Re: [Vo]:Rossi/E-Cat lawsuit: A long-in-the-making set-up job..?

[Alain Sepeda]

All report I have on Thomas darden are very kind, exceptionally kind,  and
others scientists working with him are happy.
This affair was the occasion to learn from people who met him, who he was.
No doubt he is professional, but not only.
Like most here I expected something with many shades of grey, but there is
more light than usual there.

The case is complex, and at least we should not take a position without the
data.
If one absolutely want to take a position, just take the CV and the
anecdotes about each character and guess what happened.

I personally eliminate the Mary Yugo position it is a scam, but it may be a
sad story.

My best hope is that it is just a problem of sincere collaboration. You
don't marry if you refuse the share the same bed.

2016-04-12 6:41 GMT+02:00 Che :

>
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:10 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> Thomas Darden shall not avoid the requirements of the Licence Agreement
>> and pay Rossi what is agreed upon. The positive ERV is the ONLY requirement
>> for payment defined in the LA. Even the Pope must follow the law. Being
>> a sainted person does not give that person the right to ignore
>> a legally binding agreement.
>>
>
>
> Why the blazes is this troll here defending a vulture capitalist outfit
> which is welching on a contract which has quite apparently NOT been voided
> on the Rossi side..? I read the entire legal complaint. This *all* hinges
> on the outcome of the long-term validation process. My understanding is
> that this *was* a success.
>
> Who's lying here... and why?
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi/E-Cat lawsuit: A long-in-the-making set-up job..?

[Che]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 1:25 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> How does "and pay Rossi what is agreed upon." mean  "this troll here
> defending a vulture capitalist outfit ". Something is wrong with my writing
> or your reading.
>

No, something is wrong with _your_ reading. My use of the word 'blazes'
should have clued you in as to the context of who I was referring-to.

Don't be so defensive.





On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Che  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:10 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>
>>> Thomas Darden shall not avoid the requirements of the Licence Agreement
>>> and pay Rossi what is agreed upon. The positive ERV is the ONLY requirement
>>> for payment defined in the LA. Even the Pope must follow the law. Being
>>> a sainted person does not give that person the right to ignore
>>> a legally binding agreement.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Why the blazes is this troll here defending a vulture capitalist outfit
>> which is welching on a contract which has quite apparently NOT been voided
>> on the Rossi side..? I read the entire legal complaint. This *all* hinges
>> on the outcome of the long-term validation process. My understanding is
>> that this *was* a success.
>>
>> Who's lying here... and why?
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi/E-Cat lawsuit: A long-in-the-making set-up job..?

[Axil Axil]

How does "and pay Rossi what is agreed upon." mean  "this troll here
defending a vulture capitalist outfit ". Something is wrong with my writing
or your reading.

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Che  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:10 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> Thomas Darden shall not avoid the requirements of the Licence Agreement
>> and pay Rossi what is agreed upon. The positive ERV is the ONLY requirement
>> for payment defined in the LA. Even the Pope must follow the law. Being
>> a sainted person does not give that person the right to ignore
>> a legally binding agreement.
>>
>
>
> Why the blazes is this troll here defending a vulture capitalist outfit
> which is welching on a contract which has quite apparently NOT been voided
> on the Rossi side..? I read the entire legal complaint. This *all* hinges
> on the outcome of the long-term validation process. My understanding is
> that this *was* a success.
>
> Who's lying here... and why?
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi/E-Cat lawsuit: A long-in-the-making set-up job..?

[Che]

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:10 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> Thomas Darden shall not avoid the requirements of the Licence Agreement
> and pay Rossi what is agreed upon. The positive ERV is the ONLY requirement
> for payment defined in the LA. Even the Pope must follow the law. Being
> a sainted person does not give that person the right to ignore
> a legally binding agreement.
>


Why the blazes is this troll here defending a vulture capitalist outfit
which is welching on a contract which has quite apparently NOT been voided
on the Rossi side..? I read the entire legal complaint. This *all* hinges
on the outcome of the long-term validation process. My understanding is
that this *was* a success.

Who's lying here... and why?

Re: [Vo]:Rossi/E-Cat lawsuit: A long-in-the-making set-up job..?

[Axil Axil]

Thomas Darden shall not avoid the requirements of the Licence Agreement and
pay Rossi what is agreed upon. The positive ERV is the ONLY requirement for
payment defined in the LA. Even the Pope must follow the law. Being
a sainted person does not give that person the right to ignore
a legally binding agreement.

