Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Eric Walker]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Stephen Cooke 
wrote:

If Kaons are produced in these devices it's astonishing to imagine a local
> low energy source generating the same conditions to spawn Phi Mesons from
> nucleons, as the high energy cyclotrons used by DAPhiNE and TRIUMF.
>

One begins to suspect it's implausible.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Stephen Cooke]

The meson that contains strange and anti strange quark only is the Phi meson. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phi_meson

It's interesting that in order to generate Kaons in nuclear physics apparatus 
such as TRIUMF and DAPhiNE the use high energy sources of 500MeV protons in 
collisions with nucleons at particular nucleon resonances. DAPhiNE seems to be 
a particularly efficient Kaon factory from its name I suppose it is generating 
Phi Mesons, which decay to the Kaons.

If Kaons are produced in these devices it's astonishing to imagine a local low 
energy source generating the same conditions to spawn Phi Mesons from nucleons, 
as the high energy cyclotrons used by DAPhiNE and TRIUMF.


> On 26 okt. 2015, at 17:57, Stephen Cooke  wrote:
> 
> Yup I agree with you Axil although I am no expert on these matters I also 
> don't know of anyway they could be generated from the protons. I will be 
> interested if someone has an explanation for that. 
> 
> Just to expand on the strange quark pair generation idea: 
> 
> This is why I was wondering that if sufficient energy is applied if a strange 
> anti strange quark pair can be manifested. If so quarks do not exist in 
> isolation so they would normally need to be contained in a meson. Unlike Pion 
> 0 which contain + and  - up quarks or + and - down quarks I do not see such a 
> meson for just + and - Strange quarks. (Does any one know if one exists)?
> 
> There are a few other Mesons however might be applicable. These are the eta 
> meson, the eta prime meson, the short K 0 and the long K 0. All these Mesons 
> are neutral and are their own anti particle. All these Mesons contain strange 
> mixed up combination of + and - pairs of quarks the eta contain Up, Down and 
> Strange quarks, the short and long K0 contain Down and Strange quarks. I'm 
> not exactly what they mean in physical terms. The eta and eta prime Mesons 
> are heavier than the Kaons and have very short half lives. The short kaon 
> also has a short half life. The long Kaon however has a longer half life of 
> 51 ns.
> 
> (The strange combinations of quarks in eta and K0 mesons can be found in the 
> Meson list in this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mesons)
> 
> Since K0 short and Long are their own anti particle I wonder if they can be 
> generated individually at lower energy than required for + - Meson pairs i.e 
> 497 MeV for K0 long rather than 996 MeV for +/- Kaon pairs. 
> 
> I should say that if this process is to work either it would need to be 
> contained with in the nuclei. For particles the mass of Kaons this implies 
> quite heavy Nuclei otherwise the energy would exceed the nucleus binding 
> energy, for +/- K pairs it would imply nuclei heavier than Antimony are 
> required (perhaps Pt if available would full fill this) for a single K 0 to 
> form this would imply a nucleus of heavier than Nickel. I suppose one could 
> imagine a resonant or entangled process where the energy was raised and 
> distributed across several nuclei, thereby liberating Kaons from all the 
> nuclei at the same time.
> 
> If heavy nucleons are available in Holmlids experiment this could lead to a 
> test of the idea by removing elements heavier than Nickel if we stopped 
> seeing Kaons (and maybe only see pions onwards), it could demonstrate that 
> maybe this process was in action.
> 
> HOWEVER:
> 
> *** If I understand correctly there are no sufficiently heavy elements 
> available in Holmlids experiment for Kaons to form this way? If I remember 
> right there are no elements heavier than Nickel listed? The catalyst I think 
> only contains Potassium, Iron and Oxygen. Is the is correct? If so it implies 
> another process must take place. ***
> 
> I think in the current consensus this leaves effectively two possibilities: 
> 
> 1. Concurrent Nucleon disintegration or annihilation with the production of 
> particles also including strange quarks, if so an explanation is needed as to 
> how down quarks can change to strange quarks for example. 
> 
> 2. Axil's SPP Analogue black hole Hadron evaporation. It will be amazing if 
> it can work that way, i wonder if there is a particular absolute proof way to 
> observe that , such as actually observing an form SPP and seeing Kaons come 
> directly as a result of it? I suppose we will have to wait for new high tech 
> equipment to see that.
> 
> But maybe there is another mechanism too. (Hopefully not involving any 
> Gorillas ;) )
> 
> It is interesting that this test it may give us a window on CP violation too
> 
> 
> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:42:22 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT
> From: janap...@gmail.com
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> 
> I don't understand how 

RE: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Stephen Cooke]

With regard the above post about possible Meson interactions with Nuclei, 
assuming Mesons are present without fixing on a particular mechanism and in 
case it is interesting here are small number of the relevant links (there are 
many many more to be found):
http://nuclphys.sinp.msu.ru/books/b/Feshbach/10%20Pion%20and%20Kaon%20interections%20with%20nuclei.pdf
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0370269301015039
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/236346244_Low_energy_kaon-nuclei_interaction_studies_through_the__00_channel_with_the_KLOE_detector
http://ptp.oxfordjournals.org/content/108/5/917.full.pdf

http://homepage.univie.ac.at/reinhold.bertlmann/pdfs/dipl_diss/CarlaSchuler_BA_v2.pdf
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1742-6596/349/1/012003/pdf
http://www.actaphys.uj.edu.pl/_old/vol27/pdf/v27p2993.pdf
https://indico.fnal.gov/getFile.py/access?contribId=160&sessionId=15&resId=0&materialId=slides&confId=8903
   (interesting Neutrino interactions)





From: stephen_coo...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 16:21:52 +0100
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

There is another possibility:
Photogeneration of mesons from nuclei, I have a suspicion this might be what 
Holmlid believes is occurring I the UDD. Interestingly this effect is caused by 
exciting a nucleon resonance for example the Delta resonance which effectively 
"opens the door" for meson (pion in this case) generation. Interestingly it 
also works with light nuclei such as He, D and T so is not limited by the 
binding energy, probably this is due to the energy coming directly from high 
MeV photon stimulation of the nucleon rather than excitation and de-excitation 
of the nucleus.
I can't help wondering if in the absence of this photon source there can be a 
kind of coupling between a nucleon resonant state and the nucleus excitation 
state of similar Energy, spin and polarity.
It is astonishing the amount of information, theory and experimentation 
projects and data there is on the internet regarding Kaon and Pion generation 
and their interaction with nuclei. It's been investigated massively in the 
past. If Kaons and Pions are in fact seen in Holmlid's experiment and Possibly 
other LENR devices it could well be worth reviewing them.
Well I guess I have a lot to read now and try to understand.



On 28 Oct 2015, at 01:05, Eric Walker  wrote:

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Stephen Cooke  
wrote:
The alternatives are also hard to explain, however:

There is another alternative you didn't mention -- Holmlid has a fertile 
imagination and is confused and needs to pull in someone who knows how to 
measure charged particle radiation.
Eric

  

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Stephen Cooke]

There is another possibility:

Photogeneration of mesons from nuclei, I have a suspicion this might be what 
Holmlid believes is occurring I the UDD. Interestingly this effect is caused by 
exciting a nucleon resonance for example the Delta resonance which effectively 
"opens the door" for meson (pion in this case) generation. Interestingly it 
also works with light nuclei such as He, D and T so is not limited by the 
binding energy, probably this is due to the energy coming directly from high 
MeV photon stimulation of the nucleon rather than excitation and de-excitation 
of the nucleus.

I can't help wondering if in the absence of this photon source there can be a 
kind of coupling between a nucleon resonant state and the nucleus excitation 
state of similar Energy, spin and polarity.

It is astonishing the amount of information, theory and experimentation 
projects and data there is on the internet regarding Kaon and Pion generation 
and their interaction with nuclei. It's been investigated massively in the 
past. If Kaons and Pions are in fact seen in Holmlid's experiment and Possibly 
other LENR devices it could well be worth reviewing them.

Well I guess I have a lot to read now and try to understand.



> On 28 Oct 2015, at 01:05, Eric Walker  wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Stephen Cooke  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The alternatives are also hard to explain, however:
> 
> There is another alternative you didn't mention -- Holmlid has a fertile 
> imagination and is confused and needs to pull in someone who knows how to 
> measure charged particle radiation.
> 
> Eric
> 

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Stephen Cooke]

Good point. That's very true too. Those people at the frontier of 
experimentation like Holmlid and putting together new knowledge in new and 
novel ways like yourself Axil are rare individual and way ahead of most of us. 
I agree we should not hold them back with the burden of external verification 
and should trust to some extent their expertise. Its up to others in time to 
learn test and validate and that additional external verification will come. 
Positive or negative when it comes we will always learn and gain something in 
the process.

I like the image of experts being generated out of a vacuum 😀.  Perhaps this is 
indeed the secret source of LERN get positive and negative experts generated in 
equal proportion and allow them  annihilate to in a big ball of energy? I can 
only imagine what quantities of experts are eventually produced by tachyons but 
if the positive ones are ejected into the world and the negative ones are 
trapped in a black hole and sent back in time so much the better 😉

> On 28 Oct 2015, at 02:19, Axil Axil  wrote:
> 
> I don't think that there are experts in particles created in condensed matter 
> physics. Holmlid is the first. We can't wait for experts to develop out of 
> the vacuum.
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Stephen Cooke  
>> wrote:
>> Yup with due respect to Holmlid who obviously has good well developed 
>> expertise in the field and years of experience and analysis behind him, we 
>> nevertheless cannot know for sure until other experts are brought in to 
>> witness and process the raw data and ideally the test is repeated 
>> independently. I'm fully with you there Eric. I hope we get that 
>> verification someday.
>> 
>>> On 28 okt. 2015, at 01:05, Eric Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Stephen Cooke 
  wrote:
 
 The alternatives are also hard to explain, however:
>>> 
>>> There is another alternative you didn't mention -- Holmlid has a fertile 
>>> imagination and is confused and needs to pull in someone who knows how to 
>>> measure charged particle radiation.
>>> 
>>> Eric
> 

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Axil Axil]

I don't think that there are experts in particles created in condensed
matter physics. Holmlid is the first. We can't wait for experts to develop
out of the vacuum.

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Stephen Cooke 
wrote:

> Yup with due respect to Holmlid who obviously has good well developed
> expertise in the field and years of experience and analysis behind him, we
> nevertheless cannot know for sure until other experts are brought in to
> witness and process the raw data and ideally the test is repeated
> independently. I'm fully with you there Eric. I hope we get that
> verification someday.
>
> On 28 okt. 2015, at 01:05, Eric Walker  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Stephen Cooke  > wrote:
>
> The alternatives are also hard to explain, however:
>>
>
> There is another alternative you didn't mention -- Holmlid has a fertile
> imagination and is confused and needs to pull in someone who knows how to
> measure charged particle radiation.
>
> Eric
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Stephen Cooke]

Yup with due respect to Holmlid who obviously has good well developed expertise 
in the field and years of experience and analysis behind him, we nevertheless 
cannot know for sure until other experts are brought in to witness and process 
the raw data and ideally the test is repeated independently. I'm fully with you 
there Eric. I hope we get that verification someday.

