are mostly
> created by the working class. If too much discretionary currency ends
> up in the coffers of just a few rich and powerful individuals and
> corporations the economy of the majority of working class citizens
> collapses because of working classes' inability to support it.
>
> That's were government regulation has to step in and help level the
> playing field. It will not be easy, nor will all adjustments be
> perfect. Needless to say, the Rich and Powerful will resist. The Tea
> Party will resist! ;-) Just keep in mind, however, that it's just our
> genes telling to prepare for famine. But this time... maybe this time
> we don't have to believe "famine" is just around the corner, not when
> technology, automation, and robotics are rapidly becoming the new
> underclass of our modern society. It's an underclass that will never
> demand expensive health insurance, or join a union and constantly go
> on strike for a pay raise.
>
> Unfortunately, old habits - particularly some of those faithful genes
> associated with greed - are going to be with us for a very long time.
>
> This will be an interesting presidential election. I hope it won't be
> ruled by our genes.
>
> Regards
> Steven Vincent Johnson
> www.OrionWorks.com
> www.zazzle.com/orionworks
>
>







-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com


 

Re: [Vo]:OT: The 23 Enigma

[Harvey Norris]

The periodicity of the cyclic voltages present on the spiralled 666 machine 
phase voltage outputs and its secondary loadings can be shown to be vastly 
expanded during maximum energy transfer to components. What this means in 
laymans terms is that ordinarily the extra effect of this rotating vector in 
time only causes the  frequency of the entire scoped waveform to be slightly 
increased and decreased very rapidly at the set sweep rate frequency for seeing 
the entire cycle. It would literally be a frequency modulated signal betweeen 
490 and 465 hz, which causes the viewing of the scoped signal to appear as a 
horizontal oscillation. Now when maximum loading of the primary input occurs 
this longitudinal oscillation in time gets converted into a somewhat profound 
amplitude modulation, but it too is not immediately evident until we turn down 
the sweep rate to see the history of 100 cycles on the screen. Here is where 
the scope as a tool delivers significant
 information that the amperage meter measurement of that input does not. The 
power input has become a very slow heterodyned one that is PULSING at a rate 
twice that in amplitude of normal level. This is rather bizaare in that then we 
should see the secondary pulsing at the same deviance of max and min voltages, 
but this does not seem to appear on its amp meter. The periodicity of this 
phenomenon will now be recorded~ 23-25 cycles. Will send back pic HDN
Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances 
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/


--- On Wed, 10/3/12, Jones Beene  wrote:

> From: Jones Beene 
> Subject: [Vo]:OT: The 23 Enigma
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 3, 2012, 8:52 PM
> There is a meme "out there" about
> cycles of 23 years. 
> 
> It is the so-called "23 Enigma" and refers to the belief
> popularized by
> Robert Anton Wilson and others that meaningful incidents and
> events are
> connected to the number 23 (and alternatively by the rule of
> fives 2+3=5).
> Some of this is found in the widely misunderstood
> Illuminatus Trilogy. 
Dont forget the movie 23. I once had an 26 year cycle hit me from another 
person, the whole episode was bizaare. I will have to check out your cited 
Illuminatius trilogy...
> There are strange coincidences of 23-year cycles popping up
> in modern
> history and personal anecdote that make it seem more than
> random, but the
> connection to this year is probably bogus; yet... as of
> today... more
> provocative. 2012 is 80% gone now - yet going back - there
> is little doubt
> that 1989 was a red-letter year for many who read this list.
> We cannot
> overlook the implications of a ~23 year gap ... if something
> should turn up
> in LENR in the next few months, and we can blame the 23
> Enigma (or the
> Illuminati) on the delay. 
> 
> Also, for those who live in the SF Bay area of California,
> as did Wilson -
> 1989 was the year of the devastating Loma Prieta Earthquake.
> A big-one is
> overdue here, and October is looming ominous. If a Big-one
> does happen this
> year, 23 years later, then it will probably be during the
> "Series."
> 
> 1989 was the year of another oddity in the Bay area - in
> Baseball of all
> things. That year both the local ball clubs won their
> respective pennants
> and appeared is what was called the Bay Bridge World Series.
> The big quake
> was seen on National TV during one of the games and the
> Goodyear Blimp
> caught the resulting fires for a large audience. The
> ball-parks are across
> the Bay from one another, and having two local teams in a
> World Series is
> extremely rare, but that rare event could happen again this
> year.
> 
> IOW - that coincidence of Big Quake, Baseball oddity, LENR
> discovery, and so
> on - would not even be worth a passing mention - if the
> Oakland Club had not
> done something today that has never been done in Baseball
> before, preserving
> a chance to be in the 2012 World Series later this month -
> and the SF Giants
> are also in the playoffs. And if Brillouin and SRI/EPRI are
> listening, then
> they might consider that they are destined to be integral to
> the final part
> of this revised RAW 23 year Trilogy (since Rossi and DGT
> seem to have
> defaulted). Or maybe an unknown inventor, quien sabe?
> 
> Wilson wrote about QM in the Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy, and
> Prometheus
> Rising and some tales which are predictive of future energy
> including The
> Final Secret of the Illuminati which I should probably
> reread - to see if
> they offer further insight. Many consider Wilson to have
> been a real
> prophet, but in the Trickster disguise - often leading the
> reader to an
> opposite conclusion to what the actual words suggest. Others
> think the
> Illuminati stuff too far-out or if anything, closer to
> metaphor, than real
> ... (even before the doomsday cults picked up on it,
> inappropriately).
> 
> There is a way that they, the Illuminati could be both
> benign and real to
> some extent; and it

RE: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

[Zell, Chris]

These discussions about the rich are starting to sound like generals in WW2, 
prepared to fight the previous war.

I have not read a single commentator talk about the future problem of being 
rich:  first, as to stocks, the markets are highly correlated - even more so 
than in the '08 crash.  Second, cash held has to be denominated in some 
nation's currency - which is a big problem since few if any of them can come 
close to balancing their budgets. Third, gold and silver may plunge along with 
everything else in a deflationary crash.

In summary,  if you're at the top of the pyramid, it might be well to consider 
the many layers that support your position above it all.

Instead of the Biblical, 'every man with his own vine and fig tree', I hope we 
end up with free energy and "Santa Claus" machines for all. ( a Sci Fi 
reference)


From: Jouni Valkonen [mailto:jounivalko...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 12:27 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

hello Jojo,

This Guardian article answers on behalf of me to you. You will probably just 
ignore this article, because it does not fit on your ideology, but still I 
would appreciate if you would take a look at it. Things are not always as rosy 
as they are meant to be. It is extremely rare that the richest are hard working 
entrepreneurs who are creating valuable innovations out of their irreplaceable 
mind.

Mitt Romney and the myth of self-created millionaires
The parasitical ultra-rich often deny the role of others in the acquisition of 
their wealth - and even seek to punish them for it
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/24/mitt-romney-self-creation-myth

No, almost all the very richests are financial speculators who are utilizing 
loopholes in legislation often by avoiding regulations recycling dirty money 
through offshore islands. Therefore they are more like criminals, because their 
contribution does not add value to the society, but is almost always 
destructive. E.g. Gina gathered huge profit from Australian housing bubble and 
the ones who paid her profit were common hard working Australian house owners, 
whom you classified as gluttonous, rebellious and lazy people.

I am personally huge fan on Elon Musk, who is the living proof that single 
person can make the difference. However Elon is extremely rare example of the 
classical hero of capitalism. There are just not too many of those on the 
Forbes billionaire list who are also the chief designers of the best rocket 
ever built, i.e. Falcon 9, that is to be launched for the first commercial 
operation at this Sunday.

I apologize about the political nature of this message, but I would guess that 
due to elections they should be tolerated if they are not leading into flooding 
the mailing list.

