Re: [Vo]:Netherlands food exports

>No, the sources are clear. This is the export of food grown in Holland. It >does not include food transshipped through. Here's a source. $55 billion, of which $7b is flowers, and the rest of the majority is trans-shipments, according to the USDA. "World exports in agricultural products total

Re: [Vo]:ENTANGLEMENT THRESHOLDS FOR RANDOM INDUCED STATES

On another thread, Edmund Storms posted how many nuclear fusion atoms must take place to generate 1 Watt of power. We can work backwords from that number, knowing that a certain number of Watts are generated. Then we know how many atoms/second are fusing. From that calculation you can figure out

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

It may have been that LENR is too complex for biology to have taken advantage of it. Also it may have caused DNA damage too difficult to overcome for biological systems. Either way, the fact that it is not widespread is accepted, but arguing from that fact that biological systems should be one wa

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

I'm saying that the process of energy release requires many quanta, each with a small energy, to be released during the fusion process. These photons have too little energy for many to leave the apparatus. Heat is generated as they are absorbed by the material. This condition is basic to t

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 9 Jun 2013 19:04:25 -0400: Hi, [snip] >A better reference: > >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110906144558.htm This appears to refer to bacteria chemically processing the waste, not actual remediation of the radioactive content. Regards, Robi

Re: [Vo]:Netherlands food exports

wrote: I realize that whoever wrote the article believed that to be true, but they > had > to get their figures from somewhere, and I suspect they used government > sources, > which they may not have completely understood. > The information I quoted came from The Dutch Ministry of Economic Affai

Re: [Vo]:Netherlands food exports

In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sun, 9 Jun 2013 22:10:11 -0400: Hi Jed, I realize that whoever wrote the article believed that to be true, but they had to get their figures from somewhere, and I suspect they used government sources, which they may not have completely understood. > wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Netherlands food exports

Here's an interesting page with video of a Dutch indoor farming project. All light comes from LEDs. http://singularityhub.com/2011/08/14/dutch-plantlab-revolutionizes-farming-no-sunlight-no-windows-less-water-better-food/ On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Eric Walker wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Netherlands food exports

Eric Walker wrote: > I like the high-tech approach to agriculture, but the hazmat suites and > the water sterilization seem a little anachronistic -- like a 1960s take on > what the future will be like. > Apparently it reduces spoilage. They do not do anything there by accident or without caref

Re: [Vo]:Netherlands food exports

wrote: > Holland is also a major export port for a large part of Europe, and does a > lot > of trade. So the export figures could include agricultural products > imported > from other European countries as well as those produced locally. > No, the sources are clear. This is the export of food g

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

So if I understand your argument correctly, even though the detected energy flux of high energy photons/particles has been minuscule compared to the total energy measured from LENR experiments, it is still enough to account for substantial biological disruption at the scales of metabolic energy nec

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

On Jun 9, 2013, at 6:27 PM, James Bowery wrote: The idea that emitted radiation from LENR is harmful to organisms runs counter to most thought about LENR energy release. I'm not saying most thought about LENR energy is right, you understand -- I'm just saying that if we explain away this

Re: [Vo]:Netherlands food exports

On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > I like the high-tech approach to agriculture, but the hazmat suites and the > water sterilization seem a little anachronistic I imagine the suits are to protect from mold spore. Many times I have seen a loaf of bread begin to grow five green

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

We don't even know if the biological transmutation of elements has a COP > 1. We aren't even positive if the biological transmutation of elements is even real, but I believe that it is. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:21 PM, James Bowery wrote: > Material strengths are measured in units of the physic

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

The idea that emitted radiation from LENR is harmful to organisms runs counter to most thought about LENR energy release. I'm not saying most thought about LENR energy is right, you understand -- I'm just saying that if we explain away this "miracle" by that means, we should certainly question suc

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

Material strengths are measured in units of the physical dimension pressure. All evolution would have to do is concentrate nano-scale materials of the right strength and composition. That seems plausible as, for example, magnetite crystals have been found widely in organisms

Re: [Vo]:Netherlands food exports

I wrote: I like the high-tech approach to agriculture, but the hazmat suites and the > water sterilization seem a little anachronistic -- like a 1960s take on > what the future will be like. The view here in California looks a little > different, with the farmers' markets and the locavore movemen

