[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul to reduce redundancy in Wikidata Labels and Aliases

Manuel removed subtasks: T319288: Implement v0.2 of the mul language code and deploy to Test and Beta Wikidata, T313024: Implement v0.3 of the mul language code and deploy to Test Wikidata, T312511: Deploy release version v1.0 of mul language code to Wikidata, T297393: Implement v0.1 of the mul

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul to reduce redundancy in Wikidata Labels and Aliases

Manuel added a subtask: T319288: Implement v0.2 of the mul language code and deploy to Test and Beta Wikidata. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Manuel Cc: abian, dcausse,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul to reduce redundancy in Wikidata Labels and Aliases

Manuel removed a subtask: T304976: MUL - Ensure that the Community knows how to make WDQS label service fall back to mul labels. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Manuel Cc: abian,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul to reduce redundancy in Wikidata Labels and Aliases

Manuel updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Manuel Cc: dcausse, Naseweis520, Abbe98, Winston_Sung, William_Avery, Esc3300, Mahir256, Ash_Crow, Moebeus,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul to reduce redundancy in Wikidata Labels and Aliases

Manuel updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Manuel Cc: dcausse, Naseweis520, Abbe98, Winston_Sung, William_Avery, Esc3300, Mahir256, Ash_Crow, Moebeus,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul to reduce redundancy in Wikidata Labels and Aliases

Manuel added a subtask: T312097: [EPIC] Enable language code mul on Wikidata . TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Manuel Cc: dcausse, Naseweis520, Abbe98, Winston_Sung, William_Avery,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul to reduce redundancy in Wikidata Labels and Aliases

Manuel removed a parent task: T312097: [EPIC] Enable language code mul on Wikidata . TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Manuel Cc: dcausse, Naseweis520, Abbe98, Winston_Sung,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul to reduce redundancy in Wikidata Labels and Aliases

Manuel added a parent task: T312097: [EPIC] Enable language code mul on Wikidata . TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Manuel Cc: dcausse, Naseweis520, Abbe98, Winston_Sung,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul to reduce redundancy in Wikidata Labels and Aliases

Manuel removed a subtask: T312107: Inline search on Wikidata is unable to find all mul labels and aliases . TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Manuel Cc: dcausse, Naseweis520,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul to reduce redundancy in Wikidata Labels and Aliases

Manuel removed a subtask: T312109: Search for haslabel:mul does not show results on Wikidata . TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Manuel Cc: dcausse, Naseweis520, Abbe98,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul to reduce redundancy in Wikidata Labels and Aliases

Manuel added a subtask: T313024: Implement v0.2 of the mul language code and deploy to Test Wikidata. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Manuel Cc: dcausse, Naseweis520, Abbe98,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul to reduce redundancy in Wikidata Labels and Aliases

Manuel renamed this task from "Add termbox language code mul" to "Add termbox language code mul to reduce redundancy in Wikidata Labels and Aliases". TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Manuel updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Manuel Cc: dcausse, Naseweis520, Abbe98, Winston_Sung, William_Avery, Esc3300, Mahir256, Ash_Crow, Moebeus,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Manuel changed the subtype of this task from "Task" to "Goal". TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Manuel Cc: dcausse, Naseweis520, Abbe98, Winston_Sung, William_Avery, Esc3300,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Manuel edited projects, added Wikidata-Campsite; removed Wikidata-Campsite (Team A Hearth ). TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Manuel Cc: dcausse, Naseweis520, Abbe98,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Manuel added a subtask: T312109: Enable haslabel:mul for search on Wikidata . TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Manuel Cc: dcausse, Naseweis520, Abbe98, Winston_Sung, William_Avery,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Manuel added a subtask: T312107: Enable the inline search on Wikidata to find mul labels and aliases . TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Manuel Cc: dcausse, Naseweis520, Abbe98,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Manuel closed subtask T297393: Implement basic version of mul language code and deploy to Test Wikidata as Resolved. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Manuel Cc: dcausse,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Manuel updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Manuel Cc: Abbe98, Winston_Sung, William_Avery, Esc3300, Mahir256, Ash_Crow, Moebeus, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Manuel added a comment. Thank you all for your input on this! We will put this in development right after the no deploy weeks. Special thanks go to @Nikki and @Mahir256, for driving and enlightening this issue, and to @Amire80 and @Epidosis, for your valuable input! @Esc3300: You also

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Manuel edited projects, added Wikidata-Campsite (Team A Hearth ); removed Wikidata-Campsite. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Manuel Cc: Abbe98, Winston_Sung, William_Avery,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Manuel updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Manuel Cc: Abbe98, Winston_Sung, William_Avery, Esc3300, Mahir256, Ash_Crow, Moebeus, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 added a comment. What "constraints" will there be (this is currently step #3) In T285156#7388535 , @Lydia_Pintscher wrote: > - Could this solution somehow backfire? -> several answers in this thread that we will weigh and

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Lydia_Pintscher added a comment. Sure. - Could this solution somehow backfire? -> several answers in this thread that we will weigh and see if they warrant any action - What are all the

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 added a comment. If this is the only open point, can you summarize how the open points mentioned in the task description had been addressed ? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Lydia_Pintscher added a comment. There is no disagreement. We are spending a lot of time discussing things that currently don't move this forward and do not help get to a meaningful consensus. So one final try. We need input on the final remaining discussion points as I laid out in

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 added a comment. Apparently there is a disagreement between Lucas and his manager about description editing. Can you at least explain which parts you consider my personal opinion and which ones are not supported by a consensus (ideally with a link to the relevant discussion)?