-jouni


On 3 October 2012 05:42, Jojo Jaro 
mailto:jth...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
This idea that poverty is the root cause of criminality is at best naive and at 
worst moronic.  This can only come from the liberal minds of 
socialistic/communistic people who think that "Income Redistribution" is the 
panacea for all societal ills.  My friend, stealing from people who work hard 
for their income and redistribute it to lazy bums will not cure sociatal ills.  
You are smarter than to believe in that solution.

Let's take a real life example.  The United States has more felons and 
criminals on a per capita basis than any other country in the world, including 
such 4th world countries like the Philippines who are poverty stricken to the 
core.  The United States is flushed in food and resources and conveniences, and 
yet manage to produce more criminals and felons than any other country.  
Please, I would like to hear your explanation why the US has more criminals 
than the Philippines (on a per capita basis).


Jojo


PS. The root cause of crime is not poverty. but rather the inherent sin and 
rebellion in the hearts of a glutonous, rebellious and lazy society.


- Original Message -
From: Jouni Valkonen
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized


I would think that only way to combat this problem is to eliminate poverty from 
the society. About 95% of the criminality is due to unjust distribution of 
wealth. This is not that individual humans would resort into criminality if 
they fail to find job due to high unemployment rates, but because children are 
crown in the conditions where no children should be allowed to live.

Best way to eliminate poverty is to set zero income level for each individuals 
into 1000-2000 dollars per month. This can be done quite easily by distributing 
income more justly. When there is no scarcity of the basic needs, there won't 
be breeding grounds for violent gangs and violent larger scale reli

Re: [Vo]:Spin phonons - transversal heat conduction

[David Roberson]

The way I understand it is that heat flows in the direction opposite to the 
temperature gradient within a material.  I think of it as heat flowing in all 
directions, with more flowing from the higher temperature locations.  The net 
is that the flow tends to equalize the temperature.


Dave



-Original Message-
From: David Jonsson 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Fri, Oct 5, 2012 8:38 am
Subject: [Vo]:Spin phonons - transversal heat conduction


Hi


Heat can flow even transversal to the kinetic motion of heat, right?


David


 

Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

[OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson]

Since Jojo is now on my filter list this "moron" is fortunate to avoid
being subjected to most of his take on philanthropy, except that is
when he is copied. Granted, I must confess the fact that I was
secretly hoping to bate Jojo into responding to some of my so-called
radical opinions. ... and he did. Occasionally, Jojo is very
predictable.

IMHO, Jojo's philosophy is better expressed within the context of
following script:

*

LADY: Many thousands only want the common necessities of life.

LADY 2: Hundreds and thousands are in want of common comfort, Sir.

SCROOGE: Are there no prisons?

LADIES: Oh, yes, plenty of prisons!

SCROOGE: And the workhouses, have they all closed down?

LADY: Oh no, they have not. I wish I could say they had.

SCROOGE: I was afraid from what you said that something had occured
that would stop them in their useful work. I am glad to hear it is not
so.

LADY: Oh, but sir, realizing that neither the prisons nor the
workhouses can provide any Christian cheer to either mind or body, we
are trying to raise some money to buy the poor a little meat, and
drink, and means of keeping warm at this so very special time of year,
they are most in need. How much shall we put you down for, Sir?

SCROOGE: Nothing.

LADY: Oh! Sir, you wish to remain anonymous?

SCROOGE: Ladies, since you ask me what I wish...I do not make myself
Merry at Christmas, and I cannot afford to make idle people merry. If
they are poor, I have to support the prisons and the workhouses from
my taxes. They cost enough. And those who are poor must go there.

LADY 2: Well, you can't go there. Many would rather die.

SCROOGE: If they would rather die, they had better do it, and reduce
the surplus population. Good day, ladies.

**

From: A Christmas Carroll

http://www.scribd.com/doc/47814316/Christmas-Carol-Script

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

[Alain Sepeda]

there is truths and error in boths , even moderate, vision...

