Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread David Roberson
If the spaceman can detect the microwave photons exiting the cavity with lots of momentum the drive would not be considered reactionless. A true reactionless drive does not exhaust any significant form of matter or energy that can be detected by the guy when it operates. Of course heat can

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread David Roberson
Another idea based on the same concept, some forms of energy do not seem to contribute to rest mass, I doubt a compressed spring would have a different rest mass due to it's energy storage than the same spring uncompressed. Actually the spring is supposed to have a greater amount of rest mass

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread John Berry
Ok, so a charged battery is more massive than a discharged battery... A bowling ball on a shelf is more massive than the same bowling ball on the ground (greater potential energy). A spring compressed or stretched is more massive than one under no tension. I was wondering as I typed the

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread John Berry
Just to clarify that further, if the mass of something depended on it's energy, and if that includes potential energy then anything that provides potential energy to other objects increases the potential of every object that could fall into this potential field at any at any point. And since some

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Bob, well said, I would only add that this is also not a matter of ejecting mass but energy consumed to directionalize an existing media like an airplane or boat prop re-directionalize air or water - it is giving the spacecraft linkage to the ether against which it can simply push. Although

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread Bob Cook
David-- If Dirac was correct about his negative energy sea containing epos with its below energy electron-positron pairs (epos), then there might be negative energy momentum--my term--as well, which is where the momentum of virtual particles in the spaceman's 3-D space disappear to upon

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread Bob Cook
David-- You stated: After the drive is shut down the ship stops accelerating and comes to rest in space. Even though the new velocity is different than the old one before the drive operates, a guy onboard the ship can not determine that he is moving. Yes he can determine he is moving. All

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread Roarty, Francis X
There is ambiguity here based upon a 3D vs 4D perspective but maybe some of these patents regarding remediation of radioactive gas in a catalyst could shed some light. I would posit that this reaction is actually based upon relativistic effects on radioactive gas when local vacuum wavelengths

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread David Roberson
Bob, consider the following sequence of maneuvers taken by the spaceship and the guy within. First, he decided to move in one direction for an extended length of time. Then he decides to return to his starting point by reversing the drive. After all of his mechanizations the final result is

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread David Roberson
Yes, he can determine that he has changed velocity by looking outside the ship at other objects. That is why I proposed the recent posting where he returns to the original location and velocity. That procedure counters the thought that a final velocity change can obscure any problems due to

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread Bob Cook
David-- The guy need only account for the loss of mass energy by adding the amount of energy transferred to the negative energy sea. Of course, if he does not consider a negative energy sea exists, he cannot properly account. He is stuck with an observation that makes no sense to him. His

Re: [Vo]:Who could it be???

2014-11-24 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/24/prometeon-srl-addresses-e-cat-licensee-status/ Someone has taken customers away from Rossi and IH, who could it be? This alterative to Rossi must be well known on the LENR street. Jed, with your ear so close to the ground, you must know who this Rossi

Re: [Vo]:How to bring people around...

2014-11-24 Thread Lennart Thornros
OK John, I can see the need for salt. Lots of it. Otherwise I think we are saying the same thing. The motivation to act must come from an inside resource. Getting good grades and an easy entrance to a good job is motivation with incentives (from outside resources). However, if a person has a

Re: [Vo]:ecat license buyback Prometion statement

2014-11-24 Thread Alan Fletcher
A very condemning statement from Promethion (E-Cat licensee) --- they had 1MW orders, but Rossi wouldn't complete them. http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/24/prometeon-srl-addresses-e-cat-licensee-status/

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread David Roberson
When the ship was moving in one direction only we calculate that all of the missing mass ends up as kinetic energy of the ship. But now that two directions are used and we end up at the original starting point and velocity we decide that all of that energy is imparted to the negative energy

Re: [Vo]:How to bring people around...

2014-11-24 Thread John Berry
That is a good point. If a few of the right people with very high trust capital were to pronounce that cold fusion, or some model of the aether (by any name) was correct, there would be a large number sit up and take notice. But it must be trust and not popularity, Tom Cruise isn't making fans

Re: [Vo]:ecat license buyback Prometion statement

2014-11-24 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Promising that to the public in general is one thing. Signing contracts with partners is another. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi not a serious businessman, promising more than what he can deliver? Cherokee not tender with others companies,

Re: [Vo]:Who could it be???

