Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread mixent
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Tue, 13 Oct 2015 17:27:54 -0500: Hi, [snip] >In this case, it seems like the release of energy of the alpha emitter is >efficiently transmitted into mechanical energy by way of the expanding >ionized gas. Any increase in temperature as the gas recondenses

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread mixent
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Tue, 13 Oct 2015 20:47:08 -0500: Hi, [snip] >On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 8:42 PM, wrote: > >..so Feynman pulled the plug on a non-existent engine, that then can't >> possibly >> have exploded (because it didn't exist), and hence there was no

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.google.com/patents/US3977191 The AIROPS engine is a noble gas engine like the Papp engine. This uses UV to produce plasma expansion just like Holmlid does. The heart of the Papp engine was the production of excess electrons that was used to drive the spark that moved the other piston.

RE: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com > You seem to be conflating Holmlid with CQM, Robin. Actually I was conflating it with IRH. Regardless, if one wants to get energy from somewhere, then an explanation of the source of that energy needs to be found. If 50 eV UV is released

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: If he knew our trick, one of these naturally occurring isotopes might > have done the trick: > Since tungsten is in the list, and in our day to day experience it does not decay under alpha decay when we excited it with electrons, I'm guessing the Q value has to be above a certain

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Guys, Did the Papp engine need to be cranked like an ICE? If so I am thinking mechanical energy is the bootstrap source of energy. The noble gases forming menisci around other, plasma forming gases, that collapse rapidly as the engine is cranked like bubbles in sonoluminesce. The alpha emitter

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread Bob Higgins
It seems like a reciprocating Papp engine would need to have a cyclic pressurization, not something the continually increases pressure as you are describing. I thought the reported mechanism had a way to catalyze pressure increase electrically and then the pressure returned to the prior lower

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread Roarty, Francis X
I think the energy source is zero point , the down stoke compressing the noble gases into layers of flat menisci surrounding other exotic gases that react to the collapsing menisci like moving Casimir plates. Effectively changing their inertial frame via vacuum engineering. … IMHO :_) Fran

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Bob Higgins wrote: It seems like a reciprocating Papp engine would need to have a cyclic > pressurization, not something the continually increases pressure as you are > describing. I thought the reported mechanism had a way to catalyze

[Vo]:LENR - who needs it?

2015-10-13 Thread Jones Beene
Most of this came out in 2004, but somehow has been ignored by LENR proponents, not to mention the mainstream of physics. Maybe that oversight is because of one implication, which can be interpreted as this: LENR –who needs it? :-) Which is to say: LENR is nice, but if one can manufacture

Re: [Vo]:Cross section reduction at lower energies

2015-10-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 3:12 AM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe < stefan.ita...@gmail.com> wrote: >In the model of infinitesimally thin orbitspheres with a charge > distribution >described by spherical harmonics, how does Mills account for > electron >degeneracy levels? Are they explained by having

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: Interesting speculation: when Feynman pulled the power chord on the engine > and it continued to run, what he disabled was a coolant system. > I suppose he might have both pulled a power cord and a power chord. Eric

Re: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race

2015-10-13 Thread Lennart Thornros
Mark and Steven, I think you both miss the point. 'You think the dollars spent on election campaigns are a non-issue. I think it is terrible to spend money to be informed of two candidates with almost the same agenda. Yes we spend money - if nothing else we talk about tax free contributions. More

RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race

2015-10-13 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Mark, I'm impressed by your earnestness in wanting to get clarification. I'll just focus on one exchange. What motivated me to go on the offensive, so to speak, was the first comment you made, which was: > The NYT article is so blatantly one-sided, but of course, you know that... > at

[Vo]:tomorrow PdD event, today surprisingly poor Info crop

2015-10-13 Thread Peter Gluck
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/10/oct-13-2015-lenr-history-cat-in-cradle.html best wishes, Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread mixent
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Tue, 13 Oct 2015 00:43:45 -0500: Hi Eric, I meant, "I doubt there was enough of it in the engine". One of his patents might tell you how much was used. >On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:30 PM, wrote: > >> I doubt there was enough of it (but

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread mixent
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Tue, 13 Oct 2015 01:31:18 -0500: Hi, Generally speaking the fission barrier gets lower as the element gets heavier, which is why 235U can be split with a single neutron. >I wrote: > >If he knew our trick, one of these naturally occurring isotopes might >>

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread Bob Higgins
It would be interesting to consider, the use of a Holmlid condensation of hydrogen in conjunction with a mechanical engine. Suppose we had initially an empty piston and cylinder with the piston at top dead center and having a surface designed to support a Holmlid dense hydrogen film. The intake

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread David Roberson
I agree with what you guys are saying about some form of cyclic pressure function. Of course I can imagine that a significant temperature pulse might be present when the piston is near its maximum compression point. The following expansion inside the cylinder should allow the gas

Re: [Vo]:LENR - who needs it?

