Re: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-10 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote Bottom line: it is looking like the new normal for chemistry is what was formerly 1COP2 and is not nuclear and not chemical - thus it can be called suprachemical. ...or infranuclear. ;-) harry

[Vo]:The Shell Game

2012-11-10 Thread Harvey Norris
Sequential placement of 2.6, 2.7 H secondaries on 666 pancake primary system. Middle segment of each phasing stack has a reversed polarity to yield a one sixth cycle polarity interaction. A 3 phase car alternator is used to power the process; without the field being energized to obtain the

Re: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Answer: gain, but LOW gain - and remarkably consistent long -term low-gain. In other words, the new normal. I am sorry but there is not the SLIGHTEST experimental evidence for this. I may not understand advanced physics but one thing I do have is

Re: [Vo]:Taylor Wilson

2012-11-10 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
It would be fun to ask him. Perhaps he doesn't believe in CF/LENR. More likely he has his own list of priorities and doesn't care. The fusion reactor he constructed himself was/is a Fusor. There's lots of information on Fusors on the web. Jeff On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Drowning Trout

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Charles Darwin gets 4000 votes in Georgia

2012-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
All is not lost. See: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/11/vote-for-darwin-write-in-campaign-for-the-dead-scientist-garners-him-4-000-votes/265030/

[Vo]:Bladeless Turbine

2012-11-10 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.saphonenergy.com/ Their video says they are more efficient than coventional than current wind turbines but I don't see how they work.

[Vo]:French:LENR Cities initiative to help LENR development (in France...)

2012-11-10 Thread Alain Sepeda
French:LENR Cities initiative to help LENR development (in France...) On French equivalent of Linked In (viadeo) Michel Vanderberghe announce an initiative LENR cities to help develop LENR in the society... It is targeted to France. Michel is currently looking for French labs interested in

Re: [Vo]:Bladeless Turbine

2012-11-10 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, As far what I understand from it, it does work with a kind of piston in the middle of the dish in the same kind of way how a cylinder in an engine moves back and forth by air pressure. Kind regards, Rob On 10-11-2012 18:07, Terry Blanton wrote: http://www.saphonenergy.com/ Their

Re: [Vo]:Bladeless Turbine

2012-11-10 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Hi, As far what I understand from it, it does work with a kind of piston in the middle of the dish in the same kind of way how a cylinder in an engine moves back and forth by air pressure. So it reciprocates? Sounds

RE: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-10 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell Answer: gain, but LOW gain - and remarkably consistent long -term low-gain. In other words, the new normal. I am sorry but there is not the SLIGHTEST experimental evidence for this. Get some caffeine, or someone will think you have lost the encyclopedia.

Re: [Vo]:Bladeless Turbine

2012-11-10 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Hi, As far what I understand from it, it does work with a kind of piston in the middle of the dish in the same kind of way how a cylinder in an

Re: [Vo]:Bladeless Turbine

2012-11-10 Thread Terry Blanton
Here's the patent app; but, it's in French: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8mt4mJOTGvBeHhrV3YzVFZBNWM/edit

Re: [Vo]:Bladeless Turbine

2012-11-10 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, On 10-11-2012 18:19, Terry Blanton wrote: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Hi, As far what I understand from it, it does work with a kind of piston in the middle of the dish in the same kind of way how a cylinder in an engine moves back and forth

Re: [Vo]:Amusing analysis of CF/LENR in the world

2012-11-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
One of the common pseudoskeptical arguments is that cold fusion believers believe that cold fusion was suppressed. The picture conveyed is that of wild-eyed conspiracy theorists. However, with *very little conspiracy,* cold fusion *was* suppressed, and the story is out in the open, in the

Re: [Vo]:Bladeless Turbine

2012-11-10 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: I wonder if a similar construction with a coil moving around a permanent magnet could work also, such like a loudspeaker but i.s.o. applying energy extracting energy it from it and be still energy efficient. That's

Re: [Vo]:Bladeless Turbine

2012-11-10 Thread David Roberson
An interesting concept. Do you think that they impact the incoming wind with their mechanical design so that it oscillates in and out to drive the piston? A flag appears to generate wave motion from smooth steady wind by some form of positive feedback, perhaps this is somewhat similar. Dave

[Vo]:Rice, Silicon and Lithium

2012-11-10 Thread Terry Blanton
Not the breakfast of champions; but, a bettery (better battery) which triples the capacity of today's: http://news.rice.edu/2012/11/01/rice-team-boosts-silicon-based-batteries-2/ The team led by Rice engineer Sibani Lisa Biswal and research scientist Madhuri Thakur reported in Nature’s open

