Has there been any development in a replacement for WOBuilder?
Although XCODE is dead I rely quite a lot on some sort of visual
binding and element view and so keep on using it for that.
Any news would be good - I have seen the thread on the WIKI but
that does not have a conclusion - and I
This post ought to be sent to WO-talk, but I can't post there right now.
A lot of people say that because Apple is using WO internally, we
need not worry about WO death.
I agree with that, but I am starting to wonder whether Apple using WO
is a good thing for WO...
If Apple had chosen
Mike Schrag and I kicked this idea around a while back. We made a
ballpark estimate of US$100,000 to US$150,000 in development
costs. Still want to contribute financially? :-)
Yes why not? That's 100$ for 1000 persons, or 200$ for 500 persons.
It seems reasonable to me.
I'd certainly buy
On 5 Jul 2007, at 08:32, Jean Pierre Malrieu wrote:
What prevent Apple from publishing clear roadmaps for WO?
On the subject of road maps, I don't think there has been any public
announcement of what was said at WWDC yet has there ? I have been
away for a week, but I'm sure the mailing
On 5 Jul 2007, at 08:32, Jean Pierre Malrieu wrote:
A lot of people say that because Apple is using WO internally, we
need not worry about WO death.
I don't see Apple's use of it as a reason not to worry about WO
death. They tend to do what the hell they like anyway (like
deprecating
On 05/07/2007, at 5:32 PM, Jean Pierre Malrieu wrote:
This post ought to be sent to WO-talk, but I can't post there right
now.
A lot of people say that because Apple is using WO internally, we
need not worry about WO death.
I agree with that, but I am starting to wonder whether Apple using
Le 07-07-05 à 03:12, Jean Pierre Malrieu a écrit :
Has there been any development in a replacement for WOBuilder?
Although XCODE is dead I rely quite a lot on some sort of visual
binding and element view and so keep on using it for that.
Any news would be good - I have seen the thread on the
Hi!
One thing that Apple has cleared showed it's clients is that they
don't specially care about backward compatibility beyond a certain
point. If they think there's a clear advantage in doing something,
they will do it, like moving to Apache 2, etc. So I don't think that
backward
Chuck Hill pisze:
On Jul 4, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Ketema J. Harris wrote:
I appreciate the advice. I now have Eclipse up an WOLips installed.
I am running through some tutorials and have a bunch to learn.
In one of the links provided by Chuck, I noticed that apache can be
used as the
Le 5 juil. 07 à 09:57, Pascal Robert a écrit :
Le 07-07-05 à 03:12, Jean Pierre Malrieu a écrit :
Has there been any development in a replacement for WOBuilder?
Although XCODE is dead I rely quite a lot on some sort of visual
binding and element view and so keep on using it for that.
Any
Hi Pascal -
Have you asked the 82 organisations how much they would pay ? We
would buy 3 seats at 400 USD each.
Simon
On 5 Jul 2007, at 08:57, Pascal Robert wrote:
Le 07-07-05 à 03:12, Jean Pierre Malrieu a écrit :
Has there been any development in a replacement for WOBuilder?
I too would pay $400
Gino
On 5 Jul 2007, at 09:55, Simon McLean wrote:
Hi Pascal -
Have you asked the 82 organisations how much they would pay ? We
would buy 3 seats at 400 USD each.
Simon
On 5 Jul 2007, at 08:57, Pascal Robert wrote:
Le 07-07-05 à 03:12, Jean Pierre Malrieu a écrit
On 5 Jul 2007, at 09:53, Jean Pierre Malrieu wrote:
Let's say 500$ for a fully functional, polished EntityModeler /
WOBuilder bundle...
That would be a fair reward, considering all the stuff Mike gave to
the community.
Now that is a fine idea.
Simon
Hi,
I'm not sure my subject is understandable, anyway.
Assuming I have an object x, I'm manipulating it in an editing
context. At a certain point I need to get the original object (the
one from the database) but without changing anything to the one in my
editing context.
How could I do
Hi guys,
I'm having a problem w/ the Dictionary returned by the DirectAction's
form values. More precisely, I have a DirectAction w/ some form
values like:
...DirectAction.woa/wa/default?key1=value1key2=value2
The method request().formValues() returns an NSDictionary looking
like that:
Although $500 might be a fair reward for such a tool, I truly doubt
that enough parties would pay it to cover Chuck's and Mike's estimates.
