[Vo]:BBC - Future - Why are more and more oil ships anchoring off Singapore?

[Patrick Ellul]

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160628-why-are-more-and-more-oil-ships-anchoring-off-singapore

Too much supply.

Re: [Vo]:Validity of E-Cat 1 MW plant test

[Patrick Ellul]

On 22 May 2016 1:04 AM, "Jed Rothwell"  wrote:

> The temperature was just over 100 deg C according to Rossi.

Where did you get this quote from Rossi?

Re: [Vo]:Validity of E-Cat 1 MW plant test

[Patrick Ellul]

>
> and there is no ventilation system in the reactor shipping container,
> - Jed
>
> Perhaps you missed the part that said "There was also a ventilation
system that conveyed the warm air toward the windows of the ceiling" He was
definitely talking about the reactor container there.

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

[Patrick Ellul]

Jed,

Well, he might accept it in return for a large sum of money.
>

Why would IH pay a large sum of money for something that produced no excess
energy whatsoever?

Thank you for your insight.

Patrick

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

[Patrick Ellul]

Jed,

If it is a matter of calorimetry as you insist, why would they ever settle
out of court?

Rossi claims it totally rocked while IH claim it totally did not work
whatsoever.

Settlement would mean that there is a middle ground in terms of success
based on calorimetry.
Settlement would mean that it worked at the very least a little bit.

Rossi will never accept that it did not work at all.

Best regards,
Patrick

Re: [Vo]:Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

[Patrick Ellul]

> There is one thing known for sure. I.H. says it does not work, whereas
> Rossi says it does. I can judge which side is probably right, based on
> their track records. I am not jumping to conclusions. I think that I.H. has
> credibility and expertise.
>
>
Jed, IH was created to buy out Rossi. IH and Rossi are highly intertwined
when it comes to credibility at least. Since then they also bought out some
of Rossi's competitors. So it's not IH as such that you trust as having
more expertise, but Rossi's competitors. You obviously know and are in
contact with some of these competitors. Best regards.

Re: [Vo]:Re: I.H. press release responding to Rossi

[Patrick Ellul]

The attorney of the defendants: http://www.jonesday.com/crjpace/

[Vo]:Brillouin, McKubre, Industrial Heat, Rossi, Jed

[Patrick Ellul]

So IH invested in Brillouin (BEC).
BEC's team seems to have strengthened a lot.
http://brillouinenergy.com/about/leadership/
It includes Carl Page.
McKubre is effectively an insider to IH.
He/his team is probably the one who convinced IH that Rossi's thing does
not work.
BEC is obviously in direct competition with Leonardo Corp (LC).
IH have chosen BEC over LC.
Jed and McKubre are good acquaintances.
Just saying.
Regards.

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

[Patrick Ellul]

The location of the factory where the 1MW plant ran is not public.
The identity of the customer is also not publicly known, nor what they used
the heat for. It is suggested that the customer manufacters chemicals.
Jed must be speculating, or he is privy to inside information.
Regards.

Re: [Vo]:Anyone have a TL;DR for what is going on with Rossi and reports and lawsuits?

[Patrick Ellul]

Rossi claims that ERV (Penon) report is 100% positive with 50x energy so he
wants IH to pay up so he files a lawsuit with documentation.
IH issued a very short press release rejecting the claims.
Jed Rothwell says that someone he trusts inside IH says that the ERV report
is very flawed.
The report is still unpublished.


On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Esa J. Ruoho  wrote:

> A TL;DR is basically a short, in-a-nutshell type summary of what has been
> going on.
> Oh and The letters stand for
>
> Too Long; Didn't Read
>
>
> Sent from some iDevice. Written by Esa.

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

[Patrick Ellul]

Patrick Ellul

April 13, 2016 at 7:13 AM

Dear Andrea,

Jed Rothwell alleges that there is a second ERV of the 1 year 1MW plat test
and that his report draws an opposite conclusion to the the one from the
ERV that you described.

Does this second ERV exist?

Best regards,
Patrick

Andrea Rossi

April 13, 2016 at 7:52 AM

Patrick Ellul:
Jed Rothwell is an intelligent person and has a remarkable sense of humour.
Obviously he is joking.
The only ERV has been the one accepted by contract from both the
counterparts with a signed agreement.
It is true that IH had their men constantly in the plant all the 352 days
of the tests, and never said anything was wrong. As well as it is true that
Tom Darden, JT Vaughn and their investors from Woodford and from China have
been in the plant many times, have talked with the director of JM in his
office of the factory, have made their investors talk with the director of
JM, who said good things giving good references, based on which Woodford
has given to Tom Darden 50-60 millions of dollars and the Chinese started
with him a 200 million concern in China.
Tom Darden , IT Vaughn also in this case danced like opera ballet etoiles
around their investors, the director of JM, myself chanting ” Stellar,
stellar”. No remarks of any sort have been communicated from IH, Cherokee
Fund or Woodfors, let alone the Chinese, about the plant, the ERV, the
Customer. Until our bill loomed. Witnesses available. In due time and place.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's customer

[Patrick Ellul]

Henry W. Johnson is a lawyer just hiding the actual customer by being
nominated president of the shell company that is owned by a British Company.
Not unlike the Panama Papers business.

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> I see now that Free Energy Scams has connected Henry W. Johnson to
> Leonardo Corp [1]:
>
> Leonardo 03-03-2014 — ANNUAL REPORT
> There were two major changes in this filing:
> • Andrea Rossi became CEO.
> • Henry W. Johnson became President.
>
>
> I do not know how to substantiate this detail.
>
> Eric
>
>
> [1]
> http://freeenergyscams.com/andrea-rossi-ecat-industrial-heat-llc-conclusions-drawn-from-the-n-c-radiation-protection-report/
>



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Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

[Patrick Ellul]

Rossi responds back to IH with 3 strong statements.

Andrea Rossi
April 7, 2016 at 7:27 PM
Dear Janne:
I have to comment the press release of IH, being a press release and not a
forensic act.
They made the Lugano reactor ( they also signed it ) they made many
replications of which we have due record and witnesses, they made multiple
patent applications ( without my authotization ) with their chief engineer
as the co-inventor ( he invented nothing ) , with detailed description of
the replications , they made replications with the attendance of Woodford,
after which they got 50 or 60 millions of dollars from Woodfords’
investors, they made replications with the attendance of Chinese top level
officers, after which they started thanks to the E-Cat they made an R
activity in China in a 200 millions concern, they made replications with an
E-Cat completely made by them under my direction the very day in which the
1 MW plant has been delivered in Raleigh, they made replications that we
have recorded. After the replication they made with the attendance of
Woodford in 2013 Mr Tom Darden said publicly: ” this replication has been
stellar” ( witnesses available). But this is not the place to discuss this.
We have prepared 18 volumes to explain exactly and in detail the activity
of our “Licensee” and his acquaintances from 2013 to now. Until they had to
collect money thanks to the E-Cat, they made replications and have been
happy with the E-Cat; when it turned to have to pay, they discovered that
they never made replications, that the ERV that they had chosen in
agreement with us was not good, that the test on the 1 MW plant, thanks to
which they collected enormous amounts of money from the investors and where
I put at risk my health working 16-18 hours per day was not a good test (
but for all the year of the test they NEVER said a single word of
complaint, even if they had constantly their men in the plant), etc etc.
But the worse has still to come out. The worse is in the 18 volumes we will
present in due time, in due place. A blog is not the right place to discuss
a litigation. This is only a quick answer to the press release made by IH.
Ad majora.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Hank Mills:
They prepared everything, the charges, the body of the reactor EVERYTHING
!!!.
I just teached to them what to do.
They never used anything pre-prepared by Leonardo Corp.
Now, let me talk to you of a very singular coincidence: Brillouin has
always made only electrolytic apparatuses: go to read all their patent
applications made before their agreement with IH, and you will find
confirmation of what I am saying ( I know their patents by heart, because I
have studied them and probably I know them better than themselves : I wrote
about 100 pages of notes about their patents ). And now the singular
coincidence: they make the agreement with IH in April 2015, and Voilà, they
made a public demo in Capitol Hill ( Washington, DC) with a device that is
the Copy-Cat of something I am familiar with. Nothing that Brillouin has
ever made before the agreement with IH. What a coincidence !!!
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Hank Mills:
In the press release of IH they write that ” for three years they tried to
replicate the Rossi effect, with no avail”: very good, but during those
three years Industrial Heat collected about 60 million dollars from
Woodford, more millions from other sources, exclusively based on my E-Cats
technology. This before making shopping to buy other patents. Now, the
cases are two: either they are lying when they say they didn’t replicate,
or they made a fraud collecting 60 millions from Woodford, more from
others, not to mention Cherokee fund. You had to see Tom Darden and JT
Vaughn dance like ballet etoiles around the investors, showing them the
E-Cats, and telling them that the E-Cats had been built by them! “Stellar”
coherently Darden, in his role of etoile, repeated to the enchanted
attandees, ready to spend 50 millions. Now, that my bill arrived, the E-Cat
had not been replicated , they say. For three years.
Again, I am just answering to a press release of IH.
Warm Regards,
A.R.


On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:47 PM, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
>>
>> No, the $10 million is definitely not in escrow.
>>
>
> Indeed, Jed is right.  From the complaint filed by Leonardo:
>
> "58. Upon conclusion of the Validation Test on or about May 2, 2013,the
> ERV certified
> that the E-Cat Unit satisfied each of the Validation requirements within
> the Validation Test period and IH paid to LEONARDO the second payment of
> Ten Million Dollars ($10,000,000.00) in accordance with the terms of the
> License Agreement and amendments thereto."
>



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Re: [Vo]:Rossi's customer

[Patrick Ellul]

"JMC is owned by an entity formed in the United Kingdom and none of
Leonardo, Dr. Andrea Rossi, Henry W. Johnson nor any of their respective
subsidiaries, directors, officers, agents, employees, affiliates.
significant others, or relatives by blood or marriage has any ownership
interest in JMC."
someone suggests it might be british http://chemicals.matthey.com/

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Frank Acland  wrote:

