[Vo]:symposium canceled

[Eric Walker]

See:

https://animpossibleinvention.com/2016/04/15/new-energy-world-symposium-will-be-cancelled/

Not sure if this was already mentioned.

Eric

[Vo]:"Cold Fusion is New Again . . ."

[Jed Rothwell]

See:

https://www.inverse.com/article/14355-cold-fusion-is-news-again-but-the-search-for-the-energy-holy-grail-ain-t-over

Re: [Vo]:Saudi Arabia to Diversify

[mixent]

In reply to  Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 15 Apr 2016 17:55:31 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
>> So, what is the provenance of "Lattice Enabled Nanoscale Reactions"? I
>> can't recall coming across that one.  Who uses it?
>>

"Nanoscale" has the advantage that it doesn't use the word "nuclear", so it's
less scary. It is also somewhat popular in that many advances nowadays seem to
be flowing from nanoscale technology.

IOW "Lattice Enabled Nanoscale Reactions" is a good PR term.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Saudi Arabia to Diversify

[Jed Rothwell]

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:

> So, what is the provenance of "Lattice Enabled Nanoscale Reactions"? I
> can't recall coming across that one.  Who uses it?
>

Good question.

It sounds like Mitch Swartz but I don't think he used that term.

David J. Nagel and Amal Al Katrib of GWU refer to "Lattice Enabled Nuclear
Reaction." That's close!

- Jed

Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants

[Jed Rothwell]

Alain Sepeda  wrote:

my interpretation of substantiate is that they cannot replicate themselves.
>

I have some limited contact with I.H. Not a lot -- I am not claiming to be
an insider with all the answers. However, in this case I asked them to
clarify, and I am sure they mean there is no significant excess heat. That
is their analysis.

I am pretty sure that includes the Lugano experiment. They contributed to
it. It was within the last three years, which is the time period they
referred to in their press release. I think we all agree there were signs
of excess heat at Lugano, but most people will say it was not
"substantiated." The results were not convincing.

- Jed

Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants

[Alain Sepeda]

my interpretation of substantiate is that they cannot replicate themselves.

If I was a VC like IH, I would not be afraid if a test fail, as long as my
test are OK.
but I will panic if the opposite.

2016-04-15 21:51 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell :

> a.ashfield  wrote:
>
> You are certain Rossi is a fraud, the ERV report is rubbish and the E-Cat
>> doesn't work.
>>
>
> Let us put aside fraud for a moment. The press releases make it clear that
> Rossi says there is fifty times input, whereas I.H. says it did not work.
> They were not able to "substantiate" the claims. That means they do not
> think there was significant excess heat.
>
> If I.H. is right then yes, the ERV report must be rubbish and the E-cat
> doesn't work.
>
> If Rossi is right, I.H.'s conclusions are rubbish.
>
> One of them must be drastically wrong. Based on their previous work, I
> would say Rossi is wrong.
>
> (I hope no one quibbles about the word "substantiate." Whatever it means,
> it rules out 50 times input.)
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants

[Craig Haynie]

This is just rhetorical, but who on the IH team made the evaluation that 
the device did not perform? They didn't do any type of testing on their 
own; and unless Rossi is mis-reporting Penon's report, then it wasn't 
him. I doubt if it was Fulvio Fabiana. The only other person who may be 
qualified to make that determination is Barry West, and I don't know who 
he is.


The other thing that confuses me, is why did IH send out that rather 
pessimistic release on Mar 10, before they had any report to view?


It's not that clear cut to me.

Craig

On 04/15/2016 03:51 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

a.ashfield mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net>> wrote:

You are certain Rossi is a fraud, the ERV report is rubbish and
the E-Cat doesn't work.


Let us put aside fraud for a moment. The press releases make it clear 
that Rossi says there is fifty times input, whereas I.H. says it did 
not work. They were not able to "substantiate" the claims. That means 
they do not think there was significant excess heat.


If I.H. is right then yes, the ERV report must be rubbish and the 
E-cat doesn't work.


If Rossi is right, I.H.'s conclusions are rubbish.

