Steve, Frank et al.
Speaking of this incident i.e.
Charles called the incident a meltdown. I'm not quite
sure why he labeled it as such. The hole in the concrete
floor was 30cm wide by 10cm deep. Somebody want to tell me
that the concrete *melted*? I don't think so.
That is an extremely
Did FP ever tell what was so special about their Palladium? These people know:
http://www.matthey.com/
but they weren't talking either last time I heard. They add Antimony per Sparber's conjecture?
Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How much effort does that warrant?
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo!
At 07:25 am 28-02-05 -0800, Jones wrote:
Steve, Frank et al.
Speaking of this incident i.e.
Charles called the incident a meltdown. I'm not quite
sure why he labeled it as such. The hole in the concrete
floor was 30cm wide by 10cm deep. Somebody want to tell me
that the concrete
Steve,
Good food for thought Jones.
Then how about a cube of Pd ...out in the desert ... video
cameras rolling
...seismologists given advance warning?
Make that a cube of Pd-Sb-Cl instead of Pd, some LN to
cryo-temper the cube with (kind of like the pastis or
Pernod ritual, Fred presiding)
Title: Re: a cause celebre?
Toast? no I don't think so.
The Russians slapped Amercians in the face by putting a satellite and a man in orbit first.
Harry
RC Macaulay at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Short but to the point.. Storms put it in context... If China get CF before we do, we are toast
Vince Cockeram wrote:
Well, I don't know how much good it will do but here is a copy I sent
to the DOE this morning.
I think it would be more effective to contact newspapers, bloggers and
other people in the media, rather than contacting the DoE directly.
I was going to mention here that a
Harry Veeder wrote:
Toast? no I don't think
so.
The Russians slapped Amercians in the face by putting a satellite and a
man in orbit first.
Good point.
People wishing to play up this angle of the story -- in a message to
someone in the media, for example -- should mention that cold fusion was
RC Macaulay wrote:
I will need the name of the University working with Mel.
University of La Verne
http://www.ulv.edu/
He is teaching there.
- Jed
At 06:10 pm 26-02-05 -0500, Jed wrote:
A mainstream CF researcher asked Ed Storms and I to
tone down or remove the Manifesto we posted on Thursday,
THE DOE LIES! I asked Mel Miles whether he thinks it
is over the top. He replied with a very depressing message.
He says he understands why
Dear Frank,
I totally agree with you. The time for being nice has past. The DOE
has shown gross dishonesty and the energy situation is getting out of
hand. The Manifesto is just the start. With a little luck and enough
effort, we hope to get the public concerned. However, I have no
Jed wrote:
Because he said he will probably retire. He is giving up.
He has been trying for years to get funding. He even
thought of going to China. I shot back an answer saying
Wait! I will do my best to help. The other readers here
should pitch in, and tell Mel Miles you stand with him.
Michael Foster writes:
Would you care to tell us how much money would constitute
funding for Mel Miles? When you know what your goal is
it's usually easier to reach.
Good question. I have no idea. I have copied this response to Miles.
Perhaps part of the goal here is to get official money
If Mel does get an experiment going, it might attract more attention than most
CF research does. Suppose he is funded after a well-publicized battle, partly
because a half-dozen reporters publish his story. Six months later, we call
those reporters back and say, guess what, it worked. My guess
Frank writes:
You wrote I asked Mel Miles whether he thinks it
is over the top. Goodness me! You sound like
Ned Flanders. All credit to Mel Miles for his
gutsey reply. Why on earth did it depress you.
I can't answer for Ed or Jed, but it depresses me because
it's a sign of desperation and
Keith Nagel wrote:
Frank writes:
You wrote I asked Mel Miles whether he thinks it
is over the top. Goodness me! You sound like
Ned Flanders. All credit to Mel Miles for his
gutsey reply. Why on earth did it depress you.
I can't answer for Ed or Jed, but it depresses me because
it's a sign of
Hi Ed,
you write:
Granted this is a sign of failure. However, we are not using fear,
only embarrassment, at least with respect to the DOE. The population
needs to realize the advantages of CF. The fear only comes if the
advantages are ignored, in the same manner death comes if the
At 02:28 pm 27-02-05 -0500, Jed wrote:
Frank Grimer writes:
I have a suggestion - but you will probably find it far
too Machiavellian. I believe, and I speak from real life
experience, that the best way to get people's attention
is to scare the shit out of them.
I could frighten
A defeatist attitude insures only one thing .. defeat.
A short story follows.. a few years back, at the
national Weftec conference we had a booth exhibiting our product line. At the
time Vivendi-US Filterof France was the king of the hill in water treating
equipment manufacturing.
Gosh! Keith.. Grimer has me in here because I'm crazy,
not stupid. Going to Houston doesn't mean sticking my head in Exxon's mouth. The
idea is to approach money for " seed " money. Foundations love to" participate"
NOT carry the bucket.
Besides, you fudged on the pic of the girl.. she's
RC Macaulay wrote:
Suggestion,, the University may be challenged to match funds pledged by
private business interests for the
advancement of science.
As I said, Miles needs the cooperation of the government, not only for the
money, but for materials from the Navy.
- Jed
--- Grimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's no good saying the development of small CF
bombs is unlikely. Until we know why and how cold
fusion works we are only guessing as to what's
likely and what ain't.
On the contrary, consider the hypothetical situation
that the reason the DoE won't
Frank,
You want press attention?
I'll give you press attention.
Start a research program to develop a CF bomb with the
avowed intention of saving America by getting there
before the terrorists do. You will get all the press
attention you can handle - and then some. Probably
get quite a lot of
Because he said he will probably retire. He is giving up. He has been
trying for years to get funding. He even thought of going to China. I shot
back an answer saying Wait! I will do my best to help. The other readers
here should pitch in, and tell Mel Miles you stand with him.
- Jed
Jed,
I
At 05:18 pm 27-02-05 -0800, you wrote:
Frank,
You want press attention?
I'll give you press attention.
Start a research program to develop a CF bomb with the
avowed intention of saving America by getting there
before the terrorists do. You will get all the press
attention you can handle
Jed,
Just a thought .. it may be more strategic to posture DOE as acting more
ridiculously rather than unfairly.
Steve
to make this a
cause celebre. Perhaps this time the public will see that the opposition has
gone too far. Ed I are trying to stir up the public with out bold red
headline, but so far the response has been lukewarm. 150 copies of the
Manifesto have been downloaded.
I am not sure what we should do
Jed,
There is a lot of research money out there in the " non
profit foundation sector".
Interesting in they are looking at " matching"
grants. Find a few bucks that some private industry groups will pledge and
the foundations will match or sometimes provide up to 5:1 or 10:1 matching. They
deductible donations for their non
profit efforts.
-ak-
[Original Message]
From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2/26/2005 3:11:02 PM
Subject: A cause celebre?
A mainstream CF researcher asked Ed Storms and I to tone down or remove
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