Re: [WAMUG] March General Meeting

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Good morning,
I’m disappointed to have missed out on the meeting last night. The agenda 
contained a great variety of topics of interest. 

I hope those who didn’t ignore their meeting reminders ‍, found it valuable. 

Tim Law

> On 4 Mar 2024, at 3:17 pm, Maureen Smith via WAMUG  
> wrote:
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>    Hello Fellow WAMUGgers,
> 
>   This is a reminder that our March meeting takes place tomorrow, Tuesday
>   March 5th
> 
>   Meeting topics will include
> 
> * Pay Pal & security online.
> * Password management.
> * Cookies not the eating kind.
> * The new Shopping list on Reminders
> 
>   MEETING AND LOGIN DETAILS
> 
>   Date: Tuesday 5th March
> 
>   Time: 07:30 PM (Usually lasts an hour)
> 
>   Zoom Meeting Link:  [1]https://bit.ly/3InLdLm
> 
>   Meeting ID: 874 0246 3328
> 
>   Passcode: 983007
> 
>   If you have problems with the link or prefer to go 'Old School', follow
>   these instructions.
> 
> 
>1. Type [1][2]zoom.us into your browser's address bar.
>2. At the login screen, click the Join button. (located on the black
>   coloured bar, third from the right)
>3. At the Join Meeting screen, type in the meeting ID included in
>   thisemail
>4. Finally, click Allow on the dialog box shown in your browser. Ifyou
>   don't see a dialogue, click the Launch Meeting button
> 
>   We will be there waiting and looking forward to seeing you.
> 
>   Cheers,
> 
>   Maureen
> 
> References
> 
>   1. https://bit.ly/3InLdLm
>   2. http://zoom.us/
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Re: [WAMUG] Finder - Recents.

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Hi Tony,

I think you lose the file. 

Regards

Tim

> On 12 Oct 2023, at 5:06 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis via WAMUG 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Guy’s 
> Just a question, when opening the FINDER it opens with RECENT, can I just 
> delete all of the recent activity? Or will I lose the original files?
> 
> I know that I should know the answer but I’m just making sure.
> 
> Thanks all
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Tony Francis
> 
> BODDINGTON
> 
> W.A.
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Re: [WAMUG] iPad WiFi connectivity

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Hello Walter,

Are you using Apple Mail on the iPad, or something else, Gmail for example.  I 
don’t have an answer, but thought it might help clarify for others. 

One solution is for you to buy me an overseas ticket, Europe would be nice, and 
I can test the iPad out over there. :-) 

Regards

Tim



> On 9 Jun 2023, at 9:52 am, FW via WAMUG  wrote:
> 
> Good Morning all,
> 
> I have a question regarding the receiving and sending of emails on the iPad.
> 
> In my home LAN I can receive and send emails via WiFi.
> Also when I go somewhere and log into another LAN.
> 
> Overseas I can only receive emails but not send.
> 
> Sometime ago I was told that some mail setting  had to be changed/added in 
> order to send emails.
> I can’t remember what it was.
> 
> Anyone has any idea what it is ?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> cheers
> 
> Walter
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[WAMUG] ChatGPT

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Sorry to miss the meeting last night. 

Was there a favoured ChatGPT that came from the discussion?

Tim Law
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Re: [WAMUG] Recording a video of my screen

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

I’ve been living under a rock Peter.  :-) 

> On 22 Feb 2023, at 7:48 am, Peter Hinchliffe via WAMUG 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, this would have been my immediate response. I think it’s been around 
> since at least Sierra (corrections invited!).
> 
>> On 21 Feb 2023, at 10:25 am, Tim Law via WAMUG  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Mike,
>> 
>> I’ve found command shift 5 works too. 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
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Re: [WAMUG] Recording a video of my screen

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Hello Walter,

I’m using VLC Version 3.0.18 Vetinari (Intel 64bit) on an iMac running Ventura 
13.2.1

I don’t often have a need to use it, but it’s worked for me today with good 
conversion from a big sized .mov to a much more emailable .m4v with 
consequential of loss of quality. 

Regards

Tim

> On 21 Feb 2023, at 1:03 pm, FW via WAMUG  wrote:
> 
> I thought VLC player was no longer working ?
> 
> Cheers, Walter
> 
>> On 21 Feb 2023, at 10:55 , Tim Law via WAMUG  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Mike, like you,  I took a while to find the Stop button up on the Menu bar 
>> at the top of the screen so wanted to Trim the movie. I found it was easy to 
>> do without using iMovie by selecting the movie in the Finder. Then the 
>> preview pane on the right side has some options down the bottom, including 
>> Trim. Using that I was able to move the slider along like you do in an iOS, 
>> to remove the extra shots. 
>> 
>> I will see if my recipients can view the .mov file. If not, I know iMovie 
>> can Export at .mp4 and other formats. 
>> 
>> VLC Player also exports as .m4v
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>>> On 21 Feb 2023, at 10:25 am, Tim Law via WAMUG  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Mike,
>>> 
>>> I’ve found command shift 5 works too. 
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>>> On 21 Feb 2023, at 10:12 am, Mike Murray via WAMUG 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> QuickTime Player…"new screen recording" Various options include full 
>>>> screen, parts of the screen. Make sure you check save on desktop. Stop 
>>>> recording by finding the tiny little ’stop’ button that appears in the 
>>>> menu bar (took me gaes to work out how to stop). Saves on your desktop as 
>>>> ’screen recording ..time”. Edit in iMovie. 
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Mike
>>>> 
>>>>> On 21 Feb 2023, at 9:54 am, Tim Law via WAMUG  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good morning,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am wanting to record what I am seeing on my screen. I can do a 
>>>>> screenshot using command shift 4 but that is a single moment. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The context is that I am an admin of a Facebook group and want to show 
>>>>> other admins how to find various things. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I could set up my iPad and point it at the screen, but this seems rather 
>>>>> cumbersome. Does anyone know of a way of doing this?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tim
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>>>> 
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>>>> International +618 9339 8078
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>>>> 
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Re: [WAMUG] Recording a video of my screen

