On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Roarty, Francis X
francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote:
I don't see why the direction of the 2 friends matter
When it comes to the ability to observe the rate of time the other party is
experiencing it is everything.
If one friend sees the other as receding, this
Time to go back to work on the ol' FTL drive...
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 7:31 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
From the Daily Grail:
In his wonderful fictional series The Hitchhiker's Guide to the
Galaxy, the late Douglas Adams introduced the 'Total Perspective
Vortex' - a
it would be
straight line then time dilation would never exist since all paths are
curved in practice as we are orbiting stars, galaxies etc...
John
They need to eventually come to rest at the same location to make an
accurate comparison. Some might argue that a signal could be sent between
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 2:46 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I do not follow your description of the trains. What is the purpose of
the relative speed being 99.9%c during construction?
Because the reason given for which twin in the classic twin paradox is
younger comes down to
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 6:56 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
John, it is great that we are now in agreement concerning my example of
the two parallel moving charges. It comes as a complete surprise to me
that you now accept the fact that the field observed by the stationary lab
frame and compressed in another.
If the result of the magnetic force being seen to act on one frame as
expected from the flux in another leads to a dramatic and non-trivial
paradox, it is going to be harder to keep up the delusion that such is
possible.
John
, it won't exist in
electric to magnetic.
John
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 9:14 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:53 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Dramatic!
As alternate way of revealing the paradox, I imagined the two charged
balls connected
by the electrons moving slightly faster,
then this would imply that a coil that not only approaches a magnet but is
given a twist should have a larger voltage induced since the pancaking of
the electrons would be greater.
John
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 7:06 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote
evidenced on the rotating frame?
I have heard of HV charged disks effecting a compass.
John
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:46 AM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
My view on SR is of course that it can not be possible.
But it does give some interesting and correct answers, now
due to 250 experiments performed?
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 1:51 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-First-Test-That-Proves-General-Theory-of-Relativity-Wrong-20259.shtml
According to Einstein's theory of general relativity, a moving mass
should
the electric field just disappear?
Am I making a major error in these assumptions anywhere?
John
there.
And that the electric field velocity would exceed the speed of light, even
before distances became that significant.
John
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
The gravity modification principle explained in the other thread was based
on photons enclosed
suddenly, or grow larger if a tiny
result was initially detected.
However if the electrons moving with the electrons on the other wire saw
the protons making a magnetic field, this result would not take place.
I hope this is not too hard to test as it could be a very illuminating
experiment.
John
in an N-machine without 2 reference frames
for the same reasons, opposing voltages are induced.
With a hall effect censor the current through the censor provides the
second reference frame.
A hall effect censor looks a lot like a solid state N-machine.
John
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:01 PM, John
Here is a sample:
http://benthamscience.com/ebooks/Sample/9781608053995-sample.pdf
You can buy it for $30 here:
http://www.eurekaselect.com/100222/chapter/study-of-light-interaction-with-gravity-impulses-and-measurements-of-the-speed-of-gravity-impulse
You may be able to get it off this guy
reference frame and the other had to accelerate to reach this
reference frame, it would seem odd as they meet to find they they have
different rates of time!
Time dilation without a preferred reference frame is a total nonsense.
John
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 6:21 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote:
Let's take a pulse of light, some observers on the ground measuring the
time this pulse takes to traverse 2 detectors 1 meter apart, they get
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:54 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 2:38 AM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote:
Are you arguing that this is impossible?
This is a thought experiment so it only has to be theoretically possible
to make such a measuring
mirror.
John
Axil, I had not heard of loop quantum gravity before, I appreciate an
introduction to the theory.
But it also gave me a good laugh that something called loop quantum gravity
has no concept for how gravity could work.
John
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:16 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 5:43 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
John,
Let's think about the magnetic field analysis first since that is
relatively easy to visualize. First, I think that we are in agreement that
a magnetic field generated as a consequence of the motion of a charged
charged tennis ball is an accurate stand in for the
stationary protons in a wire.
John
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
It would be more meaningful if this discussion were move to tennis balls
from electrons and magnetic fields. Electrons
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:16 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Slow down a bit John. You get way ahead of yourself and it is too
painful for me to attempt to explain the SR side of the issue without some
agreements. I will attempt to answer a few of your questions, but why
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:25 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
John,
Eric is right about the constancy of c being a *postulate* from which
time-dilation and length contraction are derived.
However, that doesn't discount your thought experiments as a way of
probing the coherence
that the electrons moving in the
wire should see the protons (net positive relative moving charge) in the
other wire as moving past them, and hence making a magnetic field that they
should feel an attractive force from?
And if not, then why not?
John
Dave
-Original Message-
From: John Berry
for an observer on the earth frame.