I've read in "the next convergence" a much more rational analysis of how to
organize free market, social protection, regulation, protectionism,
currency manipulation.


one basic of that author vision is that the best way to increase wealth is
big growth to catchup rich high-tech countries.
It is a question of infrastructure, but also of knowledge transfer, that
need a good context, education technical infrastructure, governance, but
als inclusiveness, feeling of justice, leading to supporting the temporary
pain of structural change.

the idea of convergence is that you need to make strong structural change
in permanence.
no recepi of sucess work for a decade.
You shoul not protect the jobs, but you have to protect the people so they
can adapt to the new jobs, with education.
you have not to help them to stay in the old industry, but you can protect
you industry, and the people, for a short time so they can adapt and so
that the new jobs are created not too late from de destructions of old
jobs...

the basic of good attitude is not adapt roughly, without too much ideoloy,
see how is does works, correct quicly, and accept imperfection, but refuse
comfort and statu-quo...

redistribution is needed, to allow a feeling of justic, but inequality will
increase. however unlike in locked economy, the inequalities won't be
because of cast or family history, but because of luck (right time, right
place, some talent, and they will be temporary...

What is the enemy of economy is "economic rent", monopoly, and other
comfort of the dominant actors... wealth can be accepted, but it should be
on the edge, and poverty should be belended and temporary... but not
comportable... just temporary, motivating,and the system shoul avoid to
destroy active force, and help them to update their competences.

it looks quite cold blooded but it is also humanist, since it helps all a
populatio to live better, even if everybody, even the rich, have his butt
kicked some times. kicked, not blasted.

this book is interesting.
And very critic to most occidental policy, libertarian or social-democrats.

2012/10/5 Peter Gluck 

> What Jojo says, was done in practice in all the communist societies,
> greater flats were shared by 2-5 families, one bathroom, one kitchen- you
> can imagine what has happened: eternal quarrels, fights, stress, hatred,
> noise, dirt, vendettas.
> I think you have not watched many Soviet movies
> from the 1930 in which the situation was presented in an idealized form.
>
> Redistribution is not a solution and it is only temporary, please read
> about Mediocristan and
> and Extremistan in Taleb's Black Swan.
> Inequality is a fundamental law of Nature, all you can do socially is
> minor adjustments at the extremes, but it is not easy to act wisely.
>
> Peter
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Zell, Chris  wrote:
>
>> A redistributist economy is inevitable.  I say this sadly because I have
>> libertarian impulses but realize that technology is leading us into a state
>> like StarTrek - in which no one has secure employment except for the guy
>> who fixes the Replicator.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jojo Jaro [mailto:jth...@hotmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 11:58 AM
>> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized
>>
>> Hoorah!!! let's steal from the rich to redistribute to all the lazy bums
>> out there.  I wonder how you would feel if I confiscated your house and let
>> homeless people live there with you.  I'm pretty sure you would welcome
>> that and enjoy it.
>>
>> What a moron!
>>
>>
>>
>> Jojo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 11:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized
>>
>>
>> > It's possible my recent little mini-rant gave many Vorts the
>> > impression that I believe that the "Rich and Powerful" are evil
>> > miscreants, that I believe the majority of U.S. citizens who reside in
>> > so-called 98% under/middle class should rise up and overthrow the
>> > alleged tyranny of the greedy, the so-called "Rich and Powerful" -
>> > yada-yada and so forth.
>> >
>> > Personally, I suspect "greed" is a natural component of our
>> > psychological and physiological makeup. It's in our genes, and for
>> > good reason. Greed, specifically the action of hoarding helped our
>> > ancient ancestors survive slim-pickens, such as when hunting for game
>> > was at best a precarious job skill, and famine prevailed throughout
>> > the land.
>> >
>> > However, today the entire world is slowing transforming (granted, in
>> > fits and starts) into a technologically automated society, where most
>> > of our needs will available to us via technology, through the wonders
>> > of automation and robotics. The absolute need to follow many of our
>> > prior gen

Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

[Jouni Valkonen]

hello Jojo,

This Guardian article answers on behalf of me to you. You will probably
just ignore this article, because it does not fit on your ideology, but
still I would appreciate if you would take a look at it. Things are not
always as rosy as they are meant to be. It is extremely rare that the
richest are hard working entrepreneurs who are creating valuable
innovations out of their irreplaceable mind.