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Mike, like you,  I took a while to find the Stop button up on the Menu bar at 
the top of the screen so wanted to Trim the movie. I found it was easy to do 
without using iMovie by selecting the movie in the Finder. Then the preview 
pane on the right side has some options down the bottom, including Trim. Using 
that I was able to move the slider along like you do in an iOS, to remove the 
extra shots. 

I will see if my recipients can view the .mov file. If not, I know iMovie can 
Export at .mp4 and other formats. 

VLC Player also exports as .m4v

Regards

Tim


> On 21 Feb 2023, at 10:25 am, Tim Law via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Mike,
> 
> I’ve found command shift 5 works too. 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Tim
> 
>> On 21 Feb 2023, at 10:12 am, Mike Murray via WAMUG 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> QuickTime Player…"new screen recording" Various options include full screen, 
>> parts of the screen. Make sure you check save on desktop. Stop recording by 
>> finding the tiny little ’stop’ button that appears in the menu bar (took me 
>> gaes to work out how to stop). Saves on your desktop as ’screen recording 
>> ..time”. Edit in iMovie. 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Mike
>> 
>>> On 21 Feb 2023, at 9:54 am, Tim Law via WAMUG  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning,
>>> 
>>> I am wanting to record what I am seeing on my screen. I can do a screenshot 
>>> using command shift 4 but that is a single moment. 
>>> 
>>> The context is that I am an admin of a Facebook group and want to show 
>>> other admins how to find various things. 
>>> 
>>> I could set up my iPad and point it at the screen, but this seems rather 
>>> cumbersome. Does anyone know of a way of doing this?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Tim
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>> 
>> 
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>> TimeTrackers
>> PO Box 197
>> Melville, 6956
>> Western Australia
>> 
>> Tel (08) 9339 8078
>> International +618 9339 8078
>> Mob 0407 669 376
>> 
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>> education, publishing, film-making and DNA consulting
>> 
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Re: [WAMUG] Recording a video of my screen

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Thanks Mike,

I’ve found command shift 5 works too. 

Regards

Tim

> On 21 Feb 2023, at 10:12 am, Mike Murray via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
> QuickTime Player…"new screen recording" Various options include full screen, 
> parts of the screen. Make sure you check save on desktop. Stop recording by 
> finding the tiny little ’stop’ button that appears in the menu bar (took me 
> gaes to work out how to stop). Saves on your desktop as ’screen recording 
> ..time”. Edit in iMovie. 
> 
> Cheers
> Mike
> 
>> On 21 Feb 2023, at 9:54 am, Tim Law via WAMUG  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning,
>> 
>> I am wanting to record what I am seeing on my screen. I can do a screenshot 
>> using command shift 4 but that is a single moment. 
>> 
>> The context is that I am an admin of a Facebook group and want to show other 
>> admins how to find various things. 
>> 
>> I could set up my iPad and point it at the screen, but this seems rather 
>> cumbersome. Does anyone know of a way of doing this?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Tim
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> 
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[WAMUG] Recording a video of my screen

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Good morning,

I am wanting to record what I am seeing on my screen. I can do a screenshot 
using command shift 4 but that is a single moment. 

The context is that I am an admin of a Facebook group and want to show other 
admins how to find various things. 

I could set up my iPad and point it at the screen, but this seems rather 
cumbersome. Does anyone know of a way of doing this?

Thanks

Tim
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[WAMUG] Lurker unmasked

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Thanks for welcoming me onto the Zoom WAMUG meeting tonight. Nice to put faces 
to names. 

I’ve run Apple products since….. oh way back well before the turn of the 
century. Probably around 1987 and been a WAMUG participant for a long time, but 
never attended a WAMUG zoom meeting before. 

- Did I learn some things tonight. Yes. 
- Was it a worthwhile hour of my life? Yes. 
- Will I dial in again?  Yes.
- Was it all far too technical? Far from it. Friendly helpful and interesting 
hearing how other people have the same simple challenges as I do. 

Cheers to the hosts and the participants. 

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Re: [WAMUG] Splitting iPhoto library connected to iCloud

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Good to know Rosemary, Thanks. 

