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what does the below have to do with the topic ? and haven't we read this
verbatum before ?
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> 20th century, a century of war
>
>
> George Anthony remembers the victims of a profitable business
>
> It is either morbidity or subdued anger, but the slaughter of the First
World
> War, with its 350 miles of trenches, from the Belgian coast to the Swiss
> border, has always had a fascination for me. Early on, the reading of
"Lions
> led by Donkeys", "In Flanders fields", "Goodbye to all that", "First day
of
> the Somme", seeing the play and then the film, "Oh, what a lovely war",
> visiting the Imperial war museum, and the first four lines of the Wilfred
> Owen poem, "Anthem for Doomed Youth",
> "What passing-bells for
> these who die as cattle?
> Only the monstrous anger of the guns.
> Only the stuttering rifles` rapid rattle,
> Can patter out their hasty orisons",
> has fed this fascination for years. And the Cenotaph in Whitehall with the
> Armistice commemoration there; for the establishment to shed crocodile
tears,
> every November 11th, has kept it in my mind and everybody else's since
that
> war ended 82 years ago.
> I suppose it was the sheer size and apparent senselessness of it that is
so
> overwhelming, even though it was so long ago. Perhaps that's why it is
still
> referred to as the Great War. A.J.P. Taylor, in one of his BBC television
> lectures, described it as war of attrition, saying, "That providing the
> French and British lost three and the Germans lost two, the Allies would
> win." No bows and arrows here, as at Crecy, Agincourt, and the Little Big
> Horn. No Waterloo, engaging a mere 140,000 professional soldiery, for only
> one day, leaving 62,000 dead. But a monstrous engagement, killing millions
in
> no time at all.
> There have been war's since of course, indeed the 20th century's main
feature
> has been war on a frequent and huge scale, fought with ever increasing
> inhumanity with ever increasingly sophisticated weapons.
> Beginning the century with the Boer War, followed by the Russo/Japanese
war,
> the Gulf war, the French Indo-China war, the Russian Civil war, the 14
> countries war of intervention against the Soviet Union, the Spanish Civil
> war, the Mexican civil war, the Spanish/American Cuba war, the Liberia
civil
> war, the Yemeni war, the Guatemalan war, the Nicaraguan war, the El
> Salvadoran war, the British Malayan war, the Kenya Mau Mau war, the
Vietnam
> war, the Six Day Israeli/Egypt war, the Nagorno/Karabakh war, the
> Bougainville/Papua New Guinea war, the Burma civil war, the Khmer
> Rouge/Cambodia war, the Angola/Unita war, the Nigerian/Biafra war, the
> N.A.T.O. bombing of Serbia, the Afghanistan wars, the Falklands war, the
> Sudan war, the Ethiopia/Eritrea war, the Japanese invasion of Manchuria,
the
> Chinese Red Army/Kuomintang war, the Sino/India war, the Rwanda/Burundi
civil
> war, the East Timor war of liberation, the Georgian civil war, the Guinea
> Bissau civil war, the Israel attack on South Lebanon, the Kashmir war of
> liberation, the Kosovo civil war, the Iran/Iraq war, the Chechnya civil
war,
> the Tajikistan civil war, the Turkish war against the Kurds, the Uganda
civil
> war, the Moluccas war of liberation, the Comoros civil war, the Turkish
> invasion of Cyprus, the Colombia liberation war, the Zapatista/Mexico
> liberation war, the Western Sahara liberation war, the Sierra Leone civil
> war, the Somalia civil war, the Sri Lanka/Tamil civil war and the Congo
war,
> making 56 qualifying as war. With another 26 "nascent international armed
> conflicts", have in their different ways, demonstrated the Clausewitz
dictum
> that "war is politics by other means". Attempts at conquest by one
military
> power over another to maintain its hegemony, instead of by diplomacy and
> political struggle.
