RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Superconducting Metal Hydride

[Roarty, Francis X]

Hi Jones, I still suspect Casimir geometry is actually relativistic and the 
math they are using is giving the dimensions from  local hydrogen perspective 
while from our perspective the hydrogen inside the hydride dilates becoming 
both faster and “relatively” smaller, packing out further and further on the 
temporal axis while simultaneously getting harder and harder to detect from the 
macro world. I think Mills was accurate about self catalyzing of fractional 
hydrogen when trapped in a lattice, like cheerleaders forming a pyramid with 
the lattice as just the ground floor I suspect they can dilate out from the 3d 
base structure of the metal lattice and form blankets of fractional hydrogen in 
either temporal direction from the lattice.
Fran


From: Jones Beene 
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 9:19 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Superconducting Metal Hydride

I was hoping that this new discovery would show much tighter hydrogen spacing - 
in keeping with the various theories for dense hydrogen.

However, the spacing is far from pico and not extremely compact at all, and 
therefore this may result may not be related to LENR.

Fortunately, there is a lot of work going on in superhydrides - and this work 
aligns with the long-held suspicion that a transient form of superconductivity 
at greater than room temperature - and the occurrence of LENR are somehow 
related.

Here is a related paper on another superhydride with a massive 9:1 atomic 
ratio. Ratios of nine or ten to one are possible with high pressure.

https://phys.org/news/2019-10-impossible-superconductor.html

It is only a matter of time until a breakthrough occurs in this field and the 
extreme pressures now being used, become superfluous.



Terry Blanton wrote:

An international team of researchers has discovered the hydrogen atoms in a 
metal hydride material are much more tightly spaced than had been predicted for 
decades — a feature that could possibly facilitate superconductivity at or near 
room temperature and pressure.

https://scitechdaily.com/room-temperature-superconductor-breakthrough-at-oak-ridge-national-laboratory/

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

[Jonathan Berry]

But you are saying it can't be true because it would have leaked out...
But it HAS leaked out!

Also, there is a difference between tryig to cover up a single item of
news .vs covering up a statistic which is kinda easy to cover up.

And the number of dead is hardly huge by the numbers involved in the
polulations of Chinese cities.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:18 AM Jed Rothwell  wrote:
>
> I wrote:
>
>>
>> I am pretty sure news of it would leak out. Many dreadful false rumors are 
>> spreading. News that is both dreadful and true would leak out, I think.
>
>
> Just now, Chinese and world mass media reported:
>
> A doctor who was among the first to warn about the coronavirus outbreak, only 
> to be silenced by the police, died on Friday after himself becoming infected 
> with the virus, the hospital treating him reported.
>
> The Wuhan City Central Hospital said at 3:48 a.m. Friday that the doctor, Li 
> Wenliang, had just died. “We deeply regret and mourn this,” it said on the 
> Chinese social media site Weibo.
>
> Just hours earlier, the hospital had said it was still fighting to save Dr. 
> Li, 34.
>
>
> People all over China were following this story.
>
> That is appalling yet true news. It came out right away. I am sure the 
> authorities wish they could make it disappear, but they could not.
>
> Other recent examples include the photo of the dead man on the street, and 
> the photo in today's news of the makeshift mass quarantine areas in stadiums 
> and meeting halls, which Chinese people are comparing to the photos of arm 
> camp treatment centers in the U.S. in 1918. See:
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/world/asia/coronavirus-china.html
>
> This is bad news that is not being repressed. Not successfully repressed, in 
> any case. Quote:
>
> Photographs taken inside the stadium showed narrow rows of simple beds 
> separated only by desks and chairs typically used in classrooms. Some 
> comments on Chinese social media compared the scenes to those from the 
> Spanish flu in 1918.
>
> According to a widely shared post on Weibo, a popular social media site, 
> “conditions were very poor” at an exhibition center that had been converted 
> into a quarantine facility. There were power failures and electric blankets 
> could not be turned on, the user wrote, citing a relative who had been taken 
> there, saying that people had to “shiver in their sleep.”
>

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

[Terry Blanton]

Also, I recall the scene in "Contagion" (2011) where Matt Damon is trying
to arrange for the burial of his wife, one of the first victims of the
pandemic; and, the hospital informs him that the "government directive" is
that all victims of the virus are to be cremated.

