Re: Current state of enterprise frameworks

Apache Cayenne / Bootique.io / Agrest.io :) Just myself and my company implemented more than a hundred of various business automation applications with this stack. Other people in this community did too. Cheers, Andrus > On Oct 2, 2023, at 6:27 PM, Michael Kondratov via Webobjects-dev > wr

Re: [Proposal] Drop Wonder's Ant Build

> On Jun 29, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Aaron Rosenzweig via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > In fact, a close second (some would say #1 benefit) is MUCH FASTER builds. > Like 17 times faster. Use mvnd for faster parallel Maven builds: https://github.com/apache/maven-mvnd

Re: Complimentary App Server

Good question... With the decline in server-generated HTML, the session state can be shuffled outside the server app: * Client UI state is kept on the client (browser, mobile app) * Security state (authentication, roles) is restored based on a client-passed token either from a server DB or by de

Re: Complimentary App Server Choice

> >> On 13 Feb 2020, at 12:25, Andrus Adamchik > <mailto:and...@objectstyle.org>> wrote: >> >> My opinionated take is the following: >> >> * The "official" JavaEE is dead and is now a pure volunteer effort under >> https://jakarta.ee

Re: Complimentary App Server Choice

ks really interesting… > > Is it a commercially viable alternative to some of the others like JBoss, > Tomcat, Websphere etc.. > > I would like to add another feather to my bow but not really sure which > architecture to devote time to so that I can work on bigger projects in a

Re: Complimentary App Server Choice

We are using Bootique: https://bootique.io/ Just like SpringBoot, its idea is that it is not an "appserver". It gives you a plain Java app with your own "main" method, and a way to assemble various components together (and also modularity, dependency injection, consistent

Re: On the future of WO (here we go again)

Hi Faizel, FWIW, Cayenne actually supports various custom metadata in the model. There is a generic extension mechanism that allows any tool (CayenneModeler, class generator, etc.) to embed and read stuff in the project XML that is not a part of the main schema, that can be associated with spec

Re: Invitation: WebObjects Developer Meeting on April 11th 2019 in Frankfurt am Main

Hi Rene, A practical question. There was no payment requested during the registration for WODay. So how and when do I pay my share? Thanks, Andrus > On Feb 15, 2019, at 4:38 PM, René Bock wrote: > > Dear WebObjects friends and Wonder veterans, > > it's time to meet again. We are all dealing

Re: Invitation: WebObjects Developer Meeting on April 11th 2019 in Frankfurt am Main

René, thanks for organizing it. Looks like there'll be a great company. I am seriously considering coming as well. Maybe this time I can show my new toy - DFLib [1] :) Andrus [1] https://github.com/nhl/dflib > On Feb 15, 2019, at 5:04 PM, Hugi Thordarson wrote: > > That's awesome René, than

Re: Reading EOModel files

Cayenne wocompat module may get you started. Feel free to fork and customize. IIRC there's no "write" operation at the moment. https://github.com/apache/cayenne/tree/master/modeler/cayenne-wocompat http://search.maven.org/#artifactdetails%7Corg.apache.cayenne.modeler%7Ccayenne-wocompat%7C4.0.B1%7

Re: Any Spring experts out there?

Spring yet). Anyways, will be happy to chat about any of this. Please email me off-list if you are interested. Thanks, Andrus Adamchik --- ObjectStyle CEO, Chief Consultant @andrus_a | @ObjectStyle | @BootiqueProject US +1.917.3047896 | Belarus +375.29.8744023 > On Jun

Re: Slack is ....

> I tried to follow the threads but soon got lost. I strongly suggest that such > technical issues MUST NOT be discussed on Slack but must be CARRIED OUT ON > THE MAILING LIST. Slack is not searchable, the threads are not followable, > Google does not index Slack discussions (as far as I know).

