Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-29 Thread Alan Fletcher
More rossi-sez : Brian March 29th, 2013 at 9:02 AM Dear Mr. Rossi I hope that you are well. I was curious about the timeline for the publication of the third party report. It is my understanding that publication in a peer reviewed journal is a very long process, often taking a year between

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-29 Thread David Roberson
and we can all celebrate. I hope the wait is not too long this time. Dave -Original Message- From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Mar 29, 2013 4:40 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded More rossi-sez : Brian March 29th

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-29 Thread Alan Fletcher
At 01:46 PM 3/29/2013, David Roberson wrote: I wish he would cease the nonsense about snakes, clowns and other irrelevant subjects. Since he got hooked on the publicity he would love to spill the beans, but can't because of patents, nda's and the like. So he spills it -- in response to

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rossi wrote: 1. Andrea Rossi March 25th, 2013 at 8:13 PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=791cpage=4#comment-664056 Dear Robert Tanhaus: 1- no, we revolutioned the technology separating the activation from the E-Cat, making 2 separated apparatuses in the same

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-26 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
What could mean a 2 stages eCat ? Is Rossi able to make different flavors of its magical powder ? One powder with low temp start but with slow kinetic (Low kW), called by Rossi the mouse One powder with high temp start but with fast kinetic (High kW), called by Rossi the cat This

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-26 Thread Roarty, Francis X
of the repeatability issues are due to a self destructive geometry that wears faster with output levels. Fran -Original Message- From: Arnaud Kodeck [mailto:arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:41 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira: Do you know who Prometeon is? (The organization that issued this announcement.) Did they do the tests? Will they issue a report? Akira Shirakawa wrote: Prometon s.r.l issued a related press release (in Italian): http://www.22passi.it/downloads/Comunicato_stampa_Prometeon_25_3_2013.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-26 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 03/26/2013 03:50 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Akira: Do you know who Prometeon is? (The organization that issued this announcement.) Did they do the tests? Will they issue a report? They are the sole authorized E-Cat reseller/licensee for Italy I don't know if they will issue reports. Apparently

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-26 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
-Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] Sent: mardi 26 mars 2013 15:47 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded Arnaud, He might be zeroing in on a method to prevent the self destruction but still get

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: They are the sole authorized E-Cat reseller/licensee for Italy I don't know if they will issue reports. Apparently they have made tests on working E-Cat devices over the past months but they are not related to the upcoming third party

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-26 Thread Alan Fletcher
At 10:20 AM 3/26/2013, Jed Rothwell wrote: Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: They are the sole authorized E-Cat reseller/licensee for Italy I don't know if they will issue reports. Apparently they have made tests on working E-Cat devices over the past months but they are not

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-26 Thread Axil Axil
controls subtlety each NAE. Arnaud -Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] Sent: mardi 26 mars 2013 15:47 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded Arnaud, He might be zeroing

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: The prometheon release just sounded like a rehash of ROSSI'S ANNOUNCEMENT. I didn't see anything new. I assume that Rossi and Prometheon are working together, and coordinating, so naturally they say the same thing. You would not expect anything new. Or

[Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-25 Thread Harry Veeder
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=791#comments Andrea Rossi March 24th, 2013 at 10:53 PM DEAR GEORGEHANTS: YOUR COMMENT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE OPENS THE GATE FOR THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION: THE TESTS OF THE THIRD INDIPENDENT PARTY HAVE BEEN COMPLETED YESTERDAY. I DID NOT ATTEND,

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-25 Thread Peter Gluck
He takes risks. No report within 1 month, he will lose even his core fans. The report will be inconclusive and/or written by unknown professors even worse. BTW, have you noticed how silent is the ShutdownRossi site recently? Peter On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Harry Veeder

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-25 Thread Terry Blanton
” WE GOT EVIDENCE THAT THE ‘ EFFECT’ IS REAL BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT”. does not sound very encouraging in terms of CoP of the HCat. If it took this long to come to that conclusion, the performance must be low.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-25 Thread Daniel Rocha
I don't see any trouble with that 2013/3/25 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com ” WE GOT EVIDENCE THAT THE ‘ EFFECT’ IS REAL BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT”. does not sound very encouraging in terms of CoP of the HCat. If it took this long to come to that conclusion, the performance must be