RE: [Vo]:Bladeless Turbine

2012-11-10 Thread Jones Beene
Good comment, possibly from pitch-polers or other wind-bag oracles: oh good lord... a turbine that puts huge wind force stresses and resonant stresses on a tower... kinda like what I saw out on the Bay the other day - Larry'$ multi-million fail:

Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update

2012-11-10 Thread Axil Axil
This is a suggestion and a request for feedback regarding testing and development of the Papp engine. It seems to me that a potential cost effective way to get the Papp piston instrumented to record how it reacts to experimental detonations of various gas mixtures is to use a Single-Axis, High-g,

Re: [Vo]:Bladeless Turbine

2012-11-10 Thread ken deboer
Just a note re: bladeless turbines A couple years ago I helped a local inventor test his prototype new bladeless turbine. It was a simple little, hand made, 6 inch deal that we got spinning over 15000 rpm with a little steam boiler. He has a patent on it #7824149, and is building now a larger,

Re: [Vo]:Amusing analysis of CF/LENR in the world

2012-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: One of the common pseudoskeptical arguments is that cold fusion believers believe that cold fusion was suppressed. The picture conveyed is that of wild-eyed conspiracy theorists. However, with *very little conspiracy,* cold fusion *was*

[Vo]: Dark Matter Update

2012-11-10 Thread ChemE Stewart
Guys, Just a quick update on my research. I am not a Nuclear Engineer so I fall short there but please accept me for who I am. 1) My research tells me LENR is basically atomic Hydrogen collapsing to a Neutrino, which can then bombard its surroundings, including other hydrogen, triggering +/-

Re: [Vo]:Taylor Wilson

2012-11-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:37 AM 11/10/2012, Drowning Trout wrote: Where is he? and why isn't he contributing to the Vortex collective? On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Jeff Berkowitz mailto:pdx...@gmail.compdx...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Amusing analysis of CF/LENR in the world

2012-11-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:20 AM 11/9/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: I have a friend, very smart guy, who I've been working on over time with occasional CF/LENR tidbits and arguments. Lately he wrote this, and gave me permission to send it along. Perhaps this response will help your friend. So, let's identify all

Re: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Get some caffeine, or someone will think you have lost the encyclopedia… cough, cough… after all, this is only the longest running (by far) validated experiment in the entire field. Fully replicated by NASA at two locations with same results. COP about

[Vo]:High energy protons emissions/Nov.1 Piantelli Patent

2012-11-10 Thread pagnucco
The recent posting on Lenr Forum - http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=58t=837 - refers to the latest (Nov.1) Piantelli WIPO Patent WO/2012/147045A1. See: Title: (WO2012147045) METHOD AND APPARATUS FOR GENERATING ENERGY BY NUCLEAR REACTIONS OF HYDROGEN ADSORBED BY ORBITAL CAPTURE ON A

RE: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-10 Thread Jones Beene
As far as I know - there are no, zero, nada, high-gain Ni-H experiments in the multi-watt power range, lasting for months other than anecdote - at least none with independent validation. Matter of fact, I can think of no published and replicated high-gain multi-watt Ni-H experiment lasting

Re: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-10 Thread ChemE Stewart
Guys, Just a short update on my research: Guys, I am not a Nuclear Engineer so I fall short there but please accept me for who I am. 1) My research tells me LENR is basically atomic Hydrogen collapsing to a Neutrino, which can then bombard its surroundings, including other hydrogen,

Re: [Vo]:Bladeless Turbine

2012-11-10 Thread de Bivort Lawrence
I am fluent in French. Is this worthwhile looking at? Cheers, Lawry On Nov 10, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: Here's the patent app; but, it's in French: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8mt4mJOTGvBeHhrV3YzVFZBNWM/edit

Re: [Vo]:French:LENR Cities initiative to help LENR development (in France...)