2014-11-24 Thread Alain Sepeda
Not sure it is a group with a working or promising reactor... 2014-11-24 18:29 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/24/prometeon-srl-addresses-e-cat-licensee-status/ Someone has taken customers away from Rossi and IH, who could it be? This alterative to

Re: [Vo]:ecat license buyback Prometion statement

2014-11-24 Thread Alain Sepeda
Rossi not a serious businessman, promising more than what he can deliver? Cherokee not tender with others companies, trying to close competitors? is it so surprising? 2014-11-24 18:44 GMT+01:00 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com: A very condemning statement from Promethion (E-Cat licensee) --- they

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-11-24 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Probability now at 35% based on allegations of what I consider to be fraud from a partner. http://rossiisreal.wordpress.com/2014/11/24/probability-now-35-based-on-allegations-of-fraud/ On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze exhibits his

Re: [Vo]:Who could it be???

2014-11-24 Thread Axil Axil
luca gamberale? On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure it is a group with a working or promising reactor... 2014-11-24 18:29 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com:

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread John Berry
David, I take it you now accept that energy can be stored without increasing mass? I can see you have avoided tackling the subject so I assume this is an admission that you can't. This then means we can produce a reactionless drive by changing between forms of energy that do and do not

[Vo]:Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry revised

2014-11-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
I made some revisions to my Report on Mizuno's Adiabatic Calorimetry. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJreportonmi.pdf On page 15 I added a photograph of the equipment with the aluminum foil tent over it. On page 24 I added a discussion of heat from the circulation pump. The key point is:

Re: [Vo]:Who could it be???

2014-11-24 Thread Alain Sepeda
no, if you search you see many LENr startup without much concrete but sometime with good network, good team, and thus potential to build a technology. 2014-11-24 20:20 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: luca gamberale? On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread David Roberson
John, I suspect that you are reading my lack of answer the wrong way. I have been quite busy writing a post about how to test an ECAT like device during a lot of that time. Pushing a mass against gravity is a way to store potential energy. Without going into details I suspect that energy

Re: [Vo]:Who could it be???

2014-11-24 Thread Axil Axil
Putting two and two together, the competition has uncovered the Rossi secret and is a dangerous competitor for the E-Cat. you said that “We cannot feed more information to our competition, which now is very powerful”. My question is: how can any competitor be powerful without knowing the core

[Vo]:Q-Drives -EMF

2014-11-24 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex-L, Not sure how valid the Volfson patent is but the Taylor Patent is cited within the Volfson. http://www.google.com/patents/US6960975 I called the patent attorney for Taylor...his comment...which I think is correct: Taylor was found dead in the desert! Taylor patent was issued

Re: [Vo]:Who could it be???

2014-11-24 Thread Axil Axil
An answer from Mats Lewin @Axil I really don’t know if there’s any particular competitor. My experience is that those kind of statements from Rossi are often not based on any exact details. Could as well be to mislead. However, if Rossi’s E-Cat works, there should be several groups trying to

[Vo]:Characterization of LENR Devices

2014-11-24 Thread David Roberson
I have been conducting numerous simulations of the expected behavior of a thermally controlled energy source such as the HotCat designed by Rossi. Now I have constructed a technique that can be utilized to characterize a design and determine many of its important parameters. It would be

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread Bob Cook
David-- In your going and coming trip: The spaceman uses energy by speeding up and slowing down in each direction--going out and coming back. He notices a loss of mass to somewhere, but not account for by any particles or mass he can measure that has left the space craft in going and coming

Re: [Vo]:Who could it be???

2014-11-24 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.nichenergy.com/

Re: [Vo]:Who could it be???

2014-11-24 Thread Terry Blanton
I'd put my money on Piantelli. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nichenergy.com/

Re: [Vo]:Who could it be???