> I think this might be the same Henry Johnson:
>
> http://hwjlaw.net/who-we-are.html
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Eric Walker 
> wrote:
>
>> This link [1] suggests that Henry Johnson is possibly a lawyer, i.e.,
>> someone you would expect to register unrelated companies:
>>
>> "Note - registrations for dissimilar business entities suggest the
>> registered agent is a lawyer or third party filing on behalf of the
>> business owner(s)"
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> [1] https://www.statelog.com/j-m-chemical-products-inc-boca-raton-fl
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Alan Fletcher  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/Coral-Springs/henry-w-johnson-14210.aspx
>>>
>>> Coral Springs, FL — President for Bellwether Global Corporation
>>>
>>> Henry Johnson has been associated with forty-three companies, according
>>> to public records. The companies were formed over a forty-five year period
>>> with the most recent being incorporated one year ago in March of 2015.
>>> Fifteen of the companies are still active while the remaining twenty-eight
>>> are now listed as inactive.
>>>
>>> Including :
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/Miami-Beach/leonardo-corporation/66632333.aspx
>>>
>>> Johnson President, Rossi CEO
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/Miami-Beach/refc-real-estate-corp/137192381.aspx
>>>
>>> Johnson President, Rossi CEO
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Eric Walker" 
>>> *To: *"vortex-l" 
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 6, 2016 8:18:22 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Rossi's customer
>>>
>>> Interestingly, that looks like a normal business park:
>>>
>>> https://goo.gl/V4AOLX
>>>
>>> I noticed this registration information for JM Chemical Products in Boca
>>> Raton:
>>> https://www.statelog.com/j-m-chemical-products-inc-boca-raton-fl
>>>
>>> The registration took place in July 2014.  According to the lawsuit, IH
>>> and IPH were delinquent in finding a facility to test the 1MW E-Cat, and
>>> Rossi had to find one himself.  Here is what the suit then says:
>>>
>>> 63. Despite IH's and IPH's continued failure to secure an adequate
>>> testing facility, ROSSI took it upon himself to locate and secure a
>>> location in which to conduct the Guaranteed Performance Test, as well as
>>> obtain the requisite regulatory approvals for the operation of the ECat
>>> Unit.
>>> 64. On or before August 13,2014, ROSSI and LEONARDO located a customer
>>> in Miami, Florida, who agreed to allow its facility to be used for the
>>> Guaranteed Performance Test and even agreed to pay IH up to One Thousand
>>> Dollars ($1,000.00) per day for the energy produced by the E-Cat Unit
>>> during the Guaranteed Performance Test
>>>
>>>
>>> So the company where the test took place (JM Chemical Products) was
>>> located on or before August 2014.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Frank Acland
> Publisher, E-Cat World 
>
>



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Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

[Patrick Ellul]

That filing is a whole novel.
"By all accounts, the amount of energy produced by the E-Cat Unit during
the Guaranteed Performance Test was substantially greater than fifty (50)
times the amount of energy consumed by the E-Cat Unit during the same
period."

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> Was the payment due to Rossi based on the COP and was the COP so large
> that this resultant huge payment could not be covered by IH?
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>> This info came from someone who is trying to get permission to post it.
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree it is distasteful. You don’t have to go to NC State to realize
>> that when you lie down with dogs, you will likely get fleas…
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jed Rothwell
>>
>> There is mention of a large payment which would have been due, if the
>> test was shown to be successful. This could take years to resolve and
>> having it in litigation let’s Rossi off the hook for a public disclosure.
>> As Brian Ahern predicted, it seems that there never is/was a “customer”… or
>> if there was one, it has not yet been revealed… but that detail could loom
>> large, when it gets down to basic honesty.
>>
>>
>>
>> You must be reading the documents to know these details. I guess you paid
>> to see them. Can you upload them? Is that legal? (I do not know anything
>> about court cases or legal documents of this nature.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Part of me does not even want to know the gory details.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>>
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

[Patrick Ellul]

Frank has posted one of the documents here:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/04/06/complaint-of-andrea-rossi-and-leonardo-corp-court-document-cop-substantially-greater-than-fifty-50-during-test/

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Lennart Thornros 
wrote:

> Jed,
> The info about COP I took from Rossi's pressrelease:
>  According to the independent third party report, over the 352 day test
> period, the E-Cat consistently generated energy at a rate in excess of six
> (6) times the amount of energy consumed by the plant, often generating
> energy exceeding fifty (50) times the amount of energy consumed during the
> same period. According to Andrea Rossi, Leonardo Corporation considers
> the results of the third party test to be "an overwhelming success" and
> that
> It is just mind boggling to me that you disqualify the measurements and
> the methods before you have any details.
> Just let things play out. It has been in pipeline for over 25 years, there
> is result from serious tests that confirm that it is possible. I agree
> there are several steps to go: engineering, theory etc.. See the positive
> and I think Rossi is correct saying; "the world is one step closer to the
> realization of a commercially available new, clean and efficient energy
> source."
>
>
> Best Regards ,
> Lennart Thornros
>
>
> lenn...@thornros.com
> +1 916 436 1899
>
> Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
> enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
>
>> Lennart Thornros  wrote:
>>
>> I disagree Jed.
>>> I think you have received a message as good as you could expect. COP is
>>> 6.
>>>
>>
>> You mean in the 2012 Penon report. Right? Where does it say the COP is 6?
>> It says output was 2.5 ~ 3.7 kW, and input was 3.6 kW.
>>
>> I do not think much of the methodology. I recommend calibrations and the
>> use of thermocouple to augment the IR camera.
>>
>> I admit I have not looked as closely as I did to the Levi reports, but I
>> am not impressed. I have no idea how Penon measured the output from the 1
>> MW reactor, but he does not seem good at calorimetry.
>>
>>
>>
>>> The quality of the person doing the report and his qualifications you
>>> can judge when you have all information. Way too early to put up new
>>> obstacles.
>>>
>>
>> If you are talking about the 2012 report we have had plenty of time and
>> information. I am not sure what you refer to.
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

[Patrick Ellul]

Here is the link to the papers:
https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/11135976/Rossi_et_al_v_Darden_et_al

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:11 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Lennart Thornros  wrote:
>
> I disagree Jed.
>> I think you have received a message as good as you could expect. COP is 6.
>>
>
> You mean in the 2012 Penon report. Right? Where does it say the COP is 6?
> It says output was 2.5 ~ 3.7 kW, and input was 3.6 kW.
>
> I do not think much of the methodology. I recommend calibrations and the
> use of thermocouple to augment the IR camera.
>
> I admit I have not looked as closely as I did to the Levi reports, but I
> am not impressed. I have no idea how Penon measured the output from the 1
> MW reactor, but he does not seem good at calorimetry.
>
>
>
>> The quality of the person doing the report and his qualifications you can
>> judge when you have all information. Way too early to put up new obstacles.
>>
>
> If you are talking about the 2012 report we have had plenty of time and
> information. I am not sure what you refer to.
>
> - Jed
>
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Rossi and IH have received the ERV ReportAs Rossi has stated several times, no report willconvince the true ckeptics, only the sale of working E-Cats.

[Patrick Ellul]

Hi Peter,
Their email address, as given by Rossi himself: jvau...@industrialheat.co
Best regards

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 4:52 PM, Peter Gluck  wrote:

> dear Adrian,
> 'has IH answered? Can you send me their e-mail address? I will also try.
>
> peter
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 10:02 PM, a.ashfield 
> wrote:
>
>> M apologies for the mangled title.
>> I started typing on the subject line in error & deleted it, but somehow
>> it reappeared.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Peter Gluck
> Cluj, Romania
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>



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Re: [Vo]:ECat boxes for sale with Specs - from Roger Green

[Patrick Ellul]

There toy have it:

Andrea Rossi

March 26, 2016 at 8:42 AM

Patrick Ellul:
Australia is a Territory controlled directly by Leonardo Corporation. We
bought back the commercial licence from the former Licensee.
The contact for Australia is:
i...@leonardocorp1996.com
Warm Regards,
A.R.
On 26 Mar 2016 12:16 pm, "Jed Rothwell" <jedrothw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Daniel Rocha <danieldi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Jed, I don't see any sense in what you write. Alright, it has a US
>> address. So what?
>>
>
> I am saying I do not know where this company is located. There is no
> indication on the web site. No phone number or address at all. A Whois
> inquiry for ecat.tech finds nothing -- which is strange!
>
> The only address or contact anywhere is for Mr. Green, including his U.S.
> address. If he and ecat.tech are in the U.S., this would be under U.S.
> jurisdiction.
>
>
>
>> BTW,  right now, I don't take Rossi or any of these guys saying they are
>> ready to release seriously. I think, deep down, I never had taken. It feels
>> like reading an online RPG being played.
>>
>
> I don't take him seriously either. He has said too many unbelievable
> things about the test over the last year, such as, "I cannot tell whether
> it passed or failed." That's absurd, as I said several times last year.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Progress in humanoid robots

[Patrick Ellul]

One more that links to some other research:
Automation won’t destroy jobs, but it will change them:
https://blog.csiro.au/automation-wont-destroy-jobs-but-it-will-change-them-2/


On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> Another story on the subject
>
> http://techxplore.com/news/2016-02-next-gen-atlas-door-woods.html
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
>
>> There is a remarkable video in this article, showing the latest humanoid
>> robot from Boston Dynamics. Clearly this machine is not humanoid in the
>> emotional sense, because if it were, it might punch the operator in the
>> nose. I felt sorry for the poor thing, which is like feeling sorry for a
>> dishwasher.
>>
>>
>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2016/02/26/atlas_the_new_robot_from_boston_dynamics_sets_a_new_standard_for_robot_capabilities.html
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Progress in humanoid robots

[Patrick Ellul]

Nearly half of Australia's workforce at risk of computerisation and
automation, CSIRO report finds

   - In the next 20 years, 44 per cent of Australian jobs are at risk of
   computerisation and automation
   - All industries will be affected by automation
   - More people will work in shared "co-working" spaces
   - There will be even more casualisation of the workforce
   - Careers in the service industry will grow with the ageing population
   - Generation Z will need to be creative and entrepreneurial
   -
   
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-26/robots-will-take-over-44pc-of-workforce:-csiro/7203782


On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 7:34 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> There is a remarkable video in this article, showing the latest humanoid
> robot from Boston Dynamics. Clearly this machine is not humanoid in the
> emotional sense, because if it were, it might punch the operator in the
> nose. I felt sorry for the poor thing, which is like feeling sorry for a
> dishwasher.
>
>
> http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2016/02/26/atlas_the_new_robot_from_boston_dynamics_sets_a_new_standard_for_robot_capabilities.html
>
> - Jed
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Intelligent robots threaten millions of jobs

[Patrick Ellul]

Thank you very much.
This is a great collection.

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Patrick Ellul <ellulpatr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> You seem to be passionate about this topic.
>> I am too.
>> Do you know of a collection of links to essays and studies regarding it?
>>
>
> I am a big fan of the Martin Ford, who is a Leading Expert on this
> subject. See:
>
> http://www.thelightsinthetunnel.com/
>
> He has published two books on the subject. I recommend the first one,
> which you can download for free at his website.
>
> Other resources:
>
> "The Conservative Case for a Guaranteed Basic Income"
>
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/08/why-arent-reformicons-pushing-a-guaranteed-basic-income/375600/
>
> "A Universal Basic Income Is The Bipartisan Solution To Poverty We've Been
> Waiting For"
>
>
> http://www.fastcoexist.com/3040832/world-changing-ideas/a-universal-basic-income-is-the-bipartisan-solution-to-poverty-weve-bee
>
>
> http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-pitchforks-are-coming-for-us-plutocrats-108014#ixzz3hr7nlghY
>
> An excellent short video:
>
> "Humans Need not Apply"
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Intelligent robots threaten millions of jobs

[Patrick Ellul]

Jed,
You seem to be passionate about this topic.
I am too.
Do you know of a collection of links to essays and studies regarding it?
Regards.

