On Dec 3, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Alain dit le Cycliste wrote:
I've look a gain, and I'm still suspect about using ZPE, because
ZPE is only an energy that you cannot use to go below... by
definition.
When you get to nuclear sizes that lower limit is very large.
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
Am 04.12.2011 05:07, schrieb Horace Heffner:
That is because Bill did not call them water thread experiments. My
mistake, and bad memory. The above wasser.html reference was indeed
about water bridge experiments, not Bill Beaty's air thread
experiments, which are a very different thing -
Am 04.12.2011 08:04, schrieb Alain dit le Cycliste:
after defkalion who say they will install a webcam to show
an hyperion working
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17t=587
it seems that rossi agree too for a 24x7 show
Software That Listens for Lies:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/business/lie-detection-software-parses-the-human-voice.html?_r=1nl=todaysheadlinesemc=tha26
The first link for the next issue of my newsletter.
Peter
--
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
On Dec 4, 2011, at 1:10 AM, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 04.12.2011 05:07, schrieb Horace Heffner:
That is because Bill did not call them water thread experiments.
My mistake, and bad memory. The above wasser.html reference was
indeed about water bridge experiments, not Bill Beaty's air
Am 04.12.2011 06:56, schrieb Alain dit le Cycliste:
I've look a gain, and I'm still suspect about using ZPE, because ZPE is
only an energy that you cannot use to go below... by definition.
There are new reports that photons where extracted from ZPE:
On Dec 3, 2011, at 10:04 PM, Alain dit le Cycliste wrote:
after defkalion who say they will install a webcam to show
an hyperion working
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17t=587
it seems that rossi agree too for a 24x7 show
On Dec 4, 2011, at 3:46 AM, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 04.12.2011 06:56, schrieb Alain dit le Cycliste:
I've look a gain, and I'm still suspect about using ZPE, because
ZPE is
only an energy that you cannot use to go below... by definition.
There are new reports that photons where extracted
Am 04.12.2011 13:40, schrieb Horace Heffner:
I am familiar with air ions. The phenomenon measured by Bill Beaty in
the presence of much water vapor, and having nano-amp current, I think
is not made of non-polarized air molecules, but of a contiguous string
of polarized molecules. Here is
On Dec 4, 2011, at 4:09 AM, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 04.12.2011 13:40, schrieb Horace Heffner:
I am familiar with air ions. The phenomenon measured by Bill
Beaty in the presence of much water vapor, and having nano-amp
current, I think is not made of non-polarized air molecules, but
of
Some relevant quotes of interest from Bill Beaty at:
http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/airexp.html
The threads can survive in a zero-field region. I made a crude
thread gun and passed a thread through an accelerator ring composed
of an aluminum bundt pan. I didn't expect this to work, since
Am 04.12.2011 14:30, schrieb Horace Heffner:
Some relevant quotes of interest from Bill Beaty at:
http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/airexp.html
The threads can survive in a zero-field region. I made a crude
thread gun and passed a thread through an accelerator ring composed
of an aluminum
See please:
*Dear Italo:**
I cannot open a camera on our test room, because we make also confidential
operations. Only a plant in regular operation in our Customers’ concerns is
possible.
Warm Regards,
A.R.*
*
*
Translated in English this is: you will not see soon working E-cats
Reason- they
Hi Jones, Yes I did pitch this idea to Moller but his reply indicated that I
needed to be a serious investor before he and Frolov could
Commit any further energy into this pursuit. He is presently engaged in
other work that would preclude much near term effort on his part.
I wanted to sputter
Peter sez:
Dear Italo:
I cannot open a camera on our test room, because we make also
confidential operations. Only a plant in regular operation in our
Customers' concerns is possible.
Translated in English this is: you will not see soon working
E-cats Reason- they cannot stop the ...
On 2011-12-04 16:19, Peter Gluck wrote:
Translated in English this is: you will not see soon working E-cats
Reason- they cannot stop the ... webcam when making confidential
operations as mixing pixie dust and aqua Tofana to nickel.
Should we believe this?
