Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
Robin, I have always maintained that Casimir geometry can form between the grains of metal powders but the present thread is making a good point regarding the shape of these grains. Perhaps even the term tubercles is still too rounded or organic sounding when we should be considering a reversed pincushion with closely spaced sharp protrusions. I would predict a nominal geometry similar to sticker burrs - growing up on a farm I can recall times where they would pile up 3 and 4 deep just walking through the weeds and time spent trying to carefully remove them without sticking myself. A micro version of nickel burrs would have spiked protrusions relative to the protrusions of neighboring burrs easily on the nano scale and be made even smaller and more rigid by stiction force pulling them together. They would also have the added benefit of abrupt changes in dimensions/ Casimir force since their thickness and vectors are determined by different burrs. http://byzipp.com/burrs.jpg I am also of the opinion that catalytic force derives from rapid changes in Casimir geometry and that this entire field could be considered a study of super catalytic effects on gas law leading to anomalous heat. Regards Fran -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 12:24 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2 In reply to Mark Iverson's message of Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:02:26 -0700: Hi, [snip] But Robin, how about the 2nd half of that excerpt, where the optimal grain-size is more than a micrometer, not nanometers... I would think that a 'tubercle', which is likely composed of numerous 'grains', would be larger than its constituent parts (i.e. a grain)! Rossi tells that he worked every waking hour for six months straight, trying dozens of combinations to find the optimal powder size for the Energy Catalyzer, or E-Cat. He further stresses that specific data about the final optimal grain size cannot be revealed, but can tell us that the most efficient grain size is more in the micrometer range rather than the nanometer range. -Mark Misunderstanding on my part, however I would have expected the tubules to be on the grains, not composed of grains, so a micron size would have provided lots of room for tubules. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
You want Young's Modulus, see Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young%27s_modulus - Original Message - From: Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:02 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2 But Robin, how about the 2nd half of that excerpt, where the optimal grain-size is more than a micrometer, not nanometers... I would think that a 'tubercle', which is likely composed of numerous 'grains', would be larger than its constituent parts (i.e. a grain)! Rossi tells that he worked every waking hour for six months straight, trying dozens of combinations to find the optimal powder size for the Energy Catalyzer, or E-Cat. He further stresses that specific data about the final optimal grain size cannot be revealed, but can tell us that the most efficient grain size is more in the micrometer range rather than the nanometer range. -Mark -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:23 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2 In reply to Mark Iverson's message of Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:33:15 -0700: Hi, [snip] The tubercles are essential in order for the reaction rate to reach levels high enough for the implied total power output per volume or mass to reach orders of magnitude kW/kg - this level of power density is required for any useful application of the process. When the guy is the States published his story on Hydrogen sensors using tubules of Ti2O, I wrote to him and pointed out that 22+ nm matched the wavelength of the second harmonic of the ground state of H. I.e. a photon with a wavelength of 45 nm is a match for a 27.2 eV Mills energy hole, and a wavelength of 22+ nm is a match for a 54.4 eV energy hole. What's the bet that Rossi is creating tubules with close to the correct dimensions (i.e. 45 nm, or a fraction thereof e.g. 1/2, 1/3 etc.). At ~200eV per H, I would guess about 1/4 i.e. 10-11 nm. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
I expect this report is exaggerated or confused. NASA is not charged with authority to devise a program to make cold fusion the main energy source for the world. That is far beyond their mandate. Heck, they don't even have rockets anymore. I wonder if it was Rossi who claimed that NASA is doing this. It is a little unclear from this report who said what. In this report, Rossi's statements about some technical details differ substantially with the statements made by Defkalion on their web site and web-site forum. For example, Rossi claims there are 300 cells in a 1 MW Defkalion Hyperion reactor. Defkalion says there are 100 cells in a 3 MW prototype. I think Rossi and the people at Defkalion should sit down and review the designs, and they should publish accurate information in agreement from both sides. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
Damon, Nasa wants a cheap power source in order to deliver cargo to the orbit. And power for ion engines that enable fast deep space missions to the asteroids, Mars and beyond. E-Cat is perfect power source for aeroplane, but it can be applied also for launch vehicle. On Jul 13, 2011 2:14 PM, Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: What does NASA have to say about this? On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: http://ecatreport.com/e-cat/andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-part-22 *The management team of both Defkalion and AmpEnergo will meet on the 14th July (2011) together with NASA...*
RE: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