Re: [Vo]:Netherlands food exports

In reply to mix...@bigpond.com's message of Mon, 10 Jun 2013 09:03:25 +1000: Hi, [snip] >In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sun, 9 Jun 2013 17:14:34 -0400: >Hi, >[snip] > >Holland is also a major export port for a large part of Europe, and does a lot ...I probably should have said "Rotterdam

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

A better reference: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110906144558.htm On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > How bacteria stabilize nuclear waste: > > > http://news.discovery.com/tech/biotechnology/how-bacteria-clean-up-nuclear-waste-110909.htm > > > On Sun, Jun 9, 2013

Re: [Vo]:Netherlands food exports

In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sun, 9 Jun 2013 17:14:34 -0400: Hi, [snip] Holland is also a major export port for a large part of Europe, and does a lot of trade. So the export figures could include agricultural products imported from other European countries as well as those produced loca

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

How bacteria stabilize nuclear waste: http://news.discovery.com/tech/biotechnology/how-bacteria-clean-up-nuclear-waste-110909.htm On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: > The LENR energy source has a down side. It is not a source of free energy > to a biological system. The emitt

Re: [Vo]:Netherlands food exports

I wrote: People will want cheese produced on a farm nearby rather than > shipped across the country and loaded with preservatives to keep it from > going bad. > That was a bad example; I doubt cheese goes bad like that -- the normal kind, anyway. But the general idea still applies. Eric

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

The LENR energy source has a down side. It is not a source of free energy to a biological system. The emitted radiation would be obviously harmful. Consequently, the source would be only employed when this is the only way to avoid death. Fortunately, evolution has found better ways to get e

Re: [Vo]:Netherlands food exports

On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: The people picking crops wear haz mat suits and ride on electric cars that > rise up to the high end of the vines. A robot train of picked crops threads > its way to the processing building. Pretty soon I expect robots will also > pick the crops

RE: [Vo]:Heat pipes

my problem has been if I get the heat out too fast, then the reaction stops. These things like to stay warm. I do not have the technical ablity to make many massive control systems. I am doing well just to have one path and one system D2 Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 18:22:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:

Re: [Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

It may be a matter of pressure. I would look at the bugs near thermal heat vents at the bottom of the ocean or deep underground when the temperature exceeds boiling for adaptation to LENR. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:15 PM, James Bowery wrote: > The subject say it all, really: 'Yet Another LENR "

Re: [Vo]:Heat pipes

I assumed one could control the flow of vapor by using some sort of computer controlled valve with and adjustable opening capability. Am I wrong in that assumption? A microcontroller can supervise the temperature of N number of heat pipes if the polling cycle is fast enough. A very good heat r

[Vo]:Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It

The subject say it all, really: 'Yet Another LENR "Miracle": Evolution Didn't Find It' If an energy source as abundant and ubiquitous as LENR appears to be exists, why wouldn't evolution have found ways of creating the NAE (nuclear active environment)? If you say "It did." then you have to expl

Re: [Vo]:Superabsorbers

In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 9 Jun 2013 08:56:37 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Hydrogen seems to "disappear" but in fact it has "shrunk" down in effective >volume to a state where its increased magnetic susceptibility can draw it >deep into the valence cloud of a ferromagnetic atom (nickel). The

RE: [Vo]:Netherlands food exports

So in 2012 each Dutch agricultural worker generated an average personal export revenue of 112'276 Euros, in addition to the local produce for the Dutch market. Charles From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 June 2013 23:15 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:N

RE: [Vo]:Netherlands food exports

one interesting Dutch technology is Perfotec- they laser drill microscopic holes in plastic bags to give just the right balance of CO2, O2, H20 transpiration to keep the veggies fresh twice or so as long during shipment. Nothing like it in the US - yet. The match the holes with the specific cr

RE: [Vo]:Heat pipes

you might want to look back at my Jun 4 vortex post under a couple hundred bucks... I am working on using heat pipes to extract heat. I have having to use a "variable heat conductive path". You have to balance the heat extraction with the keeping the system at working temperature. I have been tr