*Mitt Romney and the myth of self-created millionaires*
*The parasitical ultra-rich often deny the role of others in the
acquisition of their wealth – and even seek to punish them for it*
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/24/mitt-romney-self-creation-myth

No, almost all the very richests are financial speculators who are
utilizing loopholes in legislation often by avoiding
regulations recycling dirty money through offshore islands. Therefore they
are more like criminals, because their contribution does not add value to
the society, but is almost always destructive. E.g. Gina gathered huge
profit from Australian housing bubble and the ones who paid her profit were
common hard working Australian house owners, whom you classified as
gluttonous, rebellious and lazy people.

I am personally huge fan on Elon Musk, who is the living proof that single
person can make the difference. However Elon is extremely rare example of
the classical hero of capitalism. There are just not too many of those on
the Forbes billionaire list who are also the chief designers of the best
rocket ever built, i.e. Falcon 9, that is to be launched for the first
commercial operation at this Sunday.

I apologize about the political nature of this message, but I would guess
that due to elections they should be tolerated if they are not leading into
flooding the mailing list.

—jouni


On 3 October 2012 05:42, Jojo Jaro  wrote:

> **
> This idea that poverty is the root cause of criminality is at best naive
> and at worst moronic.  This can only come from the liberal minds of
> socialistic/communistic people who think that "Income Redistribution" is
> the panacea for all societal ills.  My friend, stealing from people who
> work hard for their income and redistribute it to lazy bums will not cure
> sociatal ills.  You are smarter than to believe in that solution.
>
> Let's take a real life example.  The United States has more felons and
> criminals on a per capita basis than any other country in the world,
> including such 4th world countries like the Philippines who are poverty
> stricken to the core.  The United States is flushed in food and resources
> and conveniences, and yet manage to produce more criminals and felons than
> any other country.  Please, I would like to hear your explanation why the
> US has more criminals than the Philippines (on a per capita basis).
>
>
> Jojo
>
>
> PS. The root cause of crime is not poverty. but rather the inherent sin
> and rebellion in the hearts of a glutonous, rebellious and lazy society.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jouni Valkonen 
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 03, 2012 9:50 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer
> Seized
>
>
> I would think that only way to combat this problem is to eliminate poverty
> from the society. About 95% of the criminality is due to unjust
> distribution of wealth. This is not that individual humans would resort
> into criminality if they fail to find job due to high unemployment rates,
> but because children are crown in the conditions where no children should
> be allowed to live.
>
> Best way to eliminate poverty is to set zero income level for each
> individuals into 1000-2000 dollars per month. This can be done quite easily
> by distributing income more justly. When there is no scarcity of the basic
> needs, there won't be breeding grounds for violent gangs and violent larger
> scale religions, because every child will get a proper and free education.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

[Peter Gluck]

What Jojo says, was done in practice in all the communist societies,
greater flats were shared by 2-5 families, one bathroom, one kitchen- you
can imagine what has happened: eternal quarrels, fights, stress, hatred,
noise, dirt, vendettas.
I think you have not watched many Soviet movies
from the 1930 in which the situation was presented in an idealized form.

Redistribution is not a solution and it is only temporary, please read
about Mediocristan and
and Extremistan in Taleb's Black Swan.
Inequality is a fundamental law of Nature, all you can do socially is minor
adjustments at the extremes, but it is not easy to act wisely.