2012-11-10 Thread Peter Gluck
The idea is good, it was already used in Italy, I have participated at 2 symposiums organized by the town Grottammare, many participants from the industry (Chambre de Commerce) and the press was also present. Invited speakers Hal Fox (R.i.P.) and I Peter 2012/11/10 Alain Sepeda

Re: [Vo]:Amusing analysis of CF/LENR in the world

2012-11-10 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: (The claims of public demonstrations by Rossi are *all* marred, so far, by possible error or fraud modes that were overlooked at the time, and Rossi has consistently refused support by people like Jed Rothwell, who

[Vo]:Wow! Pointed questioning of the foundations of physics

2012-11-10 Thread William Beaty
There's an excellent and large collection of physics essay entries over at the 2012 FQXi essay contest. (Rats! Entries are closed, finalists already selected!) Contest, which of our basic physical assumptions are wrong? http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1263 the essays

Re: [Vo]:High energy protons emissions/Nov.1 Piantelli Patent

2012-11-10 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:11 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Also, the document claims that high energy protons are emitted (6.7 MeV from Ni, page 4). I believe Piantelli has recorded high energy protons from previous experiments, even hours after the experiment finished. Has this been

Re: [Vo]:Bladeless Turbine

2012-11-10 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: looks that way... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2IeCJiddQg That was hilarious. I enjoyed that a lot. I cannot believe that's real. Eric

[Vo]:MFMP : Hydrogen Loading Started

2012-11-10 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/114-hydrogen-loading-commenced

Re: [Vo]:High energy protons emissions/Nov.1 Piantelli Patent

2012-11-10 Thread pagnucco
The paper is quite long. Perhaps I am misunderstanding some of it, but I think the claim is that proton capture occurs as the major energy source. Hasn't Takahashi shown it's pretty unlikely? Also, I could be recalling incorrectly, but haven't Rossi/Focardi changed their opinion on this? And,

Re: [Vo]:MFMP : Hydrogen Loading Started

2012-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
I love the way these people are making this stuff public. Almost in real time! - Jed

Re: [Vo]:High energy protons emissions/Nov.1 Piantelli Patent

2012-11-10 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 1:47 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: The paper is quite long. Perhaps I am misunderstanding some of it, but I think the claim is that proton capture occurs as the major energy source. Hasn't Takahashi shown it's pretty unlikely? If you or anyone else knows of a

Re: [Vo]:Bladeless Turbine

2012-11-10 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:00 PM, de Bivort Lawrence ldebiv...@gmail.com wrote: I am fluent in French. Is this worthwhile looking at? Mais non. The video was sufficient.

Re: [Vo]:MFMP : Hydrogen Loading Started

2012-11-10 Thread David Roberson
I can not wait to get some accurate data to analyze! These guys are doing fantastic work and I greatly appreciate it. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Nov 10, 2012 5:06 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:MFMP : Hydrogen

Re: [Vo]:MFMP : Hydrogen Loading Started

2012-11-10 Thread Axil Axil
Real time fully documented on YouTube LERN based open source experimentation has many advantages. The downsides of this noble behavior are the loss of intellectual property, large piles of money, and the Nobel Prize. Cheers: Axil On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Jed Rothwell

Re: [Vo]:High energy protons emissions/Nov.1 Piantelli Patent

2012-11-10 Thread pagnucco
Eric, I cannot identify the correct theory, but in case you haven't seen a couple of Takahashi's publications, see - Are Ni+H Nuclear-Reactions Possible www.iscmns.org/work10/TakahashiAarenihnucl.ppt and the related - Physics of Cold Fusion by TSC Theory http://vixra.org/pdf/1209.0091v1.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

2012-11-10 Thread Terry Blanton
Geeze, cavitation and Papp association. I really must welcome all the folks who have joined us in the past couple of years!

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

2012-11-10 Thread David Roberson
A thought just occurred to me. If the ionic crystals are riding upon a force generated by the Casimir effect, does this represent some form of reactionless force? What is pushed in the opposite direction to compensate for the momentum of the LeClair crystals? It appears that they exhibit

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

2012-11-10 Thread Axil Axil
The crystal, moving at supersonic and greater speeds, is surrounding by a bow shock like a fighter plane. This supersonic speed is determined by the speed of sound of the material that carries the shockwave. The positively charged crystal is attracted to its own negatively charged bow shock by the

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

2012-11-10 Thread David Roberson
The process appears very interesting but I still do not understand what material is forced to move in opposition to the high energy forward accelerating crystal. If the electrons are the source of the energy, then they would slow down quickly as the energy is fed to the ions I would suspect.

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

2012-11-10 Thread Axil Axil
The following paper has a video at it bottom that shows what a vortex shaped plasmoid looks like when it hits the substrate (piston) http://arxiv.org/pdf/0910.3175 On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The crystal, moving at supersonic and greater speeds, is

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

2012-11-10 Thread Axil Axil
The bow shock does not respond with an equal and opposite force because of a proposed conflict between Newton’s classical First Law of Motion with the quantum theory based Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal. The Heisenberg Principal states that highly fixed objects must exhibit a proportionally