2014-11-24 Thread Patrick Ellul
Re nichenergy.com Registered to Alessandro Meiarini Of http://patents.justia.com/inventor/alessandro-meiarini ​ Regards, patrick

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread David Roberson
I suppose that if one can assume that mass can just vanish into somewhere without leaving a trace that it may be possible for a drive of this sort to operate. It is easy for the guy on the ship to detect that he is accelerating which takes a force and therefore energy from somewhere. That

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-11-24 Thread Kevin O'Malley
I am decreasign my ASSessment of an ASSurance that Blaze will pull his head out of his ASinine hind quarters from 6.59% down to 6.4%. SSDD from Blaze. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Probability now at 35% based on allegations of what I

RE: [Vo]:Thus spoke Dr. Mills, and thus have I

2014-11-24 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Jones, Nice effort. Hope springs eternal. Thanx, I've had a couple of Vort editors privately point out some grammatical mistakes in my document. (I expected there would be a few.) The most blatant error and by far the most embarrassing that has been pointed out so far is the fact that I

Re: [Vo]:Who could it be???

2014-11-24 Thread Terry Blanton
*Inventors: *Alessandro MEIARINI, Silvia PIANTELLI, Leonardo CIAMPOLI, Fabio CHELLINI On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote: Re nichenergy.com Registered to Alessandro Meiarini Of http://patents.justia.com/inventor/alessandro-meiarini ​ Regards,

Re: [Vo]:Who could it be???

2014-11-24 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.rexresearch.com/piantelli/piantelli.htm On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: *Inventors: *Alessandro MEIARINI, Silvia PIANTELLI, Leonardo CIAMPOLI, Fabio CHELLINI On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote:

RE: [Vo]:Thus spoke Dr. Mills, and thus have I

2014-11-24 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Corrections made to document. Now dated: Nov 24, 2014. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread Bob Cook
David-- Pair production, which I assume you agree is real, creates mass from empty space. What is the source of this mass, or the equivalent energy? What is the mechanism that makes this happen? The parameter of spin associated with the electron and the positron that are produced in the

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread David Roberson
Pair production is fairly well established from what I have read. In that case energy is converted into mass but I do not recall any mention of the real pair appearing without some type of input. In particle accelerators mass is created in the form of new particles from the energy contained

Re: [Vo]:Who could it be???

2014-11-24 Thread Bob Cook
I agree. All the inventors have been working for a long time on LENR and knew Focardi as a fellow scientist--at least Piantelli and Chellini did. Milan and Bologna have been the hotbed for this science. Bob - Original Message - From: Terry Blanton To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread Axil Axil
please see http://www.phys.uconn.edu/~dunne/dunne_schwinger.html *The Schwinger effect: non-perturbative vacuum pair production* On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: David-- Pair production, which I assume you agree is real, creates mass from empty

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread Axil Axil
more... http://arxiv.org/pdf/1106.5965.pdf On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: please see http://www.phys.uconn.edu/~dunne/dunne_schwinger.html *The Schwinger effect: non-perturbative vacuum pair production* On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Bob Cook

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread Bob Cook
That is a great link. Axil thanks. The voltage requirement may be reached in SPP's as they collapse and their intense magnetic field changes rapidly. Has the voltage between two pair electrons or protons been calculated. The electric field must be pretty great up close to a pair of

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread Axil Axil
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1409.1032v1.pdf A EMF field that equals or exceeds the mass equivalent of a meson (140 MeV) will produce mesons from the vacuum. This is the cold fusion mechanism in a nutshell. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: That is a great

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread Bob Cook
Axil-- You mean we just stumbled on it? Inside the nutshell that is? Bob - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply. http://arxiv.org/pdf/1409.1032v1.pdf A EMF field that

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-24 Thread Bob Cook
I've thought enough--I'm headed for bed--:) - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply. http://arxiv.org/pdf/1409.1032v1.pdf A EMF field that equals or exceeds the mass

[Vo]:Stupid thought...

2014-11-24 Thread John Berry
Ok, so I am not super optimistic that current physics is right about quite a lot... But there is a strong line of reasoning that light should create some degree of gravity. And as such, then enough light in a small enough space should create a black hole. And if that is so, then higher

Re: [Vo]:Stupid thought...

2014-11-24 Thread Axil Axil
http://inspirehep.net/record/1118984/files/arXiv%3A1206.4276.pdf *Analog Hawking radiation from an acoustic black hole in a flowing polariton superuid* We theoretically study Hawking radiation processes from an analog acoustic black hole in a flowing superuid of exciton-polaritons in a