Re: [Vo]:Netherlands food exports

Harry Veeder wrote: > That is hard to believe. Perhaps they mean second largest food exporter > per capita? > No, the second largest in the world. I think measured in dollar value of the exports, not food tonnage. Amazing, isn't it? A little country with 16 million people. They also export th

Re: [Vo]:Heat pipes

Yes, apparently safe (although using UZrH not UH3). What I was questioning is whether the hydrogen desorbtion at high temperature really does control the reaction by changing the neutron moderation rate, or whether something else is happening (which equally controls reaction rate). It is not th

Re: [Vo]:Heat pipes

Why are light power dense LENR power plants necessary? A Boeing 747 engine produces 25 megawatts of power per combustion turbine. Twenty-five megawatts is the equivalent of about 33,500 horsepower. The Pratt & Whitney jet engines used in Boeing 747s produce about 55,000 pounds of thrust on take-

Re: [Vo]:Netherlands food exports

It includes bulbs and cut flowers - but agriculture only employs 4% of the population! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands#Agriculture I must admit I find a lot ot admire about the Dutch way of doing things. - Leo From: Harry Veeder > That is hard t

Re: [Vo]:Heat pipes

Early Los Alamos heat pipes contained water or sodium. In the mid-1980s, Los Alamos developed a lithium heat pipe that transferred heat energy at a power density of 23 kilowatts per square centimeter—to understand the intensity of that amount of heat energy, consider that the heat emitted from the

Re: [Vo]:Heat pipes

Rossi would need a container ship to do the same thing. This is not good for a utility. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > Someday a 50 to 100 kilowatt lithium based heat tube integrated heat pipe > and LERN reaction chamber whose dimensions are an inch in diameter and a > foot

Re: [Vo]:Netherlands food exports

On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > This may be a little off topic but anyway . . . On NHK the other day I saw > a documentary about food exports and high-tech agriculture in the > Netherlands. Here is a web page about it: > > http://www.hollandtrade.com/sector-information/agric

Re: [Vo]:Heat pipes

Someday a 50 to 100 kilowatt lithium based heat tube integrated heat pipe and LERN reaction chamber whose dimensions are an inch in diameter and a foot long made of zirconium. It will be connected to a vapor heat transfer bus to the heat exchanger and serviceable by hot swap out. This heat pipe wi

Re: [Vo]:Heat pipes

Pumping hydrogen through hot granulated uranium metal?  No wonder there is a reaction.  And the negative feedback UH3 moderator theory sounds a bit vague. If this was developed in the 1950s as an enhanced trigger in the Upshot-Knothole tests - then LLNL may have stumbled upon LENR without reali

[Vo]:Netherlands food exports

This may be a little off topic but anyway . . . On NHK the other day I saw a documentary about food exports and high-tech agriculture in the Netherlands. Here is a web page about it: http://www.hollandtrade.com/sector-information/agriculture-and-food/ This is mind-boggling. The Netherlands is an

Re: [Vo]:Heat pipes

The heat transfer contact is very good because it is made by quantum effects caused by the BEC. I believe that the powder is super-fluidic. That means that the hydrogen gas and the powder and maybe even the containment tube are the same temperature (exothermic). On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Te

Re: [Vo]:Reifenschweiler effect rediscovered in Japan

That seems speculative. Do we have any proof of that? It may be a completely different decay pathway. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > The BEC formed by the nanoparticles shields the gamma rays produced by the > acceleration of half life radiation relaxation rates. But the b

Re: [Vo]:Heat pipes

Major problem is that it is hot powder than needs to transfer its heat. It simply has a bad contact with the heat exchanger.

Re: [Vo]:Reifenschweiler effect rediscovered in Japan

leaking pen wrote: > vice versa. if it is decreasing the half life, it is INCREASING the > reaction rate, it's decaying faster. > Yikes! Of course. Time for another cup of coffee. I guess I was thinking that after the test the sample would heat up less, since there is less tritium in it. - Je

Re: [Vo]:Reifenschweiler effect rediscovered in Japan

On Jun 9, 2013, at 11:55, leaking pen wrote: > vice versa. if it is decreasing the half life, it is INCREASING the reaction > rate, it's decaying faster. Which, I believe, is more dangerous in the short term, and is desirable in the longer term, because it means the radiation given off will d