> On 28 okt. 2015, at 01:05, Eric Walker  wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Stephen Cooke  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The alternatives are also hard to explain, however:
> 
> There is another alternative you didn't mention -- Holmlid has a fertile 
> imagination and is confused and needs to pull in someone who knows how to 
> measure charged particle radiation.
> 
> Eric
> 

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Eric Walker]

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Stephen Cooke 
wrote:

The alternatives are also hard to explain, however:
>

There is another alternative you didn't mention -- Holmlid has a fertile
imagination and is confused and needs to pull in someone who knows how to
measure charged particle radiation.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Axil Axil]

LENR is topological in nature. Shapes are important rather than material.
Mills lists most of the periodic table as having catalytic activity.
Piantelli says the same thing about substrates. LENR converts light into
dipole motion. The catalysts produce nanoparticles dynamically. The gas
must be a dielectric, oxygen or chlorine may work well and so will water.
That's it.

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Stephen Cooke 
wrote:

> Not really, I'm more thinking about initially generating individual
> neutral mesons or +/- pairs from decay of highly excited nuclei, with no
> actual nucleon disintegration before some other kind of decay can occur,
> which might be almost as weird.
>
> What you are describing is a direct nucleon disintegration of a nucleon
> into mesons it is indeed hard to imagine a process how this can occur.
> Holmlid seems to be deciding something along those lines however, if I
> understand right. This is also problematic as he mentions that +/- Kaons
> are produced first that contain strange quarks these later decay to pions
> and so on. Strange quarks are heavier than up and down quarks so are
> unlikely to come from decay of those quarks, so we need to explain where
> the strange quarks come from.
>
> I do wonder if a long neutral Kaon which contains + and - strange and down
> quarks in an oscillating state could be generated from decay of
> sufficiently highly excited nuclei and that if these neutral Kaons
> containing strange quarks once produced can interact with nucleons
> sufficiently to lead to disruption of the a nucleon and generate the
> products seen in Holmlids experiment without a high energy impact.
>
> I also wonder if K0 interactions with nuclei have been observed in other
> devices including particle accelerators, these would be complicated by
> higher energy interactions however. I agree if they react to produce +/-
> Kaons and cause nucleon decay it would indeed be something amazing. But
> surely some kinds of experiments using K0 capture in nuclei have been
> performed at some point so if anything as strange as this occurs we should
> have evidence of it.
>
> The alternatives are also hard to explain, however:
>
> A random high energy perturbation outside nucleus some how generating the
> pions
>
> High energy impacts of light nuclei or mid weight nuclei might generate
> Mesons but then they would also likely generate neutrons, gammas and other
> fission products.
>
> Some amazing external force ripping apart the nucleons in deuterium into
> pions with out just over coming the inter nucleon binding energy and
> creating high energy protons and neutrons
>
> Tachyon disintegration, I'm still not fully up to speed on understanding
> the possibilities mentioned here about Tachyon disintegration, but Axil's
> insights have often been shown to potentially have an important part to
> play once we understand them, so maybe indeed that could be an alternative.
>
> There is another possibility in that the data is misinterpreted and mesons
> are not present, but here I am assuming that is not the case.
>
> On 27 okt. 2015, at 22:41, Eric Walker  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:28 AM, Stephen Cooke  > wrote:
>
> "*** If I understand correctly there are no sufficiently heavy elements
>> available in Holmlids experiment for Kaons to form this way? …"
>>
>> This is not strictly correct. [ ... snip ... ]
>>
> Ni 62 and Fe 58 would both therefore be sufficient for containing a K0
>> Meson 496 MeV
>> Fe 56 on the other hand would just fall short.
>>
>
> Note that what you seem to be describing is squeezing the 3+ quarks in
> each ~ of the 58 nucleons in a nickel nucleus into the quark and antiquark
> pair in the kaon.  Has anything so fantastic been accomplished in a
> particle accelerator?  (The number of quarks in a nucleon is complicated by
> the idea of "sea quarks".)
>
> Or, alternatively, your proposal appears to involve creating shrunken
> quarks that no longer have the mass that was given over to the kaon.
>  (Something some people here might be amenable to.)
>
> Eric
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Stephen Cooke]

Not really, I'm more thinking about initially generating individual neutral 
mesons or +/- pairs from decay of highly excited nuclei, with no actual nucleon 
disintegration before some other kind of decay can occur, which might be almost 
as weird. 

What you are describing is a direct nucleon disintegration of a nucleon into 
mesons it is indeed hard to imagine a process how this can occur. Holmlid seems 
to be deciding something along those lines however, if I understand right. This 
is also problematic as he mentions that +/- Kaons are produced first that 
contain strange quarks these later decay to pions and so on. Strange quarks are 
heavier than up and down quarks so are unlikely to come from decay of those 
quarks, so we need to explain where the strange quarks come from. 

I do wonder if a long neutral Kaon which contains + and - strange and down 
quarks in an oscillating state could be generated from decay of sufficiently 
highly excited nuclei and that if these neutral Kaons containing strange quarks 
once produced can interact with nucleons sufficiently to lead to disruption of 
the a nucleon and generate the products seen in Holmlids experiment without a 
high energy impact. 

I also wonder if K0 interactions with nuclei have been observed in other 
devices including particle accelerators, these would be complicated by higher 
energy interactions however. I agree if they react to produce +/- Kaons and 
cause nucleon decay it would indeed be something amazing. But surely some kinds 
of experiments using K0 capture in nuclei have been performed at some point so 
if anything as strange as this occurs we should have evidence of it.

The alternatives are also hard to explain, however:

A random high energy perturbation outside nucleus some how generating the pions 

High energy impacts of light nuclei or mid weight nuclei might generate Mesons 
but then they would also likely generate neutrons, gammas and other fission 
products. 

Some amazing external force ripping apart the nucleons in deuterium into pions 
with out just over coming the inter nucleon binding energy and creating high 
energy protons and neutrons 

Tachyon disintegration, I'm still not fully up to speed on understanding the 
possibilities mentioned here about Tachyon disintegration, but Axil's insights 
have often been shown to potentially have an important part to play once we 
understand them, so maybe indeed that could be an alternative.

There is another possibility in that the data is misinterpreted and mesons are 
not present, but here I am assuming that is not the case.

> On 27 okt. 2015, at 22:41, Eric Walker  wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:28 AM, Stephen Cooke  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> "*** If I understand correctly there are no sufficiently heavy elements 
>> available in Holmlids experiment for Kaons to form this way? …"
>> 
>> This is not strictly correct. [ ... snip ... ]
>> Ni 62 and Fe 58 would both therefore be sufficient for containing a K0 Meson 
>> 496 MeV
>> Fe 56 on the other hand would just fall short.
> 
> Note that what you seem to be describing is squeezing the 3+ quarks in each ~ 
> of the 58 nucleons in a nickel nucleus into the quark and antiquark pair in 
> the kaon.  Has anything so fantastic been accomplished in a particle 
> accelerator?  (The number of quarks in a nucleon is complicated by the idea 
> of "sea quarks".)
> 
> Or, alternatively, your proposal appears to involve creating shrunken quarks 
> that no longer have the mass that was given over to the kaon.  (Something 
> some people here might be amenable to.)
> 
> Eric
> 

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Eric Walker]

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:28 AM, Stephen Cooke 
wrote:

"*** If I understand correctly there are no sufficiently heavy elements
> available in Holmlids experiment for Kaons to form this way? …"
>
> This is not strictly correct. [ ... snip ... ]
>
Ni 62 and Fe 58 would both therefore be sufficient for containing a K0
> Meson 496 MeV
> Fe 56 on the other hand would just fall short.
>

Note that what you seem to be describing is squeezing the 3+ quarks in each
~ of the 58 nucleons in a nickel nucleus into the quark and antiquark pair
in the kaon.  Has anything so fantastic been accomplished in a particle
accelerator?  (The number of quarks in a nucleon is complicated by the idea
of "sea quarks".)

Or, alternatively, your proposal appears to involve creating shrunken
quarks that no longer have the mass that was given over to the kaon.
 (Something some people here might be amenable to.)

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Axil Axil]

CPT violation must occur to produce charge and real matter. The negative
energy partner is retained inside the tachyon. Only K mesons violate the
CPT symmetry.

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Stephen Cooke 
wrote:

> Assuming Kaons are generated within Ni 62 or Fe 58 Nuclei it still leads
> to some other questions:
>
> Why would less energetic particles such as neutral Pions or +/- Pion
> pairs not be produced from Nucleus first  before the Kaons are generated? This
> could be due to a couple of reasons:
>
> 1. If there is a resonance effect particular to values energies than 496
> MeV.
> 2. The energy of the Pions are not sufficient to tunnel through the
> potential well significantly in relationship to their half-life.
>
> Could Pions be produced in other lower energy system or through other
> elements?
>
> Although Pions are are a product of the Kaon decay, perhaps Pions can
> also be generated in lighter nuclei assuming 8 MeV per nucleon This would
> require nuclei heavier than the rest mass of the mesons produced. (I don't 
> know
> if reactions along these lines have ever been reported so I'm being
> speculative.)
>
> Pion 0 with 135 MeV: 135 / 8 = 16.8 nucleons. So a nucleus heavier than
> Oxygen, maybe Fluorine, Neon or Sodium (Note that if produced a Pion 0
> decays to 2 Gamma > 65 MeV after a very short half life)
>
> Pion +/- pair with  2 * 139 MeV: 139 * 2 / 8 = 34.75 nucleons. So a
> nucleus heavier than Sulphur, maybe Chlorine, Argon or Potassium for
> example?
>
> Is the Spin Parity state of the parent Nucleus important?
>
> Pions have 0 spin and Kaons Spin of +/- 1, I suppose that due to
> conservation laws, in order for a Nucleus to generate these Mesons from an
> excited state those nuclei would need to be even Nuclei with integer spin
> states such as Ni 62 or Fe 58. Nucleons with Odd nuclei such as Ni 61 would
> therefore not be able to spawn these Mesons. Is this correct or is it the
> case that if no nucleon is lost they can be generated from excited states
> in both Odd and Even nuclei?
>
> If LENR occurs and Pions are observed but not Kaons perhaps it occurs due
> to some process like this.
>
> What is the impact of slightly lighter nuclei with just insufficient
> binding energy to produce Mesons?
>
> I wonder what happens if a lighter nucleus with to little binding energy
> to form a Meson is in the mix could it have sufficiently high energy levels
> of the right quantum states to still resonate closely and interfere with
> the production of mesons form the other nuclei, by absorbing energy or
> interfering with the resonance that would otherwise be used in  the heavier
> nuclei for generation of the Mesons for example Oxygen in the case of
> Pion 0 production (perhaps desirable to reduce Pion 0 production) and
> Sulphur in the case of Pion +/- production (not desirable if +/- Pions are
> wanted). I suppose lighter isotopes would also have an effect such as Fe 56
> or light isotopes of Nickel in association with Fe 58 or Ni 62 in the case
> of Kaon production from Fe 58 or Ni 62. If the interfering nuclei
> decrease in proportion due to other effects of the LENR such a
> Muon assisted fusion or Nucleon decay or nucleon spallation due to the
> resonance, perhaps the Meson production becomes more efficient with time.
>
> If I recall correctly it has been mentioned somewhere on LENR Forum by
> ogfusionist I think that in some LENR fusion experiments Oxides can be
> beneficial to the reaction and Sulphur can be detrimental, could this be
> partly why? Oxides inhibiting Pion 0 production and therefore reducing risk
> of Gamma from its decay, Sulphur poisoning +/- Pion production? I
> appreciate he was probably indicating oxides were creating better NAE for
> fusion rather than considering pion production.
>
>
>
> --
> From: stephen_coo...@hotmail.com
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT
> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 13:53:16 +0100
>
>
> In answer to your original question Axil, could this be "why LENR produces
> Neutral Kaons"?
>
> 1. Nickel 62 or Iron 58 acts as a source of long life K0 through some kind
> of external stimulation to greater than 496 MeV, probably collective and
> entangled stimulation, possibly from lasers, Phonons, magnetic stimulation
> from SPP etc. (perhaps resonance of the Nucleus to particular quantum
> states is required for this?)
>
> 2. The long life low Kinetic Energy K0 mesons which are neutral have a
> half-life of 51 ns and contain a balanced combination of +/- strange and
> down quarks then maybe get absorbed by other nuclei including UDD and
> others.
>
> 3. The absorbed K0 in the nuclei inte