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Jed Rothwell 
wrote:

> I am glad to see people paying attention to this issue. I hope it is not
> politicized. Many people feel that that work is a moral issue; that
> able-bodied people who do not work should not be given sustenance. This was
> a reasonable view in the past, but now that robots are making rapid
> progress it is gradually becoming unreasonable. We need to adjust morality
> to fit the technology of our time. What is moral in one era may not be in
> the next.
>
> - Jed
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:didcha guys hear about this The Breakthrough Energy Coalition thing?

[Patrick Ellul]

I would think that they will have a fair and open process on how to get
seen in front of the board.

So there is hope that a LENR startup gets an audition with BEC and hence
get the ball rolling.


On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Esa Ruoho  wrote:

> Bob, the thing is, these guys could take a product to market pretty easily
> (alibaba, amazon) and provide the infrastructure + sales + marketing
> required to pull it off. it's not like these peeps are the ones who are
> going to sit around and re-invent fire or something. seems more like
> they'll fund the energy revolution.
>
> don't know what they are gonna fund though, etc.
> but hopefully we'll hear more soon.
>
> i don't really grok what Bill Gates has been doing re LENR, I mean, I
> heard something about him going to meet some LENR people worldwide, or
> something?
>
>
> On 1 December 2015 at 21:15, Bob Cook  wrote:
>
>> The list It’s a little ominous in my opinion.  If Darden of Cherokee were
>> listed I would feel better.  It would be nice to have a good definition of
>> “Breakthrough Energy” that included LENR.  If it is left out, it tells you
>> something about the direction of the coalition.
>>
>> Bob Cook
>>
>> *From:* Esa Ruoho 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 01, 2015 10:37 AM
>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>> *Subject:* [Vo]:didcha guys hear about this The Breakthrough Energy
>> Coalition thing?
>>
>> Seems like it's a who's who of movers and shakers in the IT / commerce
>> biz.
>>
>> http://www.breakthroughenergycoalition.com
>>
>> Ridiculous list of people!
>> Salesforce, Amazon, Virgin Group, Alibaba, SAP, SoftBank, Facebook,
>> Hewlett Packard.. Wow.
>>
>> if they're serious, then this is going to progress quite quickly, right?
>>
>> Surely this can't all be bad news for breakthrough energy systems?
>>
>> List:
>> Mukesh Ambani - Chairman and Managing Director, Reliance Industries
>> Limited
>> John Arnold - Co-chair, Laura and John Arnold Foundation
>> Marc Benioff - Founder, Chairman and CEO, Salesforce.com
>> Jeff Bezos - Founder and CEO, Amazon
>> HRH Prince Alwaleed bin Talal - Chairman of the Board of Trustees,
>> Alwaleed Philanthropies
>> Richard Branson - Founder, Virgin Group
>> Ray Dalio - Founder, Bridgewater Associates
>> Aliko Dangote - Founder and Chief Executive, Dangote Group
>> John Doerr - General Partner, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers
>> Bill Gates - Co-chair, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
>> Reid Hoffman - Founder, LinkedIn and Partner, Greylock
>> Chris Hohn - Founder, The Children's Investment Fund
>> Vinod Khosla - Founder, Khosla Ventures
>> Jack Ma - Executive Chairman, Alibaba Group
>> Patrice Motsepe - Founder and Executive Chairman, African Rainbow
>> Minerals (ARM)
>> Xavier Niel - Founder, Iliad Group
>> Hasso Plattner - Co-founder and Chairman, SAP
>> Julian Robertson - Founder and Chairman, Tiger Management
>> Neil Shen - Founding Managing Partner, Sequoia Capital China
>> Nat Simons and Laura Baxter-Simons - Co-founders, Prelude Ventures
>> Masayoshi Son - Founder, Chairman and CEO, SoftBank Group Corp.
>> George Soros - Chairman, Soros Fund Management LLC
>> Tom Steyer - Businessman, Philanthropist, and President, NextGen Climate
>> Ratan Tata - Chairman Emeritus, Tata Sons
>> Meg Whitman - CEO, Hewlett Packard Enterprise
>> Ms. Zhang Xin and Mr. Pan Shiyi - Co-founder and CEO, SOHO China /
>> Chairman, SOHO China
>> Mark Zuckerberg and Dr. Priscilla Chan - Founder, Chairman and CEO,
>> Facebook  / Pediatrician and CEO, The Primary School
>> University of California - Office of the Chief Investment Officer
>>
>>
>> ---
>> http://twitter.com/esaruoho
>> http://lackluster.bandcamp.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> ---
> http://twitter.com/esaruoho
> http://lackluster.bandcamp.com
>



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Re: [Vo]:Magnetic levitation experiments

[Patrick Ellul]

Reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VylZJrep1MM
regards.

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 7:26 AM, jjam...@gmail.com  wrote:

>
> I am conducting experiments on keeping pm magnets in air by interacton of
> a rotating magnet driven by small dc motor.
>
>
> Stability is basically provided by Mathieu eq. so there would be no 'new
> physics', I think. OTH, it provide new solutions to magnetic levitation by
> achieving stability on six degrees of freedom. I would like to have your
> suggestions on how this work woud be benefitable.
>
>
> Such a stable coupling between magnetic dipolar bodies excited me by
> possibity of similar interactions could exist in particle physics.
>
>
> Some of videos are at
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3KwdWTgl7fisd3h_tK1YLhFeuzkPATNt
>
>
> While the clear shapes of magnets cannot be seen in videos, mostly Nd
> 10x10 mm cylendrical, 10 mm cube and smaller magnets are floated. In some
> tests spin of floating magnet is locked to base magnet by 1/n ratio,
> providing  epicycloidal patten on floating magnet axis. These can be seen
> in some videos showing a laser beam reflected from magnet flat surface.
>
>
>
> Base magnets are typically oriented in rota ting housing almost radially.
> Motor speeds are in 6000-22000 RPM range.
>
>
> H Ucar
>



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[Vo]:Louis DeChiaro of US Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) on Replicating P+F

[Patrick Ellul]

If this news is legitimate, it is of significance.

http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/10/06/louis-dechario-of-us-naval-sea-systems-command-navsea-on-replicating-pons-and-fleischmann/

"Hopefully, we will be able to get all the details of this material
released for publication to the general public over the next few weeks"

Best Regards.
-- 
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Re: [Vo]:Louis DeChiaro of US Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) on Replicating P+F

[Patrick Ellul]

For the record, DeChiaro's recent presentation slides can be found at:
http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Attachment/386-IEEE-brief-DeChiaro-9-2015-pdf/


On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Patrick Ellul <ellulpatr...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> If this news is legitimate, it is of significance.
>
>
> http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/10/06/louis-dechario-of-us-naval-sea-systems-command-navsea-on-replicating-pons-and-fleischmann/
>
> "Hopefully, we will be able to get all the details of this material
> released for publication to the general public over the next few weeks"
>
> Best Regards.
> --
> Patrick
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Louis DeChiaro of US Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) on Replicating P+F

[Patrick Ellul]

I am sorry for the duplication.

In my weak defence, i did a search for "dechiaro" before my post and
nothing came up.

regards.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 10:47 AM, a.ashfield  wrote:

> Patrick,
> Please note this is the topic of the thread two below yours
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Fred Zoepfl

[Patrick Ellul]

I retract that. Looks like Fred is a real person.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Patrick Ellul <ellulpatr...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> By the way Fred Zoepfl is not a real person as far as I can tell. It's
> just an anonymous pseudonym.
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
> orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> I noticed all five reviews that are currently displayed are very
>> positive. Four reviewers gave your book five stars. Only one gave 4 stars.
>> That's not bad.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steven Vincent Johnson
>>
>> OrionWorks.com
>>
>> zazzle.com/orionworks
>>
>
>
>
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>
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>



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Re: [Vo]:Fred Zoepfl

[Patrick Ellul]

By the way Fred Zoepfl is not a real person as far as I can tell. It's just
an anonymous pseudonym.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:

> I noticed all five reviews that are currently displayed are very positive.
> Four reviewers gave your book five stars. Only one gave 4 stars. That's not
> bad.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven Vincent Johnson
>
> OrionWorks.com
>
> zazzle.com/orionworks
>



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[Vo]:Nickel for artificial photosynthesis

[Patrick Ellul]

  Artificial leaf could soon fuel the planet, Melbourne researchers say -
ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-17/27artificial-leaf27-an-untapped-fuel-source/6703364

Re: [Vo]:10,000 Farads Graphene Supercapacitor

[Patrick Ellul]

The corrected link again:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sunvault-energy-and-edison-power-company-create-massive-1-farad-graphene-supercapacitor-2015-05-06

On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com
wrote:

 At 10,000 Farads, a Graphene Supercapacitor / Battery is powerful enough
 to power up a Semi Truck while being the size of a paperback novel at this
 point

 Currently the cost to manufacture a lithium battery is about $500 (USD)
 per/ kWh. Tesla recently announced a Super Factory to be built in Nevada,
 with a promise to get the price of lithium batteries down to $150 USD per
 kWh by 2020, our current cost estimated for this type of graphene base
 supercapacitor is about $100 per kWh today and we feel confident we should
 be able to cut this pricing in half by the end of 2015

 From
 http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sunvault-energy-and-edison-power-company-create-massive-1-farad-graphene-supercapacitor-2015-05-060




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[Vo]:10,000 Farads Graphene Supercapacitor

[Patrick Ellul]

At 10,000 Farads, a Graphene Supercapacitor / Battery is powerful enough
to power up a Semi Truck while being the size of a paperback novel at this
point

Currently the cost to manufacture a lithium battery is about $500 (USD)
per/ kWh. Tesla recently announced a Super Factory to be built in Nevada,
with a promise to get the price of lithium batteries down to $150 USD per
kWh by 2020, our current cost estimated for this type of graphene base
supercapacitor is about $100 per kWh today and we feel confident we should
be able to cut this pricing in half by the end of 2015

From
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sunvault-energy-and-edison-power-company-create-massive-1-farad-graphene-supercapacitor-2015-05-060

Re: [Vo]:prototype for only $99,000

[Patrick Ellul]

Is it similar to:
http://www.gizmag.com/cannae-reactionless-drive-space-propulsion/33210/

On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 10:59 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 It looks like a violation of Newton's law unless some of the field
 escapes the enclosure carrying momentum in the opposite direction of the
 force.  I hope it can work, but have my doubts without some exhaust.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Mon, Mar 23, 2015 6:08 pm
 Subject: RE: [Vo]:prototype for only $99,000

   From Frank

 http://displacementfieldtechnologies.com/products

 Fascinating. They make it clear that the device is still a prototype. Hope
 they can pull it off. Thrust being 100-500 mN, I'm guessing that's the
 approximate weight (thrust) of a piece of paper as measured at the surface
 of Earth. Sounds similar to NASA's ion thrusters already in use on a couple
 of satellites. Very efficient.

 Why is it that Americans always round down the prices of their products
 with 9 nines, as if they think the dollar amount will look cheaper to the
 prospective buyer than if they used a bunch of zeros. I've heard many parts
 of Europe don't practice such silly accounting tricks.

