Re: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert
I agree about Pollack, indeed I have him to blame for my interest in LENR. I agree that there may well be a closer link between LENR and Jerry's exclusion zone ideas. Indeed, that lies behind the neutrino ideas that I posted here a month or so ago. Nigel On 30/01/2018 17:04, Brian Ahern wrote: Pollack is amazing.His work is uncomfortable for the old guard to incorporate into their world view. CF/LANR should face his observations since they are both looking at effects in liquid water at low electric fields.
Re: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert
Pollack is amazing.His work is uncomfortable for the old guard to incorporate into their world view. CF/LANR should face his observations since they are both looking at effects in liquid water at low electric fields. From: Nigel Dyer Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 11:35 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert I tend to think that his ideas on this specific aspect, the formation of 'exclusion zones' at the surfaces of blood vessels may also be an important factor, and that the two effects may well work in tandem. On 30/01/2018 12:27, Brian Ahern wrote: see gerald pollack for the flow issue. From: Nigel Dyer <mailto:l...@thedyers.org.uk> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 2:56 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert Some years ago I looked at some data covering the motions that are observed on the surface of red blood cells, and cam to the conclusion that it was completely thermal, so probably another instance of nano drumming. I wondered if the surface structure of red blood cells (with its spectrin networks) have evolved to make use of this to help them move through blood vessels, but never followed it up Nigel
Re: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert
I tend to think that his ideas on this specific aspect, the formation of 'exclusion zones' at the surfaces of blood vessels may also be an important factor, and that the two effects may well work in tandem. On 30/01/2018 12:27, Brian Ahern wrote: see gerald pollack for the flow issue. *From:* Nigel Dyer *Sent:* Monday, January 29, 2018 2:56 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert Some years ago I looked at some data covering the motions that are observed on the surface of red blood cells, and cam to the conclusion that it was completely thermal, so probably another instance of nano drumming. I wondered if the surface structure of red blood cells (with its spectrin networks) have evolved to make use of this to help them move through blood vessels, but never followed it up Nigel
Re: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert
see gerald pollack for the flow issue. From: Nigel Dyer Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 2:56 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert Some years ago I looked at some data covering the motions that are observed on the surface of red blood cells, and cam to the conclusion that it was completely thermal, so probably another instance of nano drumming. I wondered if the surface structure of red blood cells (with its spectrin networks) have evolved to make use of this to help them move through blood vessels, but never followed it up Nigel On 26/11/2017 14:58, JonesBeene wrote: In reply to Jack Cole's message: >I found a link to the full paper. Maybe that will help us understand more. > >https://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.06301.pdf<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fpdf%2F1609.06301.pdf&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfd7e03c6ef1345d2ae3908d567526453%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636528525920149805&sdata=9wGLroa57vShxkUizMb9qlRVV1ek7OLxtKxoe4wCYhw%3D&reserved=0>
Re: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert
Some years ago I looked at some data covering the motions that are observed on the surface of red blood cells, and cam to the conclusion that it was completely thermal, so probably another instance of nano drumming. I wondered if the surface structure of red blood cells (with its spectrin networks) have evolved to make use of this to help them move through blood vessels, but never followed it up Nigel On 26/11/2017 14:58, JonesBeene wrote: In reply to Jack Cole's message: >I found a link to the full paper. Maybe that will help us understand more. > >https://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.06301.pdf
RE: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert
In reply to Jack Cole's message: >I found a link to the full paper. Maybe that will help us understand more.. > >https://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.06301.pdf Another case of researchers not doing their homework. The discovery of nanodrumming goes back to 2008 http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/nl8029866 One would think that the authors of the latest paper would have done a minimal online search and given credit to Cal Tech. After all, this phenomenon has been known for at least 9 years. That is what graduate assistants are for, right? I suppose that in defense of the overlooked precedent, they will rationalize that the Cal Tech group “merely” documented the phenomenon (discovered it) and did not convert the free vibrational energy into usable electricity… but as Robin suggests, it is not clear that they did either.
Re: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert
In reply to Jack Cole's message of Sun, 26 Nov 2017 00:49:20 +: Hi, [snip] >It's not completely clear to me where the energy is coming from beyond >heat. The occasional anomalous vibrational waves are converted to >electricity. The researcher makes basically the same claims in the video >as is made in the article. Heat would imply a second law violation. This would only work IMO if they combine it with a "diode". (In the paper they mention a "ratchet mechanism", which is essentially a mechanical diode.) In the article they mention charge transport, but without an electrical diode, I would expect charges to be transported in both directions, with an average net null result. > >I found a link to the full paper. Maybe that will help us understand more. > >https://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.06301.pdf Regards, Robin van Spaandonk local asymmetry = temporary success
Re: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert
It's not completely clear to me where the energy is coming from beyond heat. The occasional anomalous vibrational waves are converted to electricity. The researcher makes basically the same claims in the video as is made in the article. I found a link to the full paper. Maybe that will help us understand more. https://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.06301.pdf Jack On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:23 PM JonesBeene wrote: > > > *From: *Jack Cole > > > > > > > https://www.sciencealert.com/graphene-levy-flights-limitless-power-future-electronic-devices > > > > The abstract here reads very different from the article above and doesn’t > mention limitless energy > > > > https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.117.126801 > > > > Where is the supposed excess energy coming from? ZPE ? > > > > > > BTW - Graphene is easy to make. Robert Murray-Smith has a number of videos > on this. > > > > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4AkVj-qnJxNtKuz3rkq16A > > > > He has an ink which can be printed on paper and is more electrically > conductive than metal. > > > > > > > > >
RE: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert
From: Jack Cole https://www.sciencealert.com/graphene-levy-flights-limitless-power-future-electronic-devices The abstract here reads very different from the article above and doesn’t mention limitless energy https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.117.126801 Where is the supposed excess energy coming from? ZPE ? BTW - Graphene is easy to make. Robert Murray-Smith has a number of videos on this. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4AkVj-qnJxNtKuz3rkq16A He has an ink which can be printed on paper and is more electrically conductive than metal.