RE: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Stephen Cooke]

Assuming Kaons are generated within Ni 62 or Fe 58 Nuclei it still leads to 
some other questions:
Why would less energetic particles such as neutral Pions or +/- Pion pairs not 
be produced from Nucleus first  before the Kaons are generated? This could be 
due to a couple of reasons:
1. If there is a resonance effect particular to values energies than 496 MeV.2. 
The energy of the Pions are not sufficient to tunnel through the potential well 
significantly in relationship to their half-life.
Could Pions be produced in other lower energy system or through other elements?
Although Pions are are a product of the Kaon decay, perhaps Pions can also be 
generated in lighter nuclei assuming 8 MeV per nucleon This would require 
nuclei heavier than the rest mass of the mesons produced. (I don't know if 
reactions along these lines have ever been reported so I'm being speculative.)
Pion 0 with 135 MeV: 135 / 8 = 16.8 nucleons. So a nucleus heavier than Oxygen, 
maybe Fluorine, Neon or Sodium (Note that if produced a Pion 0 decays to 2 
Gamma > 65 MeV after a very short half life)
Pion +/- pair with  2 * 139 MeV: 139 * 2 / 8 = 34.75 nucleons. So a nucleus 
heavier than Sulphur, maybe Chlorine, Argon or Potassium for example?
Is the Spin Parity state of the parent Nucleus important?
Pions have 0 spin and Kaons Spin of +/- 1, I suppose that due to conservation 
laws, in order for a Nucleus to generate these Mesons from an excited state 
those nuclei would need to be even Nuclei with integer spin states such as Ni 
62 or Fe 58. Nucleons with Odd nuclei such as Ni 61 would therefore not be able 
to spawn these Mesons. Is this correct or is it the case that if no nucleon is 
lost they can be generated from excited states in both Odd and Even nuclei?
If LENR occurs and Pions are observed but not Kaons perhaps it occurs due to 
some process like this.
What is the impact of slightly lighter nuclei with just insufficient binding 
energy to produce Mesons?
I wonder what happens if a lighter nucleus with to little binding energy to 
form a Meson is in the mix could it have sufficiently high energy levels of the 
right quantum states to still resonate closely and interfere with the 
production of mesons form the other nuclei, by absorbing energy or interfering 
with the resonance that would otherwise be used in  the heavier nuclei for 
generation of the Mesons for example Oxygen in the case of Pion 0 production 
(perhaps desirable to reduce Pion 0 production) and Sulphur in the case of Pion 
+/- production (not desirable if +/- Pions are wanted). I suppose lighter 
isotopes would also have an effect such as Fe 56 or light isotopes of Nickel in 
association with Fe 58 or Ni 62 in the case of Kaon production from Fe 58 or Ni 
62. If the interfering nuclei decrease in proportion due to other effects of 
the LENR such a Muon assisted fusion or Nucleon decay or nucleon spallation due 
to the resonance, perhaps the Meson production becomes more efficient with time.
If I recall correctly it has been mentioned somewhere on LENR Forum by 
ogfusionist I think that in some LENR fusion experiments Oxides can be 
beneficial to the reaction and Sulphur can be detrimental, could this be partly 
why? Oxides inhibiting Pion 0 production and therefore reducing risk of Gamma 
from its decay, Sulphur poisoning +/- Pion production? I appreciate he was 
probably indicating oxides were creating better NAE for fusion rather than 
considering pion production.


From: stephen_coo...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 13:53:16 +0100




In answer to your original question Axil, could this be "why LENR produces 
Neutral Kaons"?
1. Nickel 62 or Iron 58 acts as a source of long life K0 through some kind of 
external stimulation to greater than 496 MeV, probably collective and entangled 
stimulation, possibly from lasers, Phonons, magnetic stimulation from SPP etc. 
(perhaps resonance of the Nucleus to particular quantum states is required for 
this?)
2. The long life low Kinetic Energy K0 mesons which are neutral have a 
half-life of 51 ns and contain a balanced combination of +/- strange and down 
quarks then maybe get absorbed by other nuclei including UDD and others.
3. The absorbed K0 in the nuclei interaction with other nucleons in the Nuclei 
possible changing their type or leading to Nucleon disintegration and 
generation +/- Kaons including the original s quarks from the K0? Can this 
happen? Has this kind of behaviour ever been observed with K0 interactions with 
Nuclie in other experiments?
4. Meson generation from the decay of +/- Kaons and 0 Kaons and further decay 
chain through muons to electrons as described by Holmlid
5. Meson or Muon mediated fusion in Kaonic, Pionic or Muonic Atoms and Nucleon 
disintegration giving enough energy to stimulate a source (phonon or SPP) to 
allow further K0 production in Ni. 
The initial source to st

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Axil Axil]

Meson or Muon mediated fusion in Kaonic, Pionic or Muonic Atoms and
> Nucleon disintegration giving enough energy to stimulate a source (phonon
> or SPP) to allow further K0 production in Ni.
>
> The initial source to stimulate the original K0 would need to be accounted
> for.
> When we have the Laser could it stimulate this?
> Without the laser would SPP perhaps present in the UDD or phonon
> stimulation be able to stimulate a resonance to 496 MeV in the Fe58 or Ni62
> Nuclei?
>
> If neutral Kaons are generated from Ni62 and Ni58 how do we account for
> LENR in Pd and Pt systems? Would we need Fe and Ni contaminants or would
> some Kaons still be generated and tunnel in these nuclei? Or could they be
> generated but interact with the nucleons within their parent nuclei, and
> cause nucleon disintegration and generate +/- K and locally.
>
> Just some thoughts probably there are still holes in the idea.
>
>
>
> --
> From: stephen_coo...@hotmail.com
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT
> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:28:54 +0100
>
>
> Regarding my earlier Comments :
>
> " for a single K 0 to form this would imply a nucleus of heavier than
> Nickel…."
>
> "*** If I understand correctly there are no sufficiently heavy elements
> available in Holmlids experiment for Kaons to form this way? …"
>
> This is not strictly correct.
>
> Something new and potentially significant has come up:
>
> In fact Nickel 62 and Iron 56 and 58 have higher binding energy per
> nucleon than average about 8.79 MeV per nucleon. (I was previously assuming
> average natural mass numbers and 8 MeV per Nucleon)
>
> Ni 62 binding energy = 62 * 8.7945 = 545 MeV
> Fe 58 binding energy = 58 * 8.7922 = 509 MeV
> Fe 56 binding energy = 56 * 8.7903 = 492 MeV
>
> Ni 62 and Fe 58 would both therefore be sufficient for containing a K0
> Meson 496 MeV
> Fe 56 on the other hand would just fall short.
>
> Fe is present in Holmlids experiment as part of the catalyst to form UDD.
>
> Ni is also present in Holmlids experiment as the target for the laser.
>
> This could be very important since the energy of the K0 is very close to
> the maximum binding energy, it should be relatively easy to quantum tunnel
> out of the nucleus within its half life.
>
> Could the Ni62 in the target (and maybe Fe58) be acting as a source of K0
> long mesons that then interact with other nuclei in particular the UDD.
>
> Note like neutrons K0 long have neutral charge so could easily be absorbed
> by other nuclei, but also have a half-life of about 51 ns before decaying
> to pions .
>
> These K0 could potentially interact with low energy impacts with any other
> as well as the UDD, potentially leading nucleon changes or disintegration
> in those nuclei.
>
> Perhaps the energy released in these K0 interaction and/or associate muon
> or meson assisted fusion is sufficient to stimulate further K0 production
> in other Ni62 or Fe58 Nuclei.
>
>
>
> --
> From: stephen_coo...@hotmail.com
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT
> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:56:52 +0100
>
> Yup I agree with you Axil although I am no expert on these matters I also
> don't know of anyway they could be generated from the protons. I will be
> interested if someone has an explanation for that.
>
> Just to expand on the strange quark pair generation idea:
>
> This is why I was wondering that if sufficient energy is applied if a
> strange anti strange quark pair can be manifested. If so quarks do not
> exist in isolation so they would normally need to be contained in a meson.
> Unlike Pion 0 which contain + and  - up quarks or + and - down quarks I do
> not see such a meson for just + and - Strange quarks. (Does any one know if
> one exists)?
>
> There are a few other Mesons however might be applicable. These are the
> eta meson, the eta prime meson, the short K 0 and the long K 0. All these
> Mesons are neutral and are their own anti particle. All these Mesons
> contain strange mixed up combination of + and - pairs of quarks the eta
> contain Up, Down and Strange quarks, the short and long K0 contain Down and
> Strange quarks. I'm not exactly what they mean in physical terms. The eta
> and eta prime Mesons are heavier than the Kaons and have very short half
> lives. The short kaon also has a short half life. The long Kaon however has
> a longer half life of 51 ns.
>
> (The strange combinations of quarks in eta and K0 mesons can be found in
> the Meson list in this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mesons)
>
> Since K0 short 

RE: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Stephen Cooke]

In answer to your original question Axil, could this be "why LENR produces 
Neutral Kaons"?
1. Nickel 62 or Iron 58 acts as a source of long life K0 through some kind of 
external stimulation to greater than 496 MeV, probably collective and entangled 
stimulation, possibly from lasers, Phonons, magnetic stimulation from SPP etc. 
(perhaps resonance of the Nucleus to particular quantum states is required for 
this?)
2. The long life low Kinetic Energy K0 mesons which are neutral have a 
half-life of 51 ns and contain a balanced combination of +/- strange and down 
quarks then maybe get absorbed by other nuclei including UDD and others.
3. The absorbed K0 in the nuclei interaction with other nucleons in the Nuclei 
possible changing their type or leading to Nucleon disintegration and 
generation +/- Kaons including the original s quarks from the K0? Can this 
happen? Has this kind of behaviour ever been observed with K0 interactions with 
Nuclie in other experiments?
4. Meson generation from the decay of +/- Kaons and 0 Kaons and further decay 
chain through muons to electrons as described by Holmlid
5. Meson or Muon mediated fusion in Kaonic, Pionic or Muonic Atoms and Nucleon 
disintegration giving enough energy to stimulate a source (phonon or SPP) to 
allow further K0 production in Ni. 
The initial source to stimulate the original K0 would need to be accounted for. 
When we have the Laser could it stimulate this?Without the laser would SPP 
perhaps present in the UDD or phonon stimulation be able to stimulate a 
resonance to 496 MeV in the Fe58 or Ni62 Nuclei?
If neutral Kaons are generated from Ni62 and Ni58 how do we account for LENR in 
Pd and Pt systems? Would we need Fe and Ni contaminants or would some Kaons 
still be generated and tunnel in these nuclei? Or could they be generated but 
interact with the nucleons within their parent nuclei, and cause nucleon 
disintegration and generate +/- K and locally.
Just some thoughts probably there are still holes in the idea.