 I'm curious. Does this technology violate Newton's Third Law?
 - For every action there must be an opposite reaction. -

 Regards,
 Steven Vincent Johnson
 svjart.orionworks.com
 zazzle.com/orionworks




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Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

[Patrick Ellul]

That is that then.
Thanks Mats.
Regards,
Patrick

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Lewan Mats mats.le...@nyteknik.se wrote:

  I also sent an email to JT Vaughn and asked if he would like to comment.

 He answered with a statement from IH:

Re: [Vo]:Who could it be???

[Patrick Ellul]

Re nichenergy.com
Registered to Alessandro Meiarini
Of http://patents.justia.com/inventor/alessandro-meiarini
​
Regards,
patrick

Re: [Vo]:Bill Gates (MS) LENR Cold Fusion- Italy meeting

[Patrick Ellul]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:34 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:

 I would imagine Rossi's work was never mentioned.

 Or am I incorrect about that?


It doesn't have to be mentioned. It's high up there when you google LENR.

Patrick

Re: [Vo]:OT: New Curcumin ( spice) US Patent- Anticancer

[Patrick Ellul]

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net wrote:

 FWIW:  Don't confuse Curcumin with Cumin . . .


 Those are the people who make Diesel engines, aren't they?

Jed, Are you thinking of Cummins?


 - Jed




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Re: [Vo]:Re: Color Temperature

[Patrick Ellul]

From rossi:

The coils of the reactor are made with a proptietary alloy, and the
inconel is only a doped component of it.

And

The nature and composition of the coils are of paramount importance in our
IP and for obvious reasons I will not give any more information

And

stupidity, Alumina becomes White heat only when it melts at 2070°C and
compare it to the glass is an elementary mistake

Taken from rossilivecat.com

[Vo]:Interesting Alumina

[Patrick Ellul]

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_oxide

As well, it is used as a *dosimeter for radiation* protection and therapy
applications for its *optically stimulated luminescence
properties.[citation needed]*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dosimeter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optically_stimulated_luminescence

Aluminium oxide is an electrical insulator used as a substrate (silicon on
sapphire) for integrated circuits but also as a tunnel barrier for the
fabrication of superconducting devices such as single electron transistors
and superconducting quantum interference (SQUID) devices.

Insulation for high-temperature furnaces is often manufactured from
aluminium oxide. Sometimes the insulation has varying percentages of silica
depending on the temperature rating of the material. The insulation can be
made in blanket, board, brick and loose fiber forms for various application
requirements.

Re: [Vo]:Color Temperature

[Patrick Ellul]

Hi Dave,
Jed refers to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incandescence
Regards.

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 1:38 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 Take a look at the article in wikipedia about color temperature.  Unless I
 am reading it incorrectly the color expected for a source at 1700K is quite
 orange.  This is in line with what is reported in the latest test.

 Could someone take a moment to explain to me why the device should not be
 orange?  I have seen where Jed thinks it should be white and I am at a loss.

 The article is located at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_temperature.

 Dave




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Re: [Vo]:Australian TV does cold fusion

[Patrick Ellul]

New Zealand is a different country from Australia.
Just saying.

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:


 http://www.3news.co.nz/world/scientist-claims-to-have-mastered-cold-fusion-2014101510

 Sadly, terribly terribly ignorant.




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Re: [Vo]:Lockheed- Fusion website-Gone????

[Patrick Ellul]

Still Listed here: http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases.html


On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote:

 Greetings vortex-L,

 Went here  after seeing it earlier..now gone.
 Temporary???

 http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases/2014/october/141015ae_lockheed-martin-pursuing-compact-nucelar-fusion.html


 Ad astra,
 Ron Kita, Chiralex




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Re: [Vo]:Lockheed- Fusion website-Gone????

[Patrick Ellul]

You have a typo in your link. nuCELar ...
cheers
patrick

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Still Listed here:
 http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases.html

 On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Greetings vortex-L,

 Went here  after seeing it earlier..now gone.
 Temporary???

 http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases/2014/october/141015ae_lockheed-martin-pursuing-compact-nucelar-fusion.html


 Ad astra,
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Re: [Vo]:Video of the test

[Patrick Ellul]

Also one could interpret Rossi's remarks as confidence that there is no
*leaked* video of the test around. He couldn't know for sure what was
happening during the test, whether someone took some video on their phone.
On 12/10/2014 4:57 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:


 Fig 3 clearly shows a camera in the top-left, with a (temporary?) cable
 strung from it, aimed directly at the ecat.


 The figure 3 caption says those are IR cameras. Background: reactor, the
 two thermal imagery cameras. They recorded with two IR cameras the whole
 time. An IR camera would catch someone monkeying with the cell just as well
 as a visible light camera would. It would be like hiring a bumble bee as a
 watch dog.

 B. . . .

 - Jed

Re: [Vo]:How do ya' like THAT COP?

[Patrick Ellul]

Hi Jed,
Side-track question... what constitutes a peer-review? And does this report
have one?
Regards,
Patrick

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 p. 7 of the report:

 Subsequent calculation proved that increasing the input by roughly 100
 watts had caused an increase of about 700 watts in power emitted.


 It might have worked even better. They did not push it:

 The speed with which the temperature had risen persuaded us to desist
 from any further attempt to increase the power input to the reactor. As we
 had no way of substituting the device in case of breakage or melting of
 internal parts, we decided to exercise caution and continue operating the
 reactor at ca. 900 W.


 I have long said that the COP does not matter at this stage in the
 research. It is no indication of what the future COP might be, after
 practical devices are engineered. When the input power is stable direct
 current, it does not interfere much in the calorimetry. Having said all
 that, I will say that a high COP is gratifying. It does make the
 calorimetry more believable when the input power waveform is complicated as
 in this case. So I'm happy to see a high COP.

 Also it does away with some of the proposed theoretical limits some people
 have worried about.

 Finally, it is nice to see the device putting out much more thermal power
 than the power supplies could produce, according to the manufacturers. The
 significance of that will be lost on the skeptics. It has been lost on Mary
 Yugo already, who is blathering about cheese over at Lewan's blog:


 http://matslew.wordpress.com/2014/10/08/new-scientific-report-on-the-e-cat-shows-excess-heat-and-nuclear-process/

 - Jed




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[Vo]:Rossi asks for patent reconsideration extension

[Patrick Ellul]

In waiting of the second independent third party report.

http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/R_123564999_3.pdf

via: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ECat.LENR/

Regards,
Patrick

[Vo]:Hydrogen From Water Using Nickel nanoparticle Catalyst

[Patrick Ellul]

A cheap hydrogen generator that relies on a nickel nanoparticle may be the
game-changer we have been waiting for.
https://beta.cosmosmagazine.com/physical-sciences/hydrogen-fuel-water-almost-within-our-grasp

Re: [Vo]:Bitcoin P2P Betting on E-Cat report

[Patrick Ellul]

Now, have you got some bitcoins to back your belief?


On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for posting this.  I signed up at betmoose.com and set up 3 more
 contracts to trade on.


 https://www.betmoose.com/bet/cyclone-po ... rt-out-257
 https://www.betmoose.com/bet/cyclone-power-will-go-bankrupt-before-ecat-report-out-257


 https://www.betmoose.com/bet/effect-of- ... n-cypw-259
 https://www.betmoose.com/bet/effect-of-3rd-independent-report-on-ecat-on-cypw-259

 https://www.betmoose.com/bet/will-andre ... r-ecat-260
 https://www.betmoose.com/bet/will-andrea-rossi-be-indicted-for-fraud-over-ecat-260




 On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi guys,

 I'm not too sure how it would work, but here it goes anyway.

 I don't think that there is anyone in this world who would bet that the
 reported COP will be  2, not even the skeptics, as they believe that the
 report will be wrong or faked.


 https://www.betmoose.com/bet/result-of-independent-test-of-rossi-ecat-2014-240

 Regards.
  Patrick





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Re: [Vo]:Bitcoin P2P Betting on E-Cat report

[Patrick Ellul]

According to that bet, the report will be the judge.

The report is the judge of that bet by the COP that it reports.


On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 2:52 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Who will judge the bet is won ?
 Nature, Science ?

 the problem is that in the case the report is positive based on the
 experimental results :
 - first the testers will weaken their language , like they already did, to
 avoid commiting, whatever is the result.
 - second the skeptics will just say no it is not true and they will win
 the bet... because Nature, Science, APS will confirm...


 you should rather bet on something opposable like :
 an announce by a big companies (how many billions sales?10bn?), who never
 communicate on LENR (list in th bet the companies to exclude), they are
 funding research in LENR...


 or a client who communicates. NB: is Cherokee not a client since they
 bought the technology ?



 2014-06-22 0:02 GMT+02:00 Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com:

 Hi guys,

 I'm not too sure how it would work, but here it goes anyway.

 I don't think that there is anyone in this world who would bet that the
 reported COP will be  2, not even the skeptics, as they believe that the
 report will be wrong or faked.


 https://www.betmoose.com/bet/result-of-independent-test-of-rossi-ecat-2014-240

 Regards.
  Patrick





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[Vo]:Bitcoin P2P Betting on E-Cat report

[Patrick Ellul]

Hi guys,

I'm not too sure how it would work, but here it goes anyway.

I don't think that there is anyone in this world who would bet that the
reported COP will be  2, not even the skeptics, as they believe that the
report will be wrong or faked.

https://www.betmoose.com/bet/result-of-independent-test-of-rossi-ecat-2014-240

Regards.
Patrick

Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

[Patrick Ellul]

You are so right Jed. (not that it means anything from me)

But remember the chain:

Rossi - Tom Darden (Cherokee/IH) - Bill McDonough (
Cherokee/McDonough Challenge)
-Larry Page, Richard Branson, Elon Musk, Jimmy Wales etc

see:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/HO64ew8KwyUfNz-RD63k69MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0

So there is hope.

Thanks to Frank Acland for re-digging that link.

Regards.

Patrick



On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm less confident on getting the timing right for a breakout development
 than you.  Even if we saw a spike of interest comparable to the one shown
 for the first Elforsk test, I very much doubt there will be more publicity
 following upon it than happened the last time.


 I agree. I doubt that ELFORSK wants people to know, other than the small
 circle of people who follow this field. I doubt they will keep the paper
 secret. They probably couldn't; it would leak. I expect them to publish at
 arXiv again.



 Even if the test results are stellar, I do not think they would cause a
 movement in the oil markets at this point.


 If stellar results could have any effect on public opinion or industry,
 the whole world would have believed in cold fusion after McKubre published.
 Experts such as Gerisher and later Duncan looked at the data and were
 instantly convinced. Fully replicated, high sigma, top quality experimental
 proof from hundreds of world class laboratories plus $18 will buy you a 30
 Hershey Bars at Amazon.com. That is all it is good for.



  If I had to guess, there would need to be three or four credible,
 completely independent reproductions that were given high degree of
 visibility in the mainstream media before cold fusion is even sufficiently
 funded.


 The mainstream media would never publish any report, no matter how
 convincing. Not from ELFORSK, EPRI or any other power company organization.
 The physics establishment will say that power companies know nothing about
 nuclear physics so they must be wrong. The mass media will only report on
 what the physics establishment blesses.