I think that there are few on this list who individually, or whose
companies, would pony up $500 per developer head for an undeveloped
piece of
WO Dev wrote:
Hi,
I'm not sure my subject is understandable, anyway.
Assuming I have an object x, I'm manipulating it in an editing
context. At a certain point I need to get the original object (the one
from the database) but without changing anything to the one in my
editing context.
How
Pascal,
is it possible to see the results?
atze
Am 04.07.2007 um 02:34 schrieb Pascal Robert:
I know, it was Canada Day 3 days ago, and now it's Independance Day
in the States, but don't forget our community survey !
That is collective action. You are never sure others will behave in
a cooperative way. But you must trust others in order to get anything
happening. So perhaps, instead of saying what you think others will
do, you should tell us about what you can be reasonably sure about:
what price you
Xavier,
maybe you should use a second EOEditingContext to fetch that „original“?
Or you migrate to a second edcon before you start to modify?
atze
Am 05.07.2007 um 12:28 schrieb WO Dev:
Hi,
I'm not sure my subject is understandable, anyway.
Assuming I have an object x, I'm
Xavier,
EOF does this exact thing when it's deciding what has changed in your
object, and what updates it needs to perform. It does this by using
the snapshot, which is how I'd recommend you doing this as well.
It would help if you clued us in to *why* you need it - so that
answers
Thanks Cyryl,
Well I was hoping not to have to deal with I have to store the
object somewhere before even knowing I might need it's previous state
later;)
Xavier
WO Dev wrote:
Hi,
I'm not sure my subject is understandable, anyway.
Assuming I have an object x, I'm manipulating it in an
Hello Atze:),
I could do that. Am I going to have issues if I try to create a local
instance in my current editing context?
I'll try that, thanks
Xavier
Xavier,
maybe you should use a second EOEditingContext to fetch that
„original“?
Or you migrate to a second edcon before you start
I am skeptical about fundraising in general, but then somehow even
losing US political candidates manage to raise tens of millions for
their campaigns, so what do I know :-)
Good luck! And maybe if you raise the cash upfront (as opposed to
trying to recoup the costs by selling licenses
The problem is that we don't have How many licenses would you buy at
$X? which is really all that matters.
On Jul 5, 2007, at 8:34 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
Yes, the survey is asking that question with price ranges :
Some people think that what's missing from Eclipse/WOLips is a
graphical
Yes, the survey is asking that question with price ranges :
Some people think that what's missing from Eclipse/WOLips is a
graphical WOComponent editor to WebObjects Builder. Do you want such
a tool, and if yes, how much are you ready to give to have such a tool.
Yes, but it must be free
Those estimates were all for starting from scratch, which I believe
is what should be done (Apple will not release the source to the
original, anyway -- I've brought it up several times over the last
couple years). To do a WOBuilder properly, it needs to be
rethought. WOBuilder now is
I will post a preview of the stats this week-end.
Pascal,
is it possible to see the results?
atze
Am 04.07.2007 um 02:34 schrieb Pascal Robert:
I know, it was Canada Day 3 days ago, and now it's Independance
Day in the States, but don't forget our community survey !
Hi, Edgar,
The NSDictionary that you receive from request().formValues()
contains NSArray values for each key. WO must presume that the values
returned are arrays of values, because some form elements can return
an array of values and WO has no way of determining whether a given
form
Can't Apple be persuaded to contribute a small development team that
worked with other WO Community members on this...
That might bring costs down and offer a soft landing for those of us
that like to use a GUI to components and interface design...
Gino
On 5 Jul 2007, at 14:03, Jeremy
Although I understand the speed and the ease of Eclipses' Editor, I
must admit that sometimes I miss WOBuilder...
I'd gladly pay $500 for a full WOBuilder Replacement...with or
without Entity Modeler bundled (Since Mike is working on that
anyways...)...maybe 2 licenses.
I might be able to
People : I will create a specific survey in a couple of days about
WOLips and WOBuilder alternatives, so wait until next Monday (July
9th) to say how much licenses you will buy. It will be way more
easier to collect the numbers with a survey :-)
The problem is that we don't have How many
Hi,
On 05.07.2007, at 14:56, Jean-François Veillette wrote:
from your description, it look like 'formValues()' wrap all values in
an array (from the doc).
formValues()
Returns an NSDictionary containing all of the form data
with names for keys and
Hi Jerry,
On 05.07.2007, at 15:26, Jerry W. Walker wrote:
Hi, Edgar,
The NSDictionary that you receive from request().formValues()
contains NSArray values for each key. WO must presume that the
values returned are arrays of values, because some form elements
can return an array of
On 5-Jul-07, at 9:26 AM, Jerry W. Walker wrote:
Hi, Edgar,
The NSDictionary that you receive from request().formValues()
contains NSArray values for each key. WO must presume that the
values returned are arrays of values, because some form elements
can return an array of values and WO
I believe that Gino is on the right track here. Having heard Mike
Schrag speak at WOWODC, I am sure that he and his associates
could create a wonderful (no pun intended) new WOBuilder. But for
reasons apart from the financing, such an effort seems ill-advised at
this time.
The main
from your description, it look like 'formValues()' wrap all values in
an array (from the doc).
formValues()
Returns an NSDictionary containing all of the form data
with names for keys and NSArrays containing the value(s)
associated with
I'd like to vote for this method, not all of us use Eclipse. We have
4 WO developers, and we use IntelliJ.
On Jul 5, 2007, at 5:30 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
If we built a WOBuilder, we would really only build one that I
would use, too, so it has to not suck (this quite possibly means
such
Hi, David,
On Jul 5, 2007, at 9:36 AM, David LeBer wrote:
On 5-Jul-07, at 9:26 AM, Jerry W. Walker wrote:
Hi, Edgar,
The NSDictionary that you receive from request().formValues()
contains NSArray values for each key. WO must presume that the
values returned are arrays of values,
On 05.07.2007, at 09:52, Angelo Chen wrote:
I just installed the weobjects come with June 2007's
developer DVD, but any way to check what's the version
of this WebObjects?
cat /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaWebObjects.framework/Resources/
version.plist
That does the trick on Tiger and WO
On Jul 5, 2007, at 3:28 AM, WO Dev wrote:
Hi,
I'm not sure my subject is understandable, anyway.
Assuming I have an object x, I'm manipulating it in an editing
context. At a certain point I need to get the original object (the
one from the database) but without changing anything to the
On 05/07/2007, at 10:30 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
Those estimates were all for starting from scratch, which I believe
is what should be done (Apple will not release the source to the
original, anyway -- I've brought it up several times over the last
couple years). To do a WOBuilder properly,
On Jul 5, 2007, at 11:16 AM, Lachlan Deck wrote:
On 05/07/2007, at 10:30 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
Those estimates were all for starting from scratch, which I
believe is what should be done (Apple will not release the source
to the original, anyway -- I've brought it up several times over
On Jul 05, 2007, at 17:52, Angelo Chen wrote:
Hi,
I just installed the weobjects come with June 2007's
developer DVD, but any way to check what's the version
of this WebObjects?
Also I do see /application/Openbase folder, but can't
create any new database, any way to use Openbase?
Thanks.
Use the following for WebObjects version:
defaults read /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaWebObjects.framework/Resources/Info
CFBundleShortVersionString
For Openbase I am not so sure.
On 7/5/07, Florijan Stamenkovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 05, 2007, at 17:52, Angelo Chen wrote:
Hi,
There are a lot of good business reasons to _not_ develop this. I
notice that everyone wants Mike to do it. I don't see anyone who
thinks it is such a good idea that their company should do it. :-)
Chuck
Wise Chuck!
I also would like someone to develop a Cocoa EOF replacement, and pay
Hello Ken,
Xavier,
EOF does this exact thing when it's deciding what has changed in
your object, and what updates it needs to perform. It does this by
using the snapshot, which is how I'd recommend you doing this as well.
It would help if you clued us in to *why* you need it - so that
On Jul 5, 2007, at 3:32 PM, Ricardo Strausz wrote:
There are a lot of good business reasons to _not_ develop this. I
notice that everyone wants Mike to do it. I don't see anyone who
thinks it is such a good idea that their company should do it. :-)
Chuck
Wise Chuck!
I also would like
On Jul 5, 2007, at 1:16 PM, Galen Rhodes wrote:
I predict that, unless there is a financial reward of some kind,
that WOLips development will stagnate and/or come to a complete
halt within the next 18 months if not sooner. And yes, that is a
challenge to the developers to hopefully
On Jul 5, 2007, at 5:30 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
I think about this app all the time, but I just have not yet seen
the economics. I asked at WWDC who would pay real
money (granted, an unspecified amount) for a WOBuilder and VERY
few hands went up in a pretty large room of WO developers.
I
On Jul 5, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
* SNIP *
I doubt that very much. The development to date has been
developers building what _they_ personally need to get their job
done. Most of what is in Entity Modeler and WOComponent Editor are
things that Mike need to do his job more
Galen,
Take some slow deep breaths before your head explodes. Here's the
beauty of an open source project for you: you don't have to use it.
If you think it isn't meeting your needs, run along and pay for
something that will. If wonder dies, it dies, but right now a lot of
people see
Galen,
Maybe you've had some bad experiences with open source projects, but
in my view, the WO open source world has been growing and growing for
many many years. Maybe it's because it's built around a commercial
product that has extremely long legs... I don't know, but I don't
think
Hi there,
does anyone have any experience with receiving chunked data (or
perhaps sending chunked requests specifying the content-length with
Axis)?
I getting a 411 Length Required response in the client... so I'm
trying to ascertain whether there's some commons-httpclient setting
to
Post this on the Wonder list and Anjo can probably tell you more ...
Wonder has a replacement for WOHttpIO where Anjo implemented support
for chunked data.
/**
* Bugfix class that adds support for chunked content, which a HTTP
1.0 client MUST
* support. This is escpecially important for
Hello Benoit,
How are you handling sessions? When the Flash client requests a web
service, what URL does it use?
Chuck
On Jul 5, 2007, at 6:56 AM, Benoit Cantin wrote:
Dear list,
I would like to establish a connexion between a webobjects server
and a flash client.
To do so, I have
Dear list,
I would like to establish a connexion between a webobjects server and a
flash client.
To do so, I have to transfer the server's FQDN, or the server's IP
adress to the flash client as a flash variable passed to the swf.
The flash client, then, communicate through web services
Sorry, this has accumulted inside of me for months, listening to the
eclipse evangelism..., but mostly to xcode/wobuilder tools being
disparaged and ridiculed, along with those who prefer them ...
On 5-Jul-07, at 16:36 , Chuck Hill wrote:
While it is not flashy, it is far more productive
Ok people, let's cool down a bit. It's not easy with that big Sun
over us, but please wait until I get my WOLips survey up and
running. This way, everyone will be able to voice their opinion in a
structured way :-) It should be up before tomorrow night.
Really tired of what I see a pointless conversation, but there are a
couple of things I feel a need to address.
On Jul 5, 2007, at 5:22 PM, Louis Demers wrote:
To those who think WO will not go away because it's too significant
a framework and because Apple uses it, think MacApp... A very
On Jul 5, 2007, at 12:32 AM, Jean Pierre Malrieu wrote:
This post ought to be sent to WO-talk, but I can't post there right
now.
A lot of people say that because Apple is using WO internally, we
need not worry about WO death.
I agree with that, but I am starting to wonder whether Apple
Lastly, everybody is free to do what they want and I certainly
agree the we do not have any right to expect others to do work
freely for any of us. However I do not understand why there has to
be a business case for developing a WOBuilder replacement ? that it
must be absolutely profitable
As usual, Chuck says the same thing I do, but with 1/4 of the words :)
On Jul 5, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
a bunch of stuff
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Just bringing part of the discussion back here - as I don't think
that when chunking is turned on in the Axis client that the request
is making it to WO in the first place before getting a 411 error code.
Anyone have any ideas on this? e.g., anyone successfully using
chunking transfers
I was one of those who raised his hand - but honestly, I no longer
feel the same way, so it's even fewer than those few. Having digested
some of this discussion going on for the past several days, I've
arrived at the conclusion that, as many people have indicated, the
current WOComponent
there's a gentoo WO installation guide
Followed your guide and have the ebuild, however i notice you have a
requirement for dev-java/sun-jdk-1.4.2.15
I already have dev-java/sun-jdk-1.5.0.08 installed as well as
dev-java/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03-r15
can/will your ebuild work with those java
Hi Clark,
Thank you for a reasoned response in what has become a rather feisty
thread!
On Jul 5, 2007, at 9:57 PM, Clark Mueller wrote:
I was one of those who raised his hand - but honestly, I no longer
feel the same way, so it's even fewer than those few. Having
digested some of this
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