From: stephen_coo...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:28:54 +0100




Regarding my earlier Comments :
" for a single K 0 to form this would imply a nucleus of heavier than Nickel…."
"*** If I understand correctly there are no sufficiently heavy elements 
available in Holmlids experiment for Kaons to form this way? …"
This is not strictly correct.
Something new and potentially significant has come up:
In fact Nickel 62 and Iron 56 and 58 have higher binding energy per nucleon 
than average about 8.79 MeV per nucleon. (I was previously assuming average 
natural mass numbers and 8 MeV per Nucleon)
Ni 62 binding energy = 62 * 8.7945 = 545 MeVFe 58 binding energy = 58 * 8.7922 
= 509 MeVFe 56 binding energy = 56 * 8.7903 = 492 MeV
Ni 62 and Fe 58 would both therefore be sufficient for containing a K0 Meson 
496 MeVFe 56 on the other hand would just fall short.
Fe is present in Holmlids experiment as part of the catalyst to form UDD.
Ni is also present in Holmlids experiment as the target for the laser.
This could be very important since the energy of the K0 is very close to the 
maximum binding energy, it should be relatively easy to quantum tunnel out of 
the nucleus within its half life. 
Could the Ni62 in the target (and maybe Fe58) be acting as a source of K0 long 
mesons that then interact with other nuclei in particular the UDD.
Note like neutrons K0 long have neutral charge so could easily be absorbed by 
other nuclei, but also have a half-life of about 51 ns before decaying to pions 
.
These K0 could potentially interact with low energy impacts with any other as 
well as the UDD, potentially leading nucleon changes or disintegration in those 
nuclei. 
Perhaps the energy released in these K0 interaction and/or associate muon or 
meson assisted fusion is sufficient to stimulate further K0 production in other 
Ni62 or Fe58 Nuclei.


From: stephen_coo...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:56:52 +0100




Yup I agree with you Axil although I am no expert on these matters I also don't 
know of anyway they could be generated from the protons. I will be interested 
if someone has an explanation for that. 
Just to expand on the strange quark pair generation idea: 

This is why I was wondering that if sufficient energy is applied if a strange 
anti strange quark pair can be manifested. If so quarks do not exist in 
isolation so they would normally need to be contained in a meson. Unlike Pion 0 
which contain + and  - up quarks or + and - down quarks I do not see such a 
meson for just + and - Strange quarks. (Does any one know if one exists)?
There are a few other Mesons however might be applicable. These are the eta 
meson, the eta prime meson, the short K 0 and the long K 0. All these Mesons 
are neutral and are their own anti particle. All the

RE: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Stephen Cooke]

Regarding my earlier Comments :
" for a single K 0 to form this would imply a nucleus of heavier than Nickel…."
"*** If I understand correctly there are no sufficiently heavy elements 
available in Holmlids experiment for Kaons to form this way? …"
This is not strictly correct.
Something new and potentially significant has come up:
In fact Nickel 62 and Iron 56 and 58 have higher binding energy per nucleon 
than average about 8.79 MeV per nucleon. (I was previously assuming average 
natural mass numbers and 8 MeV per Nucleon)
Ni 62 binding energy = 62 * 8.7945 = 545 MeVFe 58 binding energy = 58 * 8.7922 
= 509 MeVFe 56 binding energy = 56 * 8.7903 = 492 MeV
Ni 62 and Fe 58 would both therefore be sufficient for containing a K0 Meson 
496 MeVFe 56 on the other hand would just fall short.
Fe is present in Holmlids experiment as part of the catalyst to form UDD.
Ni is also present in Holmlids experiment as the target for the laser.
This could be very important since the energy of the K0 is very close to the 
maximum binding energy, it should be relatively easy to quantum tunnel out of 
the nucleus within its half life. 
Could the Ni62 in the target (and maybe Fe58) be acting as a source of K0 long 
mesons that then interact with other nuclei in particular the UDD.
Note like neutrons K0 long have neutral charge so could easily be absorbed by 
other nuclei, but also have a half-life of about 51 ns before decaying to pions 
.
These K0 could potentially interact with low energy impacts with any other as 
well as the UDD, potentially leading nucleon changes or disintegration in those 
nuclei. 
Perhaps the energy released in these K0 interaction and/or associate muon or 
meson assisted fusion is sufficient to stimulate further K0 production in other 
Ni62 or Fe58 Nuclei.


From: stephen_coo...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:56:52 +0100




Yup I agree with you Axil although I am no expert on these matters I also don't 
know of anyway they could be generated from the protons. I will be interested 
if someone has an explanation for that. 
Just to expand on the strange quark pair generation idea: 

This is why I was wondering that if sufficient energy is applied if a strange 
anti strange quark pair can be manifested. If so quarks do not exist in 
isolation so they would normally need to be contained in a meson. Unlike Pion 0 
which contain + and  - up quarks or + and - down quarks I do not see such a 
meson for just + and - Strange quarks. (Does any one know if one exists)?
There are a few other Mesons however might be applicable. These are the eta 
meson, the eta prime meson, the short K 0 and the long K 0. All these Mesons 
are neutral and are their own anti particle. All these Mesons contain strange 
mixed up combination of + and - pairs of quarks the eta contain Up, Down and 
Strange quarks, the short and long K0 contain Down and Strange quarks. I'm not 
exactly what they mean in physical terms. The eta and eta prime Mesons are 
heavier than the Kaons and have very short half lives. The short kaon also has 
a short half life. The long Kaon however has a longer half life of 51 ns.
(The strange combinations of quarks in eta and K0 mesons can be found in the 
Meson list in this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mesons)
Since K0 short and Long are their own anti particle I wonder if they can be 
generated individually at lower energy than required for + - Meson pairs i.e 
497 MeV for K0 long rather than 996 MeV for +/- Kaon pairs. 
I should say that if this process is to work either it would need to be 
contained with in the nuclei. For particles the mass of Kaons this implies 
quite heavy Nuclei otherwise the energy would exceed the nucleus binding 
energy, for +/- K pairs it would imply nuclei heavier than Antimony are 
required (perhaps Pt if available would full fill this) for a single K 0 to 
form this would imply a nucleus of heavier than Nickel. I suppose one could 
imagine a resonant or entangled process where the energy was raised and 
distributed across several nuclei, thereby liberating Kaons from all the nuclei 
at the same time.
If heavy nucleons are available in Holmlids experiment this could lead to a 
test of the idea by removing elements heavier than Nickel if we stopped seeing 
Kaons (and maybe only see pions onwards), it could demonstrate that maybe this 
process was in action.
HOWEVER:
*** If I understand correctly there are no sufficiently heavy elements 
available in Holmlids experiment for Kaons to form this way? If I remember 
right there are no elements heavier than Nickel listed? The catalyst I think 
only contains Potassium, Iron and Oxygen. Is the is correct? If so it implies 
another process must take place. ***
I think in the current consensus this leaves effectively two possibilities: 
1. Concurrent Nucleon disintegration or annihilation with the production of 
pa

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Axil Axil]

When 10 billion kaons are produced simultaneously and instantly after
photons from a laser arrives, how does the kaon formation process know to
break up the arriving energy into kaon sized chunks. It seems that this
creation process is the inverse of the gamma absorption process.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
> I think that it is but is is being sent backward in time.
>>
>
> Positrons?  Sounds dangerous.
>
> Eric
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Eric Walker]

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

I think that it is but is is being sent backward in time.
>

Positrons?  Sounds dangerous.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[David Roberson]

How true!  At one time Rossi was offering hints that could actually be tested 
in some manner.  My thermal model using his PWM leaks would actually suggest a 
decent COP could be produced with the right engineering.   Unfortunately, very 
little information has been emitted from that camp since IH took control.

I hope that after the 1 year test is concluded that he will publish plenty of 
real data but have serious doubts about that actually happening.   The world 
needs as much information about his products as can be obtained and as quickly 
as possible.

 

 Dave

 

-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2015 1:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT



Holmlid is heaven compared to getting info from Rossi.


On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:52 PM, David Roberson  wrote:

Axil, is it possible that you are jumping to wrong conclusions?  When 
observations do not seem to add up, it is time to prove that they are in fact 
valid.  I think we need at least a replication of these results before we go 
way out on a limb trying to explain something that might not be happening at 
all.

It is fun to offer speculations but it is too easy to run off on a tangent 
without the proper proof that the effect is real.  Do you have total confidence 
in what Holmlid is reporting?  I remain skeptical.

Dave

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2015 11:03 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT




The LENR reaction effect are long range with the detector being 3 meters for 
the source of the reaction.


On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

The reaction changes based on the color of the filter that is used on the 
laser. The time to change the filter is 60 seconds. This means that the 
Hydrogen rydberg matter is long gone on the second and third laser shot.


When Cs137 is used as a probe. the reaction produces a spike in the beta decay 
as send in stabilization of radioactive isotopes seen in many other LENR 
experiments.




On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

The delay or 12, 26, and 52 ns means that the kaons appear before any other 
particles are produced.



On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:



Wait a minute – the end result of muon decay is an electron (or positron in the 
case of the antimuon). This is technically not “beta decay” at least not as 
taught by pedantics. Beta decay is defined as a type of radioactive decay in 
which a proton is transformed into a neutron, or vice versa, which doesn’t 
happen in muon decay. 

Anyway, muon decay produces three particles, which includes an electron or 
positron (same charge as the muon) and two neutrinos. The neutrinos essentially 
are lost to the reaction. Since Holmlid says copious muons are created from 
proton or neutron disintegration, which muons decay in microseconds, then 
copious positrons and electrons are formed … but not “from nothing”… the 
electrons come from muon decay.
According to Bob Higgins, the positrons do no annihilate, but if you are 
looking for the source of electrons, it is from muon decay following nucleon 
disintegration.

From: Eric Walker 
Axil Axil wrote:

In point of fact, Holmlid is producing electrons from nothing in his 
experiment. Don't get excited, we are just talking here.

If one applies straightforward logic, there are only three possibilities:
·   Baryogenesis and tachyons are creating the electrons.
·   Gorrillas are creating the electrons.
·   Beta decay is creating the electrons.
Eric

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Axil Axil]

Holmlid is heaven compared to getting info from Rossi.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:52 PM, David Roberson  wrote:

> Axil, is it possible that you are jumping to wrong conclusions?  When
> observations do not seem to add up, it is time to prove that they are in
> fact valid.  I think we need at least a replication of these results before
> we go way out on a limb trying to explain something that might not be
> happening at all.
>
> It is fun to offer speculations but it is too easy to run off on a tangent
> without the proper proof that the effect is real.  Do you have total
> confidence in what Holmlid is reporting?  I remain skeptical.
>
> Dave
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Axil Axil 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2015 11:03 am
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT
>
> The LENR reaction effect are long range with the detector being 3 meters
> for the source of the reaction.
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> The reaction changes based on the color of the filter that is used on the
>> laser. The time to change the filter is 60 seconds. This means that the
>> Hydrogen rydberg matter is long gone on the second and third laser shot.
>>
>> When Cs137 is used as a probe. the reaction produces a spike in the beta
>> decay as send in stabilization of radioactive isotopes seen in many other
>> LENR experiments.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>
>>> The delay or 12, 26, and 52 ns means that the kaons appear before any
>>> other particles are produced.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Jones Beene 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wait a minute – the end result of muon decay is an electron (or
>>>> positron in the case of the antimuon). This is technically not “beta
>>>> decay” at least not as taught by pedantics. Beta decay is defined as a
>>>> type of radioactive decay in which a proton is transformed into a neutron,
>>>> or vice versa, which doesn’t happen in muon decay.
>>>> Anyway, muon decay produces three particles, which includes an electron
>>>> or positron (same charge as the muon) and two neutrinos. The neutrinos
>>>> essentially are lost to the reaction. Since Holmlid says copious muons
>>>> are created from proton or neutron disintegration, which muons decay
>>>> in microseconds, then copious positrons and electrons are formed … but
>>>> not “from nothing”… the electrons come from muon decay.
>>>> According to Bob Higgins, the positrons do no annihilate, but if you
>>>> are looking for the source of electrons, it is from muon decay following
>>>> nucleon disintegration.
>>>> *From:* Eric Walker
>>>> Axil Axil wrote:
>>>> In point of fact, Holmlid is producing electrons from nothing in his
>>>> experiment. Don't get excited, we are just talking here.
>>>> If one applies straightforward logic, there are only three
>>>> possibilities:
>>>> ·   Baryogenesis and tachyons are creating the electrons.
>>>> ·   Gorrillas are creating the electrons.
>>>> ·   Beta decay is creating the electrons.
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