Re: Going out of the community

Hi Pascal, That's another end-of-era event for WO :) Thanks for all the work you've done. And do enjoy your life! Andrus > On Oct 7, 2016, at 1:44 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > In the events in my life in the last year, and having someone new in my > heart, I realize tha

Re: WOWODC slides/videos

I also started a LinkMove support forum at https://groups.google.com/forum/?#!forum/linkmove-user There was interest in the conference from multiple people, so I figured we'd need a place to chat about LM. Andrus > On Jul 1, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: > > Shar

WOWODC slides/videos

Sharing slides and videos from my 2 presentations at WOWODC. If you find them interesting/useful, don't forget to login to GitHub and give a star to a corresponding project :) 1. Bootique - modern Java stack without a contianer: http://www.slideshare.net/andrus_a/bootiqueio-at-wowodc-2016 https

Re: Going Server-side with Swift Open Source

+1. Kotlin looks interesting and doesn't require you to start from scratch. > On Jun 16, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > > Not to mention the enormous selection of Java libraries. If you really don’t > like Java, try Kotlin (https://kotlinlang.org) which does run on the JVM and > is

Re: Crazy idea: rewrite the WO examples in something else

Haha, yeah, looks like it. > On May 20, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Aaron Rosenzweig wrote: > > I'm now "the Aaron" as in "the Donald" haha > AARON ROSENZWEIG / Chat 'n Bike > e: aa...@chatnbike.com t: (301) 956-2319 > > > On May 20, 20

Re: Crazy idea: rewrite the WO examples in something else

Would be nice to rewrite them in Bootique. We haven't integrated anything like Tapestry or Spring MVC in there yet (though we can, easily). Just never had enough interest, as most web UI's these days are done in JS (Angular, React, Sencha, etc. - essentially the Aaron's approach), so the Java pa

Re: How do you deploy maven artifacts to staging/production?

As a long-time user of maven-release-plugin and various maven repos , I have a mixed feeling about them. They are ok for releasing *libraries*, but are much less practical for *apps*. Our latest solution for the apps is centered around a CI server (Bamboo in our case, but can be Jenkins, etc.) i

Re: WOWODC 2016: call for papers!

> On Jan 27, 2016, at 2:09 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: > >> >> - using Jersey to build RESTful applications using WO and EOF > > Hum. I would be interested to see how it’s better than ERRest. And how it compares to LinkRest :) Andrus ___ Do not pos

Re: Instance becomes unresponsive after 12 hours

Here is my favorite: jstat -gc 1 3000 Attaches to a local Java process and prints all minor and major GC's. Usually more detailed than VisualVM. Andrus --- Andrus Adamchik @andrus_a | @ApacheCayenne > On Jan 24, 2016, at 10:19 PM, Maik Musall wrote: > > H

Re: WOWODC 2016: call for papers!

I'd like to build on the Cayenne/LinkRest topics presented previously in Hamburg and Montreal and to get into modern Java architectures and some aspects of Domain Driven Design. I am thinking of the following two things: 1. No container: example of modern Java stack with Bootique Java applicati

Re: WO Jobs in Southern Germany

DI itself simply facilitates a very clean pluggable architecture if you use it right. And no, WO/EOF doesn't have it. And yes, it is a problem. Just ask the folks who are trying to write unit tests against EOF ;) Andri -- Andrus Adamchik @

Re: WOWODC 2013 presentations

015, at 9:34 PM, Patrick Robinson wrote: > > Were the WOWODC 2013 recordings ever made available? > > Andrus: I'm particularly looking for your Tapestry/Cayenne sessions, but > can't find 'em anywhere! > > Thanks, > > - Patrick > > >

Re: Access to EOF/WebObjects source files - plan for the, future? #2

> some modern JEE technology (like CDI and JAX-RS/HAL You can use JAX-RS / LinkRest [1] / Cayenne. There's no WO visual component in a REST stack, so you won't be losing much by switching from WO. And you'll get a fully open source solution. Andrus [1] https://github.com/nhl/link-rest On Oct

Re: Access to EOF/WebObjects source files - plan for the future?

On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:44 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: > If you use ERRest, Andrus also have a REST framework > (https://github.com/nhl/link-rest) that works with Cayenne. Maybe you guys can invite me to WOWODC next year - I can do LinkRest presentation. It is good stuff and is quickly evolving to

Re: Access to EOF/WebObjects source files - plan for the future?

4:23 PM, Patrick Robinson wrote: > Hi Andrus, > > Are you still also using (and happy with) Apache Tapestry? > > Just curious, > > - Patrick > > > On Sep 18, 2014, at 7:41 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: > >> WO in its binary form miraculously survived Java

Re: Access to EOF/WebObjects source files - plan for the future?