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:53 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> The problem is that people are dying in their homes undiagnosed.  There
> are several stories of people seeking help for a family member and, finding
> no hospital beds available, they take them home to die.  It reminds me of a
> song called "Two Tribes (Annihilation)" by Frankie Goes to Hollywood:
>
> (If any member of the family should die whilst in the shelter, put them
> outside
> But remember to tag them first for identification purposes.)
> (If any member of the family should die whilst in the shelter from
> contamination, put them outside
> But remember to tag them first for identification purposes.)
> (If your grandmother or any other member of the family should die whil...
> ...dentification purposes.)
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

[Terry Blanton]

The problem is that people are dying in their homes undiagnosed.  There are
several stories of people seeking help for a family member and, finding no
hospital beds available, they take them home to die.  It reminds me of a
song called "Two Tribes (Annihilation)" by Frankie Goes to Hollywood:

(If any member of the family should die whilst in the shelter, put them
outside
But remember to tag them first for identification purposes.)
(If any member of the family should die whilst in the shelter from
contamination, put them outside
But remember to tag them first for identification purposes.)
(If your grandmother or any other member of the family should die whil...
...dentification purposes.)

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

[Jed Rothwell]

Jones Beene  wrote:


> The population for China is over 1.4 billion. Thus, in a normal year with
> normal flu rates, they would expect more than 10 million deaths from all
> causes.
>
> Since there are normally almost one million deaths per month in China
> expected - and being dealt with by the current infrastructure, the question
> resolves to this: what additional number could be effectively hidden by
> officials, at this point in time ?
>

Nearly all of the infections and deaths are in Wuhan, so you would have to
cover up ~25,000 deaths in that city. Not the whole of China. People would
notice if 25,000 citizens disappeared. They would be mainly older people.
Not street people, but people known to their family, friends and
employers.  People know when their parents, aunts and uncles disappear or
die.

In the coming weeks, the deaths may spread all over the country, instead of
being concentrated in Wuhan. However, this report was that 25,000 died
already. Large numbers only got sick in the last 30 days or so. So nearly
all 25,000 would all have died within the last few weeks, during which
Wuhan normally has about 9,500 deaths, nearly all of them very old people.
Thousands of hospital workers and others would see there are thousands more
deaths than normal. I am sure they know there are now hundreds more.

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

[Jed Rothwell]

I wrote:


> I am pretty sure news of it would leak out. Many dreadful false rumors are
> spreading. News that is both dreadful and true would leak out, I think.
>

Just now, Chinese and world mass media reported:

A doctor who was among the first to warn about the coronavirus outbreak,
only to be silenced by the police, died on Friday after himself becoming
infected with the virus, the hospital treating him reported.

The Wuhan City Central Hospital said at 3:48 a.m. Friday that the doctor,
Li Wenliang, had just died. “We deeply regret and mourn this,” it said on
the Chinese social media site Weibo.

Just hours earlier, the hospital had said it was still fighting to save Dr.
Li, 34.


People all over China were following this story.

That is appalling yet true news. It came out right away. I am sure the
authorities wish they could make it disappear, but they could not.

Other recent examples include the photo of the dead man on the street, and
the photo in today's news of the makeshift mass quarantine areas in
stadiums and meeting halls, which Chinese people are comparing to the
photos of arm camp treatment centers in the U.S. in 1918. See:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/world/asia/coronavirus-china.html

This is bad news that is not being repressed. Not successfully repressed,
in any case. Quote:

Photographs taken inside the stadium showed narrow rows of simple beds
separated only by desks and chairs typically used in classrooms. Some
comments on Chinese social media compared the scenes to those from the
Spanish flu in 1918.

According to a widely shared post on Weibo, a popular social media site,
“conditions were very poor” at an exhibition center that had been converted
into a quarantine facility. There were power failures and electric blankets
could not be turned on, the user wrote, citing a relative who had been
taken there, saying that people had to “shiver in their sleep.”

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

[Jones Beene]

Yes 2.1 deaths per hundred Chinese (from all causes) is two high - that figure 
was from the 1960s and they have made great progress since then, but the 
conclusion that the rate presently due to coronavirus is much higher (than 
being officially admitted) may be valid since the deaths quoted in Terry's site 
were for all of China, no just Wuhan. They could be hiding the scope of the 
pandemic.