This is all conjecture, but I thought that it may be a fun exercise. IF Defkalion's statements are true (that's a big IF): Defkalion is running ahead of Rossi on this. In one of the post-press-announcement interviews, Defkalion's rep is asked if Rossi is building e-Cats for their 1 MW plant. He makes some statement to the effect of (I don't have the quote in front of me, so this is a rough approximation) Rossi says that he is, but we are making all parts, including the reactors, in house. He struck me as very dismissive of Rossi's claims that Rossi was building anything for Deflkalion. Defkalion has also appeared dismissive of Rossi's public demonstrations. They are already putting together and testing in megawatts. Defkalion has stated that individual reactors are being driven to 30 KW, and they've used alternate coolants. They are testing microturbines for electricity generation. In that EVWorld article, the photo shows Rossi, Focardi and Stremmenos testing what appear to be mass-produced e-Cats (I would guess Defkalions, not Rossi's). Rossi may be trying to stay relevant here, especially as he's left the American and military markets for himself. If current trajectories prevail, he may be importing Hyperions to the US Market, while trying to walk in the lead of a speeding locomotive. Jed's comment that Rossi and Defkalion need to get their stories straight just had me thinking, - if Rossi is in Miami, is Defkalion running ahead without him? Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:21:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2 From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com I expect this report is exaggerated or confused. NASA is not charged with authority to devise a program to make cold fusion the main energy source for the world. That is far beyond their mandate. Heck, they don't even have rockets anymore. I wonder if it was Rossi who claimed that NASA is doing this. It is a little unclear from this report who said what. In this report, Rossi's statements about some technical details differ substantially with the statements made by Defkalion on their web site and web-site forum. For example, Rossi claims there are 300 cells in a 1 MW Defkalion Hyperion reactor. Defkalion says there are 100 cells in a 3 MW prototype. I think Rossi and the people at Defkalion should sit down and review the designs, and they should publish accurate information in agreement from both sides. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
Everything would be OK, if and when Defkalion would show us a small army of Hyperions, working at their site. They told me on the forum that they have already tested combinations of max 6 devices in the kW range and of 115 devices in the MW range. Xanthi is not so far from my house (Cluj) but would they let me to visit the factory? Peter On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: This is all conjecture, but I thought that it may be a fun exercise. IF Defkalion's statements are true (that's a big IF): Defkalion is running ahead of Rossi on this. In one of the post-press-announcement interviews, Defkalion's rep is asked if Rossi is building e-Cats for their 1 MW plant. He makes some statement to the effect of (I don't have the quote in front of me, so this is a rough approximation) Rossi says that he is, but we are making all parts, including the reactors, in house. He struck me as very dismissive of Rossi's claims that Rossi was building anything for Deflkalion. Defkalion has also appeared dismissive of Rossi's public demonstrations. They are already putting together and testing in megawatts. Defkalion has stated that individual reactors are being driven to 30 KW, and they've used alternate coolants. They are testing microturbines for electricity generation. In that EVWorld article, the photo shows Rossi, Focardi and Stremmenos testing what appear to be mass-produced e-Cats (I would guess Defkalions, not Rossi's). Rossi may be trying to stay relevant here, especially as he's left the American and military markets for himself. If current trajectories prevail, he may be importing Hyperions to the US Market, while trying to walk in the lead of a speeding locomotive. Jed's comment that Rossi and Defkalion need to get their stories straight just had me thinking, - if Rossi is in Miami, is Defkalion running ahead without him? -- Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:21:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2 From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com I expect this report is exaggerated or confused. NASA is not charged with authority to devise a program to make cold fusion the main energy source for the world. That is far beyond their mandate. Heck, they don't even have rockets anymore. I wonder if it was Rossi who claimed that NASA is doing this. It is a little unclear from this report who said what. In this report, Rossi's statements about some technical details differ substantially with the statements made by Defkalion on their web site and web-site forum. For example, Rossi claims there are 300 cells in a 1 MW Defkalion Hyperion reactor. Defkalion says there are 100 cells in a 3 MW prototype. I think Rossi and the people at Defkalion should sit down and review the designs, and they should publish accurate information in agreement from both sides. - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
Just consider this sentence... After the initial meeting with NASA, Defkalion GT and Ampenergo will sit down and develop a joint program for the introduction of the E-Cat as a main energy source to the world. and break it down... After the initial meeting with NASA, Defkalion GT and Ampenergo will sit down and develop a joint program for the introduction of the E-Cat as a main energy source to the world. It doesn't say NASA will sit down with Defkalion GT and Ampenergo. Replace the with by a comma and then I might get excited :) After the initial meeting, NASA, Defkalion GT and Ampenergo will sit down and develop a joint program for the introduction of the E-Cat as a main energy source to the world. Colin