One of them must be drastically wrong. Based on their previous work, I 
would say Rossi is wrong.


(I hope no one quibbles about the word "substantiate." Whatever it 
means, it rules out 50 times input.)


- Jed

[Vo]:Who replicated cold fusion at first?

[Jed Rothwell]

A reporter asked me: "Who replicated cold fusion first?" Here is my answer,
which people here might find amusing.


Most of the high quality academic scientific work on cold fusion was done
in the 1990s. Most of the researchers are now dead. They were the crème de
la crème of twentieth century electrochemists. People such as Bockris, who
wrote the book on modern electrochemistry *; Yeager, for whom they named
the institute after he died **; and Martin Fleischmann FRS. Most leading
electrochemists tried the experiment, and they all succeeded. They tried it
because they all knew Martin Fleischmann personally. Electrochemistry is a
small world.

People who were not electrochemists, and who did not include
electrochemists in their research teams, failed to replicate. For example,
20 of the big-name particle physics labs and plasma fusion labs failed for
that reason. In one case they confused the anode and the cathode. *** That
precludes success -- to say the least. Expecting a plasma fusion researcher
to succeed in cold fusion is like expecting an electrochemist to build a
tokamak reactor.

* "Modern Electrochemistry," Vols. 1 and 2.
http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Electrochemistry-Ionics-2nd-Edition/dp/030642

** Ernest B. Yeager Center for Electrochemical Sciences
http://chemistry.case.edu/department/research/yces/

*** Other examples described on p. 11:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJlessonsfro.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Photos from yesterday's earthquake in Kumamoto

[Che]

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Che  wrote:
>
>
>> That's only because of modern building codes and superior modern
>> materials.
>>
>
> Yes, that is what I have heard. In recent years they have been
> retrofitting many buildings in Japan with improved earthquake resistance,
> installing gigantic steel "X" structures. Especially in schools.
>
> The photos at the Yomiuri show many collapsed older buildings. I am
> surprised only a handful of people were killed in them.
>
> - Jed
>

Ya, they also have active, computer-controlled counter-weight systems to
retrofit on probably any sway-prone highrises, etc.

Re: [Vo]:Saudi Arabia to Diversify

[Terry Blanton]

So, what is the provenance of "Lattice Enabled Nanoscale Reactions"? I
can't recall coming across that one.  Who uses it?

Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants

[Jed Rothwell]

a.ashfield  wrote:

You are certain Rossi is a fraud, the ERV report is rubbish and the E-Cat
> doesn't work.
>

Let us put aside fraud for a moment. The press releases make it clear that
Rossi says there is fifty times input, whereas I.H. says it did not work.
They were not able to "substantiate" the claims. That means they do not
think there was significant excess heat.

If I.H. is right then yes, the ERV report must be rubbish and the E-cat
doesn't work.

If Rossi is right, I.H.'s conclusions are rubbish.

One of them must be drastically wrong. Based on their previous work, I
would say Rossi is wrong.

(I hope no one quibbles about the word "substantiate." Whatever it means,
it rules out 50 times input.)

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Photos from yesterday's earthquake in Kumamoto

[Jed Rothwell]

Che  wrote:


> That's only because of modern building codes and superior modern materials.
>

Yes, that is what I have heard. In recent years they have been retrofitting
many buildings in Japan with improved earthquake resistance, installing
gigantic steel "X" structures. Especially in schools.

The photos at the Yomiuri show many collapsed older buildings. I am
surprised only a handful of people were killed in them.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Saudi Arabia to Diversify

[Che]

Too little, too late. This particular dysfunctional client-state is
essentially finished. When this 'monarchy' falls is only a matter of time.