Here is an authoritative death rate for China from all causes ~7.3 deaths per 
thousand per year

https://knoema.com/atlas/China/Death-rate
The population for China is over 1.4 billion. Thus, in a normal year with 
normal flu rates, they would expect more than 10 million deaths from all causes.
Since there are normally almost one million deaths per month in China expected 
- and being dealt with by the current infrastructure, the question resolves to 
this: what additional number could be effectively hidden by officials, at this 
point in time ?
Who knows? but it could be larger that a few hundred thousand - and sadly we 
will probably find out the answer sooner rather than later ... 

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

[Jed Rothwell]

Jones Beene  wrote:

The normal death rate for China before this tragedy is at least 2.1 %
> according to Wiki the wise.
>

That seems high. Wouldn't that mean the average lifespan is 48 years? It is
78 years, and the median age is 37, so I don't see how 2.1% per year could
be dying. See:

https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/china-demographics/#life-exp

There will be a large number of old people decades from now -- a bulge in
the population profile. The death rate will rise. There is a bulge already,
but I do not think it is large enough for a 2.1% rate. Anyway . . . suppose
it is:



> The population of Wuhan alone is over 11 million. (I had no idea it was
> that large).
>
> Thus in a normal year the local infrastructure handles over 230,000
> deaths. Presumably most deaths are followed by cremation.
>
> An extra 10% over the normal rate would certainly be unusual, but possibly
> could be quietly handled.
>

230,000 per year is 19,000 per month. Most of the deaths from the flu have
been in Wuhan, and nearly all have been in the last month, because the
infection rate is exponential. So, that would be nearly 25,000 in addition
to the usual 19,000. I am sure people would notice. China is repressive
place, but news of that would leak.



> China is famous for its night shifts. Tesla built a factory there in a
> year that would have taken 4-5 years anywhere else. Gruesome as it is too
> imagine, adding an extra shift at the mortuary would not be big news.
>

I am pretty sure news of it would leak out. Many dreadful false rumors are
spreading. News that is both dreadful and true would leak out, I think.

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

[Jonathan Berry]

Well, there was this study where 15% died:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext

Seems that the rate could be 15-30% rather than the 2.3% that has been promoted.
Given the HUGE 85% infection rate (85% exposed become infected) this
could, if it breaks all containment efforts (likely given that degree
of infection and the way some get zero symptoms) kill Billions of
people.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:56 AM Jones Beene  wrote:
>
> The normal death rate for China before this tragedy is at least 2.1 % 
> according to Wiki the wise. The population of Wuhan alone is over 11 million. 
> (I had no idea it was that large).
>
> Thus in a normal year the local infrastructure handles over 230,000 deaths. 
> Presumably most deaths are followed by cremation.
>
> An extra 10% over the normal rate would certainly be unusual, but possibly 
> could be quietly handled.
>
> China is famous for its night shifts. Tesla built a factory there in a year 
> that would have taken 4-5 years anywhere else. Gruesome as it is too imagine, 
> adding an extra shift at the mortuary would not be big news.
>
>
>
> Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> This report indicates there may be 25,000 dead. I think such large numbers 
> would impossible to cover up. They could only be dealt with by mass burials 
> with machinery, like after a large battle in war. Most people in China 
> nowadays have cell phones with cameras. Photos and accounts would circulate.
>
> No doubt the number of cases and deaths are underestimated, but I doubt the 
> underestimates are this large.
>

Re: [Vo]:Superconducting Metal Hydride

[Axil Axil]

from CERN

The hunt for leptoquarks is on

Recent results from CMS explore third-generation leptoquarks: hypothetical
particles that combine the properties of leptons and quarks

19 SEPTEMBER, 2018

|

By Achintya Rao 
[image: A CMS collision event]

A collision event recorded by CMS at the start of the data-taking run of
2018. CMS sifts through such collisions up to 40 million times per second
looking for signs of hypothetical particles like leptoquarks (Image: Thomas
McCauley/Tai Sakuma/CMS/CERN)

Matter is made of elementary particles, and the Standard Model of particle
physics  states that these
particles occur in two families: leptons (such as electrons and neutrinos)
and quarks (which make up protons and neutrons). Under the Standard Model,
these two families are totally distinct, with different electric charges
and quantum numbers, but have the same number of generations (see image
below).