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 8:51 PM, Blaze Spinnaker 
wrote:

> What really upsets  me is that folks are defending Rossi here versus
> Thomas Darden, a successful leader who has worked hard to invest and
> advance environmental technology.   Also someone who cut cheques of 11M
> plus to Andrea Rossi, by all public reports, a convicted fraudster who
> spent time in Jail.
>
> That's right, Darden gave real investor money to an ex-con.
>
> And yet people are defending Rossi, here?   Come on!!
>
> I really hope Rossi has something, but I think everyone would be better
> served if his Fans would grasp reality and speak to Rossi with a unified
> voice that it is now time for him to either go-away, shut down his blog,
> and STFU until he has something Real that he can share publically.
>
> On Monday, April 11, 2016, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> The study of LENR now requires a study of the law. Reading how the 89M is
>> paid has nothing to do with IP. Final payment is strictly based on a
>> positive ERV report. IMHO, I.H. cannot holdback payment because they are
>> not satisfied with the distribution of IP.
>>
>> Any IP issues are red herrings with regards to the final payment based on
>> the letter of the licence agreement.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Blaze Spinnaker <
>> blazespinna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No, Thomas Darden is a committed environmentalist who's been working on
>>> these things for his whole life.  His whole network of friends are
>>> supportive of environmental causes.   This sort of thinking is what makes
>>> vortex a bit scary at times.
>>>
>>> The reality is that patents / etc are all meaningless.   Rossi just has
>>> to publish schematics for his device.   He's old and as far as I know
>>> doesn't have children.   Nothing in the world could stop him if he had
>>> anything real.
>>>
>>> It's pretty simple though.  The guy has a lose relationship with the
>>> truth and a history of causing clusters, and this is yet another.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 11, 2016, Che  wrote:
>>>

 This thought must have occurred to others -- even when things were
 going swimmingly... but I don't see mention of it bobbing to the surface
 here.

 Q: Could this entire undertaking with these present U.S. venture
 capitalists have been a set-up job all along -- *intended* to embroil and
 sink Rossi from the start: with the ultimate goal of sinking the entire
 LENR field if possible; but specifically aimed at doing its desired damage
 through (at the very least) tying the E-Cat up in the U.S. courts for
 years... and thus sidelining and ruining the legitimately-aggrieved parties
 (Rossi & Co.)..?

 Who would have an interest in doing just that..?





>>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi/E-Cat lawsuit: A long-in-the-making set-up job..?

[Blaze Spinnaker]

What really upsets  me is that folks are defending Rossi here versus Thomas
Darden, a successful leader who has worked hard to invest and advance
environmental technology.   Also someone who cut cheques of 11M plus to
Andrea Rossi, by all public reports, a convicted fraudster who spent time
in Jail.

That's right, Darden gave real investor money to an ex-con.

And yet people are defending Rossi, here?   Come on!!

I really hope Rossi has something, but I think everyone would be better
served if his Fans would grasp reality and speak to Rossi with a unified
voice that it is now time for him to either go-away, shut down his blog,
and STFU until he has something Real that he can share publically.

On Monday, April 11, 2016, Axil Axil  wrote:

> The study of LENR now requires a study of the law. Reading how the 89M is
> paid has nothing to do with IP. Final payment is strictly based on a
> positive ERV report. IMHO, I.H. cannot holdback payment because they are
> not satisfied with the distribution of IP.
>
> Any IP issues are red herrings with regards to the final payment based on
> the letter of the licence agreement.
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Blaze Spinnaker  > wrote:
>
>> No, Thomas Darden is a committed environmentalist who's been working on
>> these things for his whole life.  His whole network of friends are
>> supportive of environmental causes.   This sort of thinking is what makes
>> vortex a bit scary at times.
>>
>> The reality is that patents / etc are all meaningless.   Rossi just has
>> to publish schematics for his device.   He's old and as far as I know
>> doesn't have children.   Nothing in the world could stop him if he had
>> anything real.
>>
>> It's pretty simple though.  The guy has a lose relationship with the
>> truth and a history of causing clusters, and this is yet another.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 11, 2016, Che > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> This thought must have occurred to others -- even when things were going
>>> swimmingly... but I don't see mention of it bobbing to the surface here.
>>>
>>> Q: Could this entire undertaking with these present U.S. venture
>>> capitalists have been a set-up job all along -- *intended* to embroil and
>>> sink Rossi from the start: with the ultimate goal of sinking the entire
>>> LENR field if possible; but specifically aimed at doing its desired damage
>>> through (at the very least) tying the E-Cat up in the U.S. courts for
>>> years... and thus sidelining and ruining the legitimately-aggrieved parties
>>> (Rossi & Co.)..?
>>>
>>> Who would have an interest in doing just that..?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi/E-Cat lawsuit: A long-in-the-making set-up job..?

