Re: Anti virus software

[Stephen Chape]

Hi Marcus.

Perhaps Intego protection is a “Placebo”. Or perhaps it works !
At the very least I feel more secure by using it.
Consequently I worry less.

In the same way that my home is very secure with good locks (using keys) and 
security grills.
And a monitored alarm system.

So far I have NOT been burgled.
Is that because of my security diligence?
Or am I just lucky ?
I don’t know … but so far I feel good about it.

> On 17 Apr 2018, at 2:26 pm, Marcus Harris  wrote:
> 
> Well, this is interesting as I haven’t used antivirus since buying my first 
> Apple Mac in 1986. 
> I thought the regular security updates from Apple were enough.
> Presumably if one wasn’t SPAM aware a virus or similar could corrupt the 
> system, otherwise do we really need AV?
> Marcus
> 
> Marcus Harris 74 iPhone7
> 
> On 17 Apr 2018, at 1:43 pm, Stephen Chape  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jennifer
>> 
>> I have used Intego Virus Barrier and Net Barrier for many years.
>> As far as I am aware the only one made specifically for Mac.
>> Doesn’t have any noticeable effect on performance either.
>> I believe all the others are offshoots of Windows software.
>> 
>>> On 17 Apr 2018, at 10:02 am, Jennifer Lefroy >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was told by mu server - Zettanet - that I should have antivirus software 
>>> installed.  What is the latest recommendation, please/
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
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Re: Anti virus software

[Ronda Brown]

Hi , Jennifer, Stephen, and Marcus,

If you are running the current versions of macOS and keep your systems updated 
with Apple software updates and security updates, and sensible with NOT 
clicking on links in emails, going to suspect websites, downloading movies etc 
from illicit websites.
In my opinion you don’t need Anti-Virus software.

Before is an extract I copied awhile ago from MacWorld UK but unfortunately I 
didn’t copy the link.
How Apple protects your Mac from malware

Apple goes to great lengths to protect you from malware by making it almost 
impossible for you to download it in the first place. The company has built 
anti-malware protection into macOS. For example, before you can open a file, 
your Mac will check it against a list of malware, and even if there is no 
reason for concern it will not allow you to open an application from a 
developer that it hasn’t already approved.

The Mac's malware scanning tool, Xprotect, works invisibly and automatically in 
the background and requires no user configuration. Apple has a list of 
malicious applications that it checks against when you open downloaded 
applications. Updates happen invisibly too. This is similar to having antivirus 
software from another software developer running on your Mac, with the bonus of 
being written into the operating system and therefore it doesn't hamper the 
speed of your Mac.

If you download and try to open files contaminated with malware, you may see an 
explicit warning that the files will "damage your computer", along with a 
reference to type of malware. You should delete the file immediately.

In addition, macOS blocks downloaded software that hasn't been digitally signed 
- a process in which Apple approves the developer. This leads to the familiar 
error message when you try to use or install unsigned software: "[this app] 
can't be opened because it is from an unidentified developer."

The system at work here is called Gatekeeper and can be controlled via the 
Security & Privacy section of System Preferences - in Security & Privacy select 
the General tab and choose from the options underneath Allow Applications 
Downloaded From. The options include App Store or App Store and Identified 
Developers.

There used to be an option to disable the feature by choosing 'Anywhere' but 
this option is no longer available. This doesn't mean you can't open apps that 
haven't been approved by Apple though - it just means that you will have to 
tweak some settings in order to do so. (Here's how to open an app from an 
unidentified developer).

Setting this option to App Store and Identified Developers is the best plan. 
All software downloaded via the App Store is signed, so you'll only see 
Gatekeeper warnings with a minority of apps you've downloaded manually. You can 
bypass its protection when needed - assuming you're sure an app or installation 
package is safe, just hold down Ctrl, then click it and select Open. This will 
mark it as being trusted.