John
Dave
-Original Message-
From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Feb 19, 2014 6:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation impossibility
John,
Eric is right about the constancy of c being a *postulate
identical) is if each one interacts with a photon that occurs only
in their reference frame.
But this idea has problems as a photon could be avoided, or 'met' twice (or
more) with changes in velocity.
John
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 1:15 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 20
Axil, who are you asking?
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:20 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Intense EMF will breakdown the vacuum, electric fields produce
electron/positron particle pairs that do not immediately self-annihilate;
intense magnetic fields produce mesons out of the vacuum.
stationary relative
to the Lab reference frame.
Also epo's might be one thing, but are you discounting everything else?
John
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
The vacuum is composed of polarized electron positron pairs (epo).
http://blog.hasslberger.com
through a preferred frame.
It addresses the impossibility of equal opportunity time dilation.
John
am not the
only one to make these arguments.
John
did see such a protonic B-field
would they not be attracted from cutting through it like that?
Maybe if we work on one point at a time we can get somewhere.
John
Perhaps later we can pick up where we are leaving off. It does neither of
us any good to beat a dead horse.
Dave
-Original
of something that can
exist, the aether, than proof of something that can't (all frames being
equal and experiencing unequal time dilation equally).
John
.
You might, but only be dogmatically believing in something you can't
understand or explain or defend without opting out of the argument.
And this might still seem more attractive than the aether to you, but that
doesn't make you right or even coherent.
John
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:05 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Many will disagree with your assessment of SR John. That is OK since it
is good for people to question the accepted theories. Perhaps you will
find someone else willing to spend the time attempting to modify your
if the protons in one wire are
attracted to the protons in the other, what the need is for the electrons
to be moving for them to feel this force?
John
in issue if
your concept is flawed.
John
The second phi is the same as the 3rd symbol font phi in chrome.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 7:20 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
The one that is giving me trouble is phi a circle with a line though it.
This is what Greek has:
φ Φ
They are not quite right. Here it is in symbol
font.
.
Anyone have any clue what kind of force might be expected for a given
sphere at an attainable voltage?
Or how many gauss might occur?
Has much work been done to probe for existence of tiny magnetic fields
around HV charged objects under various conditions?
John
Therefore, it also seems
Doppler
effects are calculated for or eliminated by communicating time rate at
right angles to the direction of relative motion.
John
Perhaps this line of reasoning is interesting to further pursue.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l
that agrees with all physical
evidence besides an entrained aether?
And if the aether is entrained, then can an electrodynamic experiment to
prove or disprove this not be found?
John
?
John
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:21 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
Originally the aether was thought to exist, but it was hoped the earth
would move though it rather than entrain it, maybe as a continued departure
from earth centric thinking, or more likely because a static
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 5:27 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
John, you make a lot of interesting arguments, but special relativity
always seems to come through with the right answers.
Mostly true, but it gives the same answers as an entrained aether.
Remember that SR is largely
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 6:39 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote:
Also, I would genuinely like to know if anyone disagrees with my
arguments, or fails to understand them.
I had a hard time following your
given with light
moving in the direction of the train, never against.
Surely if it is genuine then these simple arguments can be easily solved,
so please disabuse my of these crazy ideas.
Explain these flaws.
John
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 5:27 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
John
.
John
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 5:03 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
John,
It would be difficult to answer your questions without taking a lot of
time so I think that you should keep one main thought in mind. All of the
effects that I am describing are those seen
where it has failed and these cases are
consistent with an entrained aether, apparently GPS satellite systems show
such issues.*
Can you say more about GPS satellite systems an their issues with the
aether or provide a reference.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:35 AM, John Berry berry.joh
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 9:37 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote:
Ok, let's keep it really simple.
Can you explain how a moving 'train' could measure the velocity of the
same photon/s as a stationary observer
mistaken on all of this since I have largely ignored the
subject so I am sure i could be schooled on this point.
John
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 1:07 AM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote:
Dave, I think the simple answer is to recognize that a magnetic field
only exists due to motion
David, if the electrons do not see that in their world view, then the
second one is hardly exposed to something that does not exist for it.
Every electrically charged object has in other reference frames various
magnetic fields, the axis and direction of the magnetic field is decided by
the
And on Chrome.
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:29 PM, Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk wrote:
I get greek: running thunderbird on windows 7
Nigel
On 16/02/2014 06:36, H Veeder wrote:
This is a test to see if the greek letters I have copied and pasted into
this message are preserved as they
.
And this can obviously be used for information transfer.
John
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:50 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
I'm not sure that I even understand what it meant by the phrase.
If you were a little confused
wouldn't work either.