 Other than that, the mass media would only report:

 1. A famous mogul such as Bill Gates is funding cold fusion OR

 2. A commercial cold fusion device has actually gone sale.

 Anything less newsworthy will never see the light of day.

 That does not matter much. We do not not need the mass media. What we need
 is money, from someone like Gates, and we need experiments that work.

 - Jed




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Re: [Vo]:Oxygen to hydrogen?

[Patrick Ellul]

I must say, the acronym for the company name is SHT.


On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYliDUI8bY4#t=173



 See story at 
 http://pesn.com/2014/04/29/9602478_So...http://pesn.com/2014/04/29/9602478_Solar-Hydrogen-Trends_revolutionizing-all-energy/
 Interview: Solar Hydrogen Trends is revolutionizing all energy
 I calculate 577 x overunity based on their third-party test results of 697
 Watt input producing 2322 liters of gas/minute, equating to 402 kW output,
 from a device twice the size of a microwave oven, drawing from 16 different
 simultaneous phenomena creating what they call their Symphony, including
 turning O into H and controlling particles. They're ready to go into
 production manufacturing these.



 This might be a cavatation system what uses a shock wave. Or it could be a
 scam, time will tell.








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[Vo]:Solar Orbs that harvest the moonlight

[Patrick Ellul]

Up to 70 percent more efficient than a typical solar panel
http://gizmodo.com/these-beautiful-solar-orbs-are-so-efficient-they-even-h-1500329295

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Re: [Vo]:Biofuel from Algae in Minutes

[Patrick Ellul]

Just linking this company, which claim the same: http://solazyme.com/
The Fools have been billing it as a money maker:
http://stockgumshoe.com/reviews/motley-fool-hidden-gems/revealing-the-fools-silicon-valley-oil-superstar-1-company-pulling-profits-out-of-thin-air/


On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:46 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Actually, I was referring to the world as companies like Exxon which
 wasted a huge amount of money on algae 
 biofuelshttp://www.technologyreview.com/view/515041/exxon-takes-algae-fuel-back-to-the-drawing-board/.
  They could have had what they wanted, no genetic engineering or special
 strains, for under $10M.


 On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 7:53 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

 In reply to  James Bowery's message of Thu, 19 Dec 2013 12:55:54 -0600:
 Hi,
 [snip]
 The biomass production cost problem has been solved.  I don't know when
 the
 world will wake up.
 
 ...when they start producing fuel cheaper than the oil companies.

 Regards,

 Robin van Spaandonk

 http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html





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Re: [Vo]:New LENR patent application from STMicroelectronics

[Patrick Ellul]

I wonder if ST is now Rossi's Daddy.
He has worked with them before.
They have various USA offices:
http://www.st.com/stonline/contactus/contacts/index.php?type=5#USA
And now they have a lenr patent in their name.
I am also surprised how no one has stalked Rossi enough to see where he
goes to work every day.



On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 1:23 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:

 Forgot to include this link:

 http://www.google.com/patents/US20130243143

  Reactor for energy generation through low energy nuclear reactions (lenr)
  between hydrogen and transition metals and related method of energy
  generation  -  US 20130243143 A1
 
  ABSTRACT
  An embodiment of an apparatus includes a reaction chamber, a reaction
  unit, and an energy regulator. The reaction chamber includes an energy
  port, and the reaction unit is disposed in the reaction chamber and is
  configured to allow an energy-releasing reaction between first and second
  materials. And the energy regulator is configured to control a rate at
  which reaction-released energy exits the reaction chamber via the energy
  port. The reaction chamber may include a thermally conductive wall that
  forms a portion of the energy port, and the energy regulator may include
 a
  thermally conductive member and a mechanism configured to control a
  distance between the thermally conductive wall and the thermally
  conductive member. Furthermore, the reaction unit may include a mechanism
  configured to facilitate the reaction between the first and second
  materials, and may also include a mechanism configured to control a rate
  at which the reaction releases energy.
 
 
 
 





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[Vo]:The Essence Of Science In 61 Seconds (Richard Feynman)

[Patrick Ellul]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viaDa43WiLc#action=share

If it disagrees with experiment, it's wrong!

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Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

[Patrick Ellul]

I tried. And it seems like I will lose. http://longbets.org/618/


On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote:

 I won't bet against you, because I know that nothing will convince you you
 are wrong.
 Despite any evidence you will refuse to pay... because if you were
 rational you won't bet that way.
 Fat Tony of taleb books explain that if you see a coin that fall 99 times
 on heads, the next throw don't have 50% head... but much more, because the
 coin is tricked. If you dare to bet against Rossi so sure of yourself you
 won't accept reality.
 However if you were rational you could easily bet that he won't be able to
 deliver.

 maybe is it what you try to do asking for evidence (accepted by
 mainstream, which is impossible unless huge industrial development) until
 end of 2013.

 the only thing that will make people accept e-cat is industrial
 application at large scale, and it will happen in 1-5years at best.

 It will take many years to be visible, and the denial we observe will slow
 down the development even more that with usual innovation. Usually it take
 5 years and is deceiving compared to the initial ambition.
 since rossi started to have a working prototype in 2011/2012, you can
 expect a real delivery in 2016/2017... since it is a huge breakthrough, in
 a huge denial, the real delay is hard to guess... it can be earlier or
 later depending on who win, greed or conformism. I hope greed will help us.

 so you bet against (accepted) evidence, ie: asking for industrial
 diffusion, until end of 2013, is very smart. You will win. put the limit to
 2017, and it will be fair.

 If you don't try to rationally abuse of our innocence in industrial
 question, I won't bet against you like it was stupid to have an CDS against
 AIG, unless it was backed by the federal bank (hopefully for the fool who
 bought them, AIG was bailed in)... It is as stupid as having an insurance
 against alien attack.

 my only bet, is betting my reputation (now everybody know who I am, and
 what I do, except the boss of my boss, who will fire me if he know). If one
 company wan't me to invest, why not a little, but i know that like on
 Internet 99% of startups will die, and the 1% will rule the world.

 Just see what Aldo Proia did, he have skin in the game, and unlike some
 clown who are fan of Rossi, he stopped a promising career in solar energy.
 Same for Xanthoulis.

  Essen also put his reputation in the game.

 remind that the first plane motorized flied in 1901, and was accepted by
 SciAm in 1906.



 2013/6/29 blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com

 Is anyone willing here to bet me $$$ that the eCat will not be proven
 this year?

 I'm open to discussing the parameters of this bet.   Ideally we'd
 mutually agree on a 3rd party to hold our money and be an impartial judge
 as to who wins by EOY.

 Let me know.

 Cheers,

 Blaze.





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[Vo]:Widom - Neutron Production from fractured piezoelectric rocks

[Patrick Ellul]

Just bringing to your attention the following, as I'm not sure it has been
picked up yet.

Mostly reported in italian:

Announcement and abstract:
http://22passi.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/27-maggio-widom-e-srivastava-al-polito.html

Summary of the actual meeting:
http://22passi.blogspot.it/2013/05/neutron-production-from-fractured.html

Link to Widom Slides in English:
http://www.22passi.it/wsctorino/WIDOM%20TORINO.pdf

Regards,
Patrick

[Vo]:Brian Josephson's E-Cat Video Abstract updated

[Patrick Ellul]

http://sms.cam.ac.uk/media/1150242

Added a note about May 2013's very favourable report.

Also noticed: NB: the Wikipedia entry for 'Rossi reactor', cited in the
video as a source of information regarding the reactor, cannot at this time
(January 2012) be recommended as a reliable source, since the page
concerned has been taken over by an editor group hostile to the reactor,
resulting in a highly biased account of the history. 

Funnily enough I was reminded of this video by the External Links section
of the wikipedia page itself.

Regards.


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RE: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

[Patrick Ellul]

Just adding a link to the register article.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/22/e_cat_test_claims_success_yet_again/
On 22/05/2013 5:55 PM, Arnaud Kodeck arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be wrote:

 I'm wondering if Levi and al checked the quality of the electrical power!
 On
 the topic regarding electrical measurements the report says that the
 measurements were done with a PCE-830. The PCE-830 monitored the 3 phases
 only and computed the energy consumption with data collected on the 3
 phases. The PCE-830 can be fooled if the setup isn't as expected. For
 example, the ground might be not the ground but a hidden phase. That's why
 they should have checked:
 - The quality of the ground
 - The quality of the 3 phases regarding the neutral or between
 phases
 - The quality of the neutral (if present and used)
 - The quality of the 50 Hz of the power line

 That check will remove every concern about electrical input. Maybe they did
 the check but there is no mention about that in the report of Levi and al.

 To whom may I address this concern at the Levi's team and how ?

 Arnaud
  -Original Message-
  From: Alan Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com]
  Sent: mercredi 22 mai 2013 09:00
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
 
So in a sense the elimination of fakes is cumulative.
 
  Bear in  mind that when Rossi says he has something he tends to follow up
  on it.
  (Maybe not exactly as promised, but close to it).
 
  Let's accept for the moment the OUTPUT analysis : it DOES produce the
  documented COP.
 
  Electrical INPUT is a two-edged sword. It can be measured to 6 decimal
  places .. IF you do it correctly,
  but if you don't cover ALL bases you might miss something.
  (eg an AC-only meter might not notice DC, or HF AC beyond its spec).
 
  But Rossi says he has a GAS-POWERED eCat. I believe him: ANY source of
  temperature stimulus will do.
 
  It's rather hard to modulate/cheat a GAS meter, though the actual INPUT
  power delivered might only be known to ONE decimal place.

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

[Patrick Ellul]

This is Krivit's reaction on the Forbes article:

Steven B. Krivit  http://blogs.forbes.com/people/stevenbkrivit/9 hours ago

This is a partially independent measurement, performed on a device that was
built by and controlled by Rossi, and located in Rossi’s facility. The
measurement was performed by some of the parties that have been involved in
this scam since 2011.

The fact that the authors of the paper have stated that they have performed
an independent test is a significant misrepresentation and would qualify as
research misconduct by some organizations.

Steven B. Krivit
Publisher and Senior Editor, New Energy Times
Editor-in-Chief, 2011 Wiley Nuclear Energy Encyclopedia


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Comment on my blog to this most recent paper.
 My answers to Mary
 I wrote to Steve Krivit signalling this Report, no answer.
 I sincerely fear this very talented journalist is depresed
 obsessed, who knows...
 Peter


 On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:38 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
 orionwo...@charter.net wrote:

 From Peter:

  ... (only Mary Yugo has surfaced till now, ...

 Where? A link? What did she say?

 Someone should start a thread pointing to what the Rossi skeptics, like
 Cude, Yugo, or S. Krivit have decided to say about these latest
 developments. I haven't been able to find anything. so far.

 Related to this, browsing New Energy Time shows me nothing new. Krivit's
 site has two No Cold Fusion graphic logos plastered on the front page
 related to two topics: University LENR Expert No Longer Believes in Cold
 Fusion, and for Retired NRL LENR Expert No Longer Believes in Cold
 Fusion. It still baffles me why Krivit felt the need to go after the term
 CF as if it was a pinata and his words are the stick.

 Regards,
 Steven Vincent Johnson
 svjart.OrionWorks.com
 www.zazzle.com/orionworks
 tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/




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Re: [Vo]:3rd Party Report Released

[Patrick Ellul]

Snide yes. Of value? Not really.
On 20/05/2013 5:42 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Giovanni, I am making a snide reference to Dr. Nathan Lewis's snide
 reference to the athletic prowess of the Universities that had reproduced
 the FP effect -- indicating that, obviously, if you have a good football
 team you must be technically inept:

 See the youtube video capturing this marvel of institutional incompetence
 in 
 actionhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoTX-ORq9_Yfeature=player_detailpage#t=746s
 .


 On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Giovanni Santostasi 
 gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:

 No football teams in Bologna University. In Italy Universities are
 focused on academics not sports.
 Giovanni



 On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:10 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bologna University, Uppsala University and Royal Institute of
 Technology, Stockholm must all have good football teams.


 On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Brad Lowe ecatbuil...@gmail.comwrote:

 Available here:
 http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913

 Press release

 http://ecat.com/news/3rd-party-report-shows-anomalous-heat-production-the-rossi-effect
 and direct report download:


 http://ecat.com/files/Indication-of-anomalous-heat-energy-production-in-a-reactor-device.pdf


 29 page report... skimming it, I see a COP: 5.6 +/- 0.8

 Congrats to Rossi.

 - Brad

Re: [Vo]:3rd Party Report Released

[Patrick Ellul]

I get it. Thanks James.


On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 5:56 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 On the contrary, Dr. Lewis's snide comment will go down in history as an
 incredibly valuable teachable moment and it is quite appropriate to
 remember it in the context of this announcement.


 On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 2:44 AM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.comwrote:

 Snide yes. Of value? Not really.
 On 20/05/2013 5:42 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Giovanni, I am making a snide reference to Dr. Nathan Lewis's snide
 reference to the athletic prowess of the Universities that had reproduced
 the FP effect -- indicating that, obviously, if you have a good football
 team you must be technically inept:

 See the youtube video capturing this marvel of institutional
 incompetence in 
 actionhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoTX-ORq9_Yfeature=player_detailpage#t=746s
 .


 On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Giovanni Santostasi 
 gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:

 No football teams in Bologna University. In Italy Universities are
 focused on academics not sports.
 Giovanni



 On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:10 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.comwrote:

 Bologna University, Uppsala University and Royal Institute of
 Technology, Stockholm must all have good football teams.


 On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Brad Lowe ecatbuil...@gmail.comwrote:

 Available here:
 http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913

 Press release

 http://ecat.com/news/3rd-party-report-shows-anomalous-heat-production-the-rossi-effect
 and direct report download:


 http://ecat.com/files/Indication-of-anomalous-heat-energy-production-in-a-reactor-device.pdf


 29 page report... skimming it, I see a COP: 5.6 +/- 0.8

 Congrats to Rossi.

 - Brad









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[Vo]:Wikipedia Energy Catalyzer Page

[Patrick Ellul]

Hi collective,

I know most of you have given up on wikipedia.

There is a lot of activity happening on the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer

As I type, there are two references to the new developments.

First is the Mark Gibbs update. This will have to stick, unless they remove
the original Mark Gibbs reference all together.

Second is a new section with a simple reference to the report. This one
might not stand.

Regards,

Patrick

Re: [Vo]:3rd Party Report Released

[Patrick Ellul]

Re: Seven authors altogether (I think I remember hearing a larger number at
some point).

The number of involved scientists mentioned were high, somewhere around 15.
In the paper, there are various other people mentioned in the
acknowledgements section. These could be counted as involved scientists but
not authors.


On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Computed volumetric and gravimetric energy densities were found to be far
 above those of any known chemical source. Even by the most conservative
 assumptions as to the errors in the measurements, the result is still one
 order of magnitude greater than conventional energy sources.


 This is an unequivocal statement about the energy balance of the Hot Cat.

 The authors:

- Giuseppe Levi, Bologna University
- Evelyn Foschi
- Torbjörn Hartman, Bo Höistad, Roland Pettersson and Lars
Tegnér, Uppsala University
- Hanno Essén, Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm

 Seven authors altogether (I think I remember hearing a larger number at
 some point).

 Eric




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Re: [Vo]:mystery list of Daniele Passerini

[Patrick Ellul]

To fit 15 persons, it would have to be a minibus.


On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:

 This morning, quite early, Daniele Passerini publishes a mystery list of
 15 persons: http://22passi.blogspot.ro/2013/05/la-risposta-fa-36213.html

 Many of them are well known in our circles.
 He says these persons were driving a car for the coming (June 2) symposium
 of New Energy for a New World.
 Seem interesting.
 Peter

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Re: [Vo]:mystery list of Daniele Passerini

[Patrick Ellul]

translation: it will lead you to 10 hours and 54 minutes by car to the new
energies for a new world


On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:

 see: vi condurrà a 10 ore e 54 minuti d'auto dalle Nuove energie per un
 mondo 
 nuovohttp://22passi.blogspot.it/2013/05/nuove-energie-per-un-mondo-nuovo.html
 Italian grammar is difficult, they *will lead* the auto for that time


 On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.comwrote:

 To fit 15 persons, it would have to be a minibus.


 On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.comwrote:

 This morning, quite early, Daniele Passerini publishes a mystery list of
 15 persons: http://22passi.blogspot.ro/2013/05/la-risposta-fa-36213.html


 Many of them are well known in our circles.
 He says these persons were driving a car for the coming (June 2)
 symposium of New Energy for a New World.
 Seem interesting.
 Peter

 --
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 Cluj, Romania
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Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says ecat mouse COP is 100-200

[Patrick Ellul]

You are right Alan. He should really call the 1kW the kitten, to avoid
confusion.

About the i-dont-want-to-say-infinite-so-i-say-200-to-300 issues... he
explains that if the activator pays-for-itself, then the actual ecat is
giving free energy.


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:

 At 06:36 PM 5/13/2013, Patrick Ellul wrote:

 I thought he might have done a typo, and mean 10 kWh/h so I emailed him
 to ask.
 He confirmed that it was a typo, and he meant 10kWh/h for the ecat, just
 like it has always been.


 Except that he said :


  Combining these modules we can make E-Cats of 1 kW , 10 kW, 100 kW, 1 MW
 , respectively, of power.

 strongly implying that the base module is indeed 1 kW and not 10 kW




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Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says ecat mouse COP is 100-200

[Patrick Ellul]

The activator consumes 900W of electricity and produces 910W of usable
heat. This heat is used by the client. It is not consumed by the ecat.

The ecat consumes zero heat and produces 1kW (or 10kW if it was a typo) of
usable heat.

Either way of typo or not, the ecat as a stand-alone system within this
configuration could be seen as producing heat without consuming any energy.

This is the way Rossi is explaining it.




On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:22 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

 In reply to  Patrick Ellul's message of Wed, 15 May 2013 07:41:21 +1000:
 Hi,
 [snip]
 You are right Alan. He should really call the 1kW the kitten, to avoid
 confusion.
 
 About the i-dont-want-to-say-infinite-so-i-say-200-to-300 issues... he
 explains that if the activator pays-for-itself, then the actual ecat is
 giving free energy.

 I wonder if the Activator produces 910 W in excess of the 900 W consumed,
 or
 only 10 W in excess?

 Regards,

 Robin van Spaandonk

 http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html




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Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says ecat mouse COP is 100-200

[Patrick Ellul]

If you split the time between activator and ecat as he suggests you get
slightly different numbers:

0.91 * 35% of the time = 0.3185 kWh/h
1 * 65% of the time = 0.65 kWh/h

total output = 0.9685 kWh/h
input = 0.9 * 35% of the time = 0.315 kWh/h

COP = 3.07

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 4:48 AM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:

 I can't figure out how Rossi claims a COP of 100-200

 May 12th, 2013 at 9:59 PM
 http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=802cpage=9#comment-694786

 Dear Dr Joseph Fine:
 Please don’t go too far: just, for now, let’s limit to what I wrote about
 the Activator/E-Cat cycle. Please read carefully what I wrote. More than
 that is not possible to get, so far. Our basic module is made by an
 apparatus in which we have 2 components: an activator, which consumes abour
 900 Wh/h and produces about 910 Wh/h of heat. This heat activates the E-Cat
 and then goes to the utilization by the Customer, so that its cost is paid
 back by itself. This activator stays in function for the 35% of the
 operational time of the syspem of the apparatus. The E-Cat, activated by
 the heat of the Activator, works for about the 65% of the operational time,
 producing about 1 kWh/h without consuming any Wh/h from the grid. Combining
 these modules we can make E-Cats of 1 kW , 10 kW, 100 kW, 1 MW ,
 respectively, of power.
 Warm Regards,
 A.R.

 - - -

kWh/h
 mouse output0.91
 ecat output 1.00

 total output1.91
 total input 0.90

 Total COP = total output/input  2.12






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Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says ecat mouse COP is 100-200

[Patrick Ellul]

I thought he might have done a typo, and mean 10 kWh/h so I emailed him to
ask.

He confirmed that it was a typo, and he meant 10kWh/h for the ecat, just
like it has always been.

If that is the case:

0.91 * 35% of the time = 0.3185 kWh/h
*10* * 65% of the time = 6.5 kWh/h

total output = 6.8185 kWh/h
input = 0.9 * 35% of the time = 0.315 kWh/h

COP = 21.65


On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:

  If you split the time between activator and ecat as he suggests you
  get slightly different numbers:
 
  0.91 * 35% of the time = 0.3185 kWh/h
  1 * 65% of the time = 0.65 kWh/h
 
 
  total output = 0.9685 kWh/h
  input = 0.9 * 35% of the time = 0.315 kWh/h
 
 
  COP = 3.07

 That's how I did it at first ... then I reread his statement and thought
 he was talking about the total.

 Either way, MUCH less than 100-200 -- and less than his usual guaranteed
 COP of 6.

 (And I have no idea of the implication of Terry's The magic ratio that FE
 people have sought! )




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Re: [Vo]:pictures of 1mw E-cat plant shipping

[Patrick Ellul]

Direct link to high definition of the panorama photo:
http://postimg.org/image/6v14pk649/full/


On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 If exif is true the picture was shot by an iPhone4.  Supposedly
 Passerini's phone

 http://www.findexif.com/?l=1r9hJxo




 2013/5/4 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com

 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:


 Source: http://22passi.blogspot.it/**2013/05/fino-al-limite-di-**
 rottura.htmlhttp://22passi.blogspot.it/2013/05/fino-al-limite-di-rottura.html

 It's a 6 months old photo (previously unreleased) of a Hot-Cat being
 pushed to its operating limits.
 It does look hot.


 That's the small incandescent gadget in the foreground. Right? Much
 smaller than a 1 MW reactor, shown behind it.

 Maybe I have not been paying attention but I thought Rossi claims he is
 still at the stage of making small hot cats.

 - Jed





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[Vo]:Desalination at 99% less energy cost?

[Patrick Ellul]

Hello Vortexlers,

Not sure if this was shared already.

From:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/13/usa-desalination-idUSL1N0C0DG520130313


Filter could sharply cut energy needed to remove salt from water

Officials say firm has patented process, looking for partners

Cheaper seawater purification could help ease water security fears
Best regards.


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[Vo]:New electric car to compete with Tesla?

[Patrick Ellul]

This is from a fellow countryman in Malta.

*It is promising that its Chreos will be able to travel 1,000km after just
10 minutes’ charge, “cruising” at a speed of 125km/ h.*

*By comparison, the Tesla Model S, the market leader, takes more than an
hour to charge and does not reach 500km.*

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20130306/local/maltese-electric-car-developer-promises-to-beat-market-leader.460324

Too ambitious?

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Re: [Vo]:New electric car to compete with Tesla?

[Patrick Ellul]

What if the price of the car includes a mini super power station that
works all day and is ready to supercharge the car very quickly?


On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.comg wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:48 PM,  mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

  Hypercharge technology means they recharge in 10 minutes at 10-15
 thousand
  volts.

 Regardless, it takes 1.2 MW per charge station.  Bollocks!




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Re: [Vo]:New electric car to compete with Tesla?

[Patrick Ellul]

The Engineering Department at the University of Malta is decently equipped.

It has produced plenty of innovative engineers and inventions.

As for the company itself, it's actually an italian company.
http://www.opercom.com/power/Italiano/contact.html

regards
patrick

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

 -Original Message-
 From: Terry Blanton

 On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:48 PM,  mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

  Hypercharge technology means they recharge in 10 minutes at 10-15
 thousand
  volts.

 Regardless, it takes 1.2 MW per charge station.  Bollocks!


 That's a fair percentage of all the power on Malta :)

 This so-called car company could be little more than a few slacker
 undergrads with a CAD program. There is a University on the Island ... but
 it's doubtful they offer EE.

 As for the design - it could be an updated Edsel from the front view ...
 Elon is not concerned.






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Re: [Vo]:NASA: We think we found something . . .

[Patrick Ellul]

It's either traces of methane, or possibly some organic compounds. I doubt
it's dinosaur fossils.

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'll bet they told Mr. Obama. No fair! I wanna know!

 - Jed




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[Vo]:Uranium vs Thorium Nuclear Energy Generation

[Patrick Ellul]

Hello collective,

Is Thorium really safer? And is it reallya a feasible solution?

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628905.600-indias-thoriumbased-nuclear-dream-inches-closer.html?cmpid=RSS|NSNS|2012-GLOBAL|online-news

Regards,
Patrick

Re: [Vo]:Uranium vs Thorium Nuclear Energy Generation

[Patrick Ellul]

Thanks again Jeff. Will have a look at those references.

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thorium itself cannot be used directly. Natural thorium is mostly composed
 of a single isotope, Th-232, that is only fertile, not fissile. Use of
 thorium in a power reactor or weapon requires that the natural Th-232 be
 transmuted within an already-operating reactor to U-233, which is fissile.
 This breeding of U-233 is analogous to the way plutonium is bred in a
 reactor from natural uranium.

 The difference is that in addition to the merely-fertile U-238, natural
 uranium contains a nontrivial amount of fissile U-235 which can be
 extracted (at significant expense) and used directly to make weapons. With
 thorium, the only path to weapons-grade material requires an operating
 reactor to produce fertile U-233 by transmutation. This requirement for an
 operating reactor makes the process much easier for the international
 community to monitor, among other things.

 U-233 is known to be suitable for weapons use - there is one document
 example of the U.S. building and successfully detonating a weapon with a
 U-233 pit (bomb core). So it's false to say that the thorium fuel cycle
 is completely weapons material clean. But I think it's true to say that
 the risk of weapons proliferation is lower compared to starting with U.

 I found this document which has everything you could ever want to know
 about this - although wikipedia seems good enough to answer almost any lay
 person question in this case.
 http://www-pub.iaea.org/mtcd/publications/pdf/te_1450_web.pdf

 Jeff


 On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks Jeff. Can enriched Thorium also be used for nuclear weapons?


 On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've looked at this a little. It's been under study for over 30 years,
 so the pros and cons are pretty well understood. The wikipedia page
 (thorium fuel cycle) covers them. It's definitely feasible, probably an
 economic win for countries with a lot of thorium (e.g. India), and arguably
 a little safer. But for me, bottom line is that it doesn't change the
 fundamentals. There are still waste handling issues and reactor design
 issues and nuclear economy/proliferation issues. So moving from U to Th is
 a difference (in the technology sphere) that doesn't really make a
 difference (in the public policy sphere).

 Jeff


 On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Patrick Ellul 
 ellulpatr...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hello collective,

 Is Thorium really safer? And is it reallya a feasible solution?


 http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628905.600-indias-thoriumbased-nuclear-dream-inches-closer.html?cmpid=RSS|NSNS|2012-GLOBAL|online-news

 Regards,
 Patrick





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Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?

[Patrick Ellul]

If I studied close enough the inside of a computer that has MS Windows
installed on it, without ever switching it on, I can still see and
understand the expected behaviour. The software program is persisted as
ones and zeros on a memory device.

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Any psychological/psychiatric/**philosophical attempt to understand the
 soul is doom to failure from the onset.

 Let says you're a hardware/ASIC/Electronics/IC engineer who designed the
 Pentuim chip.  Without understanding of the software, can you discern the
 operation of a PC from your understanding of the
 hardware/Chips/IC/CPU/GPU/etc?  At best, you understanding would be
 severely incomplete and faulty.  Software is the intangible thing that
 controls the behavior of the computer.  Software controls the hardware.

 On the same token, experts in Psychology/Psychiatry/**
 Philosophy/Sociology/Humanism/**etc, can never hope to completely
 understand the Human Soul.  It is that intangible entity - the soul, that
 controls the hardware consisting of your brain cells/neurons, etc.  The
 Software soul is what needs to be understood for us to understand the
 behavior of man.  You need to study the soul, not the brain.  The brain is
 simply a mechanism that the soul controls much like the CPU chip is the
 mechanism that MS Windows controls.  The analogy is apt and accurate.

 Hence, one is wasting their time trying to study all the ideas of these
 philosophers/psychologists/**psychiatrists/etc.  They are at best
 severely incomplete, at worst gravely misleading.

 If you want to understand the spiritual soul, go to the one who wrote the
 software soul.  Study his book - the Bible to have a better understanding
 of human behavior.


 Jojo








 - Original Message - From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?



  I think Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff have the best explanation of
 consciousness to date.  It's called Orchestrated Objective Reduction,
 or Orch-OR.  The two actually developed the idea separately, Sir
 Penrose being a physicist and Hameroff being a physician who
 specialized in anesthesia and cancer research.  Roger was seeking a
 model of the brain that did not require computation.  Hameroff wanted
 to know how anesthesia worked and where the conscious went when under.
 Penrose theorizes that spacetime is granular at the size of the
 Planck length and that quantum superposition is linked to the
 curvature.  Orchestrated Reduction is the collapse of the
 superposition.

 Hameroff brought in the neuron microtubles which provide the
 structure.  He sees a synchronous oscillation in neural MT can
 influence other neurons.  Together they see these electrons as a sea
 embedded in the geometry of spacetime.

 Needless to say, they have many critics.  :-)






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[Vo]:Rossi's EU Patent Application Update

[Patrick Ellul]

1) was filed in 2008.
2) most recent updates just a couple of weeks ago.
3) direct link to all the documentation:
https://register.epo.org/espacenet/application?number=EP08873805lng=entab=doclist
4) via:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/10/leonardo-patent-report-publication-scheduled-for-nov-21/


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[Vo]:Rossi's first 1MW hot-cat to client by Feb 2013

[Patrick Ellul]

Andrea Rossi
October 30th, 2012 at 8:35
PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=748cpage=6#comment-381116

Dear Emilio Icaza:
Yes, Leonardo Corp is very much powerful now. I can already say that the
first 1 MW hot cat will go in operation within February 2013. It will not
be a military application, therefore selected persons will be allowed to
visit it. It will be installed in a big power production and distribution
plant.
This is the new. The plant is made in the USA.
An extremely important agreement has been signed after the tests of the Hot
Cat, which are going on since June in the USA and in Italy.
The details will be communicated only after the plant will have been
working for enough time to be visitable, also to avoid clubs in the wheels.
That’s all I can say right now.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

source:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=748cpage=6#comment-381116
via: http://rossilivecat.com/

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[Vo]:The Quantum Soul?

[Patrick Ellul]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/28/soul-after-death-hameroff-penrose_n_2034711.html

How far fetched is this?

According to Dr. Hameroff, in a near-death experience, when the heart
stops beating, the blood stops flowing, and the microtubules lose their
quantum state, the quantum information in the microtubules isn't destroyed.
It's distributed to the universe at large, and if the patient is revived,
the quantum information can go back to the microtubules.


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[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Remarks by Leonardo Corporation’s Gianvico Pirazzini

[Patrick Ellul]

when asked:

Question_1) Approximately how many engineers and technical managers do you
have in your company and in partner companies which are supporting work on
new cat designs or completing production units?

Rossi replied:

1- At the moment 27, considering the suppliyer’s engineers

It must be one elaborate con.



On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 7:06 AM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:

 Comments by an insider (Translation of a transcript of a presentation at
 Pordenone?)
 http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/10/3736/2/

 (nothing earth-shattering, but an insight into working with Rossi.)




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Re: [Vo]:(Audio) NASA Chief Scientist on space exploration and LENR

[Patrick Ellul]

Thanks for this. If anyone comes across a transcript of the portion where
he talks about LENR, it would be very handy.


On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:20 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:


 Courtesy of website LENR – COLD FUSION
 New Audio interview with Dennis Bushnell
 http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2012/10/22/dennis-bushnell-lenr/

 Dr. Dennis Bushnell, Chief Scientist at NASA Langley Research Center,
 discusses space exploration and (beginning at 8:22) NASA LENR research.

 (Audio)

 http://www.americanantigravity.com/news/space/dennis-bushnell-on-space-exploration.html






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Re: [Vo]:Planet discovered at Alpha Cantauri B

[Patrick Ellul]

that is so close to us, astronomically speaking!

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 5:11 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 They're finding planets everywhere! See:


 http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/lava-world-orbits-nearby-star/2012/10/16/cc75de44-17db-11e2-a55c-39408fbe6a4b_story.html




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Re: [Vo]:Another Rossi error?

[Patrick Ellul]

Rossi's numbers in a spreadsheet:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/109919735/Rossi-Validation

On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:50 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote:

 Eric, you mention that LENR devices tend to shut down by themselves in the
 HAD mode.  Rossi has insisted that his units only reach this state if they
 run uncontrolled and self destruct by melting.  I would consider this type
 of operation a defect that needs to be corrected.


 To this point, specifically, about Andrea Rossi's device going on
 indefinitely unless there is a power excursion that damages it -- I have no
 idea if this is true.  Rossi is the only person I know to have made such a
 claim, so it is unique, at least, if not altogether fanciful.  Since he is
 storing hydrogen in the substrate and releasing it through heat, I it seems
 theoretically possible.  He would have to have an efficient hydrogen
 storage mechanism, or he would have to make efficient use of what hydrogen
 there is, since it is common for LENR experiments to die down when the
 loading drops below a threshold.

