Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

Hoi, it is Wikidata magic ...there is a lot of it Thanks, GerardM On 23 April 2015 at 20:02, Tom Morris wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Edward Betts wrote: > >> Thad Guidry wrote: >> > I helped with the Lighthouses schema in Freebase. >> > >> > Some of which is based on List

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Markus Bärlocher wrote: > Hi Thad, > >> I helped with the Lighthouses schema in Freebase. > > > :-) > > We have imported the LoL into OSM (40'000 lights), > and show them on OpenSeaMap: > http://map.openseamap.org/?zoom=13&lat=54.47933&lon=10.27177&layers=BFTFFFTFF

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

Tom, Split tool to the rescue ? :) Looks like the GeoNames ID is for the islet itself...so probably needs another entity for the Vinga Lighthouse itself sitting on that islet. Thad +ThadGuidry On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Tom Morris wrote: > On Thu, A

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Edward Betts wrote: > Thad Guidry wrote: > > I helped with the Lighthouses schema in Freebase. > > > > Some of which is based on List of Lights (NGA) USA. > > > > I have DB conversion data for the PDFs...just never got around to loading > > them all in. > > > >

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

I'm under the impression people on this mailing list are more interested in this, than most of us mappers, so it belongs here as well. I agree with you as far as the import goes, if you can call it that. We should have way to easily add wikidata tags to OSM elements which already have wikipedia tag

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

I entirely agree and have been looking at a way we could start this in OSM in a systematic way. There are a ton of things OSM could benefit from with this. But this is, IMHO an OSM issue (an OSM import) and not something the Wikipedia folks here need to worry about so I think it belongs on an OSM

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

The best way to link objects from Wikidata and Openstreetmap is by adding wikidata tags to the OSM objects. That way those Q-numbers can follow along when an OSM object gets converted from a node to a way (POI to building for example) or from a way to a relation. (area to a multipolygon for example

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 How so? Oh, because Wikidata is CC0 and the Open Street Map database is ODbL, which is somewhat like CC BY-SA. I don't think that that follows, though, as what is being put into Wikidata is contents, which appear to me to be covered under the DbCL,

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

On 23 April 2015 at 15:09, Edward Betts wrote: > Here is my latest mapping between Wikidata items and OpenStreetMap objects: > I'm still working on debugging the mismatches, before uploading the data to > OpenStreetMap: Thank you - I'm looknig forward to seeing thsi happen. -- Andy Mabbett @p

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

On 23 April 2015 at 15:20, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > I am not sure how I missed this discussion, but adding information > from OSM into Wikidata en mass like this is a violation of the OSM > license. Nobody is prosing to add information from OSM into Wikidata en mass. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonth

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

I am not sure how I missed this discussion, but adding information from OSM into Wikidata en mass like this is a violation of the OSM license. - Serge On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > On 2015-03-10 14:31, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> [ Aude and Christian C

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

Thad Guidry wrote: > I helped with the Lighthouses schema in Freebase. > > Some of which is based on List of Lights (NGA) USA. > > I have DB conversion data for the PDFs...just never got around to loading > them all in. > > Let me know if I can help. I was able to match 407 lighthouses on OSM

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

Here is my latest mapping between Wikidata items and OpenStreetMap objects: http://edwardbetts.com/osm-wikidata/2015-04-18/match_results/ I'm still working on debugging the mismatches, before uploading the data to OpenStreetMap: http://edwardbetts.com/osm-wikidata/2015-04-18/mismatches.html --

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

On 11 March 2015 at 09:23, Markus Krötzsch wrote: >> Independent of where it sits now, what where does it aspire to sit? > > The uncontested target would be: > > * Every lighthouse that is found in any Wikipedia (hence in Wikidata) should > be "instance of lighthouse" and have coordinates and cou

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

> On 11 Mar 2015, at 09:37, Magnus Manske wrote: > On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:24 AM Markus Krötzsch > mailto:mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org>> wrote: > > No, you are right: this is of course an issue in the completeness of our > data. If you zoom in to Europe, you can see that some countries have

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

Am 10.03.2015 um 16:54 schrieb Luca Martinelli: > 2015-03-10 16:28 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić : >> What would this new Wikibase have that OpenStreetMap doesn't already have? > > The possibility of "talking" with WMF projects, as Wikidata "talks" > with all the other projects... Only if it's also hos

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

Am 10.03.2015 um 16:32 schrieb Yaroslav M. Blanter: > Hi Amir, > > anything which can be remotely considered as a tourist attraction, as well as > shops, hotels, reataurants and such are withing the scope of Wikivoyage and > thus > of Wikidata. For streets, we have now an approved bot task adding

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

On 03/11/2015 12:58 PM, Daniel Kinzler wrote: Am 11.03.2015 um 12:39 schrieb Jo Walsh: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata#Importing_data *Copying data to Wikidata from OSM* (or even from other Wikimedia projects) *is not allowed* because Wikidata uses the public-domain style Creative Co

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

Thanks Daniel for this clear statement: Facts ("this is a lighthouse") are not copyrightable. The data about lighthouses was imported from NOAA LoL, which is PD itself :-) Best regards, Markus ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

Am 11.03.2015 um 12:39 schrieb Jo Walsh: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata#Importing_data > *Copying data to Wikidata from OSM* (or even from other Wikimedia projects) > *is > not allowed* because Wikidata uses the public-domain style Creative Commons > CC0 > license which does not co

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata#Importing_data *Copying data to Wikidata from OSM* (or even from other Wikimedia projects) *is not allowed* because Wikidata uses the public-domain style Creative Commons CC0 license which does not contain any attribution or share-alike provisions. Conver

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

Note that OSM is likely to be unusable for copyright reasons -- J. On 11/03/2015 11:20, Magnus