Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-09 Thread Alain Sepeda
What I have understood is that momentum conservation is a shortcut, uncounscious to free space physicists. It mean gamma as one particle to compensate momentum. In lattice, momentum can be dissipated in many way, moreover particles are so bound to other particle that the allowed

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-09 Thread Harry Veeder
If Kim et al have now explained CF then there is nothing left for me to say on this subject. Harry On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: What I have understood is that momentum conservation is a shortcut, uncounscious to free space physicists. It mean

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-09 Thread Axil Axil
There is a long way to go yet. Dr. Szilard patented the nuclear reaction back in the 1930s. These was a lot to do after that point in nuclear energy development. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: If Kim et al have now explained CF then there is nothing

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-08 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. Take your time, but it would be nice to read the source. The headings that set out the three miracles in his book are (pp. 111-13):

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-08 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Does he classify them as miracles because he considers them impossible or extremely improbable? My impression only, but he seems to use the term miracle to highlight what is in his view fanciful thinking on the part of

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-08 Thread Axil Axil
Quantum Mechanics allows for things to happen that are contrary to every viewpoint of reality and common sense. What happens inside an NI/H reactor is not of this universe. It is understandable that people living in this universe to rejects the LENR universe. Even outstanding true believer

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-08 Thread Alain Sepeda
Those miracles could be translated in Cowboy language : People who have seen animal in the sky are drunk because 1- no cow have wing 2- even with wings flying cows would dump bullshit and you will find some on the roofs 3- you should find linear tracks of cows running to take-off This what

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-08 Thread Roger Bird
No cow ever shits bull shit. They always shit cow shit. Therefore your reasoning is flawed. On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: Those miracles could be translated in Cowboy language : People who have seen animal in the sky are drunk because 1- no

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-08 Thread Alain Sepeda
Ah ah 8-) sorry I'm only an engineer... by the good example of how patho-skeptics deny critics ! 2013/6/8 Roger Bird bachc...@gmail.com No cow ever shits bull shit. They always shit cow shit. Therefore your reasoning is flawed. On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Alain Sepeda

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-08 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 12:46:32 PM 3- you should find linear tracks of cows running to take-off Bull feathers! 3A : Cows just blow up with Methane and float away like a balloon. 3B : Cows fill with methane (as in 3A) .. but it is expelled

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-08 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.comwrote: It seems to me if he was certain they were impossible he would have explicitly mentioned violation of conservation of momentum/energy since

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-08 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: The third section is titled Concealed nuclear products. Notice he says concealed rather than non-existent which suggests to me he is considering the possibility, however improbable, that the products are present but have

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-08 Thread Alain Sepeda
ah... pet theories... (most french knowing english, and reciprocal should die of laughing). (fr:pet= en:fart) 2013/6/8 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com From: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 12:46:32 PM 3- you should find linear tracks of cows running to

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-08 Thread Axil Axil
In the standard model, E=MC2, and the neutrino account for the Energy and momentum conservation. The same rules apply for LENR. If something does not add up, just add a new field like the Higgs or the Higgs boson. Or maybe super-symmetric particles might be required. Maybe LENR will require the

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-07 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Unfortunately, even though Y E Kim engaged with me in the past, he seems to have chosen not to engage on this particular subject, wherein his theory is given a leg up. Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com May 27 (10 days ago) to Yeong Hello Dr. Kim: It would seem that your BEC theory has gotten

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-07 Thread Peter Gluck
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RE: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-07 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Thanks for the clarification. -mi From: Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 11:42 PM To: VORTEX Subject: Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change No dear Mark, this is a modest blog, an average of 150 views per day I don't want

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-07 Thread Joe Hughes
Great interview Peter (and response to Mary). Thank you for sharing with us. As i started learning about the LENR field Dr. Kim's papers were some of the first I ever came across and as an amateur I did not fully comprehend a majority of what i read but never the less enjoyed reading them all

