[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T282719: Wikidata tool request: Users can enter an ISBN to see if a Wikidata item exists, if not it makes a new one based on the data available (works like 'Cite' tool on W

[Seppl2013]

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  see also https://github.com/fnielsen/scholia/issues/1439

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  Although I have never been able to use it due to bugs,  sourcemd 
 has a button to add books by ISBN. I do not 
know the details, or the community discussions, leaving it here just in case it 
is useful to anyone:
  
  F34460485: image.png 

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[Spinster]

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  In T282719#7088419 , 
@John_Cummings wrote:
  
  > Hi Sandra
  >
  > I've updated the description to include the FRBR model as the basis for 
creating and matching items. Is it logic to say that new items the based on 
ISBN number (or other similar ID) should be Instance='edition' in Wikidata?
  
  No, you're trying to simplify something that is not that simple.
  
  On Wikipedia, which only uses text strings, I guess it's fine to take an ISBN 
number and then use a database to look it up and retrieve strings of text to 
build up a (single) reference. On Wikidata, where we are dealing with 
multilingual structured data, a 'book' is a cluster of sometimes dozens of 
multilingual layered entities.
  
  To make it very clear, as I think I didn't succeed in doing that with my 
earlier comment: I think it is NOT a good idea to ask for a tool for this. It's 
not simple matter that should be automated. This is stuff that needs 
knowledgeable human review.
  
  If someone has a ISBN number and wants to 'have that ISBN on Wikidata', they 
should need to do at least the following checks (and this list is 
non-exhaustive; I'm actually not a librarian so I will probably miss important 
things and get some things wrong):
  
  - Is there already any work-level and/or edition-level item that corresponds 
with the book? If so, any new items need to correspond correctly with the 
existing ones. If not, new items need to be created for both levels.
  - A check needs to happen whether the ISBN is of a translation. Maybe we 
already have Wikidata items for the (original language) work, and/or for an 
edition of a translation in another language. If that is the case, correct 
connections need to be made.
  - The book needs *both* a work-level item and an edition-level item. (This is 
exactly what FRBR is about.)
  - Both the work item and the edition item need the correct statements in the 
right place: author, publisher, date of publication and other metadata. 
Correctly. I don't know of any centralized databases that get this stuff right 
where we can retrieve this; this step probably needs deeper human research than 
just a check with a (any) database. Worldcat is (in my experience) pretty messy 
at this point so please do NOT use Worldcat as a sole source.
  - If lookups on Wikidata need to happen for the right author and publisher, 
that needs to be done _with care_ - if the author, is, say, named John Johnson 
where we have dozens of people with a similar name, a thorough check is needed 
to make sure the right one is chosen. In my experience, it is always best to 
actually go on Wikidata and do a bit of (non-tool) research at this point, 
because there may be items for humans with just initials or with a slightly 
different spellings that can't be caught by a tool.
  - If an item for the author/publisher is not found, should a new one be 
created? I'm not sure - there's so much opportunity for introduction of errors 
and duplicates here.
  
  Let me state it very clearly: I'm not a fan of this task at all. I think 
describing books on Wikidata is simply too complex for a single-purpose tool. 
If describing books correctly is an intricate piece of reality that needs a few 
years of education in library science, then it's not something that we can 
magically simplify on Wikidata by 'toolifying' it.

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  One special case of this is publications of proceeedings of scientific 
conferences. I am intending to have a wikidata backend for my Proceedings Title 
Parser at ptp.bitplan.com  anyways so i could add an 
"ISBN" input mode.
  
  - First the book information would be fectched e.g. for 
https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9783030454388 the result would be: //Advances 
in Information Retrieval
  
  42nd European Conference on IR Research, ECIR 2020, Lisbon, Portugal, April 
14–17, 2020, Proceedings, Part I
  //
  
  - then this fed to the Proceedings Title Parser 

 which would find the corresponding event
  - The corresponding scientific event series might already be in wikidata see  
https://confident.dbis.rwth-aachen.de/dblpconf/wikidata which points to 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5412436
  - now the proceedings and the event could be entered to wikidata
  
  This special usecase might be a good starting point for the feasibility of 
the more general approach to do the entry for any ISBN

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[John_Cummings]

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  In T282719#7087589 , 
@Spinster wrote:
  
  > If someone ever develops this, it needs to be done with the greatest of 
care. If not, such a tool could produce excessive duplicate and wrongly modeled 
items, producing a huge amount of work for the community to clean up.
  >
  > See https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Books for some input 
on modeling. This community needs to be consulted.
  >
  > - Books need to conform to the FRBR description model, in order to conform 
with the level of data quality that libraries also apply. This tool needs to 
make sure all necessary items on work and edition/translation level are checked 
and created if necessary.
  > - Make sure the end user, even if they are beginners, do correct matching 
with existing authors, publishers, locations of publishing. I'm actually not 
sure what would need to be done if new items need to be created at this 
level... do we even want that?
  > - Avoid creation of duplicates (duplicate works, editions, authors, 
publishers, locations of publishing).
  >
  > Other input very welcome. I'd rather see no tool than one that introduces 
large amounts of erroneous data.
  
  Hi Sandra
  
  I've updated the description to include the FRBR model as the basis for 
creating and matching items. Is it logic to say that new items the based on 
ISBN number (or other similar ID) should be Instance='edition' in Wikidata?

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  If someone ever develops this, it needs to be done with the greatest of care. 
If not, such a tool could produce excessive duplicate and wrongly modeled 
items, producing a huge amount of work for the community to clean up.
  
  See https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Books for some input 
on modeling. This community needs to be consulted.
  
  - Books need to conform to the FRBR description model, in order to conform 
with the level of data quality that libraries also apply. This tool needs to 
make sure all necessary items on work and edition/translation level are checked 
and created if necessary.
  - Make sure the end user, even if they are beginners, do correct matching 
with existing authors, publishers, locations of publishing. I'm actually not 
sure what would need to be done if new items need to be created at this 
level... do we even want that?
  - Avoid creation of duplicates (duplicate works, editions, authors, 
publishers, locations of publishing).
  
  Other input very welcome. I'd rather see no tool than one that introduces 
large amounts of erroneous data.

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TASK DESCRIPTION
  I would really love a tool that worked a bit like the 'Cite' on Wikipedia, 
that can tell you if there's already an item for an publication with an ISBN 
and if not it goes to get the data to make a new one. The process of using it 
would be something like:
  
  1. User enters an ISBN on a page and it says if there is an item on Wikidata 
which has this ISBN
  2. If there is already an item which uses this ISBN the tool suggests extra 
statements to add that the user just clicks to add them. The tool gets the data 
from the same place the Cite tool on Wikipedia does.
  3. If there isn't already an item using this ISBN, the tool prefills a form 
for the new item which the user click to create. It then looks for any item on 
Wikidata with the same name and author to find other editions and then connects 
them together using which ever statement is needed.
  
  Questions
  
  1. Is this possible/realistic? Would be a really nice thing to have.
  2. Would this rely on Citoid being installed on Wikidata or could it get the 
info from somewhere else? (T199197 )
  3. I'm sure there could also be an option to enter multiple ISBNs but I don't 
know what's the best layout for that.
  
  Also how could I propose this as a project for the Wikimedia Hackathon? I 
don't know if there's a category for ideas from non programmers?
  
  Thanks

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