So here if either Free Energy of proof of an aether.
I'd rather both of course.
John
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 3:48 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Jones,
I was just curious about how electrons would behave at ever higher
velocities. The idea came to me one
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 5:41 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
What is the source of the magnetism?
Motion of the electrons through an electromagnetic reference frame in
violation of SR?
If only moving electrons are considered, and no static charges exist.
Harry
On Sun, Feb 16,
either assist or retard the
current.
Since this is not known, does this disprove that this force exists, at
least in a relativistic sense. It could still exist with motion through a
reference frame since in that case the protons aren't moving and as such
are excluded from this interaction.
John
could compress in front and stretch
out the back.
But this would lead to induction opposite to the norm.
Can anyone explain how this force could have gone unobserved?
Are these arguments flawed?
John
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:59 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
In his model
It would make sense, a Doppler like effect is very reasonable with electric
fields.
Now if this is so, it is very possible that gravity could be explained this
way.
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 7:09 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
James Bowery and other vortex members,
Today I learned
is manifested fully before the external
field is, which means we have open lines of magnetic flux in the center of
a magnet.
I am not sure if this seem so interesting if the convenient lines of force
is dropped for a more accurate vector analysis model.
John
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 7:44 PM, H Veeder
The creation of charge? The creation of electrons?
Any FE device that does this is wasting energy by manifesting matter.
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
at which the ions move through the room seems anomalous.
There are other inventors that seem to conduct electrons through
insulators, and this has been found in Tesla Coils too.
So maybe it is possible to aetherically/quantum jump/slip electrons that
are suitably conditioned.
John
On Thu, Feb 13
.
Please answer either way.
Thanks,
John
Slight improvement: http://imageshack.com/a/img191/665/0o55.png
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 9:15 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, some of you may remember that I designed images that I claim effect
the background energy of space (aether, dark matter/energy, higgs field,
quantum
://imageshack.com/a/img713/8647/megf.png
Place your palm to the right side of your monitor in-line with the long
string of methologies used in this one.
Alternately feel the front of the screen.
John
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:54 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
Slight improvement: http
The energy it stirs up can persist for a while.
If these spots are where various parts of the image are, it is more likely
you are feeling a non-physical energy effected by the images.
John
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 6:10 AM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote:
Some areas feel warmer than
to run double blind controls over the internet. Why don't you?
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 2:15 AM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, some of you may remember that I designed images that I claim effect
the background energy of space (aether, dark matter/energy, higgs field,
quantum foam
is formed in an energy field, it
forms a connection to that energy.
So I can't make an image with no energy, I can however make 2 similar
looking images with very different (contrasting) energy activity levels.
John
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:28 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
From
, and the lines bending when feed AC.
John
is an illusion created by electric
fields being unmasked by the distorting effects of motion is certainly not
saying motion is an illusion.
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:42 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:25 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
Except for when I
with no voltage, even though none can
be read by any instrument?
John
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:42 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
While looking at reviews for Caver A. Mead's book, I read a review that
said he made a mistake including voltage in a calculation for
superconductors.
Now I think that there must be voltage of a type in
in motion, if SR is correct then a magnetic field that occurs in one
reference frame does not occur in a co-moving frame.
Magnetic fields are a useful fiction, but hardly real.
John
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:03 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:58 PM, John Berry
John R. Huizenga, then Sven Kullander and now Emilio del Giudice.
It would seem to be a bad time to be older and on either side of LENR.
On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 9:55 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
Cold fusion has lost a good friend: professor
Emilio del Giudice (born 1940) has
It is likely that the exact value of the fine structure constant is not
significant as it appears to change based on energy (1/128 at 80 GEV) and
seems to vary over time.
So 137 might be a decent integer approximation of a value that changes
under varying circumstances.
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
43%? Are you sure? I think it should be 51.8%. Then again, depending on
his grades at Yale, maybe only 47.53%. Just spitballing here . . . but I
don't see where you came up with 43%.
- Jed
While naturally some
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 8:12 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It is enlightening to consider the structure of the universe and the many
wonders that it reveals to us. Keep asking the right questions and you
will find appropriate answers.
I have observed the behavior of
Ok, good to know.
Now may I ask, what is the difference between the proposal of the
conversation of mass...
And the proposal of the conservation of energy? (accepted to be false)
Why is it any more logical that energy be conserved than mass be conserved?
John
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:41
being supplied?
It sure seems unlikely, but a reaction that needs to be stopped from going
out of control makes more sense as far as I can see.
Can anyone suggest how a non-exotic scam would be likely to explode in such
a fashion?
John
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Jones Beene jone
David, you show a most annoying circular reasoning trap.