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:

> “In January, the Kingdom formally launched a new information,
> communication and technology fund worth $133 million in an attempt to
> pioneer new ventures. So given it is looking at new ideas, but has a long
> historical connection with energy it would be no surprise to see the Saudis
> looking for new energy industrial joint ventures.
>
>
>
> A potential avenue that could be explored is that of Low Energy Nuclear
> Reactions or Lattice Enabled Nanoscale Reactions (LENR). This is a
> chemical/physical event where anomalous amounts of heat are generated when
> certain metals absorb hydrogen or deuterium and an external stimulus such
> as an electric current is directly applied.
>
>
>
> A potential partner for KSA to partner with is Industrial Heat LLC that
> was incorporated in 2012 and is based in Raleigh, North Carolina. This firm
> has already been granted the license to sell and manufacture energy
> catalysers “E-Cats” in Saudi Arabia. Therefore, I do not think it
> unreasonable to envisage the Saudis looking for partners to help start
> laying the groundwork for commercialisation of LENR within the Kingdom and
> for export overseas.”
>
>
>
>
> https://www.tradingfloor.com/posts/saudi-arabia-prepares-to-break-oil-wealth-dependency-7386201
> 
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Saudi Arabia to Diversify

[Terry Blanton]

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:

> “In January, the Kingdom formally launched a new information,
> communication and technology fund worth $133 million in an attempt to
> pioneer new ventures. So given it is looking at new ideas, but has a long
> historical connection with energy it would be no surprise to see the Saudis
> looking for new energy industrial joint ventures.
>
>
>
> A potential avenue that could be explored is that of Low Energy Nuclear
> Reactions or Lattice Enabled Nanoscale Reactions (LENR). This is a
> chemical/physical event where anomalous amounts of heat are generated when
> certain metals absorb hydrogen or deuterium and an external stimulus such
> as an electric current is directly applied.
>
>
>
> A potential partner for KSA to partner with is Industrial Heat LLC that
> was incorporated in 2012 and is based in Raleigh, North Carolina. This firm
> has already been granted the license to sell and manufacture energy
> catalysers “E-Cats” in Saudi Arabia. Therefore, I do not think it
> unreasonable to envisage the Saudis looking for partners to help start
> laying the groundwork for commercialisation of LENR within the Kingdom and
> for export overseas.”
>
>
>
>
> https://www.tradingfloor.com/posts/saudi-arabia-prepares-to-break-oil-wealth-dependency-7386201
> 
>
>
>
Try this link:

https://www.tradingfloor.com/posts/saudi-arabia-prepares-to-break-oil-wealth-dependency-7386201

Or copy and paste the original.  It was copied from my Outlook and brought
TMI with it.

[Vo]:Saudi Arabia to Diversify

[Terry Blanton]

“In January, the Kingdom formally launched a new information, communication
and technology fund worth $133 million in an attempt to pioneer new
ventures. So given it is looking at new ideas, but has a long historical
connection with energy it would be no surprise to see the Saudis looking
for new energy industrial joint ventures.



A potential avenue that could be explored is that of Low Energy Nuclear
Reactions or Lattice Enabled Nanoscale Reactions (LENR). This is a
chemical/physical event where anomalous amounts of heat are generated when
certain metals absorb hydrogen or deuterium and an external stimulus such
as an electric current is directly applied.



A potential partner for KSA to partner with is Industrial Heat LLC that was
incorporated in 2012 and is based in Raleigh, North Carolina. This firm has
already been granted the license to sell and manufacture energy catalysers
“E-Cats” in Saudi Arabia. Therefore, I do not think it unreasonable to
envisage the Saudis looking for partners to help start laying the
groundwork for commercialisation of LENR within the Kingdom and for export
overseas.”



https://www.tradingfloor.com/posts/saudi-arabia-prepares-to-break-oil-wealth-dependency-7386201

Re: [Vo]:Photos from yesterday's earthquake in Kumamoto

[Che]

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> See:
>
> http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/feature/photo/etc/glist.html?gr=CO0202110
>
> You can Google translate the captions.
>
> Magnitude 7. I think ~6 people died (accounts vary). It is surprising how
> few people are killed by these things.
>
> - Jed
>
>
That's only because of modern building codes and superior modern materials.

[Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Che]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfAJv-jhCY8&feature=em-lbcastemail-np

Re: [Vo]:Photos from yesterday's earthquake in Kumamoto

[Jed Rothwell]

More photos here:

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/s/ims/kumamoto/?from=yartcl_os1_tmb

[Vo]:Photos from yesterday's earthquake in Kumamoto

[Jed Rothwell]

See:

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/feature/photo/etc/glist.html?gr=CO0202110

You can Google translate the captions.

Magnitude 7. I think ~6 people died (accounts vary). It is surprising how
few people are killed by these things.

- Jed

Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants

[a.ashfield]

Jones,
You are certain Rossi is a fraud, the ERV report is rubbish and the 
E-Cat doesn't work.
You are certain Rossi's plant doesn't work and he hasn't got orders for 
new plants.

Where did you buy your crystal ball?

It looks like you have no industrial or business experience.  What 
experience do you have that makes you so sure of things without solid 
evidence?

[Vo]:who shoots arrows in explorers' backs?

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/04/apr-15-2016-lenr-explorers-who-shoots.html
 Just launched it...

peter
-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants

[Lennart Thornros]

What is amazing is that AR has time / energy & nerve to persuade business
this way. By nerve I mean that in this situation when IH claims that he has
not performed as per contract he says that others see his performance as
good. If it works as AR says, then we will soon here from the real customer
as I think it will be hard to keep secret who it is. Then AR will great
support. OTH if he does not have anything and there is no order, why would
he stick out his head? He would just lower his chances in court.
I see no problem with that there is a lawyer as head of the 'customer' I
think Sean has that right.
I agree with you Francis that IH is not the customer at any time. It has to
be a substantial entity if they can order three more and the result must be
good.

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros


lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)


On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Roarty, Francis X <
francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote:

> Yes, but is the “customer” he refers to  IH contracting to install more
> reactors or is this Rossi’s lawyer or other Rossi shell companies that want
> additional units at the Florida location for other purposes?  It just
> doesn’t make sense that Rossi would be selling anything to IH while
> pursuing a lawsuit for lack of payment – more likely it is for Leonardo
> Corporation or other licensee and incorporates some of the new technology.
> Did Rossi indicate if these new reactors would be the same technology as
> original? I could see Rossi using the Fla location as a showroom for his
> technology and perhaps customers are needed to finance the new reactors but
> I remain skeptical that IH could be “the customer” while claiming the unit
> fails to meet agreed upon gain in litigation.
>
> Fran
>
> *From:* Sean True [mailto:sean.t...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, April 15, 2016 11:40 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three
> More Plants
>
>
>
> There appear to be shell and holding companies. This is not unusual, nor
> is it unusual for a lawyer to act as a cutout. This keeps prying eyes (us)
> from observing the principals (people who want many watts of steam)
> closely.
>
>
>
> Try penetrating a real estate trust, sometime.
>
>
>
> Throwing additional dust into the air, it's also possible that more than
> one law firm is working for Rossi, but only one shows in the court filings.
> Less likely, but possible.
>
>
>
> -- Sean
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Roarty, Francis X <
> francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote:
>
> I thought the problem was the "customer" is also Rossi's lawyer?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: a.ashfield [mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 10:51 AM
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants
>
> So Rossi says the customer has ordered three more plants and he hopes to
> build them in 180 days.
>
> I expect the skeptics will write about "Rossi says" but I recall them
> not believing the first plant existed because it was secret. Do they
> accept the plant is real yet?   I don't know.
>
> Anyway, if he has three orders in hand from the original customer, I
> would say that is worth more than any expert's report when it gets to
> court..
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants

[Jones Beene]

Why not just invent $30 billion instead? 

 

It’s all the same when you live in fantasy land.