RE: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Stephen Cooke]

Yup I agree with you Axil although I am no expert on these matters I also don't 
know of anyway they could be generated from the protons. I will be interested 
if someone has an explanation for that. 
Just to expand on the strange quark pair generation idea: 

This is why I was wondering that if sufficient energy is applied if a strange 
anti strange quark pair can be manifested. If so quarks do not exist in 
isolation so they would normally need to be contained in a meson. Unlike Pion 0 
which contain + and  - up quarks or + and - down quarks I do not see such a 
meson for just + and - Strange quarks. (Does any one know if one exists)?
There are a few other Mesons however might be applicable. These are the eta 
meson, the eta prime meson, the short K 0 and the long K 0. All these Mesons 
are neutral and are their own anti particle. All these Mesons contain strange 
mixed up combination of + and - pairs of quarks the eta contain Up, Down and 
Strange quarks, the short and long K0 contain Down and Strange quarks. I'm not 
exactly what they mean in physical terms. The eta and eta prime Mesons are 
heavier than the Kaons and have very short half lives. The short kaon also has 
a short half life. The long Kaon however has a longer half life of 51 ns.
(The strange combinations of quarks in eta and K0 mesons can be found in the 
Meson list in this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mesons)
Since K0 short and Long are their own anti particle I wonder if they can be 
generated individually at lower energy than required for + - Meson pairs i.e 
497 MeV for K0 long rather than 996 MeV for +/- Kaon pairs. 
I should say that if this process is to work either it would need to be 
contained with in the nuclei. For particles the mass of Kaons this implies 
quite heavy Nuclei otherwise the energy would exceed the nucleus binding 
energy, for +/- K pairs it would imply nuclei heavier than Antimony are 
required (perhaps Pt if available would full fill this) for a single K 0 to 
form this would imply a nucleus of heavier than Nickel. I suppose one could 
imagine a resonant or entangled process where the energy was raised and 
distributed across several nuclei, thereby liberating Kaons from all the nuclei 
at the same time.
If heavy nucleons are available in Holmlids experiment this could lead to a 
test of the idea by removing elements heavier than Nickel if we stopped seeing 
Kaons (and maybe only see pions onwards), it could demonstrate that maybe this 
process was in action.
HOWEVER:
*** If I understand correctly there are no sufficiently heavy elements 
available in Holmlids experiment for Kaons to form this way? If I remember 
right there are no elements heavier than Nickel listed? The catalyst I think 
only contains Potassium, Iron and Oxygen. Is the is correct? If so it implies 
another process must take place. ***
I think in the current consensus this leaves effectively two possibilities: 
1. Concurrent Nucleon disintegration or annihilation with the production of 
particles also including strange quarks, if so an explanation is needed as to 
how down quarks can change to strange quarks for example. 
2. Axil's SPP Analogue black hole Hadron evaporation. It will be amazing if it 
can work that way, i wonder if there is a particular absolute proof way to 
observe that , such as actually observing an form SPP and seeing Kaons come 
directly as a result of it? I suppose we will have to wait for new high tech 
equipment to see that.
But maybe there is another mechanism too. (Hopefully not involving any Gorillas 
;) )
It is interesting that this test it may give us a window on CP violation too

Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:42:22 -0400
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT
From: janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

I don't understand how strange and antistrange quarks can come from protons. 
There would need to be a quark reformatting process involved that can turn 
matter into different matter and antimatter types instantly. It is easier to 
accept that light energy from the laser is turned into matter and antimatter, 
especially since the color of the light changes the nature of the matter 
produced. Said in another way, different light makes different matter.
On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Stephen Cooke  
wrote:
Could generation of +/- s quark pairs be the trigger for nucleon 
disintegration. Could each pair with an up quark to form kaons and force the 
disintegration of the nucleons from which the up quark comes? Each s quark has 
a rest mass of 100MeV. I'm not sure if there is a meson containing an s quark 
pair however. Unless it is in the form of K- long or K- short also about 497 
MeV that seem to contain a strange balanced mixture of + and - down and strange 
quarks. I'm not knowledgable enough of a nuclear physics to know if this is 
something to consider, but it seems intersting.
Sent from my iPhone
On 26 Oct 2015, at 08:03, Axil Axil  wrote:

K−, ne

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[David Roberson]

Axil, is it possible that you are jumping to wrong conclusions?  When 
observations do not seem to add up, it is time to prove that they are in fact 
valid.  I think we need at least a replication of these results before we go 
way out on a limb trying to explain something that might not be happening at 
all.

It is fun to offer speculations but it is too easy to run off on a tangent 
without the proper proof that the effect is real.  Do you have total confidence 
in what Holmlid is reporting?  I remain skeptical.

Dave

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2015 11:03 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT



The LENR reaction effect are long range with the detector being 3 meters for 
the source of the reaction.


On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

The reaction changes based on the color of the filter that is used on the 
laser. The time to change the filter is 60 seconds. This means that the 
Hydrogen rydberg matter is long gone on the second and third laser shot.


When Cs137 is used as a probe. the reaction produces a spike in the beta decay 
as send in stabilization of radioactive isotopes seen in many other LENR 
experiments.




On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

The delay or 12, 26, and 52 ns means that the kaons appear before any other 
particles are produced.



On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:



Wait a minute – the end result of muon decay is an electron (or positron in the 
case of the antimuon). This is technically not “beta decay” at least not as 
taught by pedantics. Beta decay is defined as a type of radioactive decay in 
which a proton is transformed into a neutron, or vice versa, which doesn’t 
happen in muon decay. 

Anyway, muon decay produces three particles, which includes an electron or 
positron (same charge as the muon) and two neutrinos. The neutrinos essentially 
are lost to the reaction. Since Holmlid says copious muons are created from 
proton or neutron disintegration, which muons decay in microseconds, then 
copious positrons and electrons are formed … but not “from nothing”… the 
electrons come from muon decay.
According to Bob Higgins, the positrons do no annihilate, but if you are 
looking for the source of electrons, it is from muon decay following nucleon 
disintegration.

From: Eric Walker 
Axil Axil wrote:

In point of fact, Holmlid is producing electrons from nothing in his 
experiment. Don't get excited, we are just talking here.

If one applies straightforward logic, there are only three possibilities:
·   Baryogenesis and tachyons are creating the electrons.
·   Gorrillas are creating the electrons.
·   Beta decay is creating the electrons.
Eric

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Axil Axil]

I think that it is but is is being sent backward in time.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:13 PM, David Roberson  wrote:

> Is there proof that an equal amount of positive charge is not being
> produced at the same time?
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Eric Walker 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2015 10:05 am
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:18 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
> In point of fact, Holmlid is producing electrons from nothing in his
>> experiment. Don't get excited, we are just talking here.
>>
>
> If one applies straightforward logic, there are only three possibilities:
>
>- Baryogenesis and tachyons are creating the electrons.
>- Gorrillas are creating the electrons.
>- Beta decay is creating the electrons.
>
> Eric
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[David Roberson]

Is there proof that an equal amount of positive charge is not being produced at 
the same time?

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Eric Walker 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2015 10:05 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT




On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:18 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:



In point of fact, Holmlid is producing electrons from nothing in his 
experiment. Don't get excited, we are just talking here.




If one applies straightforward logic, there are only three possibilities:

Baryogenesis and tachyons are creating the electrons.
Gorrillas are creating the electrons.
Beta decay is creating the electrons.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Axil Axil]

It's psychological. Rydberg matter is Holmlid's baby. He wants his baby to
succeed. Like almost all LENR experiments, Holmlid assumes that the means
of the reaction is the cause of the LENR reaction. But the cause of the
reaction is not Hydrogen Rydberg matter. This stuff only produces the
cause. Just like for Ed Storms, cracks produce the cause of the reaction.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> On Oct 26, 2015, at 9:33, "Jones Beene"  wrote:
>
> Wait a minute – the end result of muon decay is an electron (or positron
> in the case of the antimuon). This is technically not “beta decay” at
> least not as taught by pedantics.
>
> I'm not sold on the whole meson -> muon decay explanation.  I'm going to
> hazard a guess that as I make it through Holmlid's papers, the evidence
> will be explainable as beta decay.
>
> I read through an older paper of Holmlid's last night on arXiv.  It was
> nearly indecipherable.  What was clear was that he was heating potassium
> with a laser and seeing activity in the radio spectrum.  The paper was
> seeking to explain peaks in the spectrum that were appearing at regular
> intervals.
>
> He had already developed at that point a whole explanation for this radio
> spectrum which involved electronic transitions in clusters of rotating
> "Rydberg matter".  His theory thoroughly infused his discussion of the raw
> data.  There was no attempt to explain or justify how he had gotten to that
> point, so the paper came across as listening in on the middle of a
> conversation full of technical jargon without the benefit of having heard
> the first part of the conversation.
>
> Much of the jargon dealt with the behavior of antennas.  Some EEs with
> experience with antennas might immediately have opinions about some of the
> discussion.
>
> Eric
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Eric Walker]

> On Oct 26, 2015, at 9:33, "Jones Beene"  wrote:
> 
> Wait a minute – the end result of muon decay is an electron (or positron in 
> the case of the antimuon). This is technically not “beta decay” at least not 
> as taught by pedantics.
> 
I'm not sold on the whole meson -> muon decay explanation.  I'm going to hazard 
a guess that as I make it through Holmlid's papers, the evidence will be 
explainable as beta decay.

I read through an older paper of Holmlid's last night on arXiv.  It was nearly 
indecipherable.  What was clear was that he was heating potassium with a laser 
and seeing activity in the radio spectrum.  The paper was seeking to explain 
peaks in the spectrum that were appearing at regular intervals.

He had already developed at that point a whole explanation for this radio 
spectrum which involved electronic transitions in clusters of rotating "Rydberg 
matter".  His theory thoroughly infused his discussion of the raw data.  There 
was no attempt to explain or justify how he had gotten to that point, so the 
paper came across as listening in on the middle of a conversation full of 
technical jargon without the benefit of having heard the first part of the 
conversation.