WO in its binary form miraculously survived Java evolution for so many years. Not knowing the details of Java 9, I can't say what the next workaround will be, but I know there will be one :) But seriously, you should probably start looking at Apache Cayenne or other alternatives. You may check

LinkRest [Was [ANN] Montage Studio]

it ;) Cheers, Andrus --- Andrus Adamchik Apache Cayenne ORM: http://cayenne.apache.org/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/ApacheCayenne ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@

Re: Mountain Lion WO Deployment Package by WEBAPPZ

On Apr 9, 2014, at 6:28 PM, Allen Cronce wrote: > If anyone is interested in testing their SSL deployment, here's a link to a > test site: > > http://filippo.io/Heartbleed/ I run this script from my local machine to avoid advertising the holes in my infrastructure to third parties :) https:

Re: Which open source alternative to use to replace WebObjects 4.5.1/Objective-C codebase?

It has been my experience migrating a number of customers to Cayenne from WO over the years, that a if planned properly, a rewrite may not be as scary as it sounds. Essentially it becomes a part of planned evolution. Since Cayenne and WO apps can share the same DB, you simply keep your old WO ap

Re: Which open source alternative to use to replace WebObjects 4.5.1/Objective-C codebase?

Apache Cayenne / Tapestry: https://github.com/andrus/wowodc13 http://www.slideshare.net/wocommunity/1-life-outsidewo http://www.slideshare.net/wocommunity/2-apache-cayenneforwebobjectsdevelopers Andrus On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Chris Rasch wrote: > Hi > > The company I work for currently h

Re: WOWODC 2013 presentations

n the recordings yet. I guess they are not yet >> ready. >> On Jul 23, 2013, at 8:38 AM, D Tim Cummings wrote: >>> Are the recordings available yet? I have viewed the slides and they are >>> very interesting. Tim >>> On 19/07/2013, at 8:35 PM, Andrus Adamchi

Re: WOWODC 2013 presentations

Haven't heard from Pascal on the recordings yet. I guess they are not yet ready. On Jul 23, 2013, at 8:38 AM, D Tim Cummings wrote: > Are the recordings available yet? I have viewed the slides and they are very > interesting. > > Tim > > > > > On 19/07/2

Re: WOWODC 2013 presentations

Now that Cayenne 3.2M1 is released, I updated GitHub code with the official version. So now you can actually compile and run the examples at https://github.com/andrus/wowodc13 yourself. Andrus On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:10 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: > And I just uploaded the Cayenne/Tapes

Re: Pure EOF and gwt

On Jul 18, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Pierre Gilquin wrote: > GRAVE: Error filterStart There's some Cayenne startup error. If I had to guess, the following problems are the most common: 1. No DB driver on CLASSPATH (either in .war WEB-INF/lib/ or in Tomcat lib/) 2. No cayenne-server.jar in .war WEB-I

Re: Pure EOF and gwt

Yeah, feel free to take this to Cayenne list. Make sure you post the full web.xml and the stack trace. There's something in the startup order. Also consider using Cayenne 3.1 (beta). Stack bootstrap is different, and much cleaner in it. Andrus On Jul 18, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Pierre Gilquin wrot

Re: Pure EOF and gwt

Maybe just use Cayenne. It is trivial to bootstrap in a Java webapp: https://github.com/andrus/wowodc13 http://cayenne.apache.org/ Andrus On Jul 18, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Pierre Gilquin wrote: > Hi all, > > I try to make a minimum app in gwt using pure (Wonder) EOF for accessing data. > > > i

Re: WOWODC 2013 presentations

I should also mention that the Cayenne version in the POM (3.2M1.r1486473) is just a fake version of what is essentially a nightly build of trunk. We'll be releasing 3.2M1 shortly, so I'll update GitHub with a real publicly available version. Andrus On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:10

Re: WOWODC 2013 presentations

And I just uploaded the Cayenne/Tapestry code that was shown during the demo sessions to GitHub: https://github.com/andrus/wowodc13 These are fully working (albeit simple) apps. This should get you started on your next Cayenne[Tapestry] app ;) Andrus On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:36 AM, Pascal Robert

Re: Can WOWODC folks make this happen some day

FWIW, in our company we have people using either Eclipse or Idea IDE, working on the same very large and complex (non-WO) code base. There are IDE choices and Maven-based Java projects are fully IDE-agnostic and let anyone to pick their favorite tool. Andrus On Jun 17, 2013, at 8:44 AM, Chris