Software that is approved by Apple is also Sandboxed, which means apps do only 
what they’re intended to do. App sandboxing isolates apps from the critical 
system components of your Mac, your data and your other apps, so they shouldn't 
be able to access anything that could allow them to do any damage.

There's also anti-phishing technology in Safari that will detect fraudulent 
websites. It will disable the page and display an alert warning you if you 
visit a suspect website.

You'll also notice that plug-ins such as Adobe Flash Player, Silverlight, 
QuickTime and Oracle Java won't run if they aren't updated to the latest 
version - another way of ensuring your Mac is safe.

In addition to Gatekeeper, which should keep malware off your Mac, FileVault 2 
makes sure your data is safe and secure by encrypting it. 

How Apple responds to security threats

Despite the security measures Apple has in place, from time-to-time there are 
threats to the Mac.

Apple has its own security research team, but it depends on users and 
independent researchers to help by reporting any flaws they find in Apple 
products.

To this end, Apple has an incentive program that rewards such discoveries with 
payments of up to $200,000, depending on the seriousness of the flaw. But it 
was the last major tech company to set up such a scheme. (Microsoft set up its 
own bug-reporting incentive programme in 2013, and was itself criticised at the 
time for leaving it so late.)

On 4 August 2016, Apple security boss Ivan Krstic announced the Apple Security 
Bounty Program. "We've had great help from researchers in improving iOS 
security all along," Krstic said. "[But] we've heard pretty consistently... 
that it's getting increasingly difficult to find some of those most critical 
types of security vulnerabilities. So the Apple Security Bounty Program is 
going to reward researchers who actually share critical vulnerabilities with 
Apple."

The top reward is $200,000, given to those who 

Re: Anti virus software

[Marcus Harris]

Well, this is interesting as I haven’t used antivirus since buying my first 
Apple Mac in 1986. 
I thought the regular security updates from Apple were enough.
Presumably if one wasn’t SPAM aware a virus or similar could corrupt the 
system, otherwise do we really need AV?
Marcus

Marcus Harris 74 iPhone7

> On 17 Apr 2018, at 1:43 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jennifer
> 
> I have used Intego Virus Barrier and Net Barrier for many years.
> As far as I am aware the only one made specifically for Mac.
> Doesn’t have any noticeable effect on performance either.
> I believe all the others are offshoots of Windows software.
> 
>> On 17 Apr 2018, at 10:02 am, Jennifer Lefroy  
>> wrote:
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>> I was told by mu server - Zettanet - that I should have antivirus software 
>> installed.  What is the latest recommendation, please/
>> 
>> Kind regards,
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Re: Anti virus software

[Stephen Chape]

Hi Jennifer

I have used Intego Virus Barrier and Net Barrier for many years.
As far as I am aware the only one made specifically for Mac.
Doesn’t have any noticeable effect on performance either.
I believe all the others are offshoots of Windows software.

> On 17 Apr 2018, at 10:02 am, Jennifer Lefroy  
> wrote:
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> installed.  What is the latest recommendation, please/
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Re: Anti Virus Software

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 01/11/2009, at 7:26 PM, Barry Sexstone wrote:



Dear All

What is the current recommendation for anti virus programs for Snow  
Leopard?
My update subscription to X5 expired just prior to updating to SL  
and I have not renewed as I would like advice from all the experts.


Thanks

Barry



Did your previous subscription ever report the presence and capture of  
any Mac viruses? I didn't think so, because they don't exist in any  
real sense. X5 was just sitting there doing nothing useful and  
consuming processor resources that could have been used for something  
else. There may come a time when software like this might become  
necessary on a Mac, but it hasn't arrived yet.


Save your money.

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Re: Anti Virus Software

[Rob Findlay]

Clam AV X is donation-ware and the latest beta build is Snow Leopard  
compatible.
Even though there may not be danger in the wild for Macs yet it's  
sometimes good to know that attachments you receive and possibly pass  
on don't have nasty surprises.

Clam does just fine at that.