Much of the jargon dealt with the behavior of antennas.  Some EEs with 
experience with antennas might immediately have opinions about some of the 
discussion.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Axil Axil]

I don't understand how strange and antistrange quarks can come from
protons. There would need to be a quark reformatting process involved that
can turn matter into different matter and antimatter types instantly. It is
easier to accept that light energy from the laser is turned into matter and
antimatter, especially since the color of the light changes the nature of
the matter produced. Said in another way, different light makes different
matter.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Stephen Cooke 
wrote:

> Could generation of +/- s quark pairs be the trigger for nucleon
> disintegration. Could each pair with an up quark to form kaons and force
> the disintegration of the nucleons from which the up quark comes? Each s
> quark has a rest mass of 100MeV. I'm not sure if there is a meson
> containing an s quark pair however. Unless it is in the form of K- long or
> K- short also about 497 MeV that seem to contain a strange balanced mixture
> of + and - down and strange quarks. I'm not knowledgable enough of a
> nuclear physics to know if this is something to consider, but it seems
> intersting.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 26 Oct 2015, at 08:03, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
> K−, negatively charged (containing a strange quark and an up antiquark)
> has mass 493.667±0.013 MeV and mean lifetime (1.2384±0.0024)×10−8 s.
> K+ (antiparticle of above) positively charged (containing an up quark and
> a strange antiquark) must (by CPT invariance) have mass and lifetime equal
> to that of K−.
>
> The mass difference is 0.032±0.090 MeV, consistent with zero. The
> difference in lifetime is (0.11±0.09)×10−8 s. What's weird is that two
> different quarks types are produced out of nothing. You just don't find
> strange quarks in ordinary matter.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 1:18 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> in physical cosmology 
>> , *baryogenesis* is the generic term for the hypothetical physical
>> processes that produced an asymmetry
>> (imbalance) between baryons
>>  and antibaryons produced in the very
>> early universe . The baryonic
>> matter  that remains today,
>> following the baryonic-antibaryonic matter annihilation, makes up the
>> universe .
>>
>> LENR could be responsible for the past and ongoing production of matter
>> in the universe in violation of CPT and that negative matter (
>> antibaryons) is being sent back in time.
>>
>> We see excess electrons pop into existence in LENR reactions. Could LENR
>> be the GOD reaction? In point of fact, Holmlid is producing electrons from
>> nothing in his experiment. Don't get excited, we are just talking here.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:53 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>
>>> CPT THEOREM C(harge) -P(arity=reflection) -T(ime reversal) INVARIANCE is
>>> a property of any quantum field theory in Flat space times which respects:
>>> (i) Locality, (ii) Unitarity and (iii) Lorentz Symmetry.
>>>
>>> Holmlid is producing neutral K mesons. This particle demonstrates CP
>>> violation,
>>>
>>> The discovery of CP violation in 1964 in the decays of neutral kaons
>>>  resulted in the Nobel Prize in
>>> Physics  in 1980
>>>  for its
>>> discoverers James Cronin 
>>> and Val Fitch .
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP_violation
>>>
>>> Who can say why LENR produces neutral K mesons?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Axil Axil]

Because all the 10 billion kaons are produced instantaneously, the stuff
that produces them must be entangles. Holmlid cryptically says that
"entanglement is needed"

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Stephen Cooke 
wrote:

> Good point about the delays, is there a good explanation for the different
> delays for the two sources 52ns for protium and 26 ns deuterium?
> Interesting that protium takes exactly twice as long and is half the mass.
> I appreciate the +/- kaon half life is about 12ns.
>
>
> On 26 Oct 2015, at 15:13, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
> Holmlid says that the the reaction is delayed by 26ns for deuterium and 52
> ns for protium. This means that the reaction is produced by a decay product
> of the K mesons. The 10 billion kaons are produced simultaneously.
> Positrons are seen but no gamma. This is important. This means that the
> mechanism that suppresses of thermalizes the gamma radiation exists AFTER
> the hydrogen Rydberg matter is blasted apart. The Rydberg matter is not
> causative.
>
> This also means that more electrons are seen then positions like what
> happened in the big bang in respect to CPT violation. Positrons were seen a
> long distance away from the site of the reactions. This means that the
> gamma thermalization extends outward meters from the site of the reaction.
>
> How long does it take to reenergize this process? How long do we need to
> wait before another laser shot produces similar results. Both Mills and
> Papp were able to repeat their reaction is milliseconds. Can Holmlid do the
> same? Does this reaction still need hydrogen Rydberg matter to exist after
> the first laser shot? Holmlid said that it takes weeks to build up the
> Rydberg matter. But both Mills and Papp got repeatable results in
> milliseconds. Does this mean that the case of the reaction persists to
> thermalize radiation and stabilize radioactive isotopes long after the
> Rydberg matter is gone?
>
> We are at a stage in LENR where Niels Bohr was doing his exploration of
> the structure of the atom. Holmlid needs to modify his experimental
> processes to get as much info out of his experiment as he can.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Stephen Cooke  > wrote:
>
>> Well if Kaons are present on the up side we always thought something
>> strange was going on in this process😉.
>>
>> Although energetically there is enough rest mass in Deuterium to produce
>> a Kaon through some kind of low energy or collective trigger for the
>> nucleons to trigger can it account for the formation of these quarks?
>>
>> If it is not possible this way but on the other hand they are present it
>> would indicate maybe that the right combination of quarks and anti quarks
>> are produced to form all the mesons observed from high energy excitation in
>> one place.
>>
>> This I think is consistent with your SPP analogue black hole Hadron
>> evaporation idea?
>>
>> As an alternative approach to the analogue black hole idea, for a meson
>> to form in a single bound place I suppose that meson combinations could be
>> generated in a nucleus. If a nucleus somehow has enough extra energy to
>> generate a quark neutral over all combination of mesons. I wonder if this
>> also true if a nucleon or nucleon pair is destroyed in the process. As well
>> as an energizing source (perhaps a laser, phonon resonance effect or
>> magnetic stimulation from SPP), I suppose a nucleus of sufficient binding
>> energy would be required. It seems Deuterium it self does not have any
>> where near the binding energy to hold a pion let alone combinations of
>> pions or kaons. So if a single nucleus is required to generate complete
>> mesons this implies heavier nuclei are required at least of sufficient
>> binding energy to hold a meson pair before being released from or quantum
>> tunneling out of the nucleus.
>>
>> If we assume 8MeV binding energy per nucleon then perhaps we need a
>> nucleus of atomic mass of 36 (heavier than Sulphur) to manifest +/- pion
>> pairs for example.  For kaon pairs however, much heavier nuclei would be
>> implicated. I'm not sure if these are present in the fuel but I suppose
>> platinum would be heavy enough.
>>
>> So perhaps as I think you have said in the past the UDD is providing a
>> kind of magnetic resonance to other individual nuclei. If these are heavier
>> nuclei perhaps they can be excited to a state where these meson pairs can
>> be manifested.
>>
>> If the accumulation of energy in the nucleus is slow perhaps the mesons
>> would be ejected as soon as the are formed with minimal energy as soon they
>> can tunnel out of the nucleus. I suppose - mesons would form pionic and
>> kaonic atoms and maybe the + pion interact with a neutron to form a proton,
>> otherwise they would decay following the chain mentioned by Holmlid.
>>
>> It might be still difficult to account for Kaons using the above approach
>> if so we are left with:
>>
>> Nucleon or nucleon pair disintegration,(perhaps in ultra dense material)
>> then 

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Stephen Cooke]

Could generation of +/- s quark pairs be the trigger for nucleon 
disintegration. Could each pair with an up quark to form kaons and force the 
disintegration of the nucleons from which the up quark comes? Each s quark has 
a rest mass of 100MeV. I'm not sure if there is a meson containing an s quark 
pair however. Unless it is in the form of K- long or K- short also about 497 
MeV that seem to contain a strange balanced mixture of + and - down and strange 
quarks. I'm not knowledgable enough of a nuclear physics to know if this is 
something to consider, but it seems intersting.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 26 Oct 2015, at 08:03, Axil Axil  wrote:
> 
> K−, negatively charged (containing a strange quark and an up antiquark) has 
> mass 493.667±0.013 MeV and mean lifetime (1.2384±0.0024)×10−8 s.
> K+ (antiparticle of above) positively charged (containing an up quark and a 
> strange antiquark) must (by CPT invariance) have mass and lifetime equal to 
> that of K−. 
> 
> The mass difference is 0.032±0.090 MeV, consistent with zero. The difference 
> in lifetime is (0.11±0.09)×10−8 s. What's weird is that two different quarks 
> types are produced out of nothing. You just don't find strange quarks in 
> ordinary matter. 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 1:18 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>> in physical cosmology, baryogenesis is the generic term for the hypothetical 
>> physical processes that produced an asymmetry(imbalance) between baryons and 
>> antibaryons produced in the very early universe. The baryonic matter that 
>> remains today, following the baryonic-antibaryonic matter annihilation, 
>> makes up the universe.
>> 
>> LENR could be responsible for the past and ongoing production of matter in 
>> the universe in violation of CPT and that negative matter (antibaryons) is 
>> being sent back in time. 
>> 
>> We see excess electrons pop into existence in LENR reactions. Could LENR be 
>> the GOD reaction? In point of fact, Holmlid is producing electrons from 
>> nothing in his experiment. Don't get excited, we are just talking here.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:53 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>> CPT THEOREM C(harge) -P(arity=reflection) -T(ime reversal) INVARIANCE is a 
>>> property of any quantum field theory in Flat space times which respects: 
>>> (i) Locality, (ii) Unitarity and (iii) Lorentz Symmetry.
>>> 
>>> Holmlid is producing neutral K mesons. This particle demonstrates CP 
>>> violation,
>>> 
>>> The discovery of CP violation in 1964 in the decays of neutral kaons 
>>> resulted in the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1980 for its discoverers James 
>>> Croninand Val Fitch.
>>> 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP_violation
>>> 
>>> Who can say why LENR produces neutral K mesons? 
> 

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Stephen Cooke]

Good point about the delays, is there a good explanation for the different 
delays for the two sources 52ns for protium and 26 ns deuterium? Interesting 
that protium takes exactly twice as long and is half the mass. I appreciate the 
+/- kaon half life is about 12ns. 