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
... or at least to get their speech in synch :) 2011/7/13 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com I...I think Rossi and the people at Defkalion should *sit down and review the designs*, and they should publish accurate information in agreement from both sides. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: What the heck are you talking about?!? Of course it delivers more than you put into it. This is a peculiar thing to say. What a pecular thing so say. I've read closely the Levi, Kullander and Essen, and Levan reports and haven't found convincing evidence of exothermic behavior. Have you read these reports? If so, where do you find the evidence? What possible market would it have? Folks like you. Of course he knows the difference! He is an engineer, and a self-made millionaire from his previous energy-related inventions. I'm sure Mr Rossi is an engineer of a sort, etc. How is this relevant psychology?
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
Jed, NASA previously looked at Black Light Power as a possible propulsion source and I think it is this possibility that still has them interested in these hydrogen plasmas. I remain of the opinion that there is an initial ZPE reaction that occurs when hydrogen reactions are migrating between regions with different vacuum energy densities. DiFore Et all were unable to detect anything with stacked cavities but AFAIK nobody has tested for asymmetry in a moving plasma/powder. Regards Fran From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:21 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2 I expect this report is exaggerated or confused. NASA is not charged with authority to devise a program to make cold fusion the main energy source for the world. That is far beyond their mandate. Heck, they don't even have rockets anymore. I wonder if it was Rossi who claimed that NASA is doing this. It is a little unclear from this report who said what. In this report, Rossi's statements about some technical details differ substantially with the statements made by Defkalion on their web site and web-site forum. For example, Rossi claims there are 300 cells in a 1 MW Defkalion Hyperion reactor. Defkalion says there are 100 cells in a 3 MW prototype. I think Rossi and the people at Defkalion should sit down and review the designs, and they should publish accurate information in agreement from both sides. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
In reply to Mark Iverson's message of Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:24:19 -0700: Hi, [snip] Another tidbit, but from part 1 of 2... The post-reaction analysis shows a copper isotope ratio of Cu 63/Cu 65 ~ 1.6, while the natural occurrence show a ratio of Cu 63/Cu 65 ~ 2.24 which is a statistically significant difference. That, of course, excludes contamination as an explanation of Copper content in the post reaction samples. -Mark If some form of isotope enrichment is part of the process, then one might expect the ratio to vary somewhat, especially if the isotope enrichment is more accidental than deliberate and a byproduct of the construction process. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
In reply to Mark Iverson's message of Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:33:15 -0700: Hi, [snip] The tubercles are essential in order for the reaction rate to reach levels high enough for the implied total power output per volume or mass to reach orders of magnitude kW/kg - this level of power density is required for any useful application of the process. When the guy is the States published his story on Hydrogen sensors using tubules of Ti2O, I wrote to him and pointed out that 22+ nm matched the wavelength of the second harmonic of the ground state of H. I.e. a photon with a wavelength of 45 nm is a match for a 27.2 eV Mills energy hole, and a wavelength of 22+ nm is a match for a 54.4 eV energy hole. What's the bet that Rossi is creating tubules with close to the correct dimensions (i.e. 45 nm, or a fraction thereof e.g. 1/2, 1/3 etc.). At ~200eV per H, I would guess about 1/4 i.e. 10-11 nm. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
But Robin, how about the 2nd half of that excerpt, where the optimal grain-size is more than a micrometer, not nanometers... I would think that a 'tubercle', which is likely composed of numerous 'grains', would be larger than its constituent parts (i.e. a grain)! Rossi tells that he worked every waking hour for six months straight, trying dozens of combinations to find the optimal powder size for the Energy Catalyzer, or E-Cat. He further stresses that specific data about the final optimal grain size cannot be revealed, but can tell us that the most efficient grain size is more in the micrometer range rather than the nanometer range. -Mark -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:23 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2 In reply to Mark Iverson's message of Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:33:15 -0700: Hi, [snip] The tubercles are essential in order for the reaction rate to reach levels high enough for the implied total power output per volume or mass to reach orders of magnitude kW/kg - this level of power density is required for any useful application of the process. When the guy is the States published his story on Hydrogen sensors using tubules of Ti2O, I wrote to him and pointed out that 22+ nm matched the wavelength of the second harmonic of the ground state of H. I.e. a photon with a wavelength of 45 nm is a match for a 27.2 eV Mills energy hole, and a wavelength of 22+ nm is a match for a 54.4 eV energy hole. What's the bet that Rossi is creating tubules with close to the correct dimensions (i.e. 45 nm, or a fraction thereof e.g. 1/2, 1/3 etc.). At ~200eV per H, I would guess about 1/4 i.e. 10-11 nm. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