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
I hope the output is at least as powerful as the two years of hot air expelled discussing it On Monday, March 25, 2013, Terry Blanton wrote: ” WE GOT EVIDENCE THAT THE ‘ EFFECT’ IS REAL BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT”. does not sound very encouraging in terms of CoP of the HCat. If it took

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-25 Thread Andre Blum
On 03/25/2013 09:35 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: ” WE GOT EVIDENCE THAT THE ‘ EFFECT’ IS REAL BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT”. does not sound very encouraging in terms of CoP of the HCat. If it took this long to come to that conclusion, the performance must be low. I don't share that conclusion.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: ” WE GOT EVIDENCE THAT THE ‘ EFFECT’ IS REAL BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT”. does not sound very encouraging in terms of CoP of the HCat. If it took this long to come to that conclusion, the performance must be low. I don't see why. In my experience, it takes

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-25 Thread James Bowery
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl wrote: First: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and all that. I hate that aphorism! I really hate it. Here is what Melich and I wrote about it, in response to the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-25 Thread a.ashfield
e-catworld has this update. UPDATE: Rossi reports that one of the testers told him: ” ” What we have seen is too important, must absolutely be published”. Also, in reference to the new design of the hot cat, he states: “Basically, we have no more a reactor or a cluster of reactors, but each

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Sagan's statement clearly places him in the pre-Enlightenment mode of natural science: A priest. Amen. Also the way he said millions and MIIONS. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-25 Thread Axil Axil
Rossi talks about charge. The activator could be a charge amplifier. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 12:27 PM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote: e-catworld has this update. UPDATE: Rossi reports that one of the testers told him: ” ” What we have seen is too important, must absolutely be

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-25 Thread Harry Veeder
Sometimes, I think Rossi is like the beggar in this Hanukkah story of Bone Button Borscht. You can listen to the story here. http://www.cbc.ca/video/news/audioplayer.html?clipid=2178798097 It starts at the 5:30 mark. Harry

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-25 Thread David Roberson
third party tests concluded ” WE GOT EVIDENCE THAT THE ‘ EFFECT’ IS REAL BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT”. does not sound very encouraging in terms of CoP of the HCat. If it took this long to come to that conclusion, the performance must be low.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-25 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 1:10 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I does sound that way doesn't it? Anyone want to make a guess as to what the report will say? I will start with a COP of 4. 13.72 (◕‿◕)

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
I make no predictions about the specifics of this report. But I do predict three things: 1. It will be positive, as he claims. What possible benefit would he derive from lying about this? As soon as the report comes out people would see he is lying. 2. It will be published sooner or later.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-25 Thread Harry Veeder
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 3:37 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: He takes risks. No report within 1 month, he will lose even his core fans. The report will be inconclusive and/or written by unknown professors even worse. BTW, have you noticed how silent is the ShutdownRossi site

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck apparently wrote: He takes risks. No report within 1 month, he will lose even his core fans. The report will be inconclusive and/or written by unknown professors even worse. I didn't get that message. I am not sure who the core fans would be. I guess all these people who

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-25 Thread Peter Gluck
As 22 passi writes, if this is false (or made up) this will be proof of crazyness. There are some limits to everything. My worries are about the quality of the report. Peter On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Peter Gluck apparently wrote: He takes

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: As 22 passi writes, if this is false (or made up) this will be proof of crazyness. There are some limits to everything. Good point. I guess it is one thing to announce vague grand plans to make 200,000 reactors a year. No one takes the grand plans

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-25 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2013-03-25 08:01, Harry Veeder wrote: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=791#comments Andrea Rossi March 24th, 2013 at 10:53 PM Prometon s.r.l issued a related press release (in Italian): http://www.22passi.it/downloads/Comunicato_stampa_Prometeon_25_3_2013.pdf Cheers, S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-25 Thread Craig
On 03/25/2013 08:07 PM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Prometon s.r.l issued a related press release (in Italian): http://www.22passi.it/downloads/Comunicato_stampa_Prometeon_25_3_2013.pdf Here's the Google translation: BOLOGNA. Completed the day before the test VALIDATION and the Hot Cat by

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

2013-03-25 Thread a.ashfield
Axil, It looks like my speculation may be right. Rossi writes: 1. Andrea Rossi March 25th, 2013 at 8:13 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=791cpage=4#comment-664056 Dear Robert Tanhaus: 1- no, we revolutioned the technology separating the activation from the