> On 26 Oct 2015, at 15:13, Axil Axil  wrote:
> 
> Holmlid says that the the reaction is delayed by 26ns for deuterium and 52 ns 
> for protium. This means that the reaction is produced by a decay product of 
> the K mesons. The 10 billion kaons are produced simultaneously. Positrons are 
> seen but no gamma. This is important. This means that the mechanism that 
> suppresses of thermalizes the gamma radiation exists AFTER the hydrogen 
> Rydberg matter is blasted apart. The Rydberg matter is not causative. 
> 
> This also means that more electrons are seen then positions like what 
> happened in the big bang in respect to CPT violation. Positrons were seen a 
> long distance away from the site of the reactions. This means that the gamma 
> thermalization extends outward meters from the site of the reaction.
> 
> How long does it take to reenergize this process? How long do we need to wait 
> before another laser shot produces similar results. Both Mills and Papp were 
> able to repeat their reaction is milliseconds. Can Holmlid do the same? Does 
> this reaction still need hydrogen Rydberg matter to exist after the first 
> laser shot? Holmlid said that it takes weeks to build up the Rydberg matter. 
> But both Mills and Papp got repeatable results in milliseconds. Does this 
> mean that the case of the reaction persists to thermalize radiation and 
> stabilize radioactive isotopes long after the Rydberg matter is gone?
> 
> We are at a stage in LENR where Niels Bohr was doing his exploration of the 
> structure of the atom. Holmlid needs to modify his experimental processes to 
> get as much info out of his experiment as he can.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Stephen Cooke  
>> wrote:
>> Well if Kaons are present on the up side we always thought something strange 
>> was going on in this process😉.
>> 
>> Although energetically there is enough rest mass in Deuterium to produce a 
>> Kaon through some kind of low energy or collective trigger for the nucleons 
>> to trigger can it account for the formation of these quarks?
>> 
>> If it is not possible this way but on the other hand they are present it 
>> would indicate maybe that the right combination of quarks and anti quarks 
>> are produced to form all the mesons observed from high energy excitation in 
>> one place. 
>> 
>> This I think is consistent with your SPP analogue black hole Hadron 
>> evaporation idea? 
>> 
>> As an alternative approach to the analogue black hole idea, for a meson to 
>> form in a single bound place I suppose that meson combinations could be 
>> generated in a nucleus. If a nucleus somehow has enough extra energy to 
>> generate a quark neutral over all combination of mesons. I wonder if this 
>> also true if a nucleon or nucleon pair is destroyed in the process. As well 
>> as an energizing source (perhaps a laser, phonon resonance effect or 
>> magnetic stimulation from SPP), I suppose a nucleus of sufficient binding 
>> energy would be required. It seems Deuterium it self does not have any where 
>> near the binding energy to hold a pion let alone combinations of pions or 
>> kaons. So if a single nucleus is required to generate complete mesons this 
>> implies heavier nuclei are required at least of sufficient binding energy to 
>> hold a meson pair before being released from or quantum tunneling out of the 
>> nucleus. 
>> 
>> If we assume 8MeV binding energy per nucleon then perhaps we need a nucleus 
>> of atomic mass of 36 (heavier than Sulphur) to manifest +/- pion pairs for 
>> example.  For kaon pairs however, much heavier nuclei would be implicated. 
>> I'm not sure if these are present in the fuel but I suppose platinum would 
>> be heavy enough.
>> 
>> So perhaps as I think you have said in the past the UDD is providing a kind 
>> of magnetic resonance to other individual nuclei. If these are heavier 
>> nuclei perhaps they can be excited to a state where these meson pairs can be 
>> manifested.
>> 
>> If the accumulation of energy in the nucleus is slow perhaps the mesons 
>> would be ejected as soon as the are formed with minimal energy as soon they 
>> can tunnel out of the nucleus. I suppose - mesons would form pionic and 
>> kaonic atoms and maybe the + pion interact with a neutron to form a proton, 
>> otherwise they would decay following the chain mentioned by Holmlid. 
>> 
>> It might be still difficult to account for Kaons using the above approach if 
>> so we are left with:
>> 
>> Nucleon or nucleon pair disintegration,(perhaps in ultra dense material) 
>> then a trigger needs to be identified.
>> 
>> Nucleon annihilation followed by particle generation from the energy 
>> released.
>> 
>> Axils SSP black hole analogue an

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Axil Axil]

The LENR reaction effect are long range with the detector being 3 meters
for the source of the reaction.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> The reaction changes based on the color of the filter that is used on the
> laser. The time to change the filter is 60 seconds. This means that the
> Hydrogen rydberg matter is long gone on the second and third laser shot.
>
> When Cs137 is used as a probe. the reaction produces a spike in the beta
> decay as send in stabilization of radioactive isotopes seen in many other
> LENR experiments.
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> The delay or 12, 26, and 52 ns means that the kaons appear before any
>> other particles are produced.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Jones Beene 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wait a minute – the end result of muon decay is an electron (or positron
>>> in the case of the antimuon). This is technically not “beta decay” at
>>> least not as taught by pedantics. Beta decay is defined as a type of
>>> radioactive decay in which a proton is transformed into a neutron, or vice
>>> versa, which doesn’t happen in muon decay.
>>>
>>> Anyway, muon decay produces three particles, which includes an electron
>>> or positron (same charge as the muon) and two neutrinos. The neutrinos
>>> essentially are lost to the reaction. Since Holmlid says copious muons
>>> are created from proton or neutron disintegration, which muons decay in
>>> microseconds, then copious positrons and electrons are formed … but not
>>> “from nothing”… the electrons come from muon decay.
>>>
>>> According to Bob Higgins, the positrons do no annihilate, but if you are
>>> looking for the source of electrons, it is from muon decay following
>>> nucleon disintegration.
>>>
>>> *From:* Eric Walker
>>>
>>> Axil Axil wrote:
>>>
>>> In point of fact, Holmlid is producing electrons from nothing in his
>>> experiment. Don't get excited, we are just talking here.
>>>
>>> If one applies straightforward logic, there are only three possibilities:
>>>
>>> ·   Baryogenesis and tachyons are creating the electrons.
>>>
>>> ·   Gorrillas are creating the electrons.
>>>
>>> ·   Beta decay is creating the electrons.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Axil Axil]

The reaction changes based on the color of the filter that is used on the
laser. The time to change the filter is 60 seconds. This means that the
Hydrogen rydberg matter is long gone on the second and third laser shot.

When Cs137 is used as a probe. the reaction produces a spike in the beta
decay as send in stabilization of radioactive isotopes seen in many other
LENR experiments.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> The delay or 12, 26, and 52 ns means that the kaons appear before any
> other particles are produced.
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>> Wait a minute – the end result of muon decay is an electron (or positron
>> in the case of the antimuon). This is technically not “beta decay” at
>> least not as taught by pedantics. Beta decay is defined as a type of
>> radioactive decay in which a proton is transformed into a neutron, or vice
>> versa, which doesn’t happen in muon decay.
>>
>> Anyway, muon decay produces three particles, which includes an electron
>> or positron (same charge as the muon) and two neutrinos. The neutrinos
>> essentially are lost to the reaction. Since Holmlid says copious muons
>> are created from proton or neutron disintegration, which muons decay in
>> microseconds, then copious positrons and electrons are formed … but not
>> “from nothing”… the electrons come from muon decay.
>>
>> According to Bob Higgins, the positrons do no annihilate, but if you are
>> looking for the source of electrons, it is from muon decay following
>> nucleon disintegration.
>>
>> *From:* Eric Walker
>>
>> Axil Axil wrote:
>>
>> In point of fact, Holmlid is producing electrons from nothing in his
>> experiment. Don't get excited, we are just talking here.
>>
>> If one applies straightforward logic, there are only three possibilities:
>>
>> ·   Baryogenesis and tachyons are creating the electrons.
>>
>> ·   Gorrillas are creating the electrons.
>>
>> ·   Beta decay is creating the electrons.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Axil Axil]

The delay or 12, 26, and 52 ns means that the kaons appear before any other
particles are produced.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Wait a minute – the end result of muon decay is an electron (or positron
> in the case of the antimuon). This is technically not “beta decay” at
> least not as taught by pedantics. Beta decay is defined as a type of
> radioactive decay in which a proton is transformed into a neutron, or vice
> versa, which doesn’t happen in muon decay.
>
> Anyway, muon decay produces three particles, which includes an electron
> or positron (same charge as the muon) and two neutrinos. The neutrinos
> essentially are lost to the reaction. Since Holmlid says copious muons
> are created from proton or neutron disintegration, which muons decay in
> microseconds, then copious positrons and electrons are formed … but not
> “from nothing”… the electrons come from muon decay.
>
> According to Bob Higgins, the positrons do no annihilate, but if you are
> looking for the source of electrons, it is from muon decay following
> nucleon disintegration.
>
> *From:* Eric Walker
>
> Axil Axil wrote:
>
> In point of fact, Holmlid is producing electrons from nothing in his
> experiment. Don't get excited, we are just talking here.
>
> If one applies straightforward logic, there are only three possibilities:
>
> ·   Baryogenesis and tachyons are creating the electrons.
>
> ·   Gorrillas are creating the electrons.
>
> ·   Beta decay is creating the electrons.
>
> Eric
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Jones Beene]

Wait a minute – the end result of muon decay is an electron (or positron in the 
case of the antimuon). This is technically not “beta decay” at least not as 
taught by pedantics. Beta decay is defined as a type of radioactive decay in 
which a proton is transformed into a neutron, or vice versa, which doesn’t 
happen in muon decay. 

Anyway, muon decay produces three particles, which includes an electron or 
positron (same charge as the muon) and two neutrinos. The neutrinos essentially 
are lost to the reaction. Since Holmlid says copious muons are created from 
proton or neutron disintegration, which muons decay in microseconds, then 
copious positrons and electrons are formed … but not “from nothing”… the 
electrons come from muon decay.

According to Bob Higgins, the positrons do no annihilate, but if you are 
looking for the source of electrons, it is from muon decay following nucleon 
disintegration.


From: Eric Walker 

Axil Axil wrote:

In point of fact, Holmlid is producing electrons from nothing in his 
experiment. Don't get excited, we are just talking here.

If one applies straightforward logic, there are only three possibilities:
*   Baryogenesis and tachyons are creating the electrons.
*   Gorrillas are creating the electrons.
*   Beta decay is creating the electrons.
Eric

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Axil Axil]

Holmlid says that the the reaction is delayed by 26ns for deuterium and 52
ns for protium. This means that the reaction is produced by a decay product
of the K mesons. The 10 billion kaons are produced simultaneously.
Positrons are seen but no gamma. This is important. This means that the
mechanism that suppresses of thermalizes the gamma radiation exists AFTER
the hydrogen Rydberg matter is blasted apart. The Rydberg matter is not
causative.

This also means that more electrons are seen then positions like what
happened in the big bang in respect to CPT violation. Positrons were seen a
long distance away from the site of the reactions. This means that the
gamma thermalization extends outward meters from the site of the reaction.

How long does it take to reenergize this process? How long do we need to
wait before another laser shot produces similar results. Both Mills and
Papp were able to repeat their reaction is milliseconds. Can Holmlid do the
same? Does this reaction still need hydrogen Rydberg matter to exist after
the first laser shot? Holmlid said that it takes weeks to build up the
Rydberg matter. But both Mills and Papp got repeatable results in
milliseconds. Does this mean that the case of the reaction persists to
thermalize radiation and stabilize radioactive isotopes long after the
Rydberg matter is gone?

We are at a stage in LENR where Niels Bohr was doing his exploration of the
structure of the atom. Holmlid needs to modify his experimental processes
to get as much info out of his experiment as he can.



On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Stephen Cooke 
wrote:

> Well if Kaons are present on the up side we always thought something
> strange was going on in this process😉.
>
> Although energetically there is enough rest mass in Deuterium to produce a
> Kaon through some kind of low energy or collective trigger for the nucleons
> to trigger can it account for the formation of these quarks?
>
> If it is not possible this way but on the other hand they are present it
> would indicate maybe that the right combination of quarks and anti quarks
> are produced to form all the mesons observed from high energy excitation in
> one place.
>
> This I think is consistent with your SPP analogue black hole Hadron
> evaporation idea?
>
> As an alternative approach to the analogue black hole idea, for a meson to
> form in a single bound place I suppose that meson combinations could be
> generated in a nucleus. If a nucleus somehow has enough extra energy to
> generate a quark neutral over all combination of mesons. I wonder if this
> also true if a nucleon or nucleon pair is destroyed in the process. As well
> as an energizing source (perhaps a laser, phonon resonance effect or
> magnetic stimulation from SPP), I suppose a nucleus of sufficient binding
> energy would be required. It seems Deuterium it self does not have any
> where near the binding energy to hold a pion let alone combinations of
> pions or kaons. So if a single nucleus is required to generate complete
> mesons this implies heavier nuclei are required at least of sufficient
> binding energy to hold a meson pair before being released from or quantum
> tunneling out of the nucleus.
>
> If we assume 8MeV binding energy per nucleon then perhaps we need a
> nucleus of atomic mass of 36 (heavier than Sulphur) to manifest +/- pion
> pairs for example.  For kaon pairs however, much heavier nuclei would be
> implicated. I'm not sure if these are present in the fuel but I suppose
> platinum would be heavy enough.
>
> So perhaps as I think you have said in the past the UDD is providing a
> kind of magnetic resonance to other individual nuclei. If these are heavier
> nuclei perhaps they can be excited to a state where these meson pairs can
> be manifested.
>
> If the accumulation of energy in the nucleus is slow perhaps the mesons
> would be ejected as soon as the are formed with minimal energy as soon they
> can tunnel out of the nucleus. I suppose - mesons would form pionic and
> kaonic atoms and maybe the + pion interact with a neutron to form a proton,
> otherwise they would decay following the chain mentioned by Holmlid.
>
> It might be still difficult to account for Kaons using the above approach
> if so we are left with:
>
> Nucleon or nucleon pair disintegration,(perhaps in ultra dense material)
> then a trigger needs to be identified.
>
> Nucleon annihilation followed by particle generation from the energy
> released.
>
> Axils SSP black hole analogue and Hadron evaporation.
>
> High energy nucleon impacts or fusion events. In which case we would
> expect more radiation if I understand correctly.
>
> On 26 Oct 2015, at 08:03, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
> K−, negatively charged (containing a strange quark and an up antiquark)
> has mass 493.667±0.013 MeV and mean lifetime (1.2384±0.0024)×10−8 s.
> K+ (antiparticle of above) positively charged (containing an up quark and
> a strange antiquark) must (by CPT invariance) have mass and lifetime equal
> to that

