Re: [Wikidata] Info box proposal

Thanks, John, Erika, and Wikidatans, As an experiment with Android voice on my smartphone, I just said to the rectangular object in my hand: "Please add the languages of the United Kingdom Wikipedia page to the info box for the United Kingdom Wikipedia page" and at the top of the list on my

Re: [Wikidata] Info box proposal

Yes. Point taken John. Wow. Thank goodness I use syntax highlighting #love... but still: Yikes. Here's the link to the page if anyone wants to dig around the madness. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom I guess I see a difference between a casual editor wanting to update a piece of data

Re: [Wikidata] Info box proposal

I think its important to make a distinction between what is easiest and what people are used to. Perhaps thinking about what new users would find easiest might be helpful. Here is an example of a well developed infobox on English Wikipedia, I think that the knowledge needed to edit this is an

Re: [Wikidata] Info box proposal

If an easy-to-use Citation Reference Toolbar form emerges as you'd like in a Wikipedia infobox proposal, Erika (and Wikidatans), I wonder, and am asking how, in general, it could code for all 358 languages in Wikipedia/Wikidata with translation (and anticipate all 8k languages with unicode

Re: [Wikidata] Info box proposal

Because this proposal involves depreciating the infobox to Wikipedia -- my biggest concern -- I changed my endorsement to Weak Support but under no circumstances implement on English Wikipedia. I think it would be a very bad approach. The Danish examples seemed more ideal, which was why I changed

Re: [Wikidata] Info box proposal

Hi Markus and All, Looking forward to when further parts of this Wikidata-Wikipedia bridging puzzle come together - and re Wikipedia Info Boxes and Wikidata Items ( https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Infoboxes & https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Infoboxes). I wonder in what

Re: [Wikidata] Info box proposal

Really appreciate what you wrote here Markus. Thank you. After doing a bunch of digging around and collecting questions on the Discussion page of the proposed Grant, Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (Thank you!) provided two examples of roughly what I believe this might look like, which I am sharing

Re: [Wikidata] Info box proposal

Mh. Is this actually leading anywhere? I can see both views, but there is a danger that things are getting non-constructive here. A particular issue in my view is playing the "Wikipedia-vs-Wikidata" card. I don't see things in this way, and I hope most Wikipedia and Wikidata editors don't

Re: [Wikidata] Info box proposal

Brill Lyle, 03/08/2016 19:20: I am not saying editing Wiki Markup on Wikidata. Is that what you are describing? No. Nemo ___ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

Re: [Wikidata] Info box proposal

I think you are misunderstanding. I am not saying editing Wiki Markup on Wikidata. Is that what you are describing? I am talking about editing Wiki Markup on Wikipedia. I am expecting this interface to be editable on Wikipedia, not having it force Wikipedia editors to edit infoboxes on Wikipedia

Re: [Wikidata] Info box proposal

Brill Lyle, 03/08/2016 18:53: Speaking of: Where's the user documentation for Authority Control? Have you tried to update and/or add Authority Control on Wikidata manually? Sure. I've also taught dozens of persons and none of them preferred entering said data via wikitext (despite being

Re: [Wikidata] Info box proposal

I am basing my concerns on my own experience editing Wikidata as well as two separate workshops where Wikimedia NYC Wikipedia editors were taught and edited Wikidata and discussed end-user challenges both times. I disagree that Wikidata is easier to edit than Wiki Markup or Visual Editor. The

Re: [Wikidata] Info box proposal

Brill Lyle, 03/08/2016 13:30: Huge barrier for Wikipedia end-users. What makes you think so? Did you interview or observe users editing? In my experience, Wikidata is much easier for newbies to grasp than wikitext or even VisualEditor: like VisualEditor's template editor, Wikidata resembles

Re: [Wikidata] Info box proposal

Agree. I will take it to the discussion page. Wanted to get more feedback and guidance here but this seems to be an ongoing issue that is probably not resolvable, at least not now. - Erika *Erika Herzog* Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle * On Wed, Aug 3,

Re: [Wikidata] Info box proposal

Charlie wrote her thesis on how you could integrate Wikidata in Wikipedia, specifically on Infoboxes, so that might be worth a look when it comes to this topic, too. So there is research from the UX perspective and how it'd be able to edit etc available.

Re: [Wikidata] Info box proposal

Erika, would building a better wikidata UI help alleviate your concern? For example, it used to be that to add a link to the same article in another language, one had to edit raw wiki markup and add a weird language link. Now with wikidata it is by far more intuitive, with an edit button right