Re: [Wikidata-l] Making a Wikipedia article link to two wikidata items

2014-09-14 Thread Jane Darnell
While on this concept of modelling Wikidata items for multi-concept Wikipedia pages, I would like to remind you of another case, in which cross-project spam is deleted in only a subset of language Wikipedias, leaving a few links or just the Wikidata item. I would like there to be some trace of the

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making a Wikipedia article link to two wikidata items

2014-09-09 Thread Markus Krötzsch
Me again. After some coffee and digesting the edit that Eric made to address the Samoan Clipper issue, I can see several (better?) alternatives to my first proposal. This also takes into account some comments of James, Mohamed, and Purodha. I can see three patterns to solve such issues: == (

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making a Wikipedia article link to two wikidata items

2014-09-09 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 09.09.2014 14:23, Emw wrote: ... Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samoan_Clipper See https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7409943 for an initial pass at modelling that. Thanks, that's a huge improvement over the previous state (=me looking at the article and giving up on adding anyth

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making a Wikipedia article link to two wikidata items

2014-09-09 Thread P. Blissenbach
The language links should then go to either the composite item, or the specitic item, if only one exits for a language. What, if there are both? If the page itself is specific, choose specific one, else use the composite one. That may intrduce some foggyness because links are unequal and you do

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making a Wikipedia article link to two wikidata items

2014-09-09 Thread James Heald
What are the implications of this for sidebar links ? IMO it's a good thing if the wikidata items become more fine-grained and more conceptually precise. But wouldn't this mean we would be losing (some) sidebar links, so people wouldn't necessarily know any more that some of the information

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making a Wikipedia article link to two wikidata items

2014-09-09 Thread Emw
> > For articles that are really about multiple different things that cannot > be reconciled in a single natural concept: > > * State "intance of:Wikipedia article with multiple topics" (we already > have several other classes of Wikipedia articles). > * Use some property, say "has topic", to link

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making a Wikipedia article link to two wikidata items

2014-09-09 Thread Luca Martinelli
2014-09-09 13:36 GMT+02:00 Markus Krötzsch : > My proposal became more clear to me over lunch: *** cut *** Markus, "yuo are of genius!" (cit.) :) /me deletes straight away his own proposal L. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making a Wikipedia article link to two wikidata items

2014-09-09 Thread Innovimax SARL
Dear all, A notable side effect : At the moment, a page can contain multiple topic in few languages only At the moment, those page are "adopted" by one of the topic It means that from now on, some pages that contains multiple topics in some languages will be attached to new Q** and it will appe

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making a Wikipedia article link to two wikidata items

2014-09-09 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 09.09.2014 13:36, schrieb Markus Krötzsch: > My proposal became more clear to me over lunch: > > For articles that are really about multiple different things that cannot be > reconciled in a single natural concept: > > * State "intance of:Wikipedia article with multiple topics" (we already hav

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making a Wikipedia article link to two wikidata items

2014-09-09 Thread Markus Krötzsch
My proposal became more clear to me over lunch: For articles that are really about multiple different things that cannot be reconciled in a single natural concept: * State "intance of:Wikipedia article with multiple topics" (we already have several other classes of Wikipedia articles). * Use

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making a Wikipedia article link to two wikidata items

2014-09-09 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 09.09.2014 11:47, Thomas Douillard wrote: The composite item seems to be a sort of composite geographical/human system, like an ecosystem (community of living organisms together with the nonliving components of their environment) https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q37813 a special kind of ecosystem

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making a Wikipedia article link to two wikidata items

2014-09-09 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 09.09.2014 11:33, Daniel Kinzler wrote: Am 09.09.2014 01:40, schrieb Denny Vrandečić: Create a third item in Wikidata, and use that for the language links. Any Wikipedia that has two separate articles can link to the separate items, any Wikipedia that has only one article can link to the sing

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making a Wikipedia article link to two wikidata items

2014-09-09 Thread Thomas Douillard
The composite item seems to be a sort of composite geographical/human system, like an ecosystem (community of living organisms together with the nonliving components of their environment) https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q37813 a special kind of ecosystem maybe ... 2014-09-09 11:33 GMT+02:00 Daniel K

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making a Wikipedia article link to two wikidata items

2014-09-09 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 09.09.2014 01:40, schrieb Denny Vrandečić: > Create a third item in Wikidata, and use that for the language links. Any > Wikipedia that has two separate articles can link to the separate items, any > Wikipedia that has only one article can link to the single item. That's a nice solution for the

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making a Wikipedia article link to two wikidata items

2014-09-08 Thread Jo
Disambiguation? In Openstreetmap it makes total sense to have 2 items for these very different concepts. Jo 2014-09-08 23:04 GMT+02:00 Edward Betts : > The Wikipedia article about Wangerooge describes an island and > municipality. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wangerooge > > These two concep

[Wikidata-l] Making a Wikipedia article link to two wikidata items

2014-09-08 Thread Edward Betts
The Wikipedia article about Wangerooge describes an island and municipality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wangerooge These two concepts, island and municipality, have discrete items. Municipality: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q25135 Island: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17081143 I would lik