 

From: Axil Axil 

 

I beleive that Rossi has an order book worth 3 $billion

 

Headlines from 2011:

"Andrea Rossi has received orders for at least 13 one megawatt cold fusion 
power units."

http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/report-rossi-has-13-buyers-for-1-mw-e-cats




 

Re: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants

[Axil Axil]

I beleive that Rossi has an order book worth 3 $billion

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Headlines from 2011:
>
> "Andrea Rossi has received orders for at least 13 one megawatt cold fusion
> power units."
>
> http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/report-rossi-has-13-buyers-for-1-mw-e-cats
>
>
>
>

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants

[Roarty, Francis X]

Yes, but is the “customer” he refers to  IH contracting to install more 
reactors or is this Rossi’s lawyer or other Rossi shell companies that want 
additional units at the Florida location for other purposes?  It just doesn’t 
make sense that Rossi would be selling anything to IH while pursuing a lawsuit 
for lack of payment – more likely it is for Leonardo Corporation or other 
licensee and incorporates some of the new technology.  Did Rossi indicate if 
these new reactors would be the same technology as original? I could see Rossi 
using the Fla location as a showroom for his technology and perhaps customers 
are needed to finance the new reactors but I remain skeptical that IH could be 
“the customer” while claiming the unit fails to meet agreed upon gain in 
litigation.
Fran
From: Sean True [mailto:sean.t...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 11:40 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants

There appear to be shell and holding companies. This is not unusual, nor is it 
unusual for a lawyer to act as a cutout. This keeps prying eyes (us) from 
observing the principals (people who want many watts of steam) closely.

Try penetrating a real estate trust, sometime.

Throwing additional dust into the air, it's also possible that more than one 
law firm is working for Rossi, but only one shows in the court filings. Less 
likely, but possible.

-- Sean

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Roarty, Francis X 
mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>> wrote:
I thought the problem was the "customer" is also Rossi's lawyer?

-Original Message-
From: a.ashfield [mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net]
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 10:51 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants

So Rossi says the customer has ordered three more plants and he hopes to
build them in 180 days.

I expect the skeptics will write about "Rossi says" but I recall them
not believing the first plant existed because it was secret. Do they
accept the plant is real yet?   I don't know.

Anyway, if he has three orders in hand from the original customer, I
would say that is worth more than any expert's report when it gets to
court..

RE: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants

[Jones Beene]

Headlines from 2011:
 
"Andrea Rossi has received orders for at least 13 one megawatt cold fusion 
power units."

http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/report-rossi-has-13-buyers-for-1-mw-e-cats

Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants

[Sean True]

There appear to be shell and holding companies. This is not unusual, nor is
it unusual for a lawyer to act as a cutout. This keeps prying eyes (us)
from observing the principals (people who want many watts of steam)
closely.

Try penetrating a real estate trust, sometime.

Throwing additional dust into the air, it's also possible that more than
one law firm is working for Rossi, but only one shows in the court filings.
Less likely, but possible.

-- Sean

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Roarty, Francis X <
francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote:

> I thought the problem was the "customer" is also Rossi's lawyer?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: a.ashfield [mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 10:51 AM
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants
>
> So Rossi says the customer has ordered three more plants and he hopes to
> build them in 180 days.
>
> I expect the skeptics will write about "Rossi says" but I recall them
> not believing the first plant existed because it was secret. Do they
> accept the plant is real yet?   I don't know.
>
> Anyway, if he has three orders in hand from the original customer, I
> would say that is worth more than any expert's report when it gets to
> court..
>
>

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants

[Roarty, Francis X]

I thought the problem was the "customer" is also Rossi's lawyer? 

-Original Message-
From: a.ashfield [mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 10:51 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants

So Rossi says the customer has ordered three more plants and he hopes to 
build them in 180 days.

I expect the skeptics will write about "Rossi says" but I recall them 
not believing the first plant existed because it was secret. Do they 
accept the plant is real yet?   I don't know.

Anyway, if he has three orders in hand from the original customer, I 
would say that is worth more than any expert's report when it gets to 
court..

[Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants

[a.ashfield]

So Rossi says the customer has ordered three more plants and he hopes to 
build them in 180 days.


I expect the skeptics will write about "Rossi says" but I recall them 
not believing the first plant existed because it was secret. Do they 
accept the plant is real yet?   I don't know.


Anyway, if he has three orders in hand from the original customer, I 
would say that is worth more than any expert's report when it gets to 
court..