Peter

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Zell, Chris  wrote:

> A redistributist economy is inevitable.  I say this sadly because I have
> libertarian impulses but realize that technology is leading us into a state
> like StarTrek - in which no one has secure employment except for the guy
> who fixes the Replicator.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jojo Jaro [mailto:jth...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 11:58 AM
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized
>
> Hoorah!!! let's steal from the rich to redistribute to all the lazy bums
> out there.  I wonder how you would feel if I confiscated your house and let
> homeless people live there with you.  I'm pretty sure you would welcome
> that and enjoy it.
>
> What a moron!
>
>
>
> Jojo
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 11:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized
>
>
> > It's possible my recent little mini-rant gave many Vorts the
> > impression that I believe that the "Rich and Powerful" are evil
> > miscreants, that I believe the majority of U.S. citizens who reside in
> > so-called 98% under/middle class should rise up and overthrow the
> > alleged tyranny of the greedy, the so-called "Rich and Powerful" -
> > yada-yada and so forth.
> >
> > Personally, I suspect "greed" is a natural component of our
> > psychological and physiological makeup. It's in our genes, and for
> > good reason. Greed, specifically the action of hoarding helped our
> > ancient ancestors survive slim-pickens, such as when hunting for game
> > was at best a precarious job skill, and famine prevailed throughout
> > the land.
> >
> > However, today the entire world is slowing transforming (granted, in
> > fits and starts) into a technologically automated society, where most
> > of our needs will available to us via technology, through the wonders
> > of automation and robotics. The absolute need to follow many of our
> > prior genetically built-in biological imperatives, particularly the
> > greed to amass as much money as one can (and all the privileges
> > associated with "money) is becoming increasingly more
> > counterproductive.
> >
> > A modern working-class society, a modern economy cannot flourish
> > unless the middle class can secure sufficient discretionary "income"
> > in which to purchase goods and services that in-turn are mostly
> > created by the working class. If too much discretionary currency ends
> > up in the coffers of just a few rich and powerful individuals and
> > corporations the economy of the majority of working class citizens
> > collapses because of working classes' inability to support it.
> >
> > That's were government regulation has to step in and help level the
> > playing field. It will not be easy, nor will all adjustments be
> > perfect. Needless to say, the Rich and Powerful will resist. The Tea
> > Party will resist! ;-) Just keep in mind, however, that it's just our
> > genes telling to prepare for famine. But this time... maybe this time
> > we don't have to believe "famine" is just around the corner, not when
> > technology, automation, and robotics are rapidly becoming the new
> > underclass of our modern society. It's an underclass that will never
> > demand expensive health insurance, or join a union and constantly go
> > on strike for a pay raise.
> >
> > Unfortunately, old habits - particularly some of those faithful genes
> > associated with greed - are going to be with us for a very long time.
> >
> > This will be an interesting presidential election. I hope it won't be
> > ruled by our genes.
> >
> > Regards
> > Steven Vincent Johnson
> > www.OrionWorks.com
> > www.zazzle.com/orionworks
> >
> >
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

RE: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

[Zell, Chris]

A redistributist economy is inevitable.  I say this sadly because I have 
libertarian impulses but realize that technology is leading us into a state 
like StarTrek - in which no one has secure employment except for the guy who 
fixes the Replicator. 

-Original Message-
From: Jojo Jaro [mailto:jth...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 11:58 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

Hoorah!!! let's steal from the rich to redistribute to all the lazy bums out 
there.  I wonder how you would feel if I confiscated your house and let 
homeless people live there with you.  I'm pretty sure you would welcome that 
and enjoy it.

What a moron!



Jojo




- Original Message -
From: "OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized


> It's possible my recent little mini-rant gave many Vorts the
> impression that I believe that the "Rich and Powerful" are evil
> miscreants, that I believe the majority of U.S. citizens who reside in
> so-called 98% under/middle class should rise up and overthrow the
> alleged tyranny of the greedy, the so-called "Rich and Powerful" -
> yada-yada and so forth.
>
> Personally, I suspect "greed" is a natural component of our
> psychological and physiological makeup. It's in our genes, and for
> good reason. Greed, specifically the action of hoarding helped our
> ancient ancestors survive slim-pickens, such as when hunting for game
> was at best a precarious job skill, and famine prevailed throughout
> the land.
>
> However, today the entire world is slowing transforming (granted, in
> fits and starts) into a technologically automated society, where most
> of our needs will available to us via technology, through the wonders
> of automation and robotics. The absolute need to follow many of our
> prior genetically built-in biological imperatives, particularly the
> greed to amass as much money as one can (and all the privileges
> associated with "money) is becoming increasingly more
> counterproductive.
>
> A modern working-class society, a modern economy cannot flourish
> unless the middle class can secure sufficient discretionary "income"
> in which to purchase goods and services that in-turn are mostly
> created by the working class. If too much discretionary currency ends
> up in the coffers of just a few rich and powerful individuals and
> corporations the economy of the majority of working class citizens
> collapses because of working classes' inability to support it.
>
> That's were government regulation has to step in and help level the
> playing field. It will not be easy, nor will all adjustments be
> perfect. Needless to say, the Rich and Powerful will resist. The Tea
> Party will resist! ;-) Just keep in mind, however, that it's just our
> genes telling to prepare for famine. But this time... maybe this time
> we don't have to believe "famine" is just around the corner, not when
> technology, automation, and robotics are rapidly becoming the new
> underclass of our modern society. It's an underclass that will never
> demand expensive health insurance, or join a union and constantly go
> on strike for a pay raise.
>
> Unfortunately, old habits - particularly some of those faithful genes
> associated with greed - are going to be with us for a very long time.
>
> This will be an interesting presidential election. I hope it won't be
> ruled by our genes.
>
> Regards
> Steven Vincent Johnson
> www.OrionWorks.com
> www.zazzle.com/orionworks
>
> 

Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

[Jojo Jaro]

Hoorah!!! let's steal from the rich to redistribute to all the lazy bums out 
there.  I wonder how you would feel if I confiscated your house and let 
homeless people live there with you.  I'm pretty sure you would welcome that 
and enjoy it.


What a moron!



Jojo




- Original Message - 
From: "OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized



It's possible my recent little mini-rant gave many Vorts the
impression that I believe that the "Rich and Powerful" are evil
miscreants, that I believe the majority of U.S. citizens who reside in
so-called 98% under/middle class should rise up and overthrow the
alleged tyranny of the greedy, the so-called "Rich and Powerful" -
yada-yada and so forth.

Personally, I suspect "greed" is a natural component of our
psychological and physiological makeup. It's in our genes, and for
good reason. Greed, specifically the action of hoarding helped our
ancient ancestors survive slim-pickens, such as when hunting for game
was at best a precarious job skill, and famine prevailed throughout
the land.

However, today the entire world is slowing transforming (granted, in
fits and starts) into a technologically automated society, where most
of our needs will available to us via technology, through the wonders
of automation and robotics. The absolute need to follow many of our
prior genetically built-in biological imperatives, particularly the
greed to amass as much money as one can (and all the privileges
associated with "money) is becoming increasingly more
counterproductive.

A modern working-class society, a modern economy cannot flourish
unless the middle class can secure sufficient discretionary "income"
in which to purchase goods and services that in-turn are mostly
created by the working class. If too much discretionary currency ends
up in the coffers of just a few rich and powerful individuals and
corporations the economy of the majority of working class citizens
collapses because of working classes' inability to support it.

That's were government regulation has to step in and help level the
playing field. It will not be easy, nor will all adjustments be
perfect. Needless to say, the Rich and Powerful will resist. The Tea
Party will resist! ;-) Just keep in mind, however, that it's just our
genes telling to prepare for famine. But this time... maybe this time
we don't have to believe "famine" is just around the corner, not when
technology, automation, and robotics are rapidly becoming the new
underclass of our modern society. It's an underclass that will never
demand expensive health insurance, or join a union and constantly go
on strike for a pay raise.

Unfortunately, old habits - particularly some of those faithful genes
associated with greed - are going to be with us for a very long time.

This will be an interesting presidential election. I hope it won't be
ruled by our genes.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

[OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson]

It's possible my recent little mini-rant gave many Vorts the
impression that I believe that the "Rich and Powerful" are evil
miscreants, that I believe the majority of U.S. citizens who reside in
so-called 98% under/middle class should rise up and overthrow the
alleged tyranny of the greedy, the so-called "Rich and Powerful" -
yada-yada and so forth.