First you fail to recognize the obvious resistance to a product that will
put oil and energy companies out of business, one of the biggest there is.
Next you say that you would require an extraordinary level of evidence to
believe in it.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:31 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Sorry John. You are correct about what you say to a certain extent. How
much resistance do you think the general public would exhibit to owning a
vehicle that runs virtually for free?
Virtually zero
the CoE was proposed,
but probably only because it would have seemed obvious.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:10 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:31 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote:
Sorry John. You are correct about what you say to a certain extent
that have billions of possible outcomes every
millisecond, this would split off universes in a perhaps more rapid way
than happens with natural phenomena. (or not?)
Hastening the quantum apocalypse!
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:36 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
Here are some thoughts
an insignificant amount of money
from a lot of people to one person who now has a really useful amount of
money (millions). The risk is high but quite insignificant, the reward is
huge however improbable.
Maybe gambling should be compared to narcotics, only not as illegal.
John
Huh, the subject line sounds like a pun, it's even-even so it's a photon
fission. And it's nickel 62 by a neutron!
I didn't expect it to be serious.
All the dumb money in that race was on too hot to trot and donut daze
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree. This is nothing more than alloying, say having an impurity in Na
metal or an excess of chlorine in NaCl.
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
This paper by Oganov is full of exaggerations. High pressure has been used
for years to create new
.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: John Franks jf27...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Dec 21, 2013 8:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Collective Phenomena
So if that little guy is a proton against the 10^8 -10^9 collective of
other protons with thermal energy 25meV
Wakefield generator? Free electron laser?
The money spent on PP is shocking and one could argue that there are more
pressing problems and what was done previously, was a misallocation of
resources.
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 2:55 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Etched glass could
How is this a cycle though?
Unless grandma funds more research into the subject...
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Blaze Spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php?f=1174
Vo,
I was thinking about your desire to have quasi-particles, which are low
energy collective phenomena operating over several 10s of nm, somehow do
the impossible and behave like a real particle with reduced charge etc. It
is understood that quasi particles are a approximation attempt to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_drift
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi :)
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 8:05 AM, John Franks jf27...@gmail.com wrote:
I was thinking about your desire to have quasi-particles, which are low
energy collective
wrote:
...
When one of the bodies is much smaller than the other two, the little guy
can be sent packing in a hurry.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: John Franks jf27...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Dec 21, 2013 11:43 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Collective
If CF is real, why doesn't it occur in white dwarves with their high
temperature and pressure electron degenerate matter? After all, that is the
belief system of CF in cramming these lattices with hydrogen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_dwarf
The material in a white dwarf no longer
Furthermore,
The density of white dwarves is some 10^6g/cm^3 compared to water at
1g/cm^3. This would mean that the inter-nuclei spacing was 1/100 of water.
Now Muon catalyzed fusion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion which
we know works brings the nuclei 1/207 of the distance
occur as radiation would be limited by the small size and SB law so
that hot fusion would occur again and a supernova would result. In that
case all main sequence stars would end up as neutron stars or black holes
and the sky would be littered with them.
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 10:03 AM, John
With respect, who the f... are you? Are you a faculty member of any half
decent university? Will I find you in Nature, Science or Phys. Rev?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:05 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
In short, if you can't even get in the ball park of white dwarf matter in
the lab, what
The only thing a metal lattice has is periodicity, it certainly wouldn't
have the density of a white dwarf. So, this leads to the question, what has
periodicity got to do with cold fusion?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
John Franks jf27...@gmail.com
, and found a hole to crawl into. Why are you
still wasting everyone's time with your antagonism? Are you mentally
dependent on catharsis and trolling?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:24 AM, John Franks jf27...@gmail.com wrote:
With respect, who the f... are you? Are you a faculty member of any half
You wot?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:35 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
What do you need to make a strong electromagnet? Just line up the
electron spins. The electrons are already moving.
What do you need to make a strong long range spin orbit force magnet.
Line a the nuclear spins and get
You're just like the Bessler's Wheel crowd. You're convinced that some new
arrangement of the weights and arm length will make the wheel turn around
in perpetuity.
Everyone will tell you, until you sort out the mechanism (not nuts and
bolts) but how this would be possible in a conservative field,
Watts today.
Pathological Science.
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:53 PM, John Franks jf27...@gmail.com wrote:
You're just like the Bessler's Wheel crowd. You're convinced that some new
arrangement of the weights and arm length will make the wheel turn around
in perpetuity.
Everyone will tell you
What's the COP? Why don't they just commercialise it?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:04 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes R. A. ORIANI, JOHN C. NELSON, SUNG-KYU LEE, and J. H. BROADHURST
University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, Minnesota are just like Bessler's
Wheel crowd
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