> On 27 Jan 2023, at 4:31 pm, Rosemary Spark via WAMUG 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Hi there,
>   I use PowerPhotos. It can create new libraries, find duplicates, move
>   photos from one library to another ...or merge them. They've been
>   around since iPhoto and are still going strong. Pretty good support
>   when things go wrong...even from driver error!
>   [1]https://www.fatcatsoftware.com/
>   $29.95 (probably US)
>   You can download a free trial, and there's a 30-day money-back
>   guarantee.
>   Cheers
>   Rosemary Spark
>   PO Box 781
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>   Phone: + 61 ‭8 6397 6822‬
>   Mobile: 0414268043
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>   On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 at 14:38, Tim Law via WAMUG
>   <[3]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote:
> 
> Good afternoon.
> I’m using Ventura 13.2, the latest software on a 2017 iMac. I have a
> 180Gb iPhoto library connected to iCloud and am reaching the 200Gb
> limit. I don’t want to purchase more data from iCloud and want to
> split off library into separate libraries.  All photos are also
> stored on my computer, then backed up with Time Machine and also
> onto two separate disks using Carbon Copy Cloner.
> I have found the way to create a new library, but when I try to
> import photos from the large library, I am blocked access as it is
> being shared with iCloud.
> My thought is that I stop the sharing with iCloud, then import the
> photos. Reconnect the original library to iCloud and delete them.
> Any tips or links to useful tutorials that are written to be
> relevent to things such as Shared Libraries available since Ventura
> would be appreciated.
> Thanks
> Tim
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Re: [WAMUG] Splitting iPhoto library connected to iCloud

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Thanks Daniel

Some creative ideas there. I can see how they would work. Thanks. 

We’re living in Beverley which is an awful lot hotter than down the hill at the 
moment, so I’m needing to entertain myself with inside projects. 

Tim Law

> On 24 Jan 2023, at 8:14 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim
> 
> There’s probably a few ways you could tackle this (And others may have some 
> other options),..but the way’s I would think of doing it would be as follows 
> - 
> (And this can depend on how many albums and things you have).
> 
> 1. You could do as you mention, and stop it sharing with iCloud then start it 
> again. But sometimes this can look like it’ll take ages to stop and restart 
> it.
> 
> 2. Duplicate the whole “Photo Library” in your Pictures folder. Once 
> duplicated you can rename it to something like “Photo Library Archive”. Then 
> open this new one you’ve just made and remove all the current photos you have 
> in your iCloud Library (the main one). And delete all the new photos. This 
> will make this one your “archived” old photos. So nothing new in this one.
> Then open your “main” library and remove all the old photos from this one, 
> just keeping the new ones you want.
> This would then give you two Libraries. Library A being the “main one synced 
> with iCloud” and Library B being the Archived photos. Both would then be 
> different sizes.
> 
> 3. Create a new Library and call it say Photo Library 2022. 
> From your main Library create a Smart Album with the criteria of photos from 
> 01/01/2022 to 31/12/2022. 
> Export all these photos out into a folder. Then import them all into the new 
> Photo Library 2022. Once all there you can then delete them from the “main 
> Library”.
> Repeat this for other years. Eg Photo Library 2021. Another Smart Album with 
> date range 01/01/2021 to 31/12/2021. 
> And so on for each other year.
> Once finished you’ll then have lots of Photo Library  and your 
> “main” Photo Library (Sharing with iCloud). Each would be a smaller library 
> and lots of them. And can be opened and saved to external drives.
> 
> 4. Another option I haven’t thought of yet? The above are the main ones that 
> come to mind off the top of my head anyway,….
> 
> Of course, with any of this,…make sure you have 2 copies backed up everywhere 
> before (and after?) you start as well, so if anything goes wrong you’ve got 
> things to go back to.
> 
> Hope something there may help?
> 
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> Daniel
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>> On 24 Jan 2023, at 2:38 pm, Tim Law via WAMUG  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Good afternoon. 
>> 
>> I’m using Ventura 13.2, the latest software on a 2017 iMac. I have a 180Gb 
>> iPhoto library connected to iCloud and am reaching the 200Gb limit. I don’t 
>> want to purchase more data from iCloud and want to split off library into 
>> separate libraries.  All photos are also stored on my computer, then backed 
>> up with Time Machine and also onto two separate disks using Carbon Copy 
>> Cloner. 
>> 
>> I have found the way to create a new library, but when I try to import 
>> photos from the large library, I am blocked access as it is being shared 
>> with iCloud. 
>> 
>> My thought is that I stop the sharing with iCloud, then import the photos. 
>> Reconnect the original library to iCloud and delete them. 
>> 
>> Any tips or links to useful tutorials that are written to be relevent to 
>> things such as Shared Libraries available since Ventura would be 
>> appreciated. 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Tim
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[WAMUG] Splitting iPhoto library connected to iCloud

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Good afternoon. 

I’m using Ventura 13.2, the latest software on a 2017 iMac. I have a 180Gb 
iPhoto library connected to iCloud and am reaching the 200Gb limit. I don’t 
want to purchase more data from iCloud and want to split off library into 
separate libraries.  All photos are also stored on my computer, then backed up 
with Time Machine and also onto two separate disks using Carbon Copy Cloner. 

I have found the way to create a new library, but when I try to import photos 
from the large library, I am blocked access as it is being shared with iCloud. 

My thought is that I stop the sharing with iCloud, then import the photos. 
Reconnect the original library to iCloud and delete them. 

Any tips or links to useful tutorials that are written to be relevent to things 
such as Shared Libraries available since Ventura would be appreciated. 

Thanks

Tim
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Re: [WAMUG] Updating Apple Terms and Conditions - Ventura 13.1

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Thanks for the tip Daniel.

