RE: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-23 Thread Jones Beene
Sorry, but I find none of these reports believable – especially in light of the fact that a major High-Tech company, Thermacore, ran Ni + K2CO3 cells continuously for over on year – with over a hundred thousand watt-hours of net thermal gain, and with top notch radiation detection equipment -

RE: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-23 Thread Jones Beene
My bad, Eric. And I need to set the record straight on this important detail - since Randell Mills did find tritium - over twenty years ago - and before he decided to distance himself from LENR ! Once again, America's Newton shoots himself in the foot ! Too bad. Ed Storms, whose memory is

RE: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-23 Thread Jones Beene
One final point on all of this relates to another elusive genius - JS Brown - and his Superconducting Protons in Metals arXiv:cond-mat/0504019v1 The hitherto neglected phonon-exchange interaction between interstitial protons in metal lattices is found to be large. It is shown that this effect may

Re: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-23 Thread Axil Axil
I think the difference in tritium production is electrical discharge. Degenerate electrons might open some path or channel to the production of tritium. Remember that there is always some Deuterium in water. Electrolysis might be the path to produce tritium. Thermacore – no Electrolysis – no

Re: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: As for Srinivasan, Rothwell reported that he has directly contradicted, in verbal discussions, some of his own prior paper’s conclusions. That may be overstating it. I sent a memo to Srinivasan, copied to Beene. I describing what I recall about

Re: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-23 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: If we wanted to get really twisted here ... we could propose not only Brown's paired-protons, operating a unit - but also to have them mate with a Mills' hydrino hydride, at deep redundancy so you go all the way from

RE: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-22 Thread Jones Beene
Eric - perhaps the original post should have been phrased as “zero believable evidence”… instead of zero evidence. The paper does constitute putative “evidence” after all – actually rather convincing if it could be taken at face value. Romodanov is a mystery. If what he was seeing and

Re: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-22 Thread integral.property.serv...@gmail.com
Jones, Not valuable. No market. Who would buy it? What would you use it for? Half-life of tritium (hydrogen-3) is 12.3 yr. Warm Regards, Reliable, a thinking person Jones Beene wrote: Eric - perhaps the original post should have been phrased as “zero believable evidence”… instead of zero

Re: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: The overage which is in play in this hypothesis is the mystery energy source for Ni-H reactions, whether they be from Mills, Rossi, DGT, Piantelli, Celani, or Thermacore. It is technically nuclear energy, since it comes from a nucleus - but it does not

Re: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Now I know how people felt when isotopes were discovered. I meant that isotopes came as a surprise, and people initially questioned the experimental results rather than believe there variations in the weight of an element. It is an interesting episode in the history of science. I

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-22 Thread Roarty, Francis X
_ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 8:10 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash From: Jed Rothwell Jones Beene wrote: IOW the mass of hydrogen is not a quantum value

Re: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash : Rossi -- changed

2012-05-22 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Rossi --- see #4 Carlo Salvi May 21st, 2012 at 12:59 PM Dear Mr Rossi About the new 600° celsius e-cat: 1)Does it start with the same time of the the “first” ecat or is it more faster to began to work ? 2)Does it uses the same quantity of Ni/H ? 3)Do you think it still can work for 6 month

Re: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-22 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Eric - perhaps the original post should have been phrased as “zero believable evidence”… instead of zero evidence. The paper does constitute putative “evidence” after all – actually rather convincing if it could be taken

RE: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-21 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com Hi Robin, Either shrinking releases energy or it consumes energy. If it can no longer absorb EUV radiation to further shrink then it consumes energy. Yes, of course. Mills believes that below a certain level this process can be autocatalytic

Re: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-21 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 21 May 2012 07:26:19 -0700: Hi Jones, [snip] -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com Hi Robin, Either shrinking releases energy or it consumes energy. If it can no longer absorb EUV radiation to further shrink then it consumes energy.

Re: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: IOW the mass of hydrogen is not a quantum value, and there is no rationale that predicts it will be a single value instead of a range. In fact, mass determination of hydrogen, from various labs in various countries varies all over the place. You are

RE: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-21 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell Jones Beene wrote: IOW the mass of hydrogen is not a quantum value, and there is no rationale that predicts it will be a single value instead of a range. In fact, mass determination of hydrogen,

Re: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-21 Thread integral.property.serv...@gmail.com
Jones, ability to make macroscopic particle predictions based on microscopic properties is called Statistical Mechanics, a function of the distribution of the system on its micro-states. From nothing comes a point with predicted properties. Aha, this one reminds me of what the experimental

Re: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-21 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Since there is zero evidence of high energy gammas in Ni-H reaction, and zero evidence of radioactivity in the ash - and only slight evidence of soft spectrum radiation, Tritium is radioactive, so the evidence of

Re: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-21 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Tritium is radioactive, so the evidence of radioactivity in the ash of the Ni-H reaction is nonzero. If we allow Ni + H2O, I can provide two additional references in support of tritium generation and, implicitly,

Re: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-20 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 19 May 2012 06:54:33 -0700: Hi Jones, [snip] In a hybrid Millsean understanding, gammas and especially soft x-rays in the range of several hundred eV up to 10s of keV range are expected. Hard gammas are not expected. These softer gammas happen on the

Re: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-19 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 12:20 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Also, does anyone have references to replicated experiments with the Ni-H systems regarding the ash products? I am aware of the many excellent results that have been published in reference to the palladium

RE: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-19 Thread Jones Beene
From: Eric Walker …. no less than eleven LENR experiments in which gammas were produced, in two cases from an Ni-H system. The detail that is remarkable is that the levels are well below what would be expected for the energy that is produced...

Re: [Vo]:Nickel-hydrogen nuclear ash

2012-05-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
I do not know of any solid information on Ni cold fusion reactions or products. I wish I did. We really need that. - Jed