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From: Chris Zell
Where can we go beyond lithium? ... That's why the ultracap
approach is so exciting - it's a whole new way to fix the energy
storage problem.
Here is a slant on the bettery (better-battery technology) that
you will likely hear nowhere else. That
new way
to fix the energy storage problem.
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:07 PM
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: Simple comparison electric car versus gasoline
Zell, Chris wrote:
This lack of additional generating
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From: Zell, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: RE: Simple comparison electric car versus gasoline
I have feared that, perhaps, we have encountered fundamental problems
with trying to squeeze more energy density and low
Michel Jullian wrote:
I couldn't agree more about CF, I am all for it, that's why I get so
frustrated that CF issues aren't addressed a bit faster and with
more efficiency, do we want to see this thing working in our lifetime I wonder?
That all depends on politics. If we could persuade the
That's why I think videos of working experiments which would make nice
stories for TV should be taken.
Michel
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From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: Simple comparison electric car versus
: Friday, March 17, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: RE: Simple comparison electric car versus gasoline
I have feared that, perhaps, we have encountered fundamental problems
with trying to squeeze more energy density and low cost efficiency out
of an
electrochemical process such as batteries depend
(copy-paste app number
0040071944, I haven't found how to link directly to the patent)
Michel
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From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: Simple comparison electric car versus gasoline
From
/srchnum.html (copy-paste app number
0040071944, I haven't found how to link directly to the patent)
Michel
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From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: Simple comparison electric car versus gasoline
cheap/safe
storage solution.
Fred
Michel
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From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: Simple comparison electric car versus gasoline
Any way you slice it, Michel battery storage
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:45:30
-0500:
Hi,
[snip]
States with significant wind resources are thousands of miles away,
and you cannot transmit electricity that far. Georgia has no
significant renewable energy resources.
It is a shame you cannot transmit
Jed wrote:
Electricity: 8 cents kWh
You're only paying 8 cents per KWH. I'm paying something like 13.4 cents per
KWH.
Craig Haynie (Houston)
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From: Craig Haynie
You're only paying 8 cents per KWH. I'm paying something like 13.4
cents per KWH.
I pay the co-op, Jackson EMC, 9.4 cents plus sales tax in the Atlanta
suburbs. Keith pays Con Ed 20 cents in Brooklyn. If those ultracaps
that Zell told
: Craig Haynie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 12:41 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Simple comparison electric car versus gasoline
Jed wrote:
Electricity: 8 cents kWh
You're only paying 8 cents per KWH. I'm paying something like 13.4 cents per
KWH.
Craig
Craig Haynie wrote:
You're only paying 8 cents per KWH. I'm paying something like 13.4
cents per KWH.
Here is a map showing residential electric power costs in different states:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/brochure/electricity/electricity.html
The national average in 2003 was just over 8
On Mar 16, 2006, at 7:55 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Plug-in Prius while running as purely electric vehicle, cost per
mile: ~2.6 cents *
We may get away with that for a while, but sooner or later the states
have to find a way to pay for the road maintenance currently paid for
by gas
Horace Heffner wrote:
We may get away with that for a while, but sooner or later the
states have to find a way to pay for the road maintenance currently
paid for by gas taxes. Meanwhile, the lack of road taxes on
electricity is a great and automatic incentive.
I had not thought of that.
10:28 PM
Subject: Re: Simple comparison electric car versus gasoline
Horace Heffner wrote:
We may get away with that for a while, but sooner or later the states have
to find a way to pay for the road maintenance currently paid for by gas
taxes. Meanwhile, the lack of road taxes on electricity
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Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 5:17 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Simple comparison electric car versus gasoline
Jed you made an excellent point here, as amazing as it may seem no
additional generator capacity would be needed (if your maths are right
which they seem
Michel Jullian wrote:
Jed you made an excellent point here, as amazing as it may seem no
additional generator capacity would be needed (if your maths are
right which they seem to be).
Actually, several authors have pointed this out and they have done
more sophisticated analyses. I just ran
at some time or other of the night do you think?
Michel
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From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: Simple comparison electric car versus gasoline
Michel Jullian wrote:
Jed you made an excellent
Zell, Chris wrote:
This lack of additional generating capacity need is partly why a
Really Good Battery would have such a dramatic effect on
society. You create electric cars that run much cheaper per mile
without much need for additional fossil fuel generator use. Indeed,
I think that
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 5:17 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Simple comparison electric car versus gasoline
Jed you made an excellent point here, as amazing as it may seem no
additional generator capacity would be needed (if your maths are right
which
Michel Jullian wrote:
There may be no wind power in Georgia, but your electricity network
may be interconnected with other networks far away where there is
wind power, that's the nicety of these networks (makes up for their ugliness).
States with significant wind resources are thousands of
I wrote:
Now think of a 25 kW cold fusion generator. After 50 years of
intense development, you can imagine one the size of today's 25 kW
portable generators that costs $1,000, or maybe even $500.
In a walk. An ICE costs ~40/kW of capacity, or $750 for 25 kW. After
hundreds of millions of
efficiency, do we want to see this thing working in our lifetime I wonder?
Good night
Michel
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: Simple comparison electric car versus gasoline
Michel
On Mar 16, 2006, at 2:45 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
It is a shame you cannot transmit electricity 2000 miles because if
you could, we could establish a massive solar thermal plant in a
100 square mile area of the Southwest desert, and generate all the
electricity we now consume. Or we could
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