Harry Veeder wrote:
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From: OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:39 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Man cured of AIDS
This has been both a fascinating and lengthy discussion thread.
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A rock, imo, is conscious of the Earth
This has been both a fascinating and lengthy discussion thread.
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A rock, imo, is conscious of the Earth but it is not self-conscious.
It is knows to fall to the earth, but it doesn't worry
about hurting itself.
It solves many problems if we grant consciousness to so called dead
matter,
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From: OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:39 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Man cured of AIDS
This has been both a fascinating and lengthy discussion thread.
...
A rock, imo, is conscious of the Earth but it is not self-conscious
As the Petunia said, Oh no, not again.
Terry
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 8:39 AM, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This has been both a fascinating and lengthy discussion thread.
...
A rock, imo, is conscious of the Earth but it is not self-conscious.
It is knows to fall to the earth, but
On Nov 20, 2008, at 11:51 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:
As the Petunia said, Oh no, not again.
Terry
Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the
bowl of petunias as it fell was Oh no, not again. Many people have
speculated that if we knew exactly why the bowl of
To Doctor Hume, I presume,
O' wise and enchanted wizard, please tell us why we are to discard the laws
of human nature in favor of some new learned science.
We have religiously applied the old laws and never had a problem . Our old
book of miracles worked.
Perhaps you can inquire of the
On Nov 17, 2008, at 10:00 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
For example, Dr. Irvin S. Y. Chen, director of the AIDS Institute
at U.C.L.A. , is working on using RNA hairpin scissors to cut
out the bits of genetic material in blood stem cells that code for
the receptors. . . .
Horace Heffner wrote:
A marrow transplant cure, especially using gene therapy on the
patient's own cells to obtain the new marrow, is well within the
reach of US medical capabilities, both technically and financially.
I do not think so. A bone marrow transplant costs ~$250,000 and there
are
Horace Heffner wrote:
On Nov 17, 2008, at 10:00 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I am well aware of the fact that the MM experiments were not fully
convincing, and some smart people still think there may be variations
in the speed of light from ether, but from an empiricist point of
view, it is
The realm of science is the observable, testable, measurable
universe, the physical universe. There may be things that exists
entirely outside of this physical universe, or which can occasionally
be part of the physical universe, or occasionally affect it. Perhaps
higher dimensional
Horace, science and religion play by different rules. Science uses
objective, testable reality and religion uses faith, i.e. the
arbitrary belief based on tradition. Of course the two can never
agree. Science does not give anyone the right to believe any anything
that evidence shows is
Horace Heffner wrote:
The realm of science is the observable, testable, measurable universe,
the physical universe. There may be things that exists entirely outside
of this physical universe, or which can occasionally be part of the
physical universe, or occasionally affect it. Perhaps
On Nov 19, 2008, at 6:24 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
A marrow transplant cure, especially using gene therapy on the
patient's own cells to obtain the new marrow, is well within the
reach of US medical capabilities, both technically and financially.
I do not think so. A
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote on 11-18-08:
The Michelson-Morely experiment was designed to test
a prediction made by a particular aether theory which
was widely accepted at that time. The prediction was
contradicted by the results of the experiment.
Hi All,
Lorentz explained the null result of
Horace Heffner wrote:
The realm of science is the observable, testable, measurable
universe, the physical universe. There may be things that exists
entirely outside of this physical universe, or which can
occasionally be part of the physical universe, or occasionally affect it.
Well, there
Stephen, why do you postulate there must be a line? Like intelligence,
consciousness could be non-discrete, simply increasing mechanically
with the complexity of the organized system. Can't you imagine
elaborate robots in the future thinking I'm conscious; I'm certain of
that, by direct
Horace Heffner wrote:
I don't have any idea what you are talking about. The source of the
transplant can be the patient himself.
The method used on the patient in Germany required a transplant from
someone else, who happened to have the correct genetic makeup. The
patient required a
On Nov 19, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
[snip interesting argument]
There's a line there somewhere between things that are conscious and
things that are not, but there's no way to determine with any
certainty
*where* to draw it, because the concept of consciousness is
Taylor J. Smith wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote on 11-18-08:
The Michelson-Morely experiment was designed to test
a prediction made by a particular aether theory which
was widely accepted at that time. The prediction was
contradicted by the results of the experiment.
Hi All,
I would like to inject another idea here. Of course we all suffer
from delusions of one kind or another. In addition, our conscious mind
is only an imperfect image of the real world. This is a realty that
can't be avoided. The issue is what to do about this fact. Science
has been
Michel Jullian wrote:
Stephen, why do you postulate there must be a line? Like intelligence,
consciousness could be non-discrete, simply increasing mechanically
with the complexity of the organized system. Can't you imagine
elaborate robots in the future thinking I'm conscious; I'm certain
On Nov 19, 2008, at 12:04 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
I don't have any idea what you are talking about. The source of
the transplant can be the patient himself.
The method used on the patient in Germany required a transplant
from someone else, who happened to have the
On Nov 19, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
I picked the top and bottom
(humans and rocks) to be unambiguous, but everything in the middle is
at least somewhat unclear.
It is even unclear for humans. Is a sleep walking man conscious? Is
someone conscious in a coma, and if so
Horace Heffner wrote:
I attended a lecture in the 1960's by a psychologist who was developing
his assumpto-therapy. He developed his theraputic technique to handle
the many behavioral problems he saw which didn't have clearly prescribed
therapies and which typically resulted in extended
Horace Heffner wrote:
I picked the top and bottom
(humans and rocks) to be unambiguous, but everything in the middle is
at least somewhat unclear.
It is becoming clearer with progress in biology medical science, as I said.
It is even unclear for humans. Is a sleep walking man conscious?
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
The point is, we don't know, and we don't know how to find out, and we
don't even have a good handle on how to properly phrase the question.
Your info is out of date. We know more and more, and we have a good
handle on it. Of course there is a lot of work to be
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From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Man cured of AIDS
Horace Heffner wrote:
The realm of science is the observable, testable, measurable
universe, the physical universe. There may
. There was a Great Healer sent to earth 2000 years ago. Read
His account and discount the NYT.
Richard
wow.
harry
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From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:32 am
Subject: [Vo]:Man cured of AIDS
Some months ago we discussed
R C Macaulay wrote:
Actually, the NYT does not state the man was cured. By reading
the report given, one is induced to become seduced by the untruth,
which is what the NYT does best.
That's incorrect. The man is completely cured, as far as medical
science can tell. There is probably not a
Whoa ! Jed,
You sorta qualified your response with a ( as far as medical science can
tell).
Miracles are by definition miracles and as such are not subject to
tests. Ask surgeons that has performed a lifetime of operations and they
will admit they never really know when their skills leave
I wrote:
As I said, doctors can be as wrong as anyone. The fact that they
believe in miracles has no bearing on whether miracles exist or not.
In fact, doctors resemble baseball players, actors and sailors in
that a successful outcome in their jobs are often largely a matter
of luck (random
Some months ago we discussed here the possibility of this working.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/14/health/14hiv.html?
blex=1226811600en=69c9c3988c55907dei=5087%0A
http://tinyurl.com/5ppxyr
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
wow.
harry
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From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:32 am
Subject: [Vo]:Man cured of AIDS
Some months ago we discussed here the possibility of this working. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/14/health/14hiv.html? blex=1226811600en
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