The solution was to log out of iCloud. This included making sure iPhoto had 
completed the syncing with iCloud. Once logged out, I turned the computer off 
for a few minutes to settle iCloud down. 

On restart, I was able to log back into iCloud as per normal and the annoying 
message went away. Whilst about it, I updated to OSX13.2 at the same time. 

Appreciate your tips. 

Regards

Tim

> On 23 Jan 2023, at 8:21 pm, Tim Law via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Daniel
> 
> I think I did that, sorry I didn’t add that to the list; it’s been a trial. I 
> might not have turned the computer off whilst signed out of iCloud so will 
> try that another day. iCloud seems to be working despite me needing to agree 
> to the T & C.  
> 
> There is a popup that flashes up far too quick to read, but some clever 
> people have done a screen recording with Quicktime and have been able to 
> freeze frame it.   The message says “Server Error iCloud could not be 
> activated because of a server error. Please try again.”
> 
> Regards
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
>> On 23 Jan 2023, at 8:10 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim
>> 
>> I’ve had that before also. No matter how times you try and resolve it,.it 
>> does the same thing.
>> My fix I found,…. Sign out of the Apple ID. Then restart the computer.
>> As everythings in iCloud you won’t (shouldn’t) lose anything. (But have a 
>> backup just incase).
>> 
>> Once restarted, then Sign back in. You’ll then get the “agree to new terms’ 
>> and it goes away. And all is back to normal.
>> 
>> It doesn’t happen all the time, but I sometimes find it on new computers for 
>> clients that have migrated across. After signing in on the new computer, it 
>> will never accept the new T’s no matter all the things I tried. But I 
>> found the old sign out and sign in again resolved it.
>> Where it’s on more that one account - I just did one at a time. Got it work. 
>> Then repeated the process for the other account.
>> 
>> Hope that helps :)
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> ---
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>> 
>>> On 23 Jan 2023, at 8:04 pm, Tim Law via WAMUG  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Apple System Settings is requesting I have read and agreed to new iCloud 
>>> Terms and Conditions. 
>>> 
>>> I have scrolled to the bottom of the very very long terms and conditions, 
>>> clicked my agreement in the little box and then “Agree”. I have done this 
>>> many times, and left it sitting for a few minutes so it thinks I have read 
>>> it all! As if….
>>> 
>>> I AM able to agree to the new terms and conditions on several other 
>>> devices, all iOS. 
>>> 
>>> Checking various Apple forums, I have had no success with:
>>> 
>>> - Restarted Finder.
>>> - Restarted the machine.
>>> - Creating a new admin account and logging into iCloud.
>>> - Restarted in Safe Mode
>>> - Removed some cache items in ~Library 
>>> 
>>> The increasingly annoying message still remains. Both user accounts on this 
>>> machine are affected. 
>>> 
>>> Any other tips would be appreciated. 
>>> 
>>> iMac 27” 2017
>>> Ventura 13.1
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Tim
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Re: [WAMUG] Updating Apple Terms and Conditions - Ventura 13.1

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Thanks Daniel

I think I did that, sorry I didn’t add that to the list; it’s been a trial. I 
might not have turned the computer off whilst signed out of iCloud so will try 
that another day. iCloud seems to be working despite me needing to agree to the 
T & C.  

There is a popup that flashes up far too quick to read, but some clever people 
have done a screen recording with Quicktime and have been able to freeze frame 
it.   The message says “Server Error iCloud could not be activated because of a 
server error. Please try again.”

Regards

Tim



> On 23 Jan 2023, at 8:10 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim
> 
> I’ve had that before also. No matter how times you try and resolve it,.it 
> does the same thing.
> My fix I found,…. Sign out of the Apple ID. Then restart the computer.
> As everythings in iCloud you won’t (shouldn’t) lose anything. (But have a 
> backup just incase).
> 
> Once restarted, then Sign back in. You’ll then get the “agree to new terms’ 
> and it goes away. And all is back to normal.
> 
> It doesn’t happen all the time, but I sometimes find it on new computers for 
> clients that have migrated across. After signing in on the new computer, it 
> will never accept the new T’s no matter all the things I tried. But I found 
> the old sign out and sign in again resolved it.
> Where it’s on more that one account - I just did one at a time. Got it work. 
> Then repeated the process for the other account.
> 
> Hope that helps :)
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
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> 
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> e : 
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> accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this 
> email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the 
> author be requested. 
> 
>> On 23 Jan 2023, at 8:04 pm, Tim Law via WAMUG  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Apple System Settings is requesting I have read and agreed to new iCloud 
>> Terms and Conditions. 
>> 
>> I have scrolled to the bottom of the very very long terms and conditions, 
>> clicked my agreement in the little box and then “Agree”. I have done this 
>> many times, and left it sitting for a few minutes so it thinks I have read 
>> it all! As if….
>> 
>> I AM able to agree to the new terms and conditions on several other devices, 
>> all iOS. 
>> 
>> Checking various Apple forums, I have had no success with:
>> 
>> - Restarted Finder.
>> - Restarted the machine.
>> - Creating a new admin account and logging into iCloud.
>> - Restarted in Safe Mode
>> - Removed some cache items in ~Library 
>> 
>> The increasingly annoying message still remains. Both user accounts on this 
>> machine are affected. 
>> 
>> Any other tips would be appreciated. 
>> 
>> iMac 27” 2017
>> Ventura 13.1
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Tim
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[WAMUG] Updating Apple Terms and Conditions - Ventura 13.1

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Hello,

Apple System Settings is requesting I have read and agreed to new iCloud Terms 
and Conditions. 