On 02/11/2009, at 8:30 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote:




On 01/11/2009, at 7:26 PM, Barry Sexstone wrote:



Dear All

What is the current recommendation for anti virus programs for Snow  
Leopard?
My update subscription to X5 expired just prior to updating to SL  
and I have not renewed as I would like advice from all the experts.


Thanks

Barry



Did your previous subscription ever report the presence and capture  
of any Mac viruses? I didn't think so, because they don't exist in  
any real sense. X5 was just sitting there doing nothing useful and  
consuming processor resources that could have been used for  
something else. There may come a time when software like this might  
become necessary on a Mac, but it hasn't arrived yet.


Save your money.

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Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 064 948

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Re: Anti Virus Software

[James / Hans Kunz]

i agree with Peter
my powerbook is on the net for the last 5 years...no virus  
protection at all  still working

James

On 02/11/2009, at 8:30, Peter Hinchliffe wrote:




On 01/11/2009, at 7:26 PM, Barry Sexstone wrote:



Dear All

What is the current recommendation for anti virus programs for  
Snow Leopard?
My update subscription to X5 expired just prior to updating to SL  
and I have not renewed as I would like advice from all the experts.


Thanks

Barry



Did your previous subscription ever report the presence and capture  
of any Mac viruses? I didn't think so, because they don't exist in  
any real sense. X5 was just sitting there doing nothing useful and  
consuming processor resources that could have been used for  
something else. There may come a time when software like this might  
become necessary on a Mac, but it hasn't arrived yet.


Save your money.

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Re: Anti Virus Software

[James / Hans Kunz]

i just remembered this:


  The Secunia Weekly Advisory Summary
2009-10-22 - 2009-10-29

   This week: 69 advisories


Table of Contents:

1.Word From Secunia
2This Week In Brief
3...This Weeks Top Ten Most Read Advisories
4..This Week in Numbers


1) Word From Secunia:

Blog: Secunia CSI 3.0 - Final

The Public Beta of the Secunia Corporate Software Inspector (CSI) 3.0
has ended in accordance with our previously announced release schedule,
and the final version of the Secunia CSI 3.0 is now available for
download.

A huge thanks goes out to the over 3,000 people who participated in the
Secunia CSI 3.0 Public Beta, which compared to last year is extremely
great, the public beta of the previous version had 1,600 participants.

Read More:
http://secunia.com/blog/65/



subscribe to this  it's free  keep watching viruses  James



On 02/11/2009, at 9:04, Rob Findlay wrote:



Clam AV X is donation-ware and the latest beta build is Snow  
Leopard compatible.
Even though there may not be danger in the wild for Macs yet it's  
sometimes good to know that attachments you receive and possibly  
pass on don't have nasty surprises.

Clam does just fine at that.




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Re: Anti Virus Software

[Onno Benschop]

Shay Telfer wrote:

ClamXAv will not remove viruses (it just detects them), whereas Virex 
will attempt to do so in most cases.


It should be pointed out that ClamAV (and the MacOSX and Windows 
versions) don't remove detected virus occurrences for a reason. Their 
FAQ states:


   Can ClamAV disinfect files?

   No, it can't. We will add support for disinfecting OLE2 files in one
   of the next stable releases. There are no plans for disinfecting
   other types of files. There are many reasons for it: cleaning
   viruses from files is virtually pointless these days. It is very
   seldom that there is anything useful left after cleaning, and even
   if there is, would you trust it?


So, while you might choose Virex because it removes infestations, you 
should think about what is happening underneath the hood.



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Re: Anti Virus Software

[Rob Davies]

On 08/08/2005, at 9:20 PM, Shay Telfer wrote:


Hi folks,

I know this must sound a bit paranoid  but  well  you  
just never know.
I have Virex installed but my .Mac membership expired about 3  
months ago.

I don't think the updates work any more because of this ??
Is this correct ? I can't see any way of actually checking.