In reply to mix...@bigpond.com's message of Fri, 15 Jul 2011 08:22:30 +1000: Hi, Oops! Having never heard of tubercles, I just assumed it was a language problem! It was - mine! :( In reply to Mark Iverson's message of Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:33:15 -0700: Hi, [snip] The tubercles are essential in order for the reaction rate to reach levels high enough for the implied total power output per volume or mass to reach orders of magnitude kW/kg - this level of power density is required for any useful application of the process. When the guy is the States published his story on Hydrogen sensors using tubules of Ti2O, I wrote to him and pointed out that 22+ nm matched the wavelength of the second harmonic of the ground state of H. I.e. a photon with a wavelength of 45 nm is a match for a 27.2 eV Mills energy hole, and a wavelength of 22+ nm is a match for a 54.4 eV energy hole. What's the bet that Rossi is creating tubules with close to the correct dimensions (i.e. 45 nm, or a fraction thereof e.g. 1/2, 1/3 etc.). At ~200eV per H, I would guess about 1/4 i.e. 10-11 nm. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
In reply to Peter Gluck's message of Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:08:15 +0300: Hi, [snip] Everything would be OK, if and when Defkalion would show us a small army of Hyperions, working at their site. They told me on the forum that they have already tested combinations of max 6 devices in the kW range and of 115 devices in the MW range. Xanthi is not so far from my house (Cluj) but would they let me to visit the factory? Peter Have you asked them? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
In reply to Mark Iverson's message of Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:02:26 -0700: Hi, [snip] But Robin, how about the 2nd half of that excerpt, where the optimal grain-size is more than a micrometer, not nanometers... I would think that a 'tubercle', which is likely composed of numerous 'grains', would be larger than its constituent parts (i.e. a grain)! Rossi tells that he worked every waking hour for six months straight, trying dozens of combinations to find the optimal powder size for the Energy Catalyzer, or E-Cat. He further stresses that specific data about the final optimal grain size cannot be revealed, but can tell us that the most efficient grain size is more in the micrometer range rather than the nanometer range. -Mark Misunderstanding on my part, however I would have expected the tubules to be on the grains, not composed of grains, so a micron size would have provided lots of room for tubules. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
No, because I cannot travel from reasons of health, more precisely lack of it Peter On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 7:20 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Peter Gluck's message of Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:08:15 +0300: Hi, [snip] Everything would be OK, if and when Defkalion would show us a small army of Hyperions, working at their site. They told me on the forum that they have already tested combinations of max 6 devices in the kW range and of 115 devices in the MW range. Xanthi is not so far from my house (Cluj) but would they let me to visit the factory? Peter Have you asked them? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
The plot thickens. It may very well be that the device doesn't have to deliver more energy than put into it. It may have a market even if it fails this criterion. I get odd feeling that Mr. Rossi may not know the difference. On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: On 2011-07-13 02:55, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2011-07-13 02:31, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://ecatreport.com/e-cat/**andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-**part-22http://ecatreport.com/e-cat/andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-part-22 Ah, sorry, I just noticed (too late...) that you did actually quote that as well. I must be blind to text in italics (as it was rendered on my screen from your message). Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
What does NASA have to say about this? On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: http://ecatreport.com/e-cat/andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-part-22 *The management team of both Defkalion and AmpEnergo will meet on the 14th July (2011) together with NASA...*
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
Damon Craig wrote: The plot thickens. It may very well be that the device doesn't have to deliver more energy than put into it. What the heck are you talking about?!? Of course it delivers more than you put into it. This is a peculiar thing to say. It may have a market even if it fails this criterion. What possible market would it have? I get odd feeling that Mr. Rossi may not know the difference. Of course he knows the difference! He is an engineer, and a self-made millionaire from his previous energy-related inventions. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