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 added a comment. Changes for task description are: | Before my edit

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Mahir256 added a comment. For those who would like a clarification, > please refrain from editing the task description while the discussion is ongoing. this is the former part of Lucas's message > It is inappropriate to masquerade your personal opinion as the hard-won

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 added a comment. In T285156#7388192 , @Mahir256 wrote: >> please refrain from editing the task description while the discussion is ongoing. It is inappropriate to masquerade your personal opinion as the hard-won consensus that

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 added a comment. In T285156#7388183 , @Lydia_Pintscher wrote: > @Esc3300 For clarification: Lucas and I spent a lot of time yesterday on getting everything to a point where we believe it is sensible and the remaining questions

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Mahir256 removed a subscriber: Esc3300. Mahir256 added a comment. > please refrain from editing the task description while the discussion is ongoing. It is inappropriate to masquerade your personal opinion as the hard-won consensus that we are trying to achieve here. This message

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Lydia_Pintscher added a subscriber: Esc3300. Lydia_Pintscher added a comment. @Esc3300 For clarification: Lucas and I spent a lot of time yesterday on getting everything to a point where we believe it is sensible and the remaining questions are clarified. It'd be good to concentrate the

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 added a comment. Can you explain the reminder of your deletions? Above what you deleted from the description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Esc3300 Cc: Mahir256,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Mahir256 added a comment. > @Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE that should have been. I removed Mahir256 as they seem to be doing nonsensical edits to subscribers. The presence of the user I am removing—not just here, but in any other discussion forum really—has made @Nikki (and others, both

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 added a comment. Odd that some of known issues shouldn't be stated in the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Esc3300 Cc: Ash_Crow, Moebeus,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 removed a subscriber: LucasWerkmeister. Esc3300 added a comment. @Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE that should have been. I removed Mahir256 as they seem to be doing nonsensical edits to subscribers. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 edited subscribers, added: LucasWerkmeister; removed: Mahir256. Esc3300 added a comment. @LucasWerkmeister Can you outline which of the deleted points you consider problematic? Lydia generally wants to summary in task descriptions to be up-to date. If you just remove stuff, we are

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Mahir256 added a subscriber: Esc3300. Mahir256 added a comment. In T285156#7387184 , @Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE wrote: > please refrain from editing the task description while the discussion is ongoing. I believe most of the offending

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Mahir256 removed a subscriber: Esc3300. Mahir256 updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Mahir256 Cc: Ash_Crow, Moebeus, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, So9q, Ainali,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE added a comment. @Esc3300 please refrain from editing the task description while the discussion is ongoing. It is inappropriate to masquerade your personal opinion as the hard-won consensus that we are trying to achieve here. TASK DETAIL

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Esc3300 Cc: Esc3300, Ash_Crow, Moebeus, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, So9q, Ainali, Epidosis, Shushugah, Manuel,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Esc3300 Cc: Esc3300, Ash_Crow, Moebeus, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, So9q, Ainali, Epidosis, Shushugah, Manuel,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 added a comment. OTH, name items only need one label and transliterations could go into statements. So the setting would be "mul" + name > no other labels. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 added a comment. @Epidosis The problem with "mul" is that we couldn't easily have the software test if there should be ru/uk label (as for "John"), but no la/fr/en label on name items. While when we have "mul-latn" and name, we could avoid adding la/fr/en, but not ru/uk.

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Epidosis added a comment. In a case like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q191118, I tend to think a general label is not applicable (each language has its name for "tonne"); having "mul-lat" and "mul-cyr", I would set "t" as "mul-lat" alias and "т" as "mul-cyr" alias; having only "mul", I

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 added a comment. @Epidosis for that sample, it seems clear-cut, but for Q191118 one could imagine Cyrillic "т" as "mul" label. Interesting question about the fall-back chain from Lydia. Maybe we should give more thought about the

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Epidosis added a comment. If mul is in Cyrillic (e.g. it will probably be in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q29652874), it will happen as follows in my opinion: - "mul" label = Афанасий - if a language code has no label, it will default to "Афанасий" - if a language code has a

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 added a comment. @Epidosis What should happen when mul is in Cyrillic ? You seem to assume mul-latn. I'm somewhat worried that all these deletions will lead to the people adding "Giovanni"@it to "John"@en and we are back to where we were years ago. TASK DETAIL

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Epidosis added a comment. I think "the fallback to mul happens before the implicit fallback to en but after any explicit fallback" is preferrable (since I think Amphispiza bilineata is preferable to “Black-throated Sparrow”). Just one more point (probably already expressed): I think

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Lydia_Pintscher added a comment. @Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE and I read through everything and spent some more time thinking this through. Thank you everyone for providing all the input, especially @Nikki. That really helped. One thing to still clarify or the discussion (which I also wasn't

