RE: [Vo]:Multiplying entities: why would Rossi fake some tests when others are indisputably real?

2011-08-10 Thread Mark Iverson
Abd wrote: You are, however, assuming that Galantini could tell that the chimney had no liquid water in it at the level of the thermometer, because he withdrew the probe and observed that it was dry. [deleted sentence] Has it occurred to you that steam doesn't come out of the thermometer port

Re: [Vo]:Multiplying entities: why would Rossi fake some tests when others are indisputably real?

2011-08-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mark Iverson wrote: 1) In Galantini's report, it is clear that he was looking at several different sensors. 2) I seriously doubt that the RH sensor would physically fit in the opening where the outlet temperature sensor is located. It fits in a different port. You can see it in some of the

Re: [Vo]:Multiplying entities: why would Rossi fake some tests when others are indisputably real?

2011-08-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:04 AM 8/10/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Essentially, depending on the thermometer being wet to inform the observer of the lack of water is foolish. No, it isn't. Galantini knows what he is doing. The probe would be wet because these probes are tapered. The plug

Re: [Vo]:Multiplying entities: why would Rossi fake some tests when others are indisputably real?

2011-08-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:38 AM 8/10/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Mark Iverson wrote: 1) In Galantini's report, it is clear that he was looking at several different sensors. 2) I seriously doubt that the RH sensor would physically fit in the opening where the outlet temperature sensor is located. It fits in a

[Vo]:Multiplying entities: why would Rossi fake some tests when others are indisputably real?

2011-08-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: With some tests of the eCat we can rule this out. It seems unlikely to me that it works in some tests but not others. When we don't have prior experience, we have no basis for prediction. You are multiplying entities unnecessarily. The

Re: [Vo]:Multiplying entities: why would Rossi fake some tests when others are indisputably real?

2011-08-09 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/8/9 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Since Rossi was able to keep the thing from overflowing when Galantini observed the tests, why do you think he was unable to do this when Krivit was watching the test? When Galantini observed the test, they had large version of E-Cat that can store

Re: [Vo]:Multiplying entities: why would Rossi fake some tests when others are indisputably real?

2011-08-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: When Galantini observed the test, they had large version of E-Cat that can store large quantities, perhaps several liters of water, before it starts overflowing. When I am cooking, I can stop a pot from boiling dry whether it is large or small.

Re: [Vo]:Multiplying entities: why would Rossi fake some tests when others are indisputably real?

2011-08-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: And if we look Rossi's presentation when he did calculations he treated Krivit's audience like he would assume that Krivit was doing journalism to some tabloid news paper(!). That is nonsense. The calculations were perfectly correct. They were

Re: [Vo]:Multiplying entities: why would Rossi fake some tests when others are indisputably real?

2011-08-09 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/8/9 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: This also means that ictu oculi is very unreliable way to make reliable confirmation. He withdrew the probe and looked at it. It was dry. It would wet if there was water flowing through the machine.

Re: [Vo]:Multiplying entities: why would Rossi fake some tests when others are indisputably real?

2011-08-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen wrote: I guess, you missed my point. When Galantini observed ictu oculi, the E-Cat was not yet overflowing, because it may take several tens of minutes if not hours before water level rises enough to start overflowing . . Ah. I see what you mean. However, he says he checked

Re: [Vo]:Multiplying entities: why would Rossi fake some tests when others are indisputably real?

2011-08-09 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/8/9 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: I do not think it overflows, but even if it does, that does not preclude real heat. I suppose it would reduce the amount of heat, as Abd says. It would also prevent steam from coming out of the end of the hose, as Storms says. Therefore I doubt it

Re: [Vo]:Multiplying entities: why would Rossi fake some tests when others are indisputably real?

2011-08-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: Anyways, I see that it is absolutely impossible for Rossi to control anomalous cold fusion reaction so that it would match exactly with the water inflow rate, because I think that even 5% variation in heat output would cause drastic change of steam

Re: [Vo]:Multiplying entities: why would Rossi fake some tests when others are indisputably real?

2011-08-09 Thread Joe Catania
extraordinarily weak. - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Multiplying entities: why would Rossi fake some tests when others are indisputably real? Jouni Valkonen wrote: I

Re: [Vo]:Multiplying entities: why would Rossi fake some tests when others are indisputably real?

2011-08-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:01 AM 8/9/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: The overflowing water hypothesis does not apply to the flowing water test, and it is definitely wrong for the tests observed by Galantini. He removed the probe and observed that it was dry. So Rossi can control the water level in the cell and keep it

Re: [Vo]:Multiplying entities: why would Rossi fake some tests when others are indisputably real?

2011-08-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:47 PM 8/9/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Jouni Valkonen mailto:jounivalko...@gmail.comjounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: And if we look Rossi's presentation when he did calculations he treated Krivit's audience like he would assume that Krivit was doing journalism to some tabloid news paper(!).

Re: [Vo]:Multiplying entities: why would Rossi fake some tests when others are indisputably real?

2011-08-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:39 PM 8/9/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Jouni Valkonen mailto:jounivalko...@gmail.comjounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: When Galantini observed the test, they had large version of E-Cat that can store large quantities, perhaps several liters of water, before it starts overflowing. When I am