[Axil Axil]

The study of LENR now requires a study of the law. Reading how the 89M is
paid has nothing to do with IP. Final payment is strictly based on a
positive ERV report. IMHO, I.H. cannot holdback payment because they are
not satisfied with the distribution of IP.

Any IP issues are red herrings with regards to the final payment based on
the letter of the licence agreement.

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Blaze Spinnaker 
wrote:

> No, Thomas Darden is a committed environmentalist who's been working on
> these things for his whole life.  His whole network of friends are
> supportive of environmental causes.   This sort of thinking is what makes
> vortex a bit scary at times.
>
> The reality is that patents / etc are all meaningless.   Rossi just has to
> publish schematics for his device.   He's old and as far as I know doesn't
> have children.   Nothing in the world could stop him if he had anything
> real.
>
> It's pretty simple though.  The guy has a lose relationship with the truth
> and a history of causing clusters, and this is yet another.
>
>
> On Monday, April 11, 2016, Che  wrote:
>
>>
>> This thought must have occurred to others -- even when things were going
>> swimmingly... but I don't see mention of it bobbing to the surface here.
>>
>> Q: Could this entire undertaking with these present U.S. venture
>> capitalists have been a set-up job all along -- *intended* to embroil and
>> sink Rossi from the start: with the ultimate goal of sinking the entire
>> LENR field if possible; but specifically aimed at doing its desired damage
>> through (at the very least) tying the E-Cat up in the U.S. courts for
>> years... and thus sidelining and ruining the legitimately-aggrieved parties
>> (Rossi & Co.)..?
>>
>> Who would have an interest in doing just that..?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi/E-Cat lawsuit: A long-in-the-making set-up job..?

[Blaze Spinnaker]

No, Thomas Darden is a committed environmentalist who's been working on
these things for his whole life.  His whole network of friends are
supportive of environmental causes.   This sort of thinking is what makes
vortex a bit scary at times.

The reality is that patents / etc are all meaningless.   Rossi just has to
publish schematics for his device.   He's old and as far as I know doesn't
have children.   Nothing in the world could stop him if he had anything
real.

It's pretty simple though.  The guy has a lose relationship with the truth
and a history of causing clusters, and this is yet another.

On Monday, April 11, 2016, Che  wrote:

>
> This thought must have occurred to others -- even when things were going
> swimmingly... but I don't see mention of it bobbing to the surface here.
>
> Q: Could this entire undertaking with these present U.S. venture
> capitalists have been a set-up job all along -- *intended* to embroil and
> sink Rossi from the start: with the ultimate goal of sinking the entire
> LENR field if possible; but specifically aimed at doing its desired damage
> through (at the very least) tying the E-Cat up in the U.S. courts for
> years... and thus sidelining and ruining the legitimately-aggrieved parties
> (Rossi & Co.)..?
>
> Who would have an interest in doing just that..?
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi/E-Cat lawsuit: A long-in-the-making set-up job..?

[Axil Axil]

It is true, a patent troll with distribution rights could be well positions
to stop the  sale of the LENR product.

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Che  wrote:

>
> This thought must have occurred to others -- even when things were going
> swimmingly... but I don't see mention of it bobbing to the surface here.
>
> Q: Could this entire undertaking with these present U.S. venture
> capitalists have been a set-up job all along -- *intended* to embroil and
> sink Rossi from the start: with the ultimate goal of sinking the entire
> LENR field if possible; but specifically aimed at doing its desired damage
> through (at the very least) tying the E-Cat up in the U.S. courts for
> years... and thus sidelining and ruining the legitimately-aggrieved parties
> (Rossi & Co.)..?
>
> Who would have an interest in doing just that..?
>
>
>
>
>

[Vo]:Rossi/E-Cat lawsuit: A long-in-the-making set-up job..?

[Che]

This thought must have occurred to others -- even when things were going
swimmingly... but I don't see mention of it bobbing to the surface here.

Q: Could this entire undertaking with these present U.S. venture
capitalists have been a set-up job all along -- *intended* to embroil and
sink Rossi from the start: with the ultimate goal of sinking the entire
LENR field if possible; but specifically aimed at doing its desired damage
through (at the very least) tying the E-Cat up in the U.S. courts for
years... and thus sidelining and ruining the legitimately-aggrieved parties
(Rossi & Co.)..?

Who would have an interest in doing just that..?