Re: [Vo]:Reifenschweiler effect rediscovered in Japan

vice versa. if it is decreasing the half life, it is INCREASING the reaction rate, it's decaying faster. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I wrote: "I don't know much about nuclear physics, but wouldn't it be > endothermic?" > > "Endothermic" is the wrong word. It would not

Re: [Vo]:Reifenschweiler effect rediscovered in Japan

The BEC formed by the nanoparticles shields the gamma rays produced by the acceleration of half life radiation relaxation rates. But the beta release of electrons still occurs along with neutrino release. Alpha decay produces particles with little energy so no bad side effects come from there. On

Re: [Vo]:Reifenschweiler effect rediscovered in Japan

On the contrary. If the half life is cut down to 2 months from 30 years, the reaction rate is increased 180x. That means Cesium 137 would be much more dangerous. But somehow, it is not and the hazard disappeared. 2013/6/9 Jed Rothwell > I meant it would release less heat, since fewer reactions

Re: [Vo]:Reifenschweiler effect rediscovered in Japan

I wrote: "I don't know much about nuclear physics, but wouldn't it be endothermic?" "Endothermic" is the wrong word. It would not absorb heat. I meant it would release less heat, since fewer reactions occur. It slows down the reaction rate. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

There is a long way to go yet. Dr. Szilard patented the nuclear reaction back in the 1930s. These was a lot to do after that point in nuclear energy development. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > If Kim et al have now explained CF then there is nothing left for me to > say o

Re: [Vo]:Reifenschweiler effect rediscovered in Japan

The other forms of LENR can be used to stabilize radioactive decay. Cavitation and electrical discharge(patented by Ken Shoulders) have also been shown to effect half life. Certain microbes that use charge separation in their metabolisms can effect radioactive half life. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

If Kim et al have now explained CF then there is nothing left for me to say on this subject. Harry On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Alain Sepeda wrote: > What I have understood is that momentum conservation is a shortcut, > uncounscious to "free space" physicists. It mean "gamma" as one particle

Re: [Vo]:Reifenschweiler effect rediscovered in Japan

Mark Gibbs wrote: Are there any indications the Reifenschweiler effect produces excess heat > along with the decrease in radioactivity? I don't know much about nuclear physics, but wouldn't it be endothermic? Kind of the opposite of cold fusion. I have never heard of anyone doing calorimetry w

[Vo]:Reifenschweiler effect rediscovered in Japan

Are there any indications the Reifenschweiler effect produces excess heat along with the decrease in radioactivity? [m] On Sunday, June 9, 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I do not see where I can add a comment to that article in ColdFusionNow > but anyway, here are three papers from Otto: > > http:/

Re: [Vo]:Reifenschweiler effect rediscovered in Japan

I do not see where I can add a comment to that article in ColdFusionNow but anyway, here are three papers from Otto: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Reifenschwcoldfusion.pdf http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Reifenschwsomeexperi.pdf http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Reifenschwreducedrad.pdf - Jed

[Vo]:Reifenschweiler effect rediscovered in Japan

It keeps popping up! They rediscovered it while treating contaminated soil and other radwaste from the Fukushima disaster. See: http://coldfusionnow.org/nanoscale-ag-may-decrease-the-radiation-of-cesium-134-and-137-by-lenr-transmutation/ - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Heat pipes

By the way, one of the reasons that the helium cooled pebble bed reactor design never made it in the utility nuclear reactor marketplace was its poor power density and “economies of scale” characteristics compared to light water reactor designs. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Axil Axil wrote

[Vo]:Heat pipes

I have spent a good deal of time thinking about fission reactor design and I have some opinions as these ideas apply to large scale LENR power stations. What makes for a competitive and cost effective reactor design is copious power density. When you try to sell a reactor design to an electric uti

RE: [Vo]:Superabsorbers

The observation that the Rossi HotCat could be operating as a crude resonator tube - may not have struck a chord with everyone here... at least not yet. Understandable - since it may not be readily apparent how that benefits the situation, even if true. However, methinks the idea of a coherent res

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

What I have understood is that momentum conservation is a shortcut, uncounscious to "free space" physicists. It mean "gamma" as one particle to compensate momentum. In lattice, momentum can be dissipated in many way, moreover particles are so bound to other particle that the allowed change/excitat