That he doesn't want the general
I propse that the primary motive force responsible for the tracks in
the CO2 mist is not an air stream impacting on the mist. An air
thread serves as an electrical bridge, but it is the local charging of
the mist and the subsequent self repulsion among the charges that is
primary force behind the
If Rossi's operations are, as it sometimes seems, similar in nature to
Steorn's, then it may be sometime before he does another inconclusive
demonstration of some type -- if there even is another. Steorn, in their
now deleted forum, between increasingly long periods of no news, repeatedly
NASA satellite hits car...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgTyiaDmytwob=av3e
Harry
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
If Rossi's operations are, as it sometimes seems, similar in nature to
Steorn's, then it may be sometime before he does another inconclusive
demonstration of some type -- if there even is another. Steorn, in their
now
We're not there yet.. but a 100% accurate lie detector would change everything.
This book is a fun read on the subject: The Truth Machine by James Halperin
http://www.amazon.com/Truth-Machine-Speculative-Novel/dp/0345410564
- Brad
Software That Listens for Lies:
We have the great luck that we don't know liers.
Thank you for signalling the book.
peter
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 8:40 PM, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote:
We're not there yet.. but a 100% accurate lie detector would change
everything.
This book is a fun read on the subject: The Truth
Too bad this is probably like iPhone4S Siri in that it won't work well on
foreigner's accent and speech pattern, otherwise Rossi's speech would be a
perfect test candidate.
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:30 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
Software That Listens for Lies: ..
We have the great luck that we don't know liers.
LOL
From: Peter Gluck
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 7:43 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:can we use such a program?
We have the great luck that we don't know liers.
Thank you for signalling the book.
peter
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011
Not in LENR I want to tell.
Peter
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote:
We have the great luck that we don't know liers.
LOL
*From:* Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Sunday, December 04, 2011 7:43 PM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
Not in LENR I want to tell.
So Rossi is not in LENR?
From: Peter Gluck
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:11 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: can we use such a program?
Not in LENR I want to tell.
Peter
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com
Short of engaging Dr. Lightman (Tim Roth):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie_to_me
I have found watching eye movement to be effective:
http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies_eyes.php
And, no, AR does not display any of the bodily traits of deception.
T
And, no, AR does not display any of the bodily traits of deception.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=uviXoafHWrU
Rossi's face: GOTHCA!
-Messaggio originale-
From: Terry Blanton
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:22 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re:
Yes he is, but I have read many messages here saying he is NOT lying and I
thought I have prejudices against him for the following story:
He claims to be the discoverer of an absolutely new and original Ni-H LENR
method and denies any connection with the achievements of the past.
Newton has used
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Short of engaging Dr. Lightman (Tim Roth):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie_to_me
I have found watching eye movement to be effective:
http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies_eyes.php
And, no, AR does not display any of
Yes he is, but I have read many messages here saying he is NOT lying and I
thought I have prejudices against him for the following story:
Rossi is lying and we have some facts about it.
In an interview (March) he said that he’s not asking money and that he will be
paid ONLY when the 1MW
Lying is one thing, but the subject is also important...
I won't be surprised if, during industrialization, rossi said that it
works, while he had a big problem...
that is common in business. We call that the demo effect...
the method to detect liars is not only to detect the uncontrollable first
In reply to Peter Heckert's message of Sat, 03 Dec 2011 01:36:18 +0100:
Hi,
[snip]
The other problem is, where to get deuterium in pressurized bottles ;-)
[snip]
That one isn't really a problem. Electrolysis can easily produce high gas
pressures. You could do the entire experiment in the D
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.comwrote:
Yes he is, but I have read many messages here saying he is NOT lying
and I thought I have prejudices against him for the following story:
Rossi is lying and we have some facts about it.
In an interview (March) he
Am 04.12.2011 21:57, schrieb mix...@bigpond.com:
In reply to Peter Heckert's message of Sat, 03 Dec 2011 01:36:18 +0100:
Hi,
[snip]
The other problem is, where to get deuterium in pressurized bottles ;-)
[snip]
That one isn't really a problem. Electrolysis can easily produce high gas
Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote:
But yeah, now comes Jed Rothwell saying that this is not lying and that
every businessman like Edison and Jobs done that. Yeah.