Another tidbit, but from part 1 of 2... The post-reaction analysis shows a copper isotope ratio of Cu 63/Cu 65 ~ 1.6, while the natural occurrence show a ratio of Cu 63/Cu 65 ~ 2.24 which is a statistically significant difference. That, of course, excludes contamination as an explanation of Copper content in the post reaction samples. -Mark _ From: Alan J Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 5:31 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2 http://ecatreport.com/e-cat/andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-part-22 Defkalion GT has hired a separate team of people in order to get this in place because of the complexity of the issue. The biggest problem has been to find an auto-destruct mechanism that is not harmful while still fulfilling its purpose. I am still not sure if the mechanism is fully developed as of yet, but Defkalion GT who is responsible for its development has told me that all details have been solved and that the E-Cat now has 12 levels of security. The management team of both Defkalion and AmpEnergo will meet on the 14th July (2011) together with NASA for an important discussion regarding the research and business development around the E-Cat. After the initial meeting with NASA, Defkalion GT and Ampenergo will sit down and develop a joint program for the introduction of the E-Cat as a main energy source to the world. [ and they DID ask the steam question. ]
RE: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
Smaller is not necessarily better... here's an interesting tidbit from the ecatreport. Andrea Rossi stresses that, although one might first think the finer the better because the finer the powder the more surface area per volume you get, this is not the case. Because in order to reach useful reaction rates with hydrogen, the powder needs to processed in a way that leads to amplified tubercles on the surface. The tubercles are essential in order for the reaction rate to reach levels high enough for the implied total power output per volume or mass to reach orders of magnitude kW/kg - this level of power density is required for any useful application of the process. Rossi tells that he worked every waking hour for six months straight, trying dozens of combinations to find the optimal powder size for the Energy Catalyzer, or E-Cat. He further stresses that specific data about the final optimal grain size cannot be revealed, but can tell us that the most efficient grain size is more in the micrometer range rather than the nanometer range. -Mark _ From: Alan J Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 5:31 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2 http://ecatreport.com/e-cat/andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-part-22 Defkalion GT has hired a separate team of people in order to get this in place because of the complexity of the issue. The biggest problem has been to find an auto-destruct mechanism that is not harmful while still fulfilling its purpose. I am still not sure if the mechanism is fully developed as of yet, but Defkalion GT who is responsible for its development has told me that all details have been solved and that the E-Cat now has 12 levels of security. The management team of both Defkalion and AmpEnergo will meet on the 14th July (2011) together with NASA for an important discussion regarding the research and business development around the E-Cat. After the initial meeting with NASA, Defkalion GT and Ampenergo will sit down and develop a joint program for the introduction of the E-Cat as a main energy source to the world. [ and they DID ask the steam question. ]
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
Didn't you know this contradicts Sven Kullander's statement that the post reaction sample ratio Cu 63/Cu 65 ~ 2.24? When asked about this in his blog several weeks ago, Rossi said Kullander is right. So Rossi continues to supply the media with conflicting information. Harry From: Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:24:19 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2 Another tidbit, but from part 1 of 2... The post-reaction analysis shows a copper isotope ratio of Cu 63/Cu 65 ~ 1.6, while the natural occurrence show a ratio of Cu 63/Cu 65 ~ 2.24 which is a statistically significant difference. That, of course, excludes contamination as an explanation of Copper content in the post reaction samples. -Mark From: Alan J Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 5:31 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2 http://ecatreport.com/e-cat/andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-part-22 Defkalion GT has hired a separate team of people in order to get this in place because of the complexity of the issue. The biggest problem has been to find an auto-destruct mechanism that is not harmful while still fulfilling its purpose. I am still not sure if the mechanism is fully developed as of yet, but Defkalion GT who is responsible for its development has told me that all details have been solved and that the E-Cat now has 12 levels of security. The management team of both Defkalion and AmpEnergo will meet on the 14th July (2011) together with NASA for an important discussion regarding the research and business development around the E-Cat. After the initial meeting with NASA, Defkalion GT and Ampenergo will sit down and develop a joint program for the introduction of the E-Cat as a main energy source to the world. [ and they DID ask the steam question. ]
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
At 05:25 AM 7/13/2011, Damon Craig wrote: What does NASA have to say about this? On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Alan J Fletcher mailto:a...@well.coma...@well.com wrote: http://ecatreport.com/e-cat/andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-part-22http://ecatreport.com/e-cat/andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-part-22 The management team of both Defkalion and AmpEnergo will meet on the 14th July (2011) together with NASA... What do you think? I can imagine Krivit calls them up, and someone says this: Meeting with Andrea Rossi? Who is that? I have no information about this. And then Krivit headlines, NASA denies meeting with Rossi. Or maybe he won't fall into that trap. Hope springs eternal.
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
At 08:55 PM 7/12/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2011-07-13 02:31, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://ecatreport.com/e-cat/andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-part-22 The following excerpt from the above interview is wow news to me. Is NASA going to get actively involved with Rossi? Wow again if true: The management team of both Defkalion and AmpEnergo will meet on the 14th July (2011) together with NASA for an important discussion regarding the research and business development around the E-Cat. After the initial meeting with NASA, Defkalion GT and Ampenergo will sit down and develop a joint program for the introduction of the E-Cat as a main energy source to the world. People do jump to conclusions, don't they? Almost certainly, meeting with NASA means meeting with someone affiliated with NASA. That might mean practically nothing, or it might be significant. As with much about Rossi, we simply cannot tell from the verifiable information. Nobody asked Rossi, it seems, the obvious question. Oh, you are meeting with NASA? With whom? I can imagine what Rossi would have then said, if asked, Oh, I can't say that, it's confidential, for obvious reasons. Wait until October, [etc., etc]. Next question?
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
Rossi is using tubercles to increase the cross-section of his reaction well over what can be produced in a well ordered nickel lattice. A tubercle is a mound created on the metal’s surface. Rossi is using these tubercles to disrupt the regularity of the nickel lattice to increase the strength of the atomic bonds of the nickel atoms. When there is a lattice defect on the surface of a lattice, the coordination number (CN) of the atoms that form the defect decreases. As a result, the remaining atomic bonds shorten and deform; this increases the strength of the remaining bonds of the nickel atoms on the walls in and around the tubercles. These atomic CN imperfections induce bond contraction and the associated bond-strength gain deepens the potential well of the trapping in the surface skin. This CN reduction also produces an increase of charge density, energy, and mass of the enclosed hydrogen contained in the relaxed surface skin imperfection. This increased density is far higher than it normally would be at other sites inside the solid. Because of this energy densification, surface stress and tension that is in the dimension of energy density will increase in the relaxed region of the disruption lattice bonds. For example, when a phonon wave breaks upon the surface imperfection, it is amplified by the abrupt discontinuity in the lattice and is concentrated by the increased bond-order-length-strength (BOLS) of the nickel atoms that form the walls of the cavity. This tight coupling allows the thermodynamic feedback mechanism to control and mediate the reaction. It also amplifies and focuses the compressive effects that phonons have on the hydrogen contained in the lattice defects. These defects increase the intensity of the electron screening because of the increased bond tension inside the defects. Nano-defects are very tough. This toughness and associated resistance to melting and stress is conducive to the production of high pressure inside the defect. Rossi has stated that his temperature of his nano-powder can reach 1600C before it melts. Nano-powder usually melts well below the 1350c melting point of bulk nickel in a regular lattice. This revelation informs us how much Rossi has increased the strength and available atomic bond tension in his nano-powder. The smaller the dimensions of the lattice surface defect, the greater is the multiplier on the hardness and the resistance to stress compared to the bulk material. These multiplier factors can range from 3 to 10 based on the properties of the bulk material. Multilayer sites that penetrate down through many lattice layers are more resilient than surface defects. There toughness is proportional to the detailed topology and therefore not generally determined. There is a certain minimum size which one reached reduces the hardness of the nano-defect site. This size is on the order of less than 10 nanometers. On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.netwrote: ** Smaller is not necessarily better... here's an interesting tidbit from the ecatreport. ** *Andrea Rossi stresses that, although one might first think “the finer the better” because the finer the powder the more surface area per volume you get, this is not the case. Because in order to reach useful reaction rates with hydrogen, the powder needs to processed in a way that leads to amplified tubercles on the surface.* *The tubercles are essential in order for the reaction rate to reach levels high enough for the implied total power output per volume or mass to reach orders of magnitude kW/kg – this level of power density is required for any useful application of the process.