 Eric




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Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat COP 11.7

[Patrick Ellul]

This is his paint supplier: http://www.universokema.eu/

On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 The higher COP includes additional energy calculated when the transformer
 overheated, vessel wall melted, table cracked from embrittlement and the
 blinding array of photons released:)


 On Friday, October 12, 2012, David Roberson wrote:

 I certainly hope that the new data is accurate.  But if history repeats
 itself, there are likely to be errors of some type.  When will we get to
 see independent test results to give us the confidence that we so much
 desire?

  Dave




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Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat COP 11.7

[Patrick Ellul]

Updated report:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/10/update-andrea-rossi-provides-corrected-pordenone-hot-cat-report/


Still has some , vs . mixups.

On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.comwrote:

 This is his paint supplier: http://www.universokema.eu/


 On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 The higher COP includes additional energy calculated when the transformer
 overheated, vessel wall melted, table cracked from embrittlement and the
 blinding array of photons released:)


 On Friday, October 12, 2012, David Roberson wrote:

 I certainly hope that the new data is accurate.  But if history repeats
 itself, there are likely to be errors of some type.  When will we get to
 see independent test results to give us the confidence that we so much
 desire?

  Dave




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Re: [Vo]:OT: Mars Rover Spots Small Bright- Metallic Object

[Patrick Ellul]

newer closup image at:
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/proj/msl/redops/ods/surface/sol/00062/opgs/edr/ccam/CR0_403005421EDR_F0050104CCAM01062M_.JPG


On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote:

 Greetings Vortex-l,

 A small nail-like object was spotted near the Rover Arm.
 Be sure to enlarge the photo at the website to see this object:
 http://phys.org/news/2012-10-mars-rover-curiosity-scoops-bright.html

 Respectfully,
 Ron Kita, Chiralex




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Re: [Vo]:October is here : Pordenone program

[Patrick Ellul]

Cleaning the top of the dolomites with wax is a metaphor for wasting
time doing something useless

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:

  At 12:33 PM 10/4/2012, Mark Gibbs wrote:

 The clean of the tops of the Dolomites with the wax and the he-he-ing
 seem unusually odd even for Rossi ... Does anyone know if the former is a
 bad translation of a colloquialism?


 I took it to mean skiing :  (wiki) A tourist mecca, the Dolomites are
 famous for skiing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skiing in the winter
 months ...

 he-he-he ... I suspect he has something up his sleeve.




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[Vo]:Some more Rossi said...

[Patrick Ellul]

This is the first time I see him talk frankly about how truly
revolutionising his hot-cat technology really would be (he explicitly
uses the conditional):

Just to translate the last sentence, which he almost said with a tear in
his eyes: it means freeing a good chunk of the world from a certain type
of slavery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNKiTR0meRQ

Regards,
Patrick

[Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

[Patrick Ellul]

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/z%C3%BCrich-09-2012-live

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Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

[Patrick Ellul]

Rossi just joined and came into the picture, accompanied by two massive
bodyguards.

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.comwrote:

 http://www.ustream.tv/channel/z%C3%BCrich-09-2012-live

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Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

[Patrick Ellul]

yes, but not the best quality.

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Patrick, do you have AUDIO?
 Peter


 On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.comwrote:

 Rossi just joined and came into the picture, accompanied by two massive
 bodyguards.


 On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.comwrote:

 http://www.ustream.tv/channel/z%C3%BCrich-09-2012-live

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 Dr. Peter Gluck
 Cluj, Romania
 http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com




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[Vo]:Rossi said...

[Patrick Ellul]

Andrea Rossi
August 29th, 2012 at 3:05
AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=63#comment-309975

Dear Dr Joseph Fine:
You are perfectly right: in fact we are designing the new 1 MW plants, for
hot temperature, and the dimensions will be those of a cylinder with a
diameter of 1.2 m and a lencth od 0.4 m.
Is shocking, I myself are surprised, but it is so.
Warmest Regards,
A.R.

Andrea Rossi
August 29th, 2012 at 9:45
AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=63#comment-310135

Dear Franco:
Attention: the dimensions 1.2 x 0.4 is not the surface of the surface of
the reactors! Inside this drum of 1.2 x 0.4 m there are 100 reactors , each
of one having about 1 200 cm^2 of surface !
I talked of the dimensions of the external container, not of the heat
exchange surface !
Warm Regards,
A.R.


Regards,
Patrick

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

[Patrick Ellul]

fair enough.

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:

 **
 Straw Man argument.

 First, the Hawaii authorities are the ones which automatically post all
 births in the newspaper.  During that time, anyone can report a
 birth to Hawaii authorities even if the birth did not physically occur in
 Hawaii.   Hawaii authorities did not have to verify the reported birth.  Funny
 though cause that address belongs to the grandparents, not bambi's parents.

 Second, there is no need to argue that his grandparents secretly conspired
 to make him a citizen because they knew he was going to be president.
 That's a straw man.   His grandparents were not dumb and knew the benefits
 of US citizenship.  No conspiracy to be POTUS has to be invoked, only that
 they want their grandchild to be a US citizen is good enough a reason.



 But just give me a simple explanation why his Hawaii Vault BC is still
 secret.  He can end this Birther conspiracy movement with a single phone
 call to release his vault BC.  Why hasn't he done it?  All your eloquent
 reasons will not overcome this simple fact.


 Jojo







 - Original Message -
 *From:* Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2012 1:36 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we
 are crazy

 http://factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

 In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues
 realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama
 instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu
 Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:

 [image: Inline image 1]

 Of course, it’s distantly possible that Obama’s grandparents may have
 planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his
 U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday.


 On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:

 **
 Of course I know his real name.  He was naturalized as an Indonesian
 citizen as Barry Soetero.  The Indonesian government knows this as a fact
 but they are holding this over Criminal-in-chief's head to win concession
 from the American Government.  This is the danger of divided loyalties for
 a president.  The founding fathers wisely included the Natural Born
 provision exactly to prevent situations like this.


 Jojo



  - Original Message -
 *From:* Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
  *Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2012 12:29 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we
 are crazy

 So, his name is no Barak Obama or similar? And you know the real name?

 2012/8/8 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com

 **
 I can't very well use his real name cause the secret service will be all
 over me and do their intimidation routine.






  - Original Message -
 *From:* Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
  *Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:57 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we
 are crazy

  Don't you think hat Donkey Kong, which is the name of a videogame ape,
 is a bit racist?

 2012/8/7 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com

 LOL,  if these were the only faults of Donkeykong, it wouldn't be such
 a big deal.

 Fact is, Donkeykong is a usurper-in-chief.  He violated and trampled on
 the most basic law of our country.  Donkeykong is a criminal and should be
 removed, by force if necessary.



 Jojo






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Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

[Patrick Ellul]

http://factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues
realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama
instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu
Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:

[image: Inline image 1]

Of course, it’s distantly possible that Obama’s grandparents may have
planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his
U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday.


On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:

 **
 Of course I know his real name.  He was naturalized as an Indonesian
 citizen as Barry Soetero.  The Indonesian government knows this as a fact
 but they are holding this over Criminal-in-chief's head to win concession
 from the American Government.  This is the danger of divided loyalties for
 a president.  The founding fathers wisely included the Natural Born
 provision exactly to prevent situations like this.


 Jojo



 - Original Message -
 *From:* Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2012 12:29 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we
 are crazy

 So, his name is no Barak Obama or similar? And you know the real name?

 2012/8/8 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com

 **
 I can't very well use his real name cause the secret service will be all
 over me and do their intimidation routine.






  - Original Message -
 *From:* Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
  *Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:57 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we
 are crazy

  Don't you think hat Donkey Kong, which is the name of a videogame ape,
 is a bit racist?

 2012/8/7 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com

 LOL,  if these were the only faults of Donkeykong, it wouldn't be such a
 big deal.

 Fact is, Donkeykong is a usurper-in-chief.  He violated and trampled on
 the most basic law of our country.  Donkeykong is a criminal and should be
 removed, by force if necessary.



 Jojo






 --
 Daniel Rocha - RJ
 danieldi...@gmail.com




 --
 Daniel Rocha - RJ
 danieldi...@gmail.com




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Re: [Vo]:What the DOD gave to Rossi?

[Patrick Ellul]

Not sure if the following has been brought to the attention of this thread
yet. Rossi's answer might be relevant.


   1. Joe
   July 23rd, 2012 at 1:19
PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=666cpage=4#comment-284875

   Dr Rossi,

   Would the E-Cat process work for other elements (carbon, tungsten) for
   the sake of having a higher melting temperature with which to work?

   All the best,
   Joe
   2. Andrea Rossi
   July 23rd, 2012 at 4:00
PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=666cpage=4#comment-284971

   Dear Joe:
   My Friend, you always put questions I am not allowed to answer to!
   Warm Regards,
   A.R.


On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Guenter Wildgruber
gwildgru...@ymail.comwrote:

 Axil,

 Tungsten would be a whole new game in town.

 Its main 'advantage' being that it would make Rossi's claims a bit more
 plausible.
 My personal experience is:
 Stick to what is working, and do not make major changes.

 My major objection, based on a bit of common sense, still holds:
 LENR is NOT a homogenous process and necessarily has its hot spots, far
 surpassing average temperature.
 I think we a gree that 1000degC is dangerously close to recrystallization,
 which,
 with Ni seems to be somewhere near 1120degC.
 If this is correct, Rossi would have managed nearly perfect control of the
 process, leaving all his competitors in the dust.

 Another aspect being: with a 'dry' process one cannot remove the process
 heat, so it would have to be a 'wet' process, where the cooling fluid is in
 direct contact to the reactant.

 But in this case (wet process) all MY mental conceptions of the nature of
 the process break down.

 Quite possibly I'm wrong, as an armchair theorist in the issue. Just
 assembling the laws of nature and the evidences to something possible.
 Rossi has to deliver evidence, to prove me wrong.
 Up to now he nearly did nothing of this sort.
 Right now the probability that Rossi is a bigmouth with an illusion of
 grandeur is much higher than him actually delivering something.

 Guenter

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 *Von:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
 *An:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Gesendet:* 20:15 Dienstag, 24.Juli 2012
 *Betreff:* Re: [Vo]:What the DOD gave to Rossi?

  *IMHO, nickel micro-powder cannot sustain reactor long term operating
 temperatures at 1000C without deteriorating especially if copper is
 produced as a transmutation product.*
 * *
 *Something has to give with this concept and I believe it is the use of
 nickel as the reaction substrate.*
 * *
 *Micro powder would be retained as a way to maximize reaction surface
 area, but an element with a higher melting temperature would need to be
 used to keep the micro powder grains from sintering together into a
 congealed mess.*
 * *
 *The use of tungsten is my guess especially since Rossi states that he
 needs more x-ray shielding in his new very high temperature system.
 Tungsten will produce that type of radiation profile.*
 * *


 *Cheers:  Axil*








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