> Young men and women, still
Re: {W&P} The Australian Ballot
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Re: {W&P} The Australian Ballot
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/=-=-=-=-Click Here & Support Our Sponsor-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\ Juniper Bank-2.9% intro APR, 100% access Experience unrivaled Internet and wireless convenience with friendly account reminders and online discounts. Get connected to a whole new kind of credit card. http://click.topica.com/5Eb1dhdKb1tdRUa/Juniper \=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/ - Original Message - From: "Troy Heagy> > >From: maree > >Some areas have far more that 5 candidates standing for election. Voters > >number the boxes in order of preference, they do not list candidates. > > > Yes, you're right. I forgot that voters just number the candidates, rather > than write in the name. > > So, based on your description, Australia uses a hand-counting system? > > definitely. We have thought about using the TAB (betting offices) because their system is AUs wide, but at this point hand counting. > > > > For example, my presidential ballot might read: > > > 1. Harry Browne (the best man for the job IMO) > > > 2. John McCain > > > 3. George Bush > > > 4. Al Gore > > > 5. Buchanan > > > > > > Obviously, Harry Browne won't win. But I don't feel like I've "wasted > >my > > > vote" by listing him. Even if Browne is rejected as unpopular, John > >McCain > > > becomes my #2 vote... then George Bush my #3 vote... and so on. > > > > >Maybe, maybe not... but I suppose it is a simple explanation. What it > >basically means is that those 19000 votes that were in didpute, and those > >votes that went to lesser candidates, by having a preferential system, they > >would have been passed on to other candidates. May have lessened the chaos, > >but then again... may not ! > > > Well, there's no such think as a perfect counting system. Any system has a > certain margin of error and hence there will always be disputes in close > elections. > most definitely > The reason I think an Australian Ballot is preferable is because it would > allow the U.S. to have a true multi-party system rather than a duopoly of > Democrats/Republicans. > > For example, I voted for the Libertarian party. That was basically a wasted > vote, because other Libertarian-minded persons are afraid that voting for > such small party will allow the Democrats to win (as happened in 1992 with > the Reform & Republican parties splitting the conservative vote). So, they > vote Republican instead. And my vote is wasted on a loser party. And the > Democrats/Republicans remain dominant. > > An Australian ballot eliminates the "wasted vote" problem. I can safely > vote for the Libertarian or Green or Reform parties. and yet still back > them up with a "safe" Republican vote to keep out the Democrat. that is true also, but in Aus we use statistics also, which allow parties to see what the populus is thinking, changing preferences, impact of new parties. So our preferntial system allows the major parties to see that if there are swings to lesser parties, there is a reason, and therefore the major parties have policy issues to address. People understand that no vote is a wasted vote. > > > >Please do, we are a caring and sharing nation, you know > >maree > > :) > > Troy maree > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > --- Support our Sponsor- > Make eTour.com your Web start page, and you'll see a > different site matched to your interests every time you log > onto the Web! Sign up for your free membership now. > http://click.topica.com/5zb1dhdKb1tdQUc/eTour > > > ___ > To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Make A Buck Or Two @ TheMail.com - Free Internet Email > Sign-up today at http://www.themail.com/ref.htm?ref=126357 > referrer name = john_tCheck it out! It works! > > ___ > T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 > Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics > /=-=-=-=-Click Here & Support Our Sponsor-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\ Imagine a credit card with a 0% introductory APR on purchases (for complete pricing information and important terms and conditions, please click on the link below). Apply now for an Aria Visa! http://click.topica.com/5Cb1dhdKb1tdRUc/Aria \=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/ ___ To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Make A Buck Or Two @ TheMail.com - Free Internet Email Sign-up today at http://www.themail.com/ref.htm?ref=126357 referrer name = john_tCheck it out! It works! ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
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--- Support our Sponsor Imagine a credit card with a 0% introductory APR on purchases (for complete pricing information and important terms and conditions, please click on the link below). Apply now for an Aria Visa! http://click.topica.com/Ijb1dhdKb1tdRUa/Aria Maree, Good question. "Was it them or the media? You must also remember with the conglomeration and monopolization of media into the hands of few, that they are dictating according to their profit margin who will be heard and who won't". However, who would want a president that follows the dictates of media? This idea is even more demoralizing. It would be great if we all had time to read history and John Garcia's book "Moral Society". He explains the corrupting nature of bureaucracy as power tends to solidify in a few hands and pressures lead to immoral decisions until the civilization falls. Autocracy always works to reduce the number of decision makers. This is more efficient, but it also atrophies the whole civilization. Democracy works to include the largest number of decision makers, and this most certainly is not efficient, but it is away of life, and rarely do we need to be in a hurry to make decisions. In a time of emergency we want autocracy for rapid decision making, and I think there is an effort to make us all believe everyday is an emergency or a day away from all out war, to secure more and more power in a few hands. I am afraid we haven't returned to peace time thinking since the invention of air warfare. In times of peace, we can take the time for everyone to give an opinion and discuss things until their is a consensus on the best reasoning. Democracy is a way of life that shouldn't be rushed. CS --- Support our Sponsor eTour is your personal web tour guide, matching the best sites with your interests. eTour is free and easy, and you can earn rewards discovering great new sites. Visit today! http://click.topica.com/5Ab1dhdKb1tdRUc/eTour ___ To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Make A Buck Or Two @ TheMail.com - Free Internet Email Sign-up today at http://www.themail.com/ref.htm?ref=126357 referrer name = john_tCheck it out! It works! ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