I have scrolled to the bottom of the very very long terms and conditions, 
clicked my agreement in the little box and then “Agree”. I have done this many 
times, and left it sitting for a few minutes so it thinks I have read it all! 
As if….

I AM able to agree to the new terms and conditions on several other devices, 
all iOS. 

Checking various Apple forums, I have had no success with:

- Restarted Finder.
- Restarted the machine.
- Creating a new admin account and logging into iCloud.
- Restarted in Safe Mode
- Removed some cache items in ~Library 

The increasingly annoying message still remains. Both user accounts on this 
machine are affected. 

Any other tips would be appreciated. 

iMac 27” 2017
Ventura 13.1

Regards

Tim

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Re: [WAMUG] Web site hosts - Information - Recommendations

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

   Matt I have been using

   [1]Home - Domain Names, Web Hosting for Perth, Western Australia
   [2]hostingserviceswa.com.au
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   With great success for a long time. No fuss, resolves problems quickly
   and is very customer focused.

   Yes it’s run by our very own Daniel
   Tim Law

 On 22 Jan 2023, at 3:11 pm, Matt Falvey via WAMUG
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   Hi, I know this is not strictly mac related, but it is about webs site
   hosting mac a product from Reunion family tree application on The Next
   Generation of Genealogy Sitebuilding (TNG).
   I have had a family tree website for many years hosted by Webcity which
   were taken over by Vodien Internet Solutions, based in Singapore around
   mid 2020.
   On 1 Jan 2023 I noticed my site was down and thought it may be related
   to the change of the year so I let it go before notifying them on the
   3rd. Since then they have managed to get the website up intermittently
   about 3 or 4 times.
   (I registered my Domain name with Crazy Domains and in mid 2020 I
   received notification that they would be transferring their operation
   to Dreamscape Networks International, based in Singapore, but still
   operating under the same name.)
   As the website was continually off line I thought I would contact Crazy
   Domains to See if there was anything wrong with my Domain registration,
   which may have explained why the site was not working,. The technician
   there was able to access my website and everything that had been
   happening since I lodged my complaint with Vodien. (I subsequently
   found out they are the same company.)
   Any way it seems he knew what was wrong and told me to get in touch
   with auDA as there was nothing, they could or were allowed to do.
   I had never heard of the auDA, but they are a non profit .au Domain
   Adminstration that oversees the operation and management framework of
   the .au domain on the internet.
   Apparently they advised Vodien on 19 Dec 2022 that a Ph  ishing scam
   impersonating the America First Credit Union was trying to acquire
   account numbers and passwords, they gave Vodien 72 hours to fix it and
   when they didn’t’ they blocked the website with a message to them
   serverHold DNS abuse.  They said Phishing had been reported by, various
   organisation.
   auDa had to tell me what to tell Vodien what the problem was and how to
   fix the problem.
   So Vodien did that and the website came back up and went back down
   again.
   Then then said to fix it they would need to go back to a September back
   up, reinstall it and everything will be working fine after that . They
   did that and the same problem is persisting, the website is down.
   So I asked them a couple of days ago, were they going to seriously
   attempt to fix the problem, expedite it to a senior member so I can get
   the service I require and what compensation I will be receiving?
   They came back with, they had moved it up the chain and the senior
   engineer recommended that I authorise them migrating the website to a
   new server for free.  I asked them what is the benefit of going to the
   new server. They replied that the new server has been securely updated
   and is free of any problems. They also offered 3 months extension of my
   current contract for free.
   Has anyone had any similar issues? Or has anyone with any knowledge of
   hosting any suggestions as to whether it is a good idea to move to the
   new server or not? (I presume if I don’t, I won’t have a website.)
   Finally can anyone recommend a family tree friendly host service,
   (possibly Australian based), for when I almost certainly choose to
   move?
   Thanks
   Matt.
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[WAMUG] Mac Book Pro Late 2013 for parts

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Good morning

Apple Centre Perth diagnosed a failed logic board in my Mac Book Pro Late 2013. 
I have removed the SSD and will keep it. 

The remainder of the unit, and charger, are available for free to anyone on 
this list. 

The screen suffers from delamination of the anti reflective coating but I used 
a plastic cover over it with reasonable success and found it quite viewable. 
Keyboard functions normally. 
Casing is reasonably neat and tidy. 

I live in Beverley, south of York, north of Brookton, but travel to Perth 
sometimes and could arrange a meet up if you’re needing this machine. Or you 
cover postage costs. 

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Tim


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Re: [WAMUG] Macbook Pro 2013 Retia 13" - Battery suspect

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

I took the same model into AppleCentre Perth when it no longer started up. 

After testing, they politely declared it dead. ‍

I removed the back to remove the SSD and the batteries aren’t all in one block 
and are glued in. Mine is of no real value to me so contact me privately if 
you’d like to make use of it. Batteries are not swollen, and have a little life 
in them.

I live in Beverley. 