WOWODC Cayenne training day on June 23

data fresh; how to use DataChannel filters and lifecycle annotations for workflow tasks. See you there :) Andrus --- Andrus Adamchik Apache Cayenne ORM: http://cayenne.apache.org/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/ApacheCayenne ___ Do not

Re: EOF Multi-tenancy

Certainly a possibility. Ping me when you know the time and place (and I'll try to watch the list fir updates). On Oct 19, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: > Come do a presentation about Cayenne at WOWODC :-) > >> Or use Cayenne 3.1 ;) >> >> On Oct 19, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Pascal Robert w

Re: EOF Multi-tenancy

Or use Cayenne 3.1 ;) On Oct 19, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: > Check: > > https://github.com/hprange/multi-tenant-prototype > > I think Michael Gargano is using it with good success. Check the "model > connections to multiple DBs" thread from April 2011 and "Different Database >

Re: Opinions on OpenJDK

There is a developer preview for OS X: http://jdk7.java.net/macportpreview/ On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:03 PM, John Huss wrote: > Are you building with it on a Mac? If so, how? > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Simon wrote: > We're building on it as well as deploying on it > > > On Monday, 5

Re: Entirely independent EOF on Quartz Threads - How to do?

of Quartz headless processor, so it should be much easier switch compared to a webapp. I've done a bunch of Cayenne/Quartz projects for different customers, and parallel execution has never been a problem. Just my 0.02 Andrus ------- Andrus Adamchik Apache Cayenne ORM: http://cayenne.apac

woproject-dev lights out

ed by friendly projects (currently - a Maven repo for things missing in central). Maybe someday there will be a case for reviving the site, but for now we are done. Thanks for sticking around. Thanks, Andrus (P.S. don't bother replying to woproject list of course. You may send replies to th

Re: Wiki and WOCommunity users

Thank you guys for the kind words. I was always amazed how much energy there is in this community, considering the circumstances and non cooperation from the owner of the WO technology. So good luck to you moving forward :-) Cheers, Andrus On Dec 22, 2011, at 9:46 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > On 20

Re: Finding WO people for startups

On Sep 26, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Jim Kinsey wrote: > Sadly, I am no longer using WO professionally and only maintain an interest > for a side project. As for what happened on my last team, the new devs got > their way and the system was ported to Hibernate. Amusingly, this is still > not in produc

Re: Finding WO people for startups

On Sep 26, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: > Andrus, I have to ask a legal question: since people say Cayenne is EOF-like, > does Cayenne is clean of EOF patents? I am answering this question following what wise people elsewhere in the open source world advise to do in this case: I hav

Re: Finding WO people for startups

On Sep 26, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Alexander Spohr wrote: > Am 26.09.2011 um 07:39 schrieb John Huss: > >> Cayenne + Tapestry > > We tried it some years ago (it might have evolved) in a larger project > (customer did not want WO) but it was not ready. And every new release broke > some APIs... Ca

Re: Help on incorporating the WOCommunity Association

Project Wonder is BSD-licensed, WOLips was Apache licensed the last time I checked... Both licenses are ASF-friendly (obviously) and that by itself gets us pretty far. The practical requirement to start releasing all this code as "Apache WOSomething" is to track down all contributors and ask t

Re: Help on incorporating the WOCommunity Association

I was trying to find a statement on the association objectives. Here is a crazy idea - maybe instead of starting a new non-profit, the community should consider taking the open source parts of the WO code and join the Apache Software Foundation. The benefits are the following: * WOCommunity wi

Re: Any one try making a db4o adapter for EO?

I am interested in this topic from the Apache Cayenne perspective, but haven't explored it yet beyond the analysis of the data model mismatch. Too early to tell how usable would be an ORM API on top of a NoSQL DB. And of course there's no single "NoSQL model", there's actually a bunch of incompa

Re: Java apps not in new Mac App Store???

On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Simon wrote: > Oracle will pick up from here and we'll have > regular updates and access to the latest kit I wish there was a statement from Oracle to that effect. That would've been great news indeed. Andrus ___ Do

Re: Blog posts on the wiki

I added blogging permissions to "wonder-developers" group. Chuck is in this group. Cheers, Andrus On Sep 24, 2010, at 9:22 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: > > Le 2010-09-24 à 13:52, Chuck Hill a écrit : > >> >> On Sep 24, 2010, at 4:33 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: >> >>> Following the news from last n

Re: WWDC? (Was: Snow Leopard, Apache 2.2, Skewed Load Balancing?)

