RE: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1)

2012-09-05 Thread hellokevin
One thing your theory does not seem to cover is why the original Proton + Proton fusion happened in the first place.  On the sun, it's because there's so much gravity holding the protons together.  In a lattice, presumably it's due to the metallic atoms caging the protons close enough together 

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-05 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Conservation of energy is a strong theory, so widely confirmed that questioning it must occur at the fringes, i.e., energy is not necessarily conserved locally under quantum conditions, but these variations average out so that it remains conserved at the macroscopic level. Absent evidence

Re: [Vo]:spoke to soon

2012-09-05 Thread Harvey Norris
Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ --- On Tue, 9/4/12, fznidar...@aol.com fznidar...@aol.com wrote: From: fznidar...@aol.com fznidar...@aol.com Subject: [Vo]:spoke to soon To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012,

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-05 Thread Harry Veeder
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: If the motor goes through a cycle, energy can oscillate between potential and kinetic, but there is no energy gain at any point. If there appears to be, long experience indicates that there is some hidden

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-05 Thread James Bowery
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: For example, there is potential energy stored in a permanent magnet, in the magnetisation. This is one of the quantities that must be entered into the arithmetic I originally requested of the system cited in the

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-05 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On Sep 5, 2012, at 7:14 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: For example, there is potential energy stored in a permanent magnet, in the magnetisation. ... The magnets, however, will lose their magnetization and the motor will run down. This is untrue. There is no such

[Vo]:Ahern's ILENRS-12 Presentation - Energy Localization

2012-09-05 Thread pagnucco
Jed Rothwell just posted ILENRS-12 presentations at: http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=1097 Brian Ahern's presentation Energy Localization proposes that Fermi acceleration (F-A) can intensely concentrate energy on the nanoscale. His example of spring coupled point masses seems to

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-05 Thread Harry Veeder
I think the question of energy stored in a permanent magnet is a redherring. Replace the permanent magnet by a spring. The spring will lose its springiness over time as it is repeatedly compressed. Do we say this is because spring energy is being used up? Harry On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:41 PM,

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Ahern's ILENRS-12 Presentation - Energy Localization

2012-09-05 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Lou, I am ok with the concept you mention [snip] As in endothermic chemical reactions, this is (probably) just an apparent violation of the 2nd Law, except occurring at nuclear/particle scales.[/snip] So like other environmental theories the energy density is simply segregated

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-05 Thread David Roberson
An easy test to prove that the energy is not stored in the top magnet is to hold the device while it slowly rotates in your hand. Locate the point where the torque is minimum and let it go. Be careful to ensure that the upper magnet is not at the top of the fixture at the release point. I

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Ahern's ILENRS-12 Presentation - Energy Localization

2012-09-05 Thread pagnucco
Fran, I would not be surprised if Ahern's energy concentrating mechanism appears in many guises, but is normally so transient and elusive that its existence is doubted. The same math describes seemingly different phenomena. -- LP Roarty, Francis X wrote: Lou, I am ok with the concept

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-05 Thread James Bowery
OK since no arithmetic seems plausible, what about actually obtaining the device in question and running the obvious test: Let it run for a very very long time? On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:58 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: An easy test to prove that the energy is not stored in the

[Vo]:All energy releases cause a mass deficit

2012-09-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: We know of one exception to the conservation of energy, which involves the interchangeability of mass and energy. So the ultimate principle is conservation of mass/energy. However, mass conversion is very much out of the ordinary, and is highly

Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 papers and slides added

2012-09-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Some of these presentations are a little . . . odd. Such as: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/PopaSimilLroadmaptof.pdf Regarding this one: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/FrenchDpatentsanda.pdf . . . my wife thought that slide #5, page 14, showing the angel is unbecoming of an academic web site.

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-05 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:18 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: OK since no arithmetic seems plausible, what about actually obtaining the device in question and running the obvious test: Let it run for a very very long time? Easy test would be to construct three identical perpetual

RE: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-05 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Perhaps the energy is stored in the field? http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/engfie.html As an example, an ignition coil (a step-up transformer) on a car is energized with 12V, and draws a steady current, which generates a magnetic field around the coil. When the current is

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-05 Thread David Roberson
Yes, that would be another test to reveal whether or not it is actually a perpetual motion device. I was looking for a test that would be quick, and easy. All you would need to do is see if the machine rotates at the speed shown in the video. The rate of rotation depends upon the amount of

Re: [Vo]:Ahern's ILENRS-12 Presentation - Energy Localization

2012-09-05 Thread David Roberson
I have seen many instances where the instantaneous value of a noisy system can be many times larger than the average or RMS. Thermal noise is a perfect example. I suspect that rogue ocean waves are in this category. The amount of time during which the extreme amplitude excursion occurs

RE: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1)

2012-09-05 Thread Jones Beene
Hello Kevin – very perceptive about solar gravity, and of course as to this factor being the most difficult property to simulate on Earth, in an effort to frame a working hypothesis for P+P which is similar to the solar model. This subject of “effective pressure” leads to the Casimir

Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 papers and slides added

2012-09-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
The paper by David French about patents is good. I now know a lot more about patents thanks to this, and his lectures. (Granted, I knew practically nothing before.) - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-05 Thread David Roberson
It would be easier to reduce the stored potential energy before the device is allowed to run. The rotation speed is a measure of the kinetic energy that has been derived from the initial stored potential energy due to the magnet location above the drum magnets. Move the drum around slowly to

RE: [Vo]:Ahern's ILENRS-12 Presentation - Energy Localization

2012-09-05 Thread Jones Beene
Ahern under-emphasizes the super-radiance and sub-radiance balance in this paper. If he had made DPSR clear, then there is no primary violation. DPSR - Dicke-Preparata super-radiance - proposes that certain spatial areas can undergo intense semi-coherent energy excursions (localized energy

Re: [Vo]:Ahern's ILENRS-12 Presentation - Energy Localization

2012-09-05 Thread pagnucco
Dave, Yes, a lot of stationary random processes will result in arbitrarily large deviations from the mean, given unlimited time. I think the Fermi(-Ulam) acceleration Ahern cites is different. Given the proper system parameters, acceleration can be certain and (almost) monotonically increasing.

RE: [Vo]:Ahern's ILENRS-12 Presentation - Energy Localization

2012-09-05 Thread pagnucco
Jones, I read his patent months ago. He may address this there. I need to re-read it. LP Jones Beene wrote: Ahern under-emphasizes the super-radiance and sub-radiance balance in this paper. If he had made DPSR clear, then there is no primary violation. DPSR - Dicke-Preparata super-radiance

Re: [Vo]:All energy releases cause a mass deficit

2012-09-05 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:26:17 -0400: Hi, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: We know of one exception to the conservation of energy, which involves the interchangeability of mass and energy. So the ultimate principle is conservation of

[Vo]:Russia Today (news services) hacked?

2012-09-05 Thread Harvey Norris
Rt.com no longer seems available on the internet. Nothing; zip. Google Russia Today news services and see the many URL addresses they show; all leading to the same network solutions website. Went to watch the news this evening and got dead ends. If they were under maintenance, would they say

Re: [Vo]:All energy releases cause a mass deficit

2012-09-05 Thread David Roberson
The phenomena that we are discussing here is important. Jed, I read that same book and it makes a great deal of sense to me as well. One paragraph stated that a hot pan has more mass than a cold one due to the heat energy content. Kinetic energy of protons and electrons can be thought of as

Re: [Vo]:Russia Today (news services) hacked?

2012-09-05 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
it is working for me... Giovanni On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com wrote: Rt.com no longer seems available on the internet. Nothing; zip. Google Russia Today news services and see the many URL addresses they show; all leading to the same network solutions

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2012-09-05 Thread Harvey Norris
Talk about a strange way to advertise! I just got this letter 8 hours later after posting info at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umddUU6viIkfeature=related Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ --- On Wed, 9/5/12, Help

Re: [Vo]:Russia Today (news services) hacked?

2012-09-05 Thread Harvey Norris
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[Vo]:Mats Lewan -- New Magazine

2012-09-05 Thread Alan J Fletcher
I only just found out that Mats now has his own magazine (as managing editor) : http://matslew.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/we-just-launched-next-magasin-on-how-technologys-changing-the-world A few days ago we finally launched Next Magasin – a new magazine on how technology’s changing the world

[Vo]:Big Chill challenges Big Bang

2012-09-05 Thread Harry Veeder
Big Bang Theory Challenged by Big Chill ScienceDaily (Aug. 20, 2012) — The start of the Universe should be modeled not as a Big Bang but more like water freezing into ice, according to a team of theoretical physicists at the University of Melbourne and RMIT University. They have suggested that

Re: [Vo]:All energy releases cause a mass deficit

2012-09-05 Thread fznidarsic
Yes indeed, mass is reduced as matter is converted into energy, however, the gravitational potential energy of the universe always remains in balance with its positive energy. Photons have a gravitational influence. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapter7.html#Pg12 Frank Znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:All energy releases cause a mass deficit

2012-09-05 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:26 PM 9/5/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: We know of one exception to the conservation of energy, which involves the interchangeability of mass and energy. So the ultimate principle is conservation of mass/energy.

Re: [Vo]:All energy releases cause a mass deficit

2012-09-05 Thread David Roberson
This is certainly true over the universe as a whole since mass and energy are equated by the famous E=M*C*C relationship. It is not true for a smaller region where photons and other particles can escape the system boundary. Dave -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com

Re: [Vo]:ILENRS-12 papers and slides added

2012-09-05 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:43 PM 9/5/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Some of these presentations are a little . . . odd. Such as: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/PopaSimilLroadmaptof.pdfhttp://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/PopaSimilLroadmaptof.pdf OMG Regarding this one:

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-05 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 1:24 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Enough time and a little friction will always eventually stop the device if it is a scam. Removing the battery doesn't hurt, either. Eric

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-05 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: Removing the battery doesn't hurt, either. Or, on second thought, the rubber band. Eric

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-05 Thread mixent
In reply to Jouni Valkonen's message of Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:27:51 +0300: Hi, [snip] I'm not sure whether or not it represents stored energy, but if you multiply the MGO of a magnet by it's volume, you get a number of Joules (it's not much BTW). On Sep 5, 2012, at 7:14 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax