Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Visual evidence of dense hydrogen
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 16 May 2018 12:10:51 -0400: Hi, [snip] >In proton 21 resuts > >http://proton-21.com.ua/science_02_en.html > >Results of experiments >on collective nuclear reactions >in superdense substance > >Proton 21 has seen > >"the mass spectra reveal the masses equal to 253, 264, 394, 395, 433, and >434 >which do not yield to any interpretation and identification, i.e., they are >absent among all the >known isotope combinations given in the typical catalogs." A more prosaic explanation would be the presence of molecular ions, or perhaps ionized atomic clusters. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk local asymmetry = temporary success
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Visual evidence of dense hydrogen
Low-energy nuclear reactions and the leptonic monopole Georges Lochak*, Leonid Urutskoev** http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LochakGlowenergyn.pdf This experiment also shows transmutation in uranium and titanium that is produced by the exposition of a titanium wire in water, It also shows strange radiation. "In 1998, to solve some applied problem, our research group studied the electric explosion of titanium foil in water. By pure accident, in mass-spectrometric analysis of the titanium powder formed after the electric explosion, we noted a pronounced distortion of the natural isotope composition of titanium." "We focus on the isotope shift in detail because it proves that low-energy nuclear reactions did, in fact occur." In the light of near identical experiments, if Mills would look at the isotopic composition of the silver(and other elements) wire, he would see a shift away from the natural isotopic abundance. Are experimenters absolutely honest? Is it possible that experimenters will not reveal all their results to maintain funding for their research? For example, one fellow who has been suspected in concealing flaws in his systems over the years is Rossi. On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 12:58 PM, Russ wrote: > The TOF SIMs equipment Mills has in his lab is known to be more than > sufficient to identify composition and isotope ratios in his materials. He > clearly bought that equipment precisely to study such possible > transmutation possibilities. I give him the benefit of the doubt that he is > not blowing faked metallic smoke. > > > > Mills has years ago shown at ACS/APS meetings polymer plastic made with > his hydrinos that demonstrated similar anomalous magnetic properties. Give > the guy the courtesy of being taken at his word. > > > > If you want to propose an entirely different interpretation of this work > it is up to you to conduct the experiments and produce the data to > substantiate your hypothesis. If you are unable and/or unwilling to do the > work and provide equivalent data then you might consider getting a job as a > book or movie critic. > > > > But this digresses into the age old argument between experimentalists who > actually do original work and armchair theorists who claim to be uniquely > able to read into the experimental work of others whatever they wish to > support their untested ideas. > > > > > > *From:* Axil Axil > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:11 PM > *To:* vortex-l > *Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Visual evidence of dense hydrogen > > > > This Mills experiment is not the first one that has been done. Proton 21 > has been at this stuff for years. If Mills were to look for transmutation > in his metal smoke, he would find it as the Proton 21 project has found. > Experimenters should sit in an armchair are see what has be done in the > past: they night not need to work so hard in duplicating what has been done > many times before. > > > > In proton 21 resuts > > > > http://proton-21.com.ua/science_02_en.html > > > > Results of experiments > > on collective nuclear reactions > > in superdense substance > > > > Proton 21 has seen > > > > "the mass spectra reveal the masses equal to 253, 264, 394, 395, 433, and > 434 > > which do not yield to any interpretation and identification, i.e., they > are absent among all the > > known isotope combinations given in the typical catalogs." > > > > This stuff is most likely Ultra dense material. There is strange radiation > observations documented that most likely is this Ultra dense material on > the move. > > > > Regarding: "Mills is either a fool or a fraud". He does not want to see > anything that would disprove his theories. > > > > On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 9:52 AM, Roarty, Francis X < > francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: > > OK, that might explain why the bulk material didn’t collapse and cling to > the tool the researcher used to attract it. Mills has always talked about > his hydrinos being part and parcel with hydrides and I never believed these > exotic types of hydrogen can persist outside of the cavity environment but > you seem to be suggesting that this gaseous smoke still contains a metal > matrix like aerojels!? The polaritons by definition are on metal surfaces, > now marooned in an airborne bulk with its buoyancy from the held dense > hudrogen? I cant see a closed cell effect like aerojels. > > Fran > > > > *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:22 PM > *To:* vortex-l > *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Visual evidence of dense hydrogen > > > > IMHO, this smoke is metal hydride nanoparticles that
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Visual evidence of dense hydrogen
The TOF SIMs equipment Mills has in his lab is known to be more than sufficient to identify composition and isotope ratios in his materials. He clearly bought that equipment precisely to study such possible transmutation possibilities. I give him the benefit of the doubt that he is not blowing faked metallic smoke. Mills has years ago shown at ACS/APS meetings polymer plastic made with his hydrinos that demonstrated similar anomalous magnetic properties. Give the guy the courtesy of being taken at his word. If you want to propose an entirely different interpretation of this work it is up to you to conduct the experiments and produce the data to substantiate your hypothesis. If you are unable and/or unwilling to do the work and provide equivalent data then you might consider getting a job as a book or movie critic. But this digresses into the age old argument between experimentalists who actually do original work and armchair theorists who claim to be uniquely able to read into the experimental work of others whatever they wish to support their untested ideas. From: Axil Axil Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:11 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Visual evidence of dense hydrogen This Mills experiment is not the first one that has been done. Proton 21 has been at this stuff for years. If Mills were to look for transmutation in his metal smoke, he would find it as the Proton 21 project has found. Experimenters should sit in an armchair are see what has be done in the past: they night not need to work so hard in duplicating what has been done many times before. In proton 21 resuts http://proton-21.com.ua/science_02_en.html Results of experiments on collective nuclear reactions in superdense substance Proton 21 has seen "the mass spectra reveal the masses equal to 253, 264, 394, 395, 433, and 434 which do not yield to any interpretation and identification, i.e., they are absent among all the known isotope combinations given in the typical catalogs." This stuff is most likely Ultra dense material. There is strange radiation observations documented that most likely is this Ultra dense material on the move. Regarding: "Mills is either a fool or a fraud". He does not want to see anything that would disprove his theories. On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 9:52 AM, Roarty, Francis X mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> > wrote: OK, that might explain why the bulk material didn’t collapse and cling to the tool the researcher used to attract it. Mills has always talked about his hydrinos being part and parcel with hydrides and I never believed these exotic types of hydrogen can persist outside of the cavity environment but you seem to be suggesting that this gaseous smoke still contains a metal matrix like aerojels!? The polaritons by definition are on metal surfaces, now marooned in an airborne bulk with its buoyancy from the held dense hudrogen? I cant see a closed cell effect like aerojels. Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com <mailto:janap...@gmail.com> ] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:22 PM To: vortex-l mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Visual evidence of dense hydrogen IMHO, this smoke is metal hydride nanoparticles that are covered on their surface with polaritons. The polaritons are the source of the magnetism that binds the nanoparticles togither. The SunCell uses this smoke to form a dusty plasma that can produce a self sustaining LENR reaction. On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:57 AM, JonesBeene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net> > wrote: This video is (reputedly) what dense hydrogen looks like, in response to a strong magnet – https://youtu.be/Epenv-PPLJM Somewhat mind boggling, shall we say. If not dense hydrogen, it is unclear what else the ghostly filaments could be. Apparently it is paramagnetic and possibly superfluidic, whereas hydrogen is a diamagnetic, invisible gas. Or more to the point – what else could one do with the material to proved its identity/characteristics? One of the things (phenomena) which comes to mind … LOL … “ectoplasm” which is somewhat fitting given the circumstances.
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Visual evidence of dense hydrogen
This Mills experiment is not the first one that has been done. Proton 21 has been at this stuff for years. If Mills were to look for transmutation in his metal smoke, he would find it as the Proton 21 project has found. Experimenters should sit in an armchair are see what has be done in the past: they night not need to work so hard in duplicating what has been done many times before. In proton 21 resuts http://proton-21.com.ua/science_02_en.html Results of experiments on collective nuclear reactions in superdense substance Proton 21 has seen "the mass spectra reveal the masses equal to 253, 264, 394, 395, 433, and 434 which do not yield to any interpretation and identification, i.e., they are absent among all the known isotope combinations given in the typical catalogs." This stuff is most likely Ultra dense material. There is strange radiation observations documented that most likely is this Ultra dense material on the move. Regarding: "Mills is either a fool or a fraud". He does not want to see anything that would disprove his theories. On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 9:52 AM, Roarty, Francis X < francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: > OK, that might explain why the bulk material didn’t collapse and cling to > the tool the researcher used to attract it. Mills has always talked about > his hydrinos being part and parcel with hydrides and I never believed these > exotic types of hydrogen can persist outside of the cavity environment but > you seem to be suggesting that this gaseous smoke still contains a metal > matrix like aerojels!? The polaritons by definition are on metal surfaces, > now marooned in an airborne bulk with its buoyancy from the held dense > hudrogen? I cant see a closed cell effect like aerojels. > > Fran > > > > *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:22 PM > *To:* vortex-l > *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Visual evidence of dense hydrogen > > > > IMHO, this smoke is metal hydride nanoparticles that are covered on their > surface with polaritons. The polaritons are the source of the magnetism > that binds the nanoparticles togither. The SunCell uses this smoke to form > a dusty plasma that can produce a self sustaining LENR reaction. > > > > On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:57 AM, JonesBeene wrote: > > > > This video is (reputedly) what dense hydrogen looks like, in response to a > strong magnet – > > > > https://youtu.be/Epenv-PPLJM > > > > Somewhat mind boggling, shall we say. If not dense hydrogen, it is unclear > what else the ghostly filaments could be. > > > > Apparently it is paramagnetic and possibly superfluidic, whereas hydrogen > is a diamagnetic, invisible gas. > > > > Or more to the point – what else could one do with the material to proved > its identity/characteristics? > > > > One of the things (phenomena) which comes to mind … LOL … “ectoplasm” > which is somewhat fitting given the circumstances. > > > > > > > > >
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Visual evidence of dense hydrogen
You can remain quiet and have people think you are crazy, or you can open your mouth and leave no doubt. Mills is quiet in this video, because he does not want to invite closer examination. From: Russ Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 10:11 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Visual evidence of dense hydrogen To suggest that Mills has not looked at this ‘magnetic smoke’ sufficiently to eliminate it being made of magnetic metal is to suggest that Mills is either a fool or a fraud. Given that such wild speculation by armchair pundits is surely more of an exercise in ego and not an earnest effort to lend useful comments. From: Roarty, Francis X Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 2:53 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Visual evidence of dense hydrogen OK, that might explain why the bulk material didn’t collapse and cling to the tool the researcher used to attract it. Mills has always talked about his hydrinos being part and parcel with hydrides and I never believed these exotic types of hydrogen can persist outside of the cavity environment but you seem to be suggesting that this gaseous smoke still contains a metal matrix like aerojels!? The polaritons by definition are on metal surfaces, now marooned in an airborne bulk with its buoyancy from the held dense hudrogen? I cant see a closed cell effect like aerojels. Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:22 PM To: vortex-l mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Visual evidence of dense hydrogen IMHO, this smoke is metal hydride nanoparticles that are covered on their surface with polaritons. The polaritons are the source of the magnetism that binds the nanoparticles togither. The SunCell uses this smoke to form a dusty plasma that can produce a self sustaining LENR reaction. On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:57 AM, JonesBeene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote: This video is (reputedly) what dense hydrogen looks like, in response to a strong magnet – https://youtu.be/Epenv-PPLJM<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FEpenv-PPLJM&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce38e954edcc84df82e7008d5bb36f88f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636620767126728629&sdata=fDEEy80Dje6ZKrw8%2BQ56mLinuboSQ6qZ%2BXl1iM%2F8jQo%3D&reserved=0> Somewhat mind boggling, shall we say. If not dense hydrogen, it is unclear what else the ghostly filaments could be. Apparently it is paramagnetic and possibly superfluidic, whereas hydrogen is a diamagnetic, invisible gas. Or more to the point – what else could one do with the material to proved its identity/characteristics? One of the things (phenomena) which comes to mind … LOL … “ectoplasm” which is somewhat fitting given the circumstances.
Re: [Vo]:Visual evidence of dense hydrogen
There are some interesting thoughts here and in the YouTube comments. It is a bit surprising that no one mentioned “polywater” since the exploding wire was taking place in a cloud chamber with high moisture content - and the filaments we see are supposedly high in water/hydride content which could be bound together with the remnants of the wire. The remnants are possibly nanoparticles of silver (if the wire was silver) – more likely nano-fibers instead of particles. Curiously, silver nanowires are widely studied - and readily available online - and are transparent. The milky color would be due to hydriding. The Wiki piece on polywater is one of the most poorly written explanations ever to show up there. The author got this episode of history completely wrong. Polywater was not “disproved” per se, but instead was shown to be a real phenomenon not of pure water. It was not polymerized – but can be called “structured mineralized water” which was misnamed and mischaracterized by sloppy US scientists looking for grants based on fear mongering of Soviet research (in the Sputnik days). In effect, polywater could probably be made in an alternate way using filaments of metal nanofibers, so we are talking about almost the same thing. Polaritons may not be required, but dense hydrogen could be required for the magnetic properties. Polywater alone would not be paramagnetic unless made with minerals like iron oxide. An almost identical phenomenon was most likely discovered back in the cold war but it is now improved– especially when using a wire which is catalytic for dense hydrogen, which is the new wrinkle – thanks to Mills. If it has not been mentioned before – silver is one of Mills favored catalysts for ground state redundancy. But why does BRLP not collect the filaments in a filter for further testing? One suspects the lifetime is limited… or else Mills does not want to give away too much information. From: Roarty, Francis X OK, that might explain why the bulk material didn’t collapse and cling to the tool the researcher used to attract it. Mills has always talked about his hydrinos being part and parcel with hydrides and I never believed these exotic types of hydrogen can persist outside of the cavity environment but you seem to be suggesting that this gaseous smoke still contains a metal matrix like aerojels!? The polaritons by definition are on metal surfaces, now marooned in an airborne bulk with its buoyancy from the held dense hudrogen? I cant see a closed cell effect like aerojels. Fran From: Axil Axil IMHO, this smoke is metal hydride nanoparticles that are covered on their surface with polaritons. The polaritons are the source of the magnetism that binds the nanoparticles togither. The SunCell uses this smoke to form a dusty plasma that can produce a self sustaining LENR reaction. JonesBeene wrote: This video is (reputedly) what dense hydrogen looks like, in response to a strong magnet https://youtu.be/Epenv-PPLJM Somewhat mind boggling, shall we say. If not dense hydrogen, it is unclear what else the ghostly filaments could be. Apparently it is paramagnetic and possibly superfluidic, whereas hydrogen is a diamagnetic, invisible gas. Or more to the point – what else could one do with the material to proved its identity/characteristics? One of the things (phenomena) which comes to mind … LOL … “ectoplasm” which is somewhat fitting given the circumstances.