I'll be there. Even though I am not doing any WO work these days, wouldn't mind having a beer with the WO folks ;-) Andrus On May 27, 2010, at 4:18 AM, David LeBer wrote: Sadly, I won't be at WWDC this year. My house is getting renovated and I want to keep an eye on it. Will you be at W

Re: WO alternatives

I am working on a set of rather complex apps serving a major entertainment site with tens of millions daily visitors. Feel free to email me if you have specific questions about this setup. I should mention here that Tapestry having a built-in dependency injection container is a big part of

Re: WO alternatives

I don't care for the XML databases per se, but the wider self declared NoSQL "movement", aside from the annoying hype that is so hard to escape, presents some interesting RDBMS alternatives, none requiring an ORM. E.g. a content repository API that is presumably great for CMS apps: http

Re: WO alternatives

On Oct 9, 2009, at 5:53 AM, Daniel Mejia wrote: Thank you for your information. In the ORM side we have in the list Hibernate, Cayenne and EclipseLink . For the presentation layer we are going to check Tapestry. Saludos, Daniel. Hi Daniel, As one of Cayenne authors, I should mention th

Re: WebObjects and dependency injection (DI)

On Sep 22, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: We normally use Class.forName().newInstance() in some way or other to handle that. So can DI help me there? If yes, how? Also there's a number of standard scenarios, where you can swap the actual service implementation behin

Re: WebObjects and dependency injection (DI)

On Sep 22, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Anjo Krank wrote: My argument being, I have a lot of code that depends on various "services" and their instantiation. But 90% of the time, this code depends on user input, program state and external stuff. It's very rare that I actually know at compile time wha

Re: WebObjects and dependency injection (DI)

On Sep 22, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Lachlan Deck wrote: Yeah, this is what I assumed Anjo was getting at - after some thought, of course (as Anjo's usually the king of succinctness :) It seems to me that factory instantiations (as above) and/or making use of delegates provides all the opportun

Re: WebObjects and dependency injection (DI)

with interfaces, not to mention missing constructors. Cheers, Anjo Am 21.09.2009 um 21:17 schrieb Andrus Adamchik: Hi Henrique, Nice, thanks for sharing this info. Yeah, going through WOApplication and WOComponentDefinition, I realized I was too optimistic. Most interesting methods that w

Re: WebObjects and dependency injection (DI)

heers, Andrus - Andrus Adamchik Apache Cayenne ORM: http://cayenne.apache.org/ Creator of Cayenne, VP Apache Software Foundation On Sep 21, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Henrique Prange wrote: Hi Andrus, Andrus Adamchik wrote: I know it is not the traditional "

WebObjects and dependency injection (DI)

I know it is not the traditional "WO way" of doing things, but from my experience using a dependency injection container in your app (Spring, Guice, etc.) is one single thing that you can do to dramatically improve the design quality, and produce flexible and maintainable code. WO does a bi

Re: http://wiki.objectstyle.org/ appears to be down.

Hmm.. works for me. On Jun 19, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: http://wiki.objectstyle.org/ appears to be down. Any idea when it will be up? ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list

Re: [OT] local persistence ORM

It is not really hypothetical. Cayenne has H2 adapter and is tested with H2, as well as Derby. I prefer Derby, as HSQLDB (the predecessor of H2) had some concurrent access issues, while Derby does not. Andrus On Apr 10, 2009, at 6:08 PM, Stamenkovic Florijan wrote: Hi John, Hm... Mayb

Re: maven.

# of interdependent projects. On Apr 3, 2009, at 5:23 PM, Miguel Arroz wrote: Hi! On 2009/04/03, at 14:31, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Ant is actually nice, but it doesn't scale. Maven scales, but otherwise sucks. What exactly do you mean by "scale" applied to a build syste

Re: maven.

Ant is actually nice, but it doesn't scale. Maven scales, but otherwise sucks. Build systems are complex, so I guess there's no simple solution. I am mildly curious to check out Ruby-based build systems for Java (http://buildr.apache.org/ ), but I am not holding my breath. Andrus On Apr 3

EOF -> Cayenne [Was: Hibernate]

If you can't use WO/EOF for whatever reason, just switch to Apache Cayenne - user-friendly, powerful and open source. And it will convert most EOModels via the GUI for you (and give a good enough approximation for those that it can't convert). Seems like a straightforward choice to me ;-)

Re: WOWiki: New User

://wiki.objectstyle.org? I was thinking of putting an article or two on D2W (in particular features that apply to Ajax/Web 2.0 and ERDivaLook) Thanks, Ravi Begin forwarded message: From: Andrus Adamchik Date: 21 February 2009 22:46:48 GMT+01:00 To: Ravi Mendis Subject: Re: WOWiki: New User Hi Ravi, this is

Re: Criticism of Java Persistence Frameworks Blog Post

On Dec 5, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: http://fromapitosolution.blogspot.com/2008/12/criticism-of-java-persistence.html WebObjects gets mentioned twice. Might be an interesting read if you have spare time. Chuck The blog post is clueless, and "criticism" is very shallow and missing

Re: http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence dead?

Restarted... It required so little maintenance for the last 6 months that I got too complacent :-) Now it looks like it ran out of memory on export operation. Now investigating whether this was a DOS, or that some recent content additions somehow resulted in memory requirements increase.

Re: WebObjects Nightly Builds and WOLips addition

On Jun 12, 2008, at 4:34 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: My question was more of this: I already keep my dependancies (as deployed) in svn. So I don't have any fear of them being unavailable in the future. Given that (and that I am comfortable with the implications of that as I understand them), w

Re: WebObjects Nightly Builds and WOLips addition

There is an undeniable improvement over .5 - .8 versions that I watched closely (I haven't checked 2.0.9 yet). There is still hope in the evolution... Andrus On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:26 PM, Henrique Prange wrote: I think it is true for Maven 2.0.8 and older. But Maven 2.0.9 have plug-in vers

Re: WebObjects Nightly Builds and WOLips addition

There is one thing about Maven that I still don't get - blind advocacy that lures new users by forgetting to mention the "misery" factor. Some projects just have this aura of a cult that ignores all criticism. Please don't take this personally. I am simply referring to a repeating pattern t

Re: WebObjects Nightly Builds and WOLips addition

Maybe not "intuitive". But "predictable" is definitely a property of Ant, but not Maven. Andrus On Jun 11, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Anjo Krank wrote: Am 11.06.2008 um 11:59 schrieb Q: intuitive configurability as ant. Uh. You're kidding, right? Right?? Cheers, Anjo _

Re: WebObjects Nightly Builds and WOLips addition

In the sake of a balanced view you may also read this: http://tapestryjava.blogspot.com/2007/11/maven-wont-get-fooled-again.html Sort of matches my experience - the stated benefits of Maven are too big to resist the switch, but get ready for some major pain. Andrus On Jun 11, 2008, at 1

Re: WO and Clouds

I am at a planning stage of a cloud-like in-house setup, so I'd also like to hear real-life cloud experience stories (maybe we don't need to be in-house). My biggest concern with third-party hosting so far is that it is rather new and you have no idea what pitfalls to expect, and how well t

Re: Terracotta and EOF

I was toying with idea to use Terracotta as a possible clustering solution for Cayenne ORM. Thought it can be used selectively for the "cache" parts of the stack. But there are better, more targeted ways to do cache syncing. The other thing - reattaching to the cluster would only require te

Re: Using Design Patterns ???

IMO all the answers about MVC are off target (although the links to WO architecture are helpful by themselves). The fact that WO is MVC per se has little to do with a decision to use DAO and such... Since MVC was mentioned, let me delve into that. My assertion is that calling WO (or most ot

Re: JSF

Yeah... JSF is a mess. So is the underlying JSP. Tapestry can't keep compatibility with itself for more than a year in a row, and hence can't be used for enterprise applications that have a much longer maintenance lifespan. And now with web development going all JavaScript, the talent pool

Re: leeches?