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--- Support our Sponsor eTour is your personal web tour guide, matching the best sites with your interests. eTour is free and easy, and you can earn rewards discovering great new sites. Visit today! http://click.topica.com/5Ab1dhdKb1tdRUa/eTour >From: maree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Some areas have far more that 5 candidates standing for election. Voters >number the boxes in order of preference, they do not list candidates. Yes, you're right. I forgot that voters just number the candidates, rather than write in the name. So, based on your description, Australia uses a hand-counting system? > > For example, my presidential ballot might read: > > 1. Harry Browne (the best man for the job IMO) > > 2. John McCain > > 3. George Bush > > 4. Al Gore > > 5. Buchanan > > > > Obviously, Harry Browne won't win. But I don't feel like I've "wasted >my > > vote" by listing him. Even if Browne is rejected as unpopular, John >McCain > > becomes my #2 vote... then George Bush my #3 vote... and so on. > > >Maybe, maybe not... but I suppose it is a simple explanation. What it >basically means is that those 19000 votes that were in didpute, and those >votes that went to lesser candidates, by having a preferential system, they >would have been passed on to other candidates. May have lessened the chaos, >but then again... may not ! Well, there's no such think as a perfect counting system. Any system has a certain margin of error and hence there will always be disputes in close elections. The reason I think an Australian Ballot is preferable is because it would allow the U.S. to have a true multi-party system rather than a duopoly of Democrats/Republicans. For example, I voted for the Libertarian party. That was basically a wasted vote, because other Libertarian-minded persons are afraid that voting for such small party will allow the Democrats to win (as happened in 1992 with the Reform & Republican parties splitting the conservative vote). So, they vote Republican instead. And my vote is wasted on a loser party. And the Democrats/Republicans remain dominant. An Australian ballot eliminates the "wasted vote" problem. I can safely vote for the Libertarian or Green or Reform parties. and yet still back them up with a "safe" Republican vote to keep out the Democrat. >Please do, we are a caring and sharing nation, you know >maree :) Troy _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --- Support our Sponsor- Make eTour.com your Web start page, and youll see a different site matched to your interests every time you log onto the Web! Sign up for your free membership now. http://click.topica.com/5zb1dhdKb1tdRUc/eTour ___ To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Make A Buck Or Two @ TheMail.com - Free Internet Email Sign-up today at http://www.themail.com/ref.htm?ref=126357 referrer name = john_tCheck it out! It works! ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
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--- Support our Sponsor Does your child struggle in school? Discover Sylvan Learning Centers and get $100 off enrollment, $25 off a Skill Assessment, or a FREE video. http://click.topica.com/vpb1dhdKb1tdRUa/SylvanLearning - Original Message - From: "CAROL L SEATON" < > maree, > > I would like to use the Australian ballot form, because I want to know > how people would vote if they didn't fear the worst choice for president > would win, if they gave their vote to a third party. Our present system > is creating a lie, because it is out of fear that so many people are > voting for a dominate party candidate instead of the person they believe > is best suited for office. > But in your system your lesser parties seem to only crop up at election time, whereas ours are there permanently. Basically, they act as a shield to ensure that the major parties don't run roughshod over all others. Some may argue that this has a tendency to generate stagnation, but i think that it has the capacity to ensure the interests of all are met. > Our present system has given so much power to the two parties, they can > abuse their power, as they did when they refused other candidates > meaningful freedom of speech during the nationally broadcast political > debates. This was such an abuse of power the last crumb of hope I had > that a major party provided an honorable candidate, was crumbled.CS Was it them or the media. You must also remember with the conglomeration and monopolisation of media into the hands of few, that they are dictating according to their profit margin who will be heard and who won't. maree > > --- Sponsor's Message -- > REDUCE YOUR DEBT FOR FREE!! #1 Rated Method Of Reducing Debt > And Improving Your Credit Rating! This reputable NON-Profit can > assist you at absolutely NO COST! Click here for more information. > http://click.topica.com/OUb1dhdKb1tdQUc/e-debtconsolidation > > > ___ > To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Make A Buck Or Two @ TheMail.com - Free Internet Email > Sign-up today at http://www.themail.com/ref.htm?ref=126357 > referrer name = john_tCheck it out! It works! > > ___ > T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 > Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics > > --- Support our Sponsor FREE DEBT REDUCTION HELP? Did you know you can get COMPLETELY FREE HELP lowering your interest charges and debt payments? Click now for more information about this FREE, LIMITED TIME OFFER. http://click.topica.com/OSb1dhdKb1tdRUc/edebtconsolidation ___ To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Make A Buck Or Two @ TheMail.com - Free Internet Email Sign-up today at http://www.themail.com/ref.htm?ref=126357 referrer name = john_tCheck it out! It works! ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
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well, why don't you tell us what you think, then..