I have said repeatedly that I know nothing about Rossi's business affairs,
and I have no idea whether he is lying or
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
But another interesting question is what he may received from secret
investors. He gets offers every day on his blog and even on other people's
blogs! One can only imagine what he gets offered in private.
Yes, one can imagine, but as Fats Waller said,
I've been reading the LENR library ... (mainly looking at theory) and note that
Duncan gave an outsider's view of cf history at
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DuncanRanoutsider.pdf ICCF 15, 2009
(Of course ... he warns against media-release of scientific dicoveries ... )
- Original Message
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
But another interesting question is what he may received from secret
investors. He gets offers every day on his blog and even on other people's
blogs! One can only imagine what
I just posted a slideshow from Dr. Joseph M. Zawodny of NASA Langley
Research Center from the September 22 LENR Workshop.
http://www.ecatplanet.net/content.php?133-LENR-Presentation-by-Joseph-Zawodny-2011
Its a 35 page PowerPoint presentation that covers history, theory,
ramifications, and more.
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government/NASA/20110922NASA-Bushnell-GRC-LENR-Workshop.pdf
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government/NASA/20110922NASA-Nelson-GRC-LENR-Workshop.pdf
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government/NASA/20110922NASA-Zawodny-GRC-LENR-Workshop.pdf
I guess that the qualifications of Michael A. Nelson will annoy some people:
Energy Investigator (Last 5 years as a hobby)
SEARL, Papp Engine, Over unity electric motors, Rossi
2011/12/4 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/**government/NASA/20110922NASA-**
On 2011-12-05 01:44, ecat builder wrote:
I just posted a slideshow from Dr. Joseph M. Zawodny of NASA Langley
Research Center from the September 22 LENR Workshop.
http://www.ecatplanet.net/content.php?133-LENR-Presentation-by-Joseph-Zawodny-2011
Its a 35 page PowerPoint presentation that
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/04/slides-from-sept-22-nasa-
lenr-innovation-forum-workshop/
Quote:
“Rossi changed the game totally.” the witness said. “From the test
plan, the device, everything. There was nothing there that we had
agreed on. He had a 30 liter reservoir in there and
On 2011-12-05 01:48, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government/NASA/20110922NASA-Bushnell-GRC-LENR-Workshop.pdf
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government/NASA/20110922NASA-Nelson-GRC-LENR-Workshop.pdf
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't find this interesting. I think it pointless. You know nothing
about Rossi's business, so this is mere empty speculation, gossip, and
snooping into other people's private business.
You're entitled to your opinion but I think Rossi has made
Fran,
Well, this situation sounds like Moller/Naudin/Frolov are still in denial
about the bone-headed measurement errors of the old work. No surprise.
Moller does not want to go there for fear of compromising the cash flow to
his other profit centers. He is a top fund raiser, as you
Who would play Andrea Rossi in the movies do you think? I would vote for
Bill Nighy.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0631490/
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote:
..
I don't know which is more ridiculous, to put it mildly, my expectations
as expressed above
Actually I am happy to see that NASA is cogent that these seemingly
disparate efforts are all based on the same underlying principles. Between
the power points of Bushnell and Nelson we see the Papp engine, Mills
hydrino, W-L theory and Rossi being considered as a group which as a student
of ZPE I
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/04/slides-from-sept-22-nasa-
lenr-innovation-forum-workshop/
Quote:
“Rossi changed the game totally.” the witness said. “From the test
plan, the device, everything. There was nothing there that we had
agreed on. He had a 30 liter reservoir in there
Or Krivit is simply lying or telling half truths and is being caught with
pats now that these slides are available. He ddin't post the full slides
until ecatbuilder uploaded them.
2011/12/5 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
http://blog.newenergytimes.**com/2011/12/04/slides-from-**
In reply to Peter Heckert's message of Sun, 04 Dec 2011 22:23:08 +0100:
Hi,
[snip]
The problem is, the athmosphere must be absolutely dry.