If it comes to bandwidth, I think we can afford it. I am currently paying about $5/month for hosting remote server backups. For 5 bucks my package gives me 100 GB of disk space and 1.2TB of bandwidth (not sure if they actually allow you to use all that; and not sure about the transfer speed

Re: Database choices

Same here. Until recently I didn't care about MySQL at all, but after a year of running a clustered installation on a *very* active site that previously ran on Oracle, I'd say it is a very good choice... Although the site is heavily skewed towards reads. Not sure how well MySQL behaves wit

Re: WO(Re)petition

ake the right choice. As you see I haven't argued for or against open sourcing WO, but let's be reasonable and not generalize too much. Andrus Adamchik ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mai

Re: which blogs to read?

boot. On 03/08/2007, at 11:43 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Cool! So is there still interest (or point) in setting up planetwo.objectstyle.org? Pretty URL maybe? :-) Any thoughts? Andrus On Aug 3, 2007, at 9:15 AM, Q wrote: Here's one I prepared earlier. (ok, so maybe I did i

Re: which blogs to read?

gspot.com/ http://www.wiredflux.com/blog On 2 Aug 2007, at 3:06 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Well, this is not about just links - it has to be a blog (or a similar site) that has an RSS feed. So many of the links below would not qualify because of that. Andrus ___

Re: which blogs to read?

Well, this is not about just links - it has to be a blog (or a similar site) that has an RSS feed. So many of the links below would not qualify because of that. Andrus On Aug 3, 2007, at 12:54 AM, David Holt wrote: Some additional links that appear to be missing from Kieran's list: http

Re: which blogs to read?

Yeah - let me take a shot at this over the weekend. Roller engine is already setup, but I'll need to setup a subdomain on Apache and load the links. Andrus On Aug 3, 2007, at 12:35 AM, Ray Kiddy wrote: So, Andrus. You offered. This should be a start, yes? - ray On Aug 2, 2007, at 2:24 PM

Re: which blogs to read?

Coincidentally I just installed Roller blogging software on ObjectStyle.org for an unrelated project. It has a "planet" feature. If somebody can compile a list of WO blogs, I can set up a planetwo.objectstyle.org. Andrus On Aug 2, 2007, at 11:48 PM, Ray Kiddy wrote: I do not know about

Re: WOBuilder Replacement

I am skeptical about fundraising in general, but then somehow even losing US political candidates manage to raise tens of millions for their campaigns, so what do I know :-) Good luck! And maybe if you raise the cash upfront (as opposed to trying to recoup the costs by selling licenses afte

Re: WebObjects documentation site

On Jul 3, 2007, at 3:34 AM, Ian Joyner wrote: I appreciate the effort to provide a better level of documentation at the objectstyle confluence site. However, I'd have to say, I like the look of the wikibook a lot better (even though it wastes space on the LHS). Is it possible to give a con

Re: WebObjects documentation site

Wonder if this tool can help (Wikibooks is still MediaWiki, right) http://intient.com/wiki/index.php/Mediawiki_to_Confluence_Translator Andrus On Jul 2, 2007, at 11:18 PM, Andrew Lindesay wrote: Hello Mark; It would be good if there is an intention to extract and re-import the material at

Re: WebObjects documentation site

On Jul 2, 2007, at 5:34 PM, Steven Mark McCraw wrote: When you have chosen a topic that you want to write on, edit the entry for that topic and change the '**' on the end to '(under construction)'. As soon as you have your article in place, you can just remove the '(under construction)' f

Re: JavaClient alternatives

e EOF, delivered through a web service. Cheers, Andrus Adamchik On Jun 23, 2007, at 8:42 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: I think it would be a good idea of listing JavaClient alternatives and checking if they work great with a WO backend or not. A small list : - Mozilla XUL (either with XULRunner

Re: Getting Started With WO site

On Jun 19, 2007, at 1:50 AM, Mike Schrag wrote: Yeah it seemed like it would be nicer going in, but once the content was in there it has been less than useful ... The one big benefit of it is that it's not going away any time soon, which can't necessarily be said of any place that might ho

Re: Getting Started With WO site

I can create a Confluence Wonder space if requested on ObjectStyle.org. Just let me know who wants to be the main admin for that space and if there is a consensus among potential volunteer authors that the docs should be maintained there. Andrus On Jun 19, 2007, at 2:30 AM, Chuck Hill wro

Re: News from Webobjecs sessions

On Jun 16, 2007, at 1:56 AM, Pierre Bernard wrote: Hibernate is a joke of a pile of crap! It is by no means a persistence framework. You might at best call it a SQL generator. No validation, no object graph management, makes you have SQL-like Strings in your Java code, ... Hehe, hear ya

Re: historical context ...

The only way WebObjects was really usable was when consultants with experience and skills brought it into a company and applied it's capabilities intelligently. Being a WO consultant myself, I agree on this. Once WO got cheap, it didn't make any sense for those consultants to continue to p

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