Tim Law

> On 11 Nov 2022, at 2:32 pm, Peter Crisp via WAMUG  
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> Hi there. I bought a Macbook Pro 2013 Retina 13” in 2013 (late). It has been 
> and is still a reliable Macbook. It doesn’t get used for much but I do need 
> it. A few months back I noticed the keyboard area beginning to bulge upwards 
> and the keyboard alloy shell is deforming upwards. It still is working fine. 
> I keep it on power all the time and rarely take it away from the power to use 
> it for portability. Bulge is becoming more pronounced over time.
> 
> My suspicion is the nearly 10 year old battery is expanding and pushing up 
> the chassis from beneath the keyboard. I see some online DIY battery 
> replacement procedures and I’ve done many other Macbook Air, Pro batteries 
> before - but the Retina seems more complex, though not overly daunting for my 
> relevant experience in doing these tasks. I could give it a go. 
> 
> Naturally I have backups all in order in the event of a disaster. 
> 
> Has anyone here done a 2013 MBP Retina 13” battery change - or would Apple 
> even touch it?
> 
> Comments please.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
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Re: [WAMUG] Anyone tried Ventura yet ?

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Same for me

Easy install on a 2017 iMac.

I’m starting to enjoy using Stage Manager, and have already undone a mis spelt 
text I sent. 

Tim

> On 28 Oct 2022, at 9:24 am, Stephen Chape via WAMUG 
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>   Thank you Robin 
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>   On 28 Oct 2022, at 6:46 am, Robin Belford <[1]rbelf...@highway1.com.au>
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>   I installed Ventura on Tuesday morning.
>   Smooth sailing on the two MacBook Airs in my house, 2020 MBA & 2018
>   MBA.
>   r
> 
> On 27 Oct 2022, at 8:30 am, Stephen Chape via WAMUG
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>  Regards
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Re: [WAMUG] Decision time: MacBook Pro battery

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Thanks as always Daniel for your response

I tried the SMC reset by holding down the power button for ten seconds, then a 
normal restart push. No change. 

It is a late 2013 Retina. The anti reflective coating has gone off the screen 
but a plastic film has resurrected it and I can work with it as it is. 

The $299 was the price Apple gave me on the service website. It did say 
‘estimate’ 

The PC software I use from Time to time is Oziexplorer for digital mapping. I 
have satisfactory alternatives, but don’t want to give it up if I don’t have to

The other is Peugeot workshop manual and OBD2 port reader software. This is 
pretty handy to have to read and reset engine codes and I have hardware that 
goes with it so am reluctant to give it up. 

I’ll check out my other options as you’ve suggested and will contact you off 
list for second hand machines if I need to go that path. 

Thanks again

Tim Law

> On 29 Sep 2022, at 11:29 am, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG  
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> Hi Tim
> 
> On a new Apple Silicon machine you’ll have a bit of a nightmare getting 
> VMWare to work - as we tried to do one for another client and it was a 
> nightmare. You definitely can’t use the same “VM File” you have - you have to 
> start from scratch. (And it will only work with a insider developer’s copy of 
> Windows 11 for ARM - you can’t actually buy Windows for it).
> I did set up Parallels with Windows 11 ARM for a couple of clients on a new 
> Apple Silicon iMac and got it work. But we had to set it from scratch. And 
> some things are a little different then normal - so programs apparently don’t 
> work as well in Windows ARM as they do for other. So that’s just something to 
> be aware of as well.
> 
> Have you tried an SMC reset as well if it’s not starting up. As generally 
> even if the battery has failed it still should run on power adapter. (Unless 
> the battery has swollen and is causing other issues as well).
> 
> Battery prices can vary - depends on if it’s a Early 2013 13” or a Late 2013 
> 13” (Retina). As the batteries for the Retina can be a nightmare to do. (I 
> don’t even do the Retina’s myself for some models - as it’s just too fiddly 
> and risky the way they are “glued in”.
> 
> So just something to be wary of.
> Other option would be something second hand - as that’s what I’ve got for 
> some other clients - which was a bit cheaper than new and still Intel so 
> still worked with all their current software - but a bit more up to date.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone 12 Pro 
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>> On 29 Sep 2022, at 11:17 am, Tim Law via WAMUG  
>> wrote:
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>> Good morning
>> 
>> A1502 late 2013 MacBook Pro. Still suitable for purpose. 
>> 
>> Couple of days ago I got a ‘service required’ warning saying the battery was 
>> at the end of its life. Now the machine won’t start up, even if the power 
>> supply is plugged in. Interestingly the power charger brick is not at all 
>> warm, indicating no charge going in but the little orange light on the 
>> magnetic plug is on. 
>> 
>> Apple website estimates $299 to replace the battery. A new M2 costs $2000
>> 
>> I use VMware Fusion to run two native PC apps and it works as I require so 
>> I’m hesitant to upgrade in case that stops functioning. 
>> 
>> Do I just get the battery replaced or replace the machine?. I have a feeling 
>> it’s no longer supported for OSX upgrades. 
>> 
>> Wise thoughts appreciated. 
>> 
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[WAMUG] Decision time: MacBook Pro battery

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Good morning

A1502 late 2013 MacBook Pro. Still suitable for purpose. 

Couple of days ago I got a ‘service required’ warning saying the battery was at 
the end of its life. Now the machine won’t start up, even if the power supply 
is plugged in. Interestingly the power charger brick is not at all warm, 
indicating no charge going in but the little orange light on the magnetic plug 
is on. 

