Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Keith, *, 2010/10/19 Keith Williams kwilli...@thoughtfarmproductions.com: [...] snipped points that have been discussed already. Christian: You're looking at it from a users point of view Thats not  reasonable, you can make Drupal and I'm sure silverstripe look like anything. OF

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Keith Williams
Ok. You win, go with Silverstripe, it appears that you already have made that decision and I don't have the time to devote to this discussion, since I will not be working with Silverstripe. I really did look into Silverstripe and the reason you find it clear is that it doesn't do much and I

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Benjamin Horst
Keith, This discussion should not become an endurance challenge, where whoever holds out the longest wins. That's no way to make a good technical decision. On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Keith Williams wrote: Ok. You win, go with Silverstripe, it appears that you already have made that

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Benjamin Horst
Please keep the site up! No decision has been made yet and I'd like to work with it more. -Ben On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:27 AM, Keith Williams wrote: I'll be taking site down by the end of the day. We grow beautiful ideas On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:21 AM, Christian Lohmaier

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Benjamin, On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: On Oct 18, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: We're working on this, but again, it's not a one-person decision here. Yes, it's

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Keith Williams
LOL this whole process is silly to me... I'm being argued with by some guys based on forum posts and a demo on CMSreport LOL. I'm volunteering to design a beautiful site that integrates groups, wiki, CMS, and would basically make your project very attractive for people to participate in because

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Keith Williams
I'll keep it up, you seem like a nice guy. I think the decision has been made by CMSreport and forum posts. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: Please keep the site up! No decision has been made yet and I'd like to work with it more. -Ben On Oct 19, 2010,

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Stanislas Garret
Hi Keith, Let's the site up at least one day more. Ok the Wiki editor is a weak point but, I think it could be improved by module. The node notion should be learned to modify content (admin mode), but all CMS should be .. My preference is still Drupal @ the moment Stan Le 19/10/2010 15:27,

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Keith Williams
http://www.mywebclass.org/~bhorst testuser/testuser$1234 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Keith Williams kwilli...@thoughtfarmproductions.com wrote: I updated the Drupal demo with a WYSIWYG editor and you can now create pages. Go to create content on left nav menu and pick what you want to

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Benjamin Horst
Thank you, Keith. I will keep trying to find the time to set up a demo for Christian et al, but it's very difficult for me to carve out any time right now myself. I have uploaded some draft wireframes to the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Evaluation_of_CMS_Platforms

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Keith Williams
Oh, In regards to wordpress. WOrdpress is a good system and is easy to use for a CMS / Blog. Its good for projects that don't need a lot of custom data driven pages or publishing workflows that extend beyond a single person. In general, Wordpress is a solid system and nice because it doesn't

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Marc, *, On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Where can I find the Silverstripe demo? The demo is at http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/ - also the following subsites: http://sandbox.pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/ (public playground)

[libreoffice-website] Stepping Back to Site IA

2010-10-19 Thread Benjamin Horst
I'd like to step back and reframe our discussion a bit. We've been in the weeds comparing CMSs, but we haven't discussed the architecture of the site the CMS needs to support. I think different expectations of requirements may be why we've broken into two major camps. What pages will the site

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Keith, On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Keith Williams kwilli...@thoughtfarmproductions.com wrote: I basically built the demo to show a couple features like groups, polls, etc... I don't know how many times I wrote it already: No matter what it could do, at least it must meet the basic

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Drew Jensen
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 17:30 +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote: We're talking about setting up a cms for website maintainence, not for a site that hosts news bits or blogs or other bite-sized whatnot. A structured website, similar to what www.openoffice.org is now. By similar to oo.o you

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 10:41, Marc Paré a écrit : Christian, Where can I find the Silverstripe demo? Marc Sorry, me again. Where can I find on the TDF the requirement from the SC for CMS choice. Marc -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 11:18, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Hi Marc, *, On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: Where can I find the Silverstripe demo? The demo is at http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/ - also the following subsites: http://sandbox.pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 11:06, Keith Williams a écrit : Oh, In regards to wordpress. WOrdpress is a good system and is easy to use for a CMS / Blog. Its good for projects that don't need a lot of custom data driven pages or publishing workflows that extend beyond a single person. In general, Wordpress

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Marc, *; On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: [...] Where can I find on the TDF the requirement from the SC for CMS choice. The SC itself didn't create a list of requirements themselves, but refer to

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi Marc, 2010/10/19 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com: Christian, Where can I find the Silverstripe demo? I found the following information in the DE-part of the wiki: Hinweise zur Benutzung von Silverstripe tips for the usage of silverstripe: 188.40.32.145 de.pumbaa.ooodev.org zur

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 12:56, Sigrid Carrera a écrit : Hi Marc, 2010/10/19 Marc Parém...@marcpare.com: Christian, Where can I find the Silverstripe demo? I found the following information in the DE-part of the wiki: Hinweise zur Benutzung von Silverstripe tips for the usage of silverstripe:

Re: [libreoffice-website] Stepping Back to Site IA

2010-10-19 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Benjamin, *, On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: What pages will the site include at its launch? Only those currently on the TDF website? How do you define at its launch. So yes, when the sitch is turned over going from the current website to the cms

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Drew Jensen
Sorry - in that last email I am speaking of course of interfacing with a Versio Contol System and a cvs... Otherwise - anyone want a page with a table on the wiki with these things and let folks fill in how one CMS handles that one point (requirement). More then just a yes / no - let the two

[libreoffice-website] Help please - Anyone know where i can find the presentation on the Kenai infrastructure

2010-10-19 Thread Drew Jensen
Hi, Hoping this will prompt a memory in someone here (younger I suppose...lol) A while back, a good while back, ran across a presentation given by one of the architects of the Kenai project - he goes into pretty decent detail on which tool chains where used for the over all site, and how they