* *Rossi tells that he worked every waking hour for six months straight, trying dozens of combinations to find the optimal powder size for the Energy Catalyzer, or E-Cat. He further stresses that specific data about the final optimal grain size cannot be revealed, but can tell us that the most efficient grain size is more in the micrometer range rather than the nanometer range.* -Mark** -- *From:* Alan J Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 12, 2011 5:31 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2 http://ecatreport.com/e-cat/andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-part-22 *Defkalion GT has hired a separate team of people in order to get this in place because of the complexity of the issue. The biggest problem has been to find an auto-destruct mechanism that is not harmful while still fulfilling its purpose. I am still not sure if the mechanism is fully developed as of yet, but Defkalion GT who is responsible for its development has told me that all details have been solved and that the E-Cat now has 12 levels of security. The management team of both Defkalion and AmpEnergo will meet on the 14th July (2011) together with NASA for an important discussion regarding the
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
http://ecatreport.com/e-cat/andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-part-22 Below follows a stylized E-Cat QA section part 2 /2 from the interview with Andrea Rossi in Stockholm, 5th July 2011 ...Question: Finally, how do you measure the amount of non-vaporized water in the steam? Answer: This has unfortunately been a big issue in the media lately, while at the same time it is a no-brainer in-house. One should never forget that heat measurements are one of the first things that high school children learn in physics class and that to inquiry five different independent physics professors about this is just plain silly. The instruments used, measures the water content in grams per cubic meter and the question whether it is measured by mass or volume should thereby have been settled once and for all. Next thing to do would be to question the German manufacturer of the instrument if one wants the fuzz to continue. Here is a picture of the label of the German instrument from manufacturer Testo for anyone who wish to enquire this further... JPS = just plain silly...
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iridescent -- my phonetic spelling terrible this 24 hours, sitting beside my wife Sondra in Physicians Medical Center Hospital in Santa Fe, New Mexico, and for another 48 hours, after her successful R hip replacement yesterday morning, anterior surgery from the front of the thigh in less than an hour, with porous titanium ball and socket with high density polyethylene cup -- she already sat up on the edge of her bed, dangling her legs -- used to be a flamenco dancer and expert acupuncturist -- found this via Facebook: Hildegard von Bingen (1098-1179) - O Jerusalem -- FractAlkemist for the Ultimate Mandelbrot set travel 9:46 min video with female chorus chant vocal: Rich Murray 2011.12.13 theprof1958 4,845 videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnkPV5cAV8cfeature=player_embedded#at=50 9:46 minutes with female chorus chant vocal Uploaded by theprof1958 on May 6, 2010 Ensemble Sequentia thanks to FractAlkemist for the Ultimate Mandelbrot set travel http://www.youtube.com/FractAlkemist
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
damnest nonsense I've ever seen -- I still hope that amid the mass ascension of varied hot air balloons all over, that at least one reproducible little CF effect emerges, however humble, as the catalyst for a mass stampede of scientists... but, mostly, expect irredescent popping bubbles...
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
On 2011-07-13 02:31, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://ecatreport.com/e-cat/andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-part-22 The following excerpt from the above interview is wow news to me. Is NASA going to get actively involved with Rossi? Wow again if true: * * * The management team of both Defkalion and AmpEnergo will meet on the 14th July (2011) together with NASA for an important discussion regarding the research and business development around the E-Cat. After the initial meeting with NASA, Defkalion GT and Ampenergo will sit down and develop a joint program for the introduction of the E-Cat as a main energy source to the world. * * * Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
On 2011-07-13 02:55, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2011-07-13 02:31, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://ecatreport.com/e-cat/andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-part-22 Ah, sorry, I just noticed (too late...) that you did actually quote that as well. I must be blind to text in italics (as it was rendered on my screen from your message). Cheers, S.A.