Apple website estimates $299 to replace the battery. A new M2 costs $2000

I use VMware Fusion to run two native PC apps and it works as I require so I’m 
hesitant to upgrade in case that stops functioning. 

Do I just get the battery replaced or replace the machine?. I have a feeling 
it’s no longer supported for OSX upgrades. 

Wise thoughts appreciated. 

Tim Law
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[Tim Law via WAMUG]

A wise decision Rod :-)I use 1Password which has a similar prompt 
and the task needs to be done each few months. 

Regards

Tim

> On 14 Sep 2022, at 2:57 pm, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG  
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>   Hi Folks
> 
>   I just updated Safari to 16.0.
> 
>   A while later the passwords window popped up listing a number of my
>   stored passwords as “compromised”
> 
>   “this password has appeared in a data leak which puts the account at
>   high risk…”
> 
>   I assume I should go ahead and change these passwords? (probably a dumb
>   question )
> 
>   Thanks
> 
>   Blitto
>   [cid:3320202049_5684508]
>   Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
>   . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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Re: [WAMUG] Mobile Plans Advice Please: Telstra, JBHIFI Telstra etc

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Rod I moved to Boost which uses the full Telstra network. Not sure about 5G

$20 a month for 10gb I think. 

Tim Law

> On 10 Sep 2022, at 9:56 am, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Rod
> 
> You may find some of the others that use the Telstra network - still give 
> good coverage but at a cheaper price - 
> This link has some good info as well - 
> https://www.finder.com.au/best-mvno-plans-on-the-telstra-network
> 
> There were a few on this link around the $30-$40 plan still on Telstra with 5G
> https://www.whistleout.com.au/MobilePhones/Guides/Cheap-Telstra-network-MVNO-plans
> (Eg Made had soul ate 5G, 60GB data for $40 pm.)
> 
> I’ve had a few clients use other carries but still on the Telstra network and 
> been happy with them. 
> Hope that helps.
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
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>> On 10 Sep 2022, at 9:32 am, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Hi Folks
>> 
>>  I have a Telstra Moblie Plan Small with my iPhone X
>> 
>>  If I decide it’s time to upgrade to the iPhone 14 AND I want to stay
>>  with Telstra (for remote area coverage) - do you have any advice
>>  please?
>> 
>>  My current Telstra plan gives me 40 GB. I rarely use 10 GB.
>> 
>>  Should I stay on my current Telstra Moblie Plan Small  @ $55 per month?
>> 
>>  Or Shift to a new Telstra Upfront Mobile Plan Basic @ $58 with 40 GB
>>  and capped speed 250Mbps  4G and 5G?
>> 
>>  Or JB HiFi Telstra plan 60 GB @ $49, 3G, 4G/4GX BUT not 5G?
>> 
>>  OR - do you recommend any other plan with Telstra as the carrier?
>> 
>>  [1]https://www.whistleout.com.au/ doesn’t seem to list anything with
>>  Telstra carrier AND 5G under $68
>> 
>>  Many thanks for your advice
>> 
>>  Blitto
>>  [cid:3320202049_5684508]
>>  Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
>>  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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>> 
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Re: [WAMUG] Gmail - a cautionary tale

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

   Thanks Peter,

   A forum guided me to lodge a request at
   [1]https://bit.ly/2TvIp6U which I have done and I will see if they can
   resurrect my account.

   What tricked me was through the deletion process it kept warning me I
   was going to lose my Workspace Business Starter account. I thought yep
   - that’s what I want I don’t want one of those.Not realising they
   had changed my status into a business and foisted this new thing onto
   me and they were referring to what I thought was my personal account.

   We will see what happens.

   Regards

   Tim

   On 7 Sep 2022, at 7:46 am, Peter Hinchliffe via WAMUG
   <[2]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote:

 On 6 Sep 2022, at 3:55 pm, Tim Law via WAMUG
 <[3]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote:
  Good afternoon
  Not specifically Mac related
  Ages ago I set up a Google Account and used my regular email
 address.
  This happens to be a private domain under [1][4]com.au
  I clearly missed something fairly important from Google a while ago
 and
  they seem to have assumed all [2][5]com.au accounts must be
 businesses and
  therefore transferred them all over onto a paid service they call
  Workspace.
  I kept on getting messages from Google telling me to set up a
 payment
  plan for my Workspace account but ignored them as I didn’t request
 the
  account - as I said I clearly missed out on key message they
 probably
  tried to convey. As a single user, I never saw myself as a business
 and
  their messaging was very business focused and they talked about
  managing my whole domain under Workspace - something I didn’t ask
 for,
  agree to or want.
  Consequences are that I have now deleted my Workspace account, and
 in
  the process have unexpectedly deleted my associated Google account,
  plus alarmingly all the YouTube videos I have carefully crafted
 over
  the years. Gone and with no way of retrieving it. :-(
  @gmail.com Google accounts are safe from their assumptions and
  changes.
  I hope this is useful somehow.
  Tim
 References

 Very useful advice, even though it’s cost you a lot to discover it.
 I too discovered some time ago that the only way to avoid confusion
 and distress with dealing with anything Google online is to have a
 Google email address, even if you never use it for any other reason
 than for logging into Google-based sites.
 It also helps with other websites which offer OAuth access, ie, they
 allow you to create an account ot login using a Google account email
 address. Much easier if that address ends in .[6]gmail.com.
 Kind regards,
 Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
 FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
 Perth, Western Australia
 Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
 
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[WAMUG] Gmail - a cautionary tale

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

   Good afternoon

   Not specifically Mac related
   Ages ago I set up a Google Account and used my regular email address.
   This happens to be a private domain under [1]com.au
   I clearly missed something fairly important from Google a while ago and
   they seem to have assumed all [2]com.au accounts must be businesses and
   therefore transferred them all over onto a paid service they call
   Workspace.