However, some theories that go beyond the Standard Model, including certain
“grand unified theories”, predict that leptons and quarks merge at high
energies to become leptoquarks. These leptoquarks are proposed in theories
attempting to unify the strong, weak and electromagnetic forces.

Such “unifications” are not unusual in physics. Electricity and magnetism
were famously unified in the 19th century into a single force known as
electromagnetism, via Maxwell’s elegant mathematical formulae. In the case
of leptoquarks, these hybrid particles are thought to have the properties
of both leptons and quarks, as well as the same number of generations. This
would not only allow them to “split” into the two types of particles but
would also allow leptons to change into quarks and vice versa. Indeed,
anomalies detected by the LHCb experiment
 as well as by Belle
 and Babar
 in measurements of the
properties of B mesons could be also explained by the existence of these
hypothesised particles.

[image: An image showing family of quarks and leptons]
The Standard Model of particle physics divides elementary particles of
matter into separate families: leptons and quarks. Each family consists of
six particles, which are related in pairs, or “generations”. The lightest
and most stable particles make up the first generation, whereas the heavier
and less stable particles belong to the second and third generations. The
six leptons are arranged in three generations – the “electron” and the
“electron neutrino”, the “muon” and the “muon neutrino”, and the “tau” and
the “tau neutrino”.The six quarks are similarly paired in three generations
– the “up quark” and the “down quark” form the first generation, followed
by the “charm quark” and “strange quark”, then the “top quark” and “bottom
(or beauty) quark”.  (Image: Daniel Dominguez/CERN)

If leptoquarks exist, they would be very heavy and quickly transform, or
“decay”, into more stable leptons or quarks. Previous experiments at the SPS
 and LEP
 at
CERN, HERA at DESY and the Tevatron at Fermilab have looked at decays to
first- and second-generation particles. Searches for third-generation
leptoquarks (LQ3) were first performed at the Tevatron, and are now being
explored at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC)
.

Since leptoquarks would transform into a lepton and a quark, LHC searchers
look for telltale signatures in the distributions of these “decay
products”. In the case of third-generation leptoquarks, the lepton could be
a tau or a tau neutrino while the quark could be a top or bottom.

In a recent paper , using data collected
in 2016 at a collision energy of 13 TeV, the Compact Muon Solenoid (CMS)
collaboration  at the LHC
presented the results of searches for third-generation leptoquarks, where
every LQ3 produced in the collisions initially transformed into a tau-top
pair.

Because colliders produce particles and antiparticles at the same time, CMS
specifically searched for the presence of leptoquark-antileptoquark pairs
in collision events containing the remnants of a top quark, an antitop
quark, a tau lepton and an antitau lepton. Further, because leptoquarks
have never been seen before and their properties remain a mystery,
physicists rely on sophisticated calculations based on known parameters to
look for them. These parameters include the energy of the collisions and
expected background levels, constrained by the possible values for the mass
and spin of the hypothetical particle. Through these calculations, the
scientists can estimate how many leptoquarks might have been produced in a
particular data set of proton-proton collisions and

Re: [Vo]:Superconducting Metal Hydride

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

Bob,Andrew,

30 years ago Mills detected why the cosmos must expand. During photon 
like decay the space matter occupies increases as the packaging will 
become less dense (in average fewer rotations - this Mills did not 
find/understand ...). Basically space time increases if photons are 
produced!
Mills also calculated the expansion speed based on total mass and energy 
dissipated by the universe. And yes the figure was pretty close to the 
real one...
This was the main reason physicists hate Mills as this was the first 
indication that GER and SM are a total fail.


As said there is and was never dark mass in the universe except you call 
e.g. H* dark mass as it mostly radiates in the non visible ("dark"..) 
region (what is not true for

Rydberg clusters..) ...

What we definitely know is that some cosmologists missed their advanced 
mechanics class and did/still do not understand why rotations at the 
border of a spiral galaxy must be faster then based on primitive 
potential model due to coupled rotations.


For me all these discussions have only one primitive and old target: 
Make something interesting an generate money. If it worked in the CERN 
case - inventing "fake" particles instead of reporting resonances - why 
should it not work for others too.


J.W.

Am 06.02.20 um 19:37 schrieb bobcook39...@hotmail.com:


Andrew—

 1. Regarding a statement in comment #2: . “Since mass interaction is
always attractive, a non-zero average mass might be measured, even
if it oscillates equally along the time axis from matter to
antimatter,” I note the following.