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Eric Walker]

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:18 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

In point of fact, Holmlid is producing electrons from nothing in his
> experiment. Don't get excited, we are just talking here.
>

If one applies straightforward logic, there are only three possibilities:

   - Baryogenesis and tachyons are creating the electrons.
   - Gorrillas are creating the electrons.
   - Beta decay is creating the electrons.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Stephen Cooke]

Well if Kaons are present on the up side we always thought something strange 
was going on in this process😉.

Although energetically there is enough rest mass in Deuterium to produce a Kaon 
through some kind of low energy or collective trigger for the nucleons to 
trigger can it account for the formation of these quarks?

If it is not possible this way but on the other hand they are present it would 
indicate maybe that the right combination of quarks and anti quarks are 
produced to form all the mesons observed from high energy excitation in one 
place. 

This I think is consistent with your SPP analogue black hole Hadron evaporation 
idea? 

As an alternative approach to the analogue black hole idea, for a meson to form 
in a single bound place I suppose that meson combinations could be generated in 
a nucleus. If a nucleus somehow has enough extra energy to generate a quark 
neutral over all combination of mesons. I wonder if this also true if a nucleon 
or nucleon pair is destroyed in the process. As well as an energizing source 
(perhaps a laser, phonon resonance effect or magnetic stimulation from SPP), I 
suppose a nucleus of sufficient binding energy would be required. It seems 
Deuterium it self does not have any where near the binding energy to hold a 
pion let alone combinations of pions or kaons. So if a single nucleus is 
required to generate complete mesons this implies heavier nuclei are required 
at least of sufficient binding energy to hold a meson pair before being 
released from or quantum tunneling out of the nucleus. 

If we assume 8MeV binding energy per nucleon then perhaps we need a nucleus of 
atomic mass of 36 (heavier than Sulphur) to manifest +/- pion pairs for 
example.  For kaon pairs however, much heavier nuclei would be implicated. I'm 
not sure if these are present in the fuel but I suppose platinum would be heavy 
enough.

So perhaps as I think you have said in the past the UDD is providing a kind of 
magnetic resonance to other individual nuclei. If these are heavier nuclei 
perhaps they can be excited to a state where these meson pairs can be 
manifested.

If the accumulation of energy in the nucleus is slow perhaps the mesons would 
be ejected as soon as the are formed with minimal energy as soon they can 
tunnel out of the nucleus. I suppose - mesons would form pionic and kaonic 
atoms and maybe the + pion interact with a neutron to form a proton, otherwise 
they would decay following the chain mentioned by Holmlid. 

It might be still difficult to account for Kaons using the above approach if so 
we are left with:

Nucleon or nucleon pair disintegration,(perhaps in ultra dense material) then a 
trigger needs to be identified.

Nucleon annihilation followed by particle generation from the energy released.

Axils SSP black hole analogue and Hadron evaporation.

High energy nucleon impacts or fusion events. In which case we would expect 
more radiation if I understand correctly.

> On 26 Oct 2015, at 08:03, Axil Axil  wrote:
> 
> K−, negatively charged (containing a strange quark and an up antiquark) has 
> mass 493.667±0.013 MeV and mean lifetime (1.2384±0.0024)×10−8 s.
> K+ (antiparticle of above) positively charged (containing an up quark and a 
> strange antiquark) must (by CPT invariance) have mass and lifetime equal to 
> that of K−. 
> 
> The mass difference is 0.032±0.090 MeV, consistent with zero. The difference 
> in lifetime is (0.11±0.09)×10−8 s. What's weird is that two different quarks 
> types are produced out of nothing. You just don't find strange quarks in 
> ordinary matter. 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 1:18 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>> in physical cosmology, baryogenesis is the generic term for the hypothetical 
>> physical processes that produced an asymmetry(imbalance) between baryons and 
>> antibaryons produced in the very early universe. The baryonic matter that 
>> remains today, following the baryonic-antibaryonic matter annihilation, 
>> makes up the universe.
>> 
>> LENR could be responsible for the past and ongoing production of matter in 
>> the universe in violation of CPT and that negative matter (antibaryons) is 
>> being sent back in time. 
>> 
>> We see excess electrons pop into existence in LENR reactions. Could LENR be 
>> the GOD reaction? In point of fact, Holmlid is producing electrons from 
>> nothing in his experiment. Don't get excited, we are just talking here.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:53 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>> CPT THEOREM C(harge) -P(arity=reflection) -T(ime reversal) INVARIANCE is a 
>>> property of any quantum field theory in Flat space times which respects: 
>>> (i) Locality, (ii) Unitarity and (iii) Lorentz Symmetry.
>>> 
>>> Holmlid is producing neutral K mesons. This particle demonstrates CP 
>>> violation,
>>> 
>>> The discovery of CP violation in 1964 in the decays of neutral kaons 
>>> resulted in the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1980 for its discoverers James 
>>> Croninand Val Fitch.
>>> 
>>> https://en

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Stephen Cooke]

Yup I was also wondering about the different quarks in the Kaons. Was the 
signature in their data clear? Or was there some other reason they inferred 
Kaons as well as Pions?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 26 Oct 2015, at 08:03, Axil Axil  wrote:
> 
> K−, negatively charged (containing a strange quark and an up antiquark) has 
> mass 493.667±0.013 MeV and mean lifetime (1.2384±0.0024)×10−8 s.
> K+ (antiparticle of above) positively charged (containing an up quark and a 
> strange antiquark) must (by CPT invariance) have mass and lifetime equal to 
> that of K−. 
> 
> The mass difference is 0.032±0.090 MeV, consistent with zero. The difference 
> in lifetime is (0.11±0.09)×10−8 s. What's weird is that two different quarks 
> types are produced out of nothing. You just don't find strange quarks in 
> ordinary matter. 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 1:18 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>> in physical cosmology, baryogenesis is the generic term for the hypothetical 
>> physical processes that produced an asymmetry(imbalance) between baryons and 
>> antibaryons produced in the very early universe. The baryonic matter that 
>> remains today, following the baryonic-antibaryonic matter annihilation, 
>> makes up the universe.
>> 
>> LENR could be responsible for the past and ongoing production of matter in 
>> the universe in violation of CPT and that negative matter (antibaryons) is 
>> being sent back in time. 
>> 
>> We see excess electrons pop into existence in LENR reactions. Could LENR be 
>> the GOD reaction? In point of fact, Holmlid is producing electrons from 
>> nothing in his experiment. Don't get excited, we are just talking here.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:53 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>> CPT THEOREM C(harge) -P(arity=reflection) -T(ime reversal) INVARIANCE is a 
>>> property of any quantum field theory in Flat space times which respects: 
>>> (i) Locality, (ii) Unitarity and (iii) Lorentz Symmetry.
>>> 
>>> Holmlid is producing neutral K mesons. This particle demonstrates CP 
>>> violation,
>>> 
>>> The discovery of CP violation in 1964 in the decays of neutral kaons 
>>> resulted in the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1980 for its discoverers James 
>>> Croninand Val Fitch.
>>> 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP_violation
>>> 
>>> Who can say why LENR produces neutral K mesons? 
> 

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Axil Axil]

K−, negatively charged (containing a strange quark and an up antiquark) has
mass 493.667±0.013 MeV and mean lifetime (1.2384±0.0024)×10−8 s.
K+ (antiparticle of above) positively charged (containing an up quark and a
strange antiquark) must (by CPT invariance) have mass and lifetime equal to
that of K−.

The mass difference is 0.032±0.090 MeV, consistent with zero. The
difference in lifetime is (0.11±0.09)×10−8 s. What's weird is that two
different quarks types are produced out of nothing. You just don't find
strange quarks in ordinary matter.


On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 1:18 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> in physical cosmology ,
> *baryogenesis* is the generic term for the hypothetical physical
> processes that produced an asymmetry
> (imbalance) between baryons
>  and antibaryons produced in the very
> early universe . The baryonic
> matter  that remains today,
> following the baryonic-antibaryonic matter annihilation, makes up the
> universe .
>
> LENR could be responsible for the past and ongoing production of matter in
> the universe in violation of CPT and that negative matter (antibaryons) is
> being sent back in time.
>
> We see excess electrons pop into existence in LENR reactions. Could LENR
> be the GOD reaction? In point of fact, Holmlid is producing electrons from
> nothing in his experiment. Don't get excited, we are just talking here.
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:53 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> CPT THEOREM C(harge) -P(arity=reflection) -T(ime reversal) INVARIANCE is
>> a property of any quantum field theory in Flat space times which respects:
>> (i) Locality, (ii) Unitarity and (iii) Lorentz Symmetry.
>>
>> Holmlid is producing neutral K mesons. This particle demonstrates CP
>> violation,
>>
>> The discovery of CP violation in 1964 in the decays of neutral kaons
>>  resulted in the Nobel Prize in
>> Physics  in 1980
>>  for its
>> discoverers James Cronin and Val
>> Fitch .
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP_violation
>>
>> Who can say why LENR produces neutral K mesons?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Neutral K mesons violates CPT

[Axil Axil]

in physical cosmology ,
*baryogenesis* is the generic term for the hypothetical physical processes
that produced an asymmetry (imbalance)
between baryons  and antibaryons
produced in the very early universe .
The baryonic matter  that remains
today, following the baryonic-antibaryonic matter annihilation, makes up
the universe .

LENR could be responsible for the past and ongoing production of matter in
the universe in violation of CPT and that negative matter (antibaryons) is
being sent back in time.

We see excess electrons pop into existence in LENR reactions. Could LENR be
the GOD reaction? In point of fact, Holmlid is producing electrons from
nothing in his experiment. Don't get excited, we are just talking here.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:53 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> CPT THEOREM C(harge) -P(arity=reflection) -T(ime reversal) INVARIANCE is a
> property of any quantum field theory in Flat space times which respects:
> (i) Locality, (ii) Unitarity and (iii) Lorentz Symmetry.
>
> Holmlid is producing neutral K mesons. This particle demonstrates CP
> violation,
>
> The discovery of CP violation in 1964 in the decays of neutral kaons
>  resulted in the Nobel Prize in
> Physics  in 1980
>  for its
> discoverers James Cronin and Val
> Fitch .
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP_violation
>
> Who can say why LENR produces neutral K mesons?
>
>
>
>
>