I have seen D2O costs about 1-3 Euro per milliliter. Possibly it works
with dry D2O steam?
Pass the gas through a cold trap first? (cooled by liquid
Interesting. Long on theory. Short on data.
On Dec 4, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Ahsoka Tano wrote:
Who would play Andrea Rossi in the movies do you think? I would
vote for Bill Nighy.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0631490/
A good choice. Roberto Benigni would be a good choice too, as actor
or director.
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't find this interesting. I think it pointless. You know nothing
about Rossi's business, so this is mere empty speculation, gossip, and
snooping into other people's private
On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Or Krivit is simply lying or telling half truths and is being
caught with pats now that these slides are available. He ddin't
post the full slides until ecatbuilder uploaded them.
The video speaks for itself. Are you saying the video was
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
I guess that the qualifications of Michael A. Nelson will annoy some
people:
Energy Investigator (Last 5 years as a hobby)
SEARL, Papp Engine, Over unity electric motors, Rossi
I only saw the first PDF. Is someone
Why are you asking me?
2011/12/5 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote:
I guess that the qualifications of Michael A. Nelson will annoy some
people:
Energy Investigator (Last 5 years as a hobby)
SEARL, Papp Engine, Over
What video? I am talking about what happened to when NASA personnel visited
Rossi.
2011/12/5 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Or Krivit is simply lying or telling half truths and is being caught with
pats now that these slides are
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote:
http://blog.newenergytimes.**com/2011/12/04/slides-from-**
sept-22-nasa-lenr-innovation-**forum-workshop/http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/04/slides-from-sept-22-nasa-lenr-innovation-forum-workshop/
... On the
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote:
Hard to tell if this should be a Ingmar Bergman like approach or a Woody
Allen kind of farce. Too early to tell I guess.
On the balance, I think Rossi is hilarious, especially when gets angry,
scowls, or rants on
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Why are you asking me?
I'm asking anyone who knows.
On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
What video? I am talking about what happened to when NASA personnel
visited Rossi.
Oh! Sorry!
2011/12/5 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Or Krivit is simply lying or telling half
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
What video? I am talking about what happened to when NASA personnel
visited Rossi.
2011/12/5 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Or Krivit is simply lying or
On Dec 4, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:
Short of engaging Dr. Lightman (Tim Roth):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie_to_me
I have found watching eye movement to be effective:
http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies_eyes.php
And, no, AR does not display any of the bodily traits of
It was merely a statement as to what Nelson had previously investigated. There
was no claim as to merits. It its certainly worth looking at all three
presentations. My take away is that NASA has spent three to four years looking
into LENR on their own. Some of the Piantelli info I've never seen
Why are you so sure of his honesty?
2011/12/5 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote:
What video? I am talking about what happened to when NASA personnel
visited Rossi.
2011/12/5 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
On
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Why are you so sure of his honesty?
Krivit's? First, I have no reason to doubt it. It seems likely that NASA
people did that, saw that and said that. It's consistent with Rossi's
history.
Second, if Krivit is lying
On 11-12-04 09:53 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
mailto:hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/04/slides-from-sept-22-nasa-lenr-innovation-forum-workshop/
... On the second day, when the
The only set of slide notes in the presentation said the following about
WLT:
The theory makes specific, testable predictions. Predictions that can be
inexpensively verified.
-mark
On Dec 4, 2011, at 10:24 AM, Mattia Rizzi wrote:
And, no, AR does not display any of the bodily traits of deception.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=uviXoafHWrU
Rossi's face: GOTHCA!
-Messaggio originale- From: Terry Blanton Sent: Sunday,
December 04, 2011
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting. Long on theory. Short on data.
Long on obfuscation.
A few things that struck me about that presentation:
Slide 13:
Zawodny is up front about the energy needed for electron capture by a
proton,
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
The only set of slide notes in the presentation said the following about
WLT:
“The theory makes specific, testable predictions. Predictions that can be
inexpensively verified.”
Well, one
- Original Nachricht
Von: mix...@bigpond.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 05.12.2011 03:31
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