2015-10-13 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 13 Oct 2015 08:42:43 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Most of this came out in 2004, but somehow has been ignored by LENR >proponents, not to mention the mainstream of physics. Maybe that oversight is >because of one implication, which can be interpreted as this: >

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Tue, 13 Oct 2015 14:58:14 -0400: Hi, [snip] > >I agree with what you guys are saying about some form of cyclic pressure >function. Of course I can imagine that a significant temperature pulse might >be present when the piston is near its maximum

[Vo]:Strongly recommend this video about population and energy

2015-10-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: "DON'T PANIC — Hans Rosling showing the facts about population" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FACK2knC08E This video demolishes many common misunderstandings about world population growth, fertility, and the situation in the third world. Things are probably better than you think. The

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Tue, 13 Oct 2015 14:18:46 -0600: Hi, Energy is released as the condensate forms. In order to get it to return to a normal gas, you should need to put the same amount of energy back in again. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk

[Vo]:MUONS

2015-10-13 Thread Mark Goldes
http://phys.org/news/2015-10-particle-purely-nuclear.html Mark Goldes Chairman, CEO, AESOP Energy LLC 707 861-9070 AESOP Institute website: www.aesopinstitute.org

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread Bob Higgins
I don't recall that Holmlid described the formation of the dense hydrogen as an extremely exothermic process. As I recall it described, H2 was simply catalyzed and flowed onto the surface where the ultra-dense hydrogen film spontaneously formed. Also, it doesn't make sense that this extremely

RE: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com In reply to Bob Higgins's message: > Energy is released as the condensate forms. In order to get it to return to a normal gas, you should need to put the same amount of energy back in again. You seem to be conflating Holmlid with CQM,

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread David Roberson
If I understand you correctly, the process you speculate upon is quite similar to a normal ICE without an exhaust port. Heat is introduced into the working gas from the energy emitted by the alpha emitter. That heat causes an increase in the gas pressure that occurs due to the normal

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread David Roberson
Jones, I have not been following the work of Holmlid closely. Do I understand you correctly that he calculates it actually takes energy to cause the hydrogen to become compacted? That reminds me of a balloon where you have to squeeze it to make it smaller. Of course this is 180 degrees

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread David Roberson
>Due to breakup of medium to large hydrocarbon molecules in a gasoline engine, the number of particles increases there too. Also, formation of water molecules results in a single O2 molecule becoming two water molecules. Typical reaction:- 2C8H18 (octane) + 25O2 => 16CO2 + 18H2O 2 + 25 =>

RE: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread Jones Beene
Bob, The ultradense species could be too problematic to manufacture in situ especially in an automobile where weight is a concern. And really, if the chemical energy is high, there is no need to look beyond it. Apparently the rate of production is low in terms of mass of IRH per unit of

RE: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread Jones Beene
One more arcane point on this apparent conflict between Mills and Holmlid: For Holmlid the ultradense species occurs in one step and its chemical binding energy is in the range of -50 eV maximum. If we go back 20 years to Thermacore, and some of the most convincing work ever done in LENR, there

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 1:58 PM, David Roberson wrote: We need a better understanding of exactly what happens to a gas which > undergoes a rapid increased to particle numbers followed by a return to it > initial composition in this type of environment. > I was thinking in

RE: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread Jones Beene
Dave, I haven’t seen any calculation for the energy to densify. He does say it takes only pressure, time and moderate temperature. Unlike Mills, Holmlid is not secretive and is open to outside contact and these questions will be asked. As you say, Holmlid and Mills cannot both be

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Tue, 13 Oct 2015 15:59:50 -0600: Hi, [snip] > In that case you wouldn't get much back when it "exploded" either would you? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Strongly recommend this video about population and energy

2015-10-13 Thread Lennart Thornros
Hello Jed, Nice accent. Yes, I think he is right. He obviously have not understood that Rossi now is establishing factories (within a year) to build LENR. Joke aside - I think that things happen because there is a demand. The population growth is solved, the distribution is on its way - LENR needs

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 13 Oct 2015 15:13:20 -0700: Hi Jones, [snip] >-Original Message- >From: mix...@bigpond.com > >In reply to Bob Higgins's message: > >> Energy is released as the condensate forms. In order to get it to return >to a normal gas, you should need to

RE: [Vo]:Strongly recommend this video about population and energy

2015-10-13 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Thanks Jed, Watched it all. It was worth it. It is rare to take in a lecture given by a statistician who is not only informative but entertaining and funny as well. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks > "DON'T PANIC — Hans Rosling showing the facts

Re: [Vo]:Strongly recommend this video about population and energy

2015-10-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
This video is relevant to this group because -- It shows why cold fusion energy is important, how much it can do, and finally how likely it is to be used. The last question is not directly addressed but you can interpolate. The video demonstrates that people are not stupid and poor people are

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:38:25 -0400: Hi, [snip] > >>Due to breakup of medium to large hydrocarbon >molecules in a gasoline engine, >the number of particles increases there too. >Also, formation of water molecules >results in a single O2 molecule becoming two

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

2015-10-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 8:42 PM, wrote: ..so Feynman pulled the plug on a non-existent engine, that then can't > possibly > have exploded (because it didn't exist), and hence there was no ensuing > court > case? ;) > I think the question that history will be the judge of is