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Esc3300 Cc: Esc3300, Ash_Crow, Moebeus, Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, So9q, Ainali, Epidosis, Shushugah, Manuel,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 added a comment. Interesting data, the question is what conclusions to draw from it for practical use cases at Wikidata. Initially the property "unit symbol" had string datatype, possibly because of a similar reasoning as the above. Latin script unit symbols were deemed useful

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Mahir256 added a comment. **//The following is a comment made in another forum regarding this ticket by User:Nikki,// ** who has allowed me to repost it here after some copy-editing in good faith: Regarding the fallback chain: English should fall back to mul too (as Mahir originally

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Mahir256 removed a subscriber: Esc3300. Mahir256 added a comment. In T285156#7378750 , @Ash_Crow wrote: > Why? In absence of the proposed mul language code, having the same label duplicated in all languages that use it is the expected

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Ash_Crow added a comment. In T285156#7247916 , @Mahir256 wrote: > While I've undone edits on the last three of Nikki's examples (since those examples are frankly quite ridiculous), I otherwise agree with what is stated in that comment.

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Lydia_Pintscher triaged this task as "High" priority. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Lydia_Pintscher Cc: Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, So9q, Ainali, Epidosis, Shushugah, Manuel, Nikki,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 added a comment. A reason we started adding identical labels to different languages for family name / given name items is to avoid that users try to translate the label, e.g. family name "Taylor"@en shouldn't have "Tailleur"@fr "Schneider"@de. In languages with different scripts,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Manuel removed a project: patch-welcome. Manuel updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Manuel Cc: Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE, So9q, Ainali, Epidosis, Shushugah,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 added a comment. So langcom review isn't needed here? Ok. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Esc3300 Cc: So9q, Ainali, Epidosis, Shushugah, Manuel, Nikki, Esc3300,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Amire80 added a comment. In T285156#7324288 , @Esc3300 wrote: > For clarity's sake, maybe we should hold discussions about editorial choices on Wikidata directly. Also langcom members should stated that they are expressing the langcom

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 added a comment. For clarity's sake, maybe we should hold discussions about editorial choices on Wikidata directly. Also langcom members should stated that they are expressing the langcom view and reference the policy or procedure they are using to base their argument on. It may

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 added a comment. Good question about the fallback. Currently the fallback is to "en", so maybe the fallback for English (or French) should be: en > mul-latn > mul > en fr > mul-latn > mul > en Let's bear in mind that the language code on labels doesn't have the same

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Manuel updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Manuel Cc: So9q, Ainali, Epidosis, Shushugah, Manuel, Nikki, Esc3300, Mbch331, jhsoby, Amire80,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Lydia_Pintscher updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Lydia_Pintscher Cc: So9q, Ainali, Epidosis, Shushugah, Manuel, Nikki, Esc3300, Mbch331, jhsoby,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Amire80 added a comment. My skepticism about this proposal is related not so much to my Language Committee membership, but my general understanding of how MediaWiki and Wikidata work. I really think that it should be solved by a dedicated and properly designed Wikibase or Wikidata

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

So9q added a comment. I totally support finding a way to avoid this redundancy. It's a terrible waste of resources and time to input it for all languages in the world/supported by the system, and does not add knowledge to the whole at all. TASK DETAIL

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Epidosis added a comment. There are at least 3 categories of items which strongly need this: 1. `persons` (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Search/haswbstatement:P31=Q5, as of now 9.2M): in most cases the same label and the same aliases are repeated in different languages (e.g. in

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Mahir256 added a comment. In T285156#7316247 , @Shushugah wrote: > [I]f someone wanted to add the "same" label value on a different language, should that trigger a validation error? I can imagine that would potentially disrupt bots who

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Shushugah added a comment. This sounds like it has many positives and not so many cons. If someone wants to add a different label that existing behaviour is preserved. One question I have is, if someone wanted to add the "same" label value on a different language, should that trigger a

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Mahir256 added a comment. In T285156#7314227 , @Amire80 wrote: > So, `mul` is kind of the right code for that in general, but it's still a special case, and I'm wondering whether it's right to use it as //usual// aliases and labels.

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Amire80 added a comment. In T285156#7247315 , @Nikki wrote: > In T285156#7163446 , @Amire80 wrote: > >> I don't understand what is this for. > > It would be useful for things

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 added a comment. Given some of the samples, I suppose we should have both, "mul" and

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Mahir256 changed the task status from "Stalled" to "Open". TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Mahir256 Cc: Nikki, Esc3300, Mbch331, jhsoby, Amire80, Lydia_Pintscher, ChristianKl,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Mahir256 added a comment. While I've undone edits on the last three of Nikki's examples (since those examples are frankly quite ridiculous), I otherwise agree with what is stated in that comment. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T285156 EMAIL PREFERENCES

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Nikki added a comment. In T285156#7163446 , @Amire80 wrote: > I don't understand what is this for. It would be useful for things like codes, symbols and international names, where the same string is a plausible label/alias for

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

Esc3300 added a comment. I think

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T285156: Add termbox language code mul

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