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Drew, *; On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com wrote: Quick of the top of my head thoughts, written in line as I read. [...] * Create static pages [...] - Should the CMS have the ability to interface with a cvs system, used to maintain these static pages -

Re: [libreoffice-website] Stepping Back to Site IA

2010-10-19 Thread Benjamin Horst
Hello, On Oct 19, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi Benjamin, *, On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: What pages will the site include at its launch? Only those currently on the TDF website? How do you define at its launch. So yes, when the

[libreoffice-website] Fwd: Libreoffice and Drupal Security

2010-10-19 Thread James Benstead
Forwarded at the request of Benjamin Horst: -- Forwarded message -- From: James Benstead j...@codeloom.net Date: Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Libreoffice and Drupal Security To: David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz Cc: g...@knaddison.com, Benjamin Benjamin Horst

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 14:32, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : To clarify what /I/ meant with the requirement: A user-friendly editor *is* important. A site that forces users to insert the complete html manually will be no improvement compared to the OOo website at all. However I also noted that (in my

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Drew Jensen
* User-Firendly URLs [...] - Yeah OK - details for any good implementor to be given as part of the task, I don't agree with all the arguments there but I understand them and believe just about any system can be set for that - is it worth the added load on the systems, and

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 14:32, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : So, seeing that we have been put on a deadline for the pick of a CMS (and if it hasn't been picked by the community, the SC will pick it for us), is there any way that you and Drew, if you are agreeable to this, to draw up a spec sheet that

Re: [libreoffice-website] Fwd: Libreoffice and Drupal Security

2010-10-19 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 16:12, Keith Williams a écrit : One reason I really like Drupal is that with the fusion base theme, you really don't need to know ANY PHP to get most layouts / designs. While knowing PHP would let you do more. I design themes. You can just point firebug at spots and change the

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Keith Williams
The other specs are very basic but lead to something like Silverstripe. Drupal of course does them But it can do a lot more. If the project just wants a top down cms and no users beyond some admins then that is not that interesting to me. I also think it's a rather limited view of what you can

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 16:16, Keith Williams a écrit : http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Evaluation_of_CMS_Platforms Is the above spec the actual spec you're trying to meet?? It actually says Drupal groups and Drupal has integration with SVN/GIT/CVS so you can see bugs issues and patches on

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Keith Williams
I posted this in wrong thread: One reason I really like Drupal is that with the fusion base theme, you really don't need to know ANY PHP to get most layouts / designs. While knowing PHP would let you do more. I design themes. You can just point firebug at spots and change the theme. In the

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Graham Lauder
On Wednesday 20 Oct 2010 02:16:38 Benjamin Horst wrote: On Oct 19, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Graham Lauder wrote: On Tuesday 19 Oct 2010 12:39:56 Keith Williams wrote: My opinion... Basically the only person that seems to want silverstripe is Christian. I think there are 3-4 people here that

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Keith Williams
Just login to the site, you don't have admin rights, your just a user with some perms. admin/bhorst$1234 is password. 9, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Graham Lauder wrote: On Tuesday 19 Oct 2010 12:39:56 Keith Williams wrote: My opinion... Basically the only person that seems to want

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Keith Williams
If you want to drive the site you can login with admin root: admin/bhorst$1234 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Keith Williams kwilli...@thoughtfarmproductions.com wrote: Just login to the site, you don't have admin rights, your just a user with some perms. admin/bhorst$1234 is password.

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Graham Lauder
On Wednesday 20 Oct 2010 10:01:58 Keith Williams wrote: If you want to drive the site you can login with admin root: admin/bhorst$1234 Aha Finally, unfortunate that it took so long to get to this point. The primary discussion here is about administration of the site, it would have given

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 18:00, Graham Lauder a écrit : On Wednesday 20 Oct 2010 10:01:58 Keith Williams wrote: If you want to drive the site you can login with admin root: admin/bhorst$1234 Aha Finally, unfortunate that it took so long to get to this point. The primary discussion here is about

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Benjamin Horst
On Oct 19, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-10-18 04:37, Andre Schnabel a écrit : Hi, I see that there are lots of discussion, which CMS to use, what features are needed ... at the other hand, users and language teams need more info at our website - nad without the

Re: [libreoffice-website] Website and wiki design

2010-10-19 Thread Benjamin Horst
Bernhard, On Oct 12, 2010, at 6:22 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Per, all, sorry for stepping in so late, but this community is evolving so quickly that you can't keep in track even with the most important tasks. Per Eriksson schrieb: Hi everybody, I was looking at the Fedora

Re: [libreoffice-website] CMS requirements / suitability testing

2010-10-19 Thread Benjamin Horst
Andrea, On Oct 16, 2010, at 7:54 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Christian Lohmaier wrote: as the question what cms to choose now comes up more often, I think it's best to just setup some demo-sites to compare them. (Oops, my message from last week didn't make it to the list, my fault...

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Benjamin Horst
Hi Graham, On Oct 19, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Graham Lauder wrote: On Wednesday 20 Oct 2010 02:16:38 Benjamin Horst wrote: On Oct 19, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Graham Lauder wrote: On Tuesday 19 Oct 2010 12:39:56 Keith Williams wrote: Yes, I respect Christian, but I don't feel that he is giving this issue

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Benjamin Horst
Christian, On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: On Oct 18, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: We're working on this, but again, it's not a one-person decision here. Yes, it's

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Keith Williams
If you want to see another take on Drupal. I'm making a site to do project management with it. Http://www.mywebclass.org login brendan/brendan$1234 All the forms and views of data were generated using the query builder (views) and the content creator (CCK) In Drupal you can define field in