   I kept on getting messages from Google telling me to set up a payment
   plan for my Workspace account but ignored them as I didn’t request the
   account - as I said I clearly missed out on key message they probably
   tried to convey. As a single user, I never saw myself as a business and
   their messaging was very business focused and they talked about
   managing my whole domain under Workspace - something I didn’t ask for,
   agree to or want.

   Consequences are that I have now deleted my Workspace account, and in
   the process have unexpectedly deleted my associated Google account,
   plus alarmingly all the YouTube videos I have carefully crafted over
   the years. Gone and with no way of retrieving it. :-(

   @gmail.com Google accounts are safe from their assumptions and
   changes.

   I hope this is useful somehow.

   Tim

References

   1. http://com.au/
   2. http://com.au/
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Re: [WAMUG] Sharing contacts with two users on one computer

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Thanks for the thoughts. I’ll see how that goes

Tim Law

> On 31 Aug 2022, at 9:55 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG  
> wrote:
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> Oh ok…weird. 
> As I have a similar setup for a few clients where they have their “Main” 
> iCloud for everything of their own stuff, then a “business wide” iCloud that 
> we only log in via Internet Accounts just for the Calendar and Contacts. And 
> haven’t seen the images change at all for them.
> (And that’s on various different devices as well - but the one main iCloud 
> for all the work stuff. (Which we only log in as the secondary iCloud 
> account). We always do the “personal” one first via the main iCloud setting. 
> And each subsequent one (the “business one”) via Internet System Preferences.
> 
> Or at least I haven’t seen it happen as yet. But it doesn’t get used for 
> anything else - it’s only for the “sharing” type things.
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
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>> On 31 Aug 2022, at 8:37 pm, Tim Law via WAMUG  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Daniel,
>> 
>> That’s been working, but the unintended consequences seem to be the image 
>> for the users login ends up matching too. 
>> 
>> Logging into the other users iCloud account seems to be the trigger for 
>> this. We’ve got quite a few devices so proving my theory isn’t foolproof.
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Tim's Retina iPad 2
>> 
>>>> On 31 Aug 2022, at 7:44 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> Hi Tim
>>> 
>>> You don't “technically” share the Contacts. 
>>> But if you go into System Preferences - Internet Accounts.
>>> Click on iCloud on the right hand side.
>>> Log in with the other AppleiD you want the Contacts from Then once asked 
>>> which things you want to access, untick everything except Contacts.
>>> But yes, you do need access to the other AppleID to then be able to see the 
>>> contacts.
>>> 
>>> That will then show as another “Group” in your Contacts Application.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Daniel
>>> 
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>>>> On 31 Aug 2022, at 6:18 pm, Tim Law via WAMUG  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> Calendar works nicely to allow the viewing of different calendars from two 
>>>> users using different iCloud accounts on the one computer.
>>>> 
>>>> But Contacts does not work this same way, and is quite clunky to get 
>>>> working. There’s also unintended consequences of being logged into two 
>>>> AppleID which seems to be required to view another persons contacts.
>>>> 
>>>> Is there an easy solution?
>>>> 
>>>> Ta
>>>> Tim
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: [WAMUG] Sharing contacts with two users on one computer

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Thanks Daniel,

That’s been working, but the unintended consequences seem to be the image for 
the users login ends up matching too. 

Logging into the other users iCloud account seems to be the trigger for this. 
We’ve got quite a few devices so proving my theory isn’t foolproof.

Tim


Sent from Tim's Retina iPad 2

> On 31 Aug 2022, at 7:44 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> Hi Tim
> 
> You don't “technically” share the Contacts. 
> But if you go into System Preferences - Internet Accounts.
> Click on iCloud on the right hand side.
> Log in with the other AppleiD you want the Contacts from Then once asked 
> which things you want to access, untick everything except Contacts.
> But yes, you do need access to the other AppleID to then be able to see the 
> contacts.
> 
> That will then show as another “Group” in your Contacts Application.
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> ---
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> 
>> On 31 Aug 2022, at 6:18 pm, Tim Law via WAMUG  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Calendar works nicely to allow the viewing of different calendars from two 
>> users using different iCloud accounts on the one computer.
>> 
>> But Contacts does not work this same way, and is quite clunky to get 
>> working. There’s also unintended consequences of being logged into two 
>> AppleID which seems to be required to view another persons contacts.
>> 
>> Is there an easy solution?
>> 
>> Ta
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[WAMUG] Sharing contacts with two users on one computer

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Hello,

Calendar works nicely to allow the viewing of different calendars from two 
users using different iCloud accounts on the one computer.

But Contacts does not work this same way, and is quite clunky to get working. 
There’s also unintended consequences of being logged into two AppleID which 
seems to be required to view another persons contacts.

Is there an easy solution?

Ta
Tim



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