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Visual evidence of dense hydrogen
To suggest that Mills has not looked at this ‘magnetic smoke’ sufficiently to eliminate it being made of magnetic metal is to suggest that Mills is either a fool or a fraud. Given that such wild speculation by armchair pundits is surely more of an exercise in ego and not an earnest effort to lend useful comments. From: Roarty, Francis X Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 2:53 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Visual evidence of dense hydrogen OK, that might explain why the bulk material didn’t collapse and cling to the tool the researcher used to attract it. Mills has always talked about his hydrinos being part and parcel with hydrides and I never believed these exotic types of hydrogen can persist outside of the cavity environment but you seem to be suggesting that this gaseous smoke still contains a metal matrix like aerojels!? The polaritons by definition are on metal surfaces, now marooned in an airborne bulk with its buoyancy from the held dense hudrogen? I cant see a closed cell effect like aerojels. Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:22 PM To: vortex-l mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Visual evidence of dense hydrogen IMHO, this smoke is metal hydride nanoparticles that are covered on their surface with polaritons. The polaritons are the source of the magnetism that binds the nanoparticles togither. The SunCell uses this smoke to form a dusty plasma that can produce a self sustaining LENR reaction. On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:57 AM, JonesBeene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net> > wrote: This video is (reputedly) what dense hydrogen looks like, in response to a strong magnet – https://youtu.be/Epenv-PPLJM Somewhat mind boggling, shall we say. If not dense hydrogen, it is unclear what else the ghostly filaments could be. Apparently it is paramagnetic and possibly superfluidic, whereas hydrogen is a diamagnetic, invisible gas. Or more to the point – what else could one do with the material to proved its identity/characteristics? One of the things (phenomena) which comes to mind … LOL … “ectoplasm” which is somewhat fitting given the circumstances.
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Visual evidence of dense hydrogen
OK, that might explain why the bulk material didn’t collapse and cling to the tool the researcher used to attract it. Mills has always talked about his hydrinos being part and parcel with hydrides and I never believed these exotic types of hydrogen can persist outside of the cavity environment but you seem to be suggesting that this gaseous smoke still contains a metal matrix like aerojels!? The polaritons by definition are on metal surfaces, now marooned in an airborne bulk with its buoyancy from the held dense hudrogen? I cant see a closed cell effect like aerojels. Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:22 PM To: vortex-l Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Visual evidence of dense hydrogen IMHO, this smoke is metal hydride nanoparticles that are covered on their surface with polaritons. The polaritons are the source of the magnetism that binds the nanoparticles togither. The SunCell uses this smoke to form a dusty plasma that can produce a self sustaining LENR reaction. On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:57 AM, JonesBeene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote: This video is (reputedly) what dense hydrogen looks like, in response to a strong magnet – https://youtu.be/Epenv-PPLJM Somewhat mind boggling, shall we say. If not dense hydrogen, it is unclear what else the ghostly filaments could be. Apparently it is paramagnetic and possibly superfluidic, whereas hydrogen is a diamagnetic, invisible gas. Or more to the point – what else could one do with the material to proved its identity/characteristics? One of the things (phenomena) which comes to mind … LOL … “ectoplasm” which is somewhat fitting given the circumstances.
Re: [Vo]:Visual evidence of dense hydrogen
IMHO, this smoke is metal hydride nanoparticles that are covered on their surface with polaritons. The polaritons are the source of the magnetism that binds the nanoparticles togither. The SunCell uses this smoke to form a dusty plasma that can produce a self sustaining LENR reaction. On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:57 AM, JonesBeene wrote: > > > This video is (reputedly) what dense hydrogen looks like, in response to a > strong magnet – > > > > https://youtu.be/Epenv-PPLJM > > > > Somewhat mind boggling, shall we say. If not dense hydrogen, it is unclear > what else the ghostly filaments could be. > > > > Apparently it is paramagnetic and possibly superfluidic, whereas hydrogen > is a diamagnetic, invisible gas. > > > > Or more to the point – what else could one do with the material to proved > its identity/characteristics? > > > > One of the things (phenomena) which comes to mind … LOL … “ectoplasm” > which is somewhat fitting given the circumstances. > > > > > > >