Personally, I suspect "greed" is a natural component of our
psychological and physiological makeup. It's in our genes, and for
good reason. Greed, specifically the action of hoarding helped our
ancient ancestors survive slim-pickens, such as when hunting for game
was at best a precarious job skill, and famine prevailed throughout
the land.

However, today the entire world is slowing transforming (granted, in
fits and starts) into a technologically automated society, where most
of our needs will available to us via technology, through the wonders
of automation and robotics. The absolute need to follow many of our
prior genetically built-in biological imperatives, particularly the
greed to amass as much money as one can (and all the privileges
associated with "money) is becoming increasingly more
counterproductive.

A modern working-class society, a modern economy cannot flourish
unless the middle class can secure sufficient discretionary "income"
in which to purchase goods and services that in-turn are mostly
created by the working class. If too much discretionary currency ends
up in the coffers of just a few rich and powerful individuals and
corporations the economy of the majority of working class citizens
collapses because of working classes' inability to support it.

That's were government regulation has to step in and help level the
playing field. It will not be easy, nor will all adjustments be
perfect. Needless to say, the Rich and Powerful will resist. The Tea
Party will resist! ;-) Just keep in mind, however, that it's just our
genes telling to prepare for famine. But this time... maybe this time
we don't have to believe "famine" is just around the corner, not when
technology, automation, and robotics are rapidly becoming the new
underclass of our modern society. It's an underclass that will never
demand expensive health insurance, or join a union and constantly go
on strike for a pay raise.

Unfortunately, old habits - particularly some of those faithful genes
associated with greed - are going to be with us for a very long time.

This will be an interesting presidential election. I hope it won't be
ruled by our genes.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

RE: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

[OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson]

>From David:

 

> It has long been my belief that the government uses inflation to 

> pay off the debts that are incurred.  This is a great way to take

> away assets from those who hold them in the form of cash equivalents. 

> The recent actions of the FED will result in dangerous inflation so

> now is a good time to borrow as much as you can at low fixed rates

> for the longest period possible.  I saw a reference that suggested

> that a 30 year home mortgage rate is 3.36%; what a deal. 

 

I am in agreement... However, I suspect governments have no choice left in
their arsenal but to eventually print up extra greenbacks and start another
uncomfortable cycle of higher-than-normal inflation. It is the only way I
know how governments can rebalance their books and  pay off the previous
administration's predilections to instigate expensive and unnecessary wars.
If the rich and powerful refuse to pay taxes, inflation is the only
practical economic method left that I know of on how governments can
redistribute wealth back to the needy which has been systematically sapped
by the rich and powerful. The horribly bad thing about inflation is that it
takes a terrible toll on individuals with fixed income incomes, like
retirees and the disabled. Hopefully the government can compensate them. The
rich and powerful will of course rail against such policies and point out
how it will ravage the bank accounts of the poor and their meager. The rich
and powerful will do their best to frighten the bejesus out of everyone
especially the poor, which the Tea Party seems to be doing quite well these
days. But what most of the rich and powerful are not saying, and what they
are really scared about is the fact that it's their OWN damned money, their
OWN power base, that they are really worried about losing. However, they are
rich. They are still powerful. They can afford it. They just don't want to
afford it, not if they can help it. The problem is that the poor can't
afford it, unless the government compensates them. But for government to
compensate the poor, the rich and powerful will have to realize the fact
that it's their own wealth that is being reduced - and they won't stand for
it, not if they can help it. It's a vicious cycle. Hopefully, an
administration with enough guts will prevail and help redistribute the
nation's wealth back to a more economically healthy levels. The current
levels. the current economic distribution is horribly out of skew.

 

BTW, home mortgages are now at all time lows: 2.75%

 

I've personally never experienced rates this low in my life. I've heard they
may stay this low for possibly another year or so.

 

This is the time to refinance. We just did. helping to redistributing
"wealth" one household at a time. ;-)

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

www.OrionWorks.com

www.zazzle.com/orionworks