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin, McKubre, Industrial Heat, Rossi, Jed

[Jed Rothwell]

Peter Gluck  wrote:

may I reproduce this in Ego Out?
>
Brillouin is an OTHER, alternative way to energy.
>

Please do not reproduce this. I do not know of any evidence that McKubre
evaluated Rossi, or that McKubre is an insider at I.H. He is definitely not
my "good acquaintance," although I do have great respect for him and I have
carefully read everything he has published.

You should not put empty gossip in your Ego Out blog.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin, McKubre, Industrial Heat, Rossi, Jed

[Jed Rothwell]

Patrick Ellul  wrote:

McKubre is effectively an insider to IH.
>
He/his team is probably the one who convinced IH that Rossi's thing does
> not work.
>

I have never heard McKubre talk about Rossi except to say the claims are
interesting but Rossi himself seems "dodgy."



> Jed and McKubre are good acquaintances.
>

We are not that close. I have worked a lot more with other people in the
field.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin, McKubre, Industrial Heat, Rossi, Jed

[Giovanni Santostasi]

Bruillouin and McKubre are competent scientists.
Just saying.

Giovanni

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:42 AM, Peter Gluck  wrote:

> dear Patrick,
>
> may I reproduce this in Ego Out?
> Brillouin is an OTHER, alternative way to energy.
>
> Peter
>
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 5:04 AM, Patrick Ellul 
> wrote:
>
>> So IH invested in Brillouin (BEC).
>> BEC's team seems to have strengthened a lot.
>> http://brillouinenergy.com/about/leadership/
>> It includes Carl Page.
>> McKubre is effectively an insider to IH.
>> He/his team is probably the one who convinced IH that Rossi's thing does
>> not work.
>> BEC is obviously in direct competition with Leonardo Corp (LC).
>> IH have chosen BEC over LC.
>> Jed and McKubre are good acquaintances.
>> Just saying.
>> Regards.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Peter Gluck
> Cluj, Romania
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

[Alain Sepeda]

A real client happy of making usual production of real things, is really a
good evidence.
An industrial production line is designed to make the most product for the
least heat, so if the production is good, the bill is low, and the ratio
much above margin of error, then I can trust.

The problem is only to have a real client, and not a shell company hiring
an actor.

If the factory is making steam cake, all I need to the number of cake and
the electric bill. provided the client is really an industrialists who
optimised his production line since long.

if ratio is >4, that is good.

if the client is not real, situation is desperate.

We don't have the data to be sure.

all i see is someone owning license on a goose laying golden goose who flee
like a chicken. This is indirect data.

2016-04-14 23:36 GMT+02:00 Alan Fletcher :

> Siferkol reported in April 2015
> https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/news/index.php/News/91-Sifferk%C3%B6ll-First-Hand-Information-from-Visitors-of-the-Industrial-Heat-E-Cat-Cus/
>
> I know first hand from very reliable sources that themselves have visited
> the Rossi/Industrial Heat
> 
> E-Cat customer that the plant works very well. This has been verified both
> by measurements made by the customer and by significantly reduced
> electricity bills. The plant seems to be able to produce heat from
> electricity with a COP in the range of 20-80 depending on the level of
> self-sustain-mode applied. I guess that is what Rossi is working on right
> now.
>
> The implications of COP in this range is of course nothing less than …
> revolutionary … ”a tipping point” to quote Tom Darden
>
> This is a good day!
>
> Mats Lewan confirmed : UPDATE: Since a COP (Coefficient of Performance —
> output energy/input energy) ranging from 20 to 80 has been reported, I can
> confirm that I have got the same information.
>
>
> --
> *From: *"Jed Rothwell" 
> *To: *"vortex-l" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 14, 2016 11:40:18 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb
>
> a.ashfield  wrote:
>
>
>> You write about claims of a COP of 80.  My recollection was that it
>> peaked at 60 and we don't really know what the average was.
>
>
> You may be right. I tend to get numbers wrong.
>
> - Jed
>
>