Cosmologists consider that dark energy is causing the expansion of the 
Universe in opposition of mass and associated its  attraction.  This 
suggests a negative mass is equivalent to negative energy.  But dark 
energy is considered positive energy as I understand theory of GR used 
by the cosmologists.


In your model is anti-matter like the cosmologist’s dark energy with a 
repulsive force to real matter?  Oscillation along the time axis seems 
to be a key concept that distinguishes matter and antimatter.  Is this 
consistent with SM or GR?


Regarding your comment #4, can I infer that nuclear angular momentum 
is quantized for the same reason that electrons energies in nuclei are 
quantized in their orbits.


Jurg may be able to shed light on this inference.

Bob Cook

*From: *Andrew Meulenberg 
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 5, 2020 11:58 AM
*To: *VORTEX ; Andrew Meulenberg 


*Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Superconducting Metal Hydride

BOB,

Your 3 questions below can all be answered in the context of a 
"nuclear electron".


On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 1:38 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
 > wrote:


Is a free neutrino a magnetic resonance or magnetic flux rotation?

And why do neutrinos seem to emanate from nuclear/nucleon reactions?

And why is the parameter “angular momentum” only observed in
discrete quanta or as a discrete differential values on an
otherwise continuous scale of space and time?

 2. I propose that the neutrino is to beta decay as a photon is to
atomic-electron orbit decay. However,
 3. the neutrino is EM plus mass (EMM?) oscillation from a bound
relativistic electron. And, just as a photon does not have a fixed
electric or magnetic field, I do not believe that neutrino mass is
a fixed quantity. Since mass interaction is always attractive, a
non-zero average mass might be measured, even if it oscillates
equally along the time axis from matter to antimatter.
 4. Angular momentum is discreet for the same reason that electron
orbits are quantized. Integration along a closed path in a
conservative system has delta E = 0 (from one path to the next).
The path closure depends on all degrees of freedom. The direction
of a body's ang mom axis, which precesses, as a result of its
motion (a relativistic effect that gives the deBroglie relation)
and from its binding potential (providing a torque), must be
cyclic (just as the body's position and momentum must be cyclic
for a stable path) if path closure is to be achieved.

Item 3 is the classical basis for QM. Items 1 & 2 are not yet 
considered for the neutrino in nuclear and QM physics.


Andrew

 _ _ _

(Maybe space and time are also discrete quanta on an otherwise
continuous scale of a classical geometric math abstraction from
Newton on.)

Axil’s familiarity with SM may be able to answer these simple
questions.

IMHO Jurg’s SO(4) physics model with no universal time scale—only
discrete differential frequencies associated with magnet flux
rotation in distinct discrete volumes---may help explain the
angular momentum quanta deduced  from experimental observations.

As Russ George has noted, Jurg’s different nuclear magnetic
resonanc

RE: [Vo]:Superconducting Metal Hydride

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Leptoquark—It carries information.  That’s a new idea for me.

Is this just more SM fudgers making more fudge?  😊 I would hope there is a 
model for how these imaginary particles carry the information to their inter 
generational clients—other imaginary particles.

Bob Cook

---
From: Axil Axil
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 12:40 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Superconducting Metal Hydride

This particle is believed to have existed at the very beginning of the universe,

See
Leptoquark
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leptoquark

Leptoquarks are hypothetical particles that would carry information between a 
generation of quarks and a generation of leptons, thus allowing quarks and 
leptons to interact.

Current best limits on leptoquarks are set by LHC, which has been searching for 
the first, second, and third generation of leptoquarks and some 
mixed-generation leptoquarks.

Leptoquarks could explain the reason for the three generations of matter. 
Furthermore, leptoquarks could explain why the same number of quarks and 
leptons exist and many other similarities between the quark and the lepton 
sectors. At high energies, at which leptons (which are not affected by the 
strong force) and quarks (that cannot be separately observed because of the 
strong force) become one;

This particle could be an actor during the transmutation process in ultra dense 
matter
Holmlid could prove the existence of Leptoquarks.