I noticed someone recently recommending ClamXav.
I have downloaded it but have not yet installed it.
Would this be a good replacement for Virex ?
Or (if Virex still woks) a I better off staying with Virex ?

Regards,
Stephen Chape



ClamXAv will not remove viruses (it just detects them), whereas  
Virex will attempt to do so in most cases.


But it does give the user an option of automatically removing virus  
into a quarantine folder. So, as to do with as you wish, following  
means of destruction according to virusDB, but it will no longer be  
active.


A reason for ClamXav over others besides cost factor, is it's actual  
virusDB, update procedures, and response time to new outbreaks, check  
the website. http://www.clamav.net


Do not install on Mac OS X server.

Be careful when setting check .mbox do not set with quarantine folder  
active.


Documented in ClamXav. http://www.clamxav.com

I do not let it scan .mbox as I have quarantine active; if I suspect  
an .mbox. I make a copy of said .mbox and drop this into ClamXav. If  
it finds something I can go and remove suspect file without damaging  
the .mbox, and have to spend hours repairing .mbox.



Cheers!
`Rob...

Re: Anti Virus Software

[Shay Telfer]

Shay Telfer wrote:

ClamXAv will not remove viruses (it just detects them), whereas 
Virex will attempt to do so in most cases.


It should be pointed out that ClamAV (and the MacOSX and Windows 
versions) don't remove detected virus occurrences for a reason. 
Their FAQ states:


   Can ClamAV disinfect files?

   No, it can't. We will add support for disinfecting OLE2 files in one
   of the next stable releases. There are no plans for disinfecting
   other types of files. There are many reasons for it: cleaning
   viruses from files is virtually pointless these days. It is very
   seldom that there is anything useful left after cleaning, and even
   if there is, would you trust it?

So, while you might choose Virex because it removes infestations, 
you should think about what is happening underneath the hood.


I do, and Virex quite happily removes *most* Word macro viruses on 
the Mac, which is good because

* They're pretty much all the viruses that are on the Mac.
* The Word documents are usually what users care about the most.

Do I trust it? As much as I trust ClamAV, even if I can't look at the 
Virex source.


Have fun,
Shay
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Re: Anti Virus Software

[Shay Telfer]

Hi folks,

I know this must sound a bit paranoid  but  well  you 
just never know.

I have Virex installed but my .Mac membership expired about 3 months ago.
I don't think the updates work any more because of this ??
Is this correct ? I can't see any way of actually checking.

I noticed someone recently recommending ClamXav.
I have downloaded it but have not yet installed it.
Would this be a good replacement for Virex ?
Or (if Virex still woks) a I better off staying with Virex ?

Regards,
Stephen Chape


ClamXAv will not remove viruses (it just detects them), whereas Virex 
will attempt to do so in most cases.


Have fun,
Shay
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Re: Anti Virus Software

[subscribe]

Hello Steven,

i have recently moved over to ClamAV and found it to work well and to 
be a fine replacement for products like virex, there was recently a 
problem found with part of ClamAV  that caused Multiple Integer 
Overflow Vulnerabilities however this has been patched - 
http://secunia.com/advisories/16250/


overall i'm pretty happy with ClamAV, one of my primary reasons for 
moving to it  apart from cost was the rumourmill from sophos regarding 
viri for OS X
 it would appear that they dont know a virus from a root exploit, which 
concerns me. Also the ClamAV developers have proved that they are on 
top of problems that occur with ClamAV and are proactive with there 
fixes


cheers

Natas
On 06/08/2005, at 9:42 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:


Hi folks,

I know this must sound a bit paranoid  but  well  you just 
never know.
I have Virex installed but my .Mac membership expired about 3 months 
ago.

I don't think the updates work any more because of this ??
Is this correct ? I can't see any way of actually checking.

I noticed someone recently recommending ClamXav.
I have downloaded it but have not yet installed it.
Would this be a good replacement for Virex ?
Or (if Virex still woks) a I better off staying with Virex ?

Regards,
Stephen Chape


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