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-07 Thread Peter Gluck
Yeong is a great scientist and he is very generous and friendly. And he has great courage and takes responsibilty- he is an authority in two fields of physics and even more. You can now find all his papers at the iste of his University mentioned in the Interview.. His presenation at ICCF-18 will

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-07 Thread Harry Veeder
Peter, Kim says Huizenga's three miracles are: (1) suppression of the DD Coulomb repulsion (Gamow factor) * * (2) no production of nuclear products (D+D → n+ 3He, etc.) (3) the violation of the momentum conservation in free space In other places I have seen Huizenga three miracles written like

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-07 Thread Alain Sepeda
are'nt gamma the way to compensate momentum ? and neutron the expected nuclear products? by the way I appreciate the way yeong kim explain why lattice is not free space : even though I clearly recognized that the conventional nuclear scattering theory at positive energies cannot directly be

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-07 Thread Peter Gluck
Probbably Huizenga himself has used different variants, this is like folklore. I confees I have not read the Huizenga and Taubes books, have seen them when visting at Gene Mallove's office in 1998 but I was not too interested- they were discussed over and over. Peter On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:15

RE: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-07 Thread Jones Beene
In contrast, the only miracle required for a version of the Rydberg redundancy explanation (redundant electron ground state) is that it happens at all… since everything else is standard physics. … or stated another way – it would be a miracle in itself if the experimental proof offered

RE: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-07 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Jones Does Rydberg redundancy explanation (redundant electron ground state) = IRH? Fran From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 2:24 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

RE: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-07 Thread Jones Beene
Yes. From: Roarty, Francis X Does Rydberg redundancy explanation (redundant electron ground state) = IRH? Fran From: Jones Beene In contrast, the only miracle required for a version of the Rydberg redundancy explanation (redundant electron ground state) is that it happens at

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-07 Thread Harry Veeder
Either Kim incorrectly quotes Huizenga's book or the second ( and more popular?) version misrepresents Huizenga's three miracles. Somebody with a copy of Huizenga's book could this settle this issue quickly. Harry On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-07 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 12:29:30 PM Somebody with a copy of Huizenga's book could this settle this issue quickly. I have an early edition (he revised it later) but it's in my office and I won't be there until early next week.

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-07 Thread mixent
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Fri, 7 Jun 2013 13:15:46 -0400: Hi, If particle emission doesn't relieve the excited nucleus of its energy (#2), then some other means is required. If that is not gamma emission (and the gammas are clearly absent), then the assumption appears to be that the

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-07 Thread Harry Veeder
If He took off by itself, how fast would it be moving? Detecting and measuring the speed of He particles would be a way checking for a conservation of momentum violation. harry On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 5:11 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Fri, 7 Jun 2013

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-07 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 12:29:30 PM Somebody with a copy of Huizenga's book could this settle this issue quickly. I have an early edition (he revised it later) but it's in

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-07 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: If He took off by itself, how fast would it be moving? Detecting and measuring the speed of He particles would be a way checking for a conservation of momentum violation. As an amateur following the field, this is my

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-07 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. Take your time, but it would be nice to read the source. The headings that set out the three miracles in his book are (pp. 111-13): 1. Fusion-rate miracle 2. Branching-ratio miracle 3.

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-07 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: For (2), he's talking about how you'd have to significantly decrease the rate of the d+d→3He+p and d+d→t+n branches, which are normally ~50 percent each Typo -- that should read, d+d→3He+n and d+d→t+p branches. Eric

[Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-06 Thread Peter Gluck
*Prof. Yeong Kim interviewed*: a veteran finally gets optimistic following a technological breakthrough. Please see: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/06/a-veterans-voice.html -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-06 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 8:14:45 PM Prof. Yeong Kim interviewed : a veteran finally gets optimistic following a technological breakthrough. Please see: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/06/a-veterans-voice.html A great interview ... and

RE: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

2013-06-06 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
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