> I have tried using pencil, but it's tough to get off the screen, and no
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> I would very much like the United States to adopt the Australian Ballot. > CS > Please explain why ? maree > /=-=-=-=-Click Here & Support Our Sponsor-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\ > Imagine a credit card with a 0% introductory APR on purchases (for > complete pricing information and important terms and conditions, > please click on the link below). Apply now for an Aria Visa! > http://click.topica.com/3Lb1dhdKb1tdQUc/Aria > \=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/ > > ___ > To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Make A Buck Or Two @ TheMail.com - Free Internet Email > Sign-up today at http://www.themail.com/ref.htm?ref=126357 > referrer name = john_tCheck it out! It works! > > ___ > T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 > Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics > > ___ To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Make A Buck Or Two @ TheMail.com - Free Internet Email Sign-up today at http://www.themail.com/ref.htm?ref=126357 referrer name = john_tCheck it out! It works! ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
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- Original Message - From: "Troy Heagy > >From: maree > > > Some have suggested we should do the same here. That way, people would > >have > > > 5 votes and not be afraid to vote for smaller parties. > > > > > > Troy > > > > >How do you work out they get 5 votes ? > >maree > > > > The Australian ballots I've seen have 5 lines. You list the candidates you > like, best to worst. That's basically 5 votes... unless of course, you > choose to leave some lines blank. > Well, you haven't seen many Aus ballots, Have you ? We have candidates listed in order, that they are drawn. That is, candidates names are placed in containers, of the same size and drawn out, to see in what order they are listed.. similar to alottery, in Commonwealth elections they actually, use table tennis balls with numbers. Therefore, the first person to nominate has the first ball drawn out, etc.. then all the numbers corespond to a candidate.. they are then redraw to determine ballot position. Some areas have far more that 5 candidates standing for election. Voters number the boxes in order of preference, they do not list candidates. > For example, my presidential ballot might read: > 1. Harry Browne (the best man for the job IMO) > 2. John McCain > 3. George Bush > 4. Al Gore > 5. Buchanan > > Obviously, Harry Browne won't win. But I don't feel like I've "wasted my > vote" by listing him. Even if Browne is rejected as unpopular, John McCain > becomes my #2 vote... then George Bush my #3 vote... and so on. > Maybe, maybe not... but I suppose it is a simple explanation. What it basically means is that those 19000 votes that were in didpute, and those votes that went to lesser candidates, by having a preferential system, they would have been passed on to other candidates. May have lessened the chaos, but then again... may not ! > > The U.S. has absorbed ideas from all around the world... Roman laws, British > courts, German superhighways, Chinese cuisine... perhaps it's time to borrow > our voting system from the Australians? > > Troy > Please do, we are a caring and sharing nation, you know maree > _ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > /=-=-=-=-Click Here & Support Our Sponsor-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\ > Imagine a credit card with a 0% introductory APR on purchases (for > complete pricing information and important terms and conditions, > please click on the link below). Apply now for an Aria Visa! > http://click.topica.com/3Lb1dhdKb1tdQUc/Aria > \=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/ > > ___ > To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Make A Buck Or Two @ TheMail.com - Free Internet Email > Sign-up today at http://www.themail.com/ref.htm?ref=126357 > referrer name = john_tCheck it out! It works! > > ___ > T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 > Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics > ___ To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Make A Buck Or Two @ TheMail.com - Free Internet Email Sign-up today at http://www.themail.com/ref.htm?ref=126357 referrer name = john_tCheck it out! It works! ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
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