Also

X and Y bosons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_and_Y_bosons

In particle physics, the X and Y bosons (sometimes collectively called "X 
bosons"[1]:437) are hypothetical elementary particles analogous to the W and Z 
bosons,

The EVO may be producing these industrial strength "Intermediate Vector Bosons"

The X and Y bosons couple quarks to leptons, allowing violation of the 
conservation of baryon number, and thus permitting proton decay.<

Since Holmlid is seeing proton decay, he may be producing these powerful IVBs

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:43 AM Jones Beene 
mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote:
Nicholas Palmer wrote:

This brings to mind the 'Cincinnati group' ... The late lamented Chris Tinsley 
showed me a tile which he had burned right through himself using the CCs 
'secret sauce' which he told me contained zirconium... coincidence?


Not only the zirconium turns up unexpectedly --- Lochak et al mention vanadium 
as being especially active in LENR...

Hmm... yet another coincidence?

(the Oak Ridge results were with a hydride of zirconium and vanadium)

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/db63/d5e889be09ad59c4cabc92354ee692e9876e.pdf

RE: [Vo]:Superconducting Metal Hydride

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Andrew—


  1.  Regarding a statement in comment #2: . “Since mass interaction is always 
attractive, a non-zero average mass might be measured, even if it oscillates 
equally along the time axis from matter to antimatter,” I note the following.
Cosmologists consider that dark energy is causing the expansion of the Universe 
in opposition of mass and associated its  attraction.  This suggests a negative 
mass is equivalent to negative energy.  But dark energy is considered positive 
energy as I understand theory of GR used by the cosmologists.
In your model is anti-matter like the cosmologist’s dark energy with a 
repulsive force to real matter?  Oscillation along the time axis seems to be a 
key concept that distinguishes matter and antimatter.  Is this consistent with 
SM or GR?
Regarding your comment #4, can I infer that nuclear angular momentum is 
quantized for the same reason that electrons energies in nuclei are quantized 
in their orbits.
Jurg may be able to shed light on this inference.
Bob Cook

From: Andrew Meulenberg
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 11:58 AM
To: VORTEX; Andrew 
Meulenberg
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Superconducting Metal Hydride

BOB,

Your 3 questions below can all be answered in the context of a "nuclear 
electron".

On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 1:38 PM 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Is a free neutrino a magnetic resonance or magnetic flux rotation?

And why do neutrinos seem to emanate from nuclear/nucleon reactions?

  And why is the parameter “angular momentum” only observed in discrete quanta 
or as a discrete differential values on an otherwise continuous scale of space 
and time?

  1.  I propose that the neutrino is to beta decay as a photon is to 
atomic-electron orbit decay. However,
  2.  the neutrino is EM plus mass (EMM?) oscillation from a bound relativistic 
electron. And, just as a photon does not have a fixed electric or magnetic 
field, I do not believe that neutrino mass is a fixed quantity. Since mass 
interaction is always attractive, a non-zero average mass might be measured, 
even if it oscillates equally along the time axis from matter to antimatter.
  3.  Angular momentum is discreet for the same reason that electron orbits are 
quantized. Integration along a closed path in a conservative system has delta E 
= 0 (from one path to the next). The path closure depends on all degrees of 
freedom. The direction of a body's ang mom axis, which precesses, as a result 
of its motion (a relativistic effect that gives the deBroglie relation) and 
from its binding potential (providing a torque), must be cyclic (just as the 
body's position and momentum must be cyclic for a stable path) if path closure 
is to be achieved.
Item 3 is the classical basis for QM. Items 1 & 2 are not yet considered for 
the neutrino in nuclear and QM physics.

Andrew
 _ _ _
(Maybe space and time are also discrete quanta on an otherwise continuous scale 
of a classical geometric math abstraction from Newton on.)

Axil’s  familiarity with SM may be able to answer these simple questions.

IMHO Jurg’s SO(4) physics model with no universal time scale—only discrete 
differential frequencies associated with magnet flux rotation in distinct 
discrete volumes---may help explain the angular momentum quanta deduced  from 
experimental observations.

As Russ George has noted, Jurg’s different nuclear magnetic resonance 
calculations stemming from the SO(4) Physics model of specific nuclear isotopes 
has borne fruit in designing good LENR fuel systems, subject to magnetic 
manipulations in a reactor.

Bob Cook


From: aJs ones Beene
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 9:16 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Superconducting Metal Hydride

Jürg

This is very interesting assuming one can use this information to engineer 
proton disintegration with minimal input energy.

To that end, it would seem necessary to know the resonance wavelengths in 
question (or frequency of the 1/7th and 1/9th waves). From that information, 
one could presumably try to maximally disrupt that resonance, possibly with a 
beat wave.

Would this be the basic 53 MeV resonance you mention or is there a lower value 
which works?

In the standard model, the scattering cross-section of the proton is around 1.5 
fm (or 11 MeV) IIRC so there is a big gap there with available lasers.

Presumably Holmlid is doing this kind of disintegration with a laser. Holmlid 
may have stumbled onto an effective wavelength which is not optimum. Who knows? 
Perhaps his laser somehow stimulates a much shorter wavelength.

Jones



Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:

> The allowed torus resonances are 7 and 9 waves.  The proton base state has 9 
> waves The Holmlid proton split seen from the proton is: One out of 9 
> proton waves starts the an o

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

[Jones Beene]

 The normal death rate for China before this tragedy is at least 2.1 % 
according to Wiki the wise. The population of Wuhan alone is over 11 million. 
(I had no idea it was that large). 

Thus in a normal year the local infrastructure handles over 230,000 deaths. 
Presumably most deaths are followed by cremation.

An extra 10% over the normal rate would certainly be unusual, but possibly 
could be quietly handled. 

China is famous for its night shifts. Tesla built a factory there in a year 
that would have taken 4-5 years anywhere else. Gruesome as it is too imagine, 
adding an extra shift at the mortuary would not be big news.



Jed Rothwell wrote:  
 This report indicates there may be 25,000 dead. I think such large numbers 
would impossible to cover up. They could only be dealt with by mass burials 
with machinery, like after a large battle in war. Most people in China nowadays 
have cell phones with cameras. Photos and accounts would circulate.
No doubt the number of cases and deaths are underestimated, but I doubt the 
underestimates are this large.
  

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

[Jed Rothwell]

This report indicates there may be 25,000 dead. I think such large numbers
would impossible to cover up. They could only be dealt with by mass burials
with machinery, like after a large battle in war. Most people in China
nowadays have cell phones with cameras. Photos and accounts would circulate.

No doubt the number of cases and deaths are underestimated, but I doubt the
underestimates are this large.

[Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

[Terry Blanton]

*Tencent may have accidentally leaked real data on Wuhan virus deaths*

*Tencent briefly lists 154,023 infections and 24,589 deaths from Wuhan
coronavirus*



https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594

Re: [Vo]:Superconducting Metal Hydride

[Axil Axil]

This particle is believed to have existed at the very beginning of the
universe,

See
Leptoquark
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leptoquark

Leptoquarks are hypothetical particles that would carry information between
a generation of quarks and a generation of leptons, thus allowing quarks
and leptons to interact.

Current best limits on leptoquarks are set by LHC, which has been searching
for the first, second, and third generation of leptoquarks and some
mixed-generation leptoquarks.

Leptoquarks could explain the reason for the three generations of matter.
Furthermore, leptoquarks could explain why the same number of quarks and
leptons exist and many other similarities between the quark and the lepton
sectors. At high energies, at which leptons (which are not affected by the
strong force) and quarks (that cannot be separately observed because of the
strong force) become one;

This particle could be an actor during the transmutation process in ultra
dense matter
Holmlid could prove the existence of Leptoquarks.

Also

X and Y bosons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_and_Y_bosons

In particle physics, the X and Y bosons (sometimes collectively called "X
bosons"[1]:437) are hypothetical elementary particles analogous to the W
and Z bosons,

The EVO may be producing these industrial strength "Intermediate Vector
Bosons"

The X and Y bosons couple quarks to leptons, allowing violation of the
conservation of baryon number, and thus permitting proton decay.<

Since Holmlid is seeing proton decay, he may be producing these powerful
IVBs

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:43 AM Jones Beene  wrote:

> Nicholas Palmer wrote:
>
> This brings to mind the 'Cincinnati group' ... The late lamented Chris
> Tinsley showed me a tile which he had burned right through himself using
> the CCs 'secret sauce' which he told me contained zirconium... coincidence?
>
>
> Not only the zirconium turns up unexpectedly --- Lochak et al mention
> vanadium as being especially active in LENR...
>
> Hmm... yet another coincidence?
>
> (the Oak Ridge results were with a hydride of zirconium and vanadium)
>
>
> https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/db63/d5e889be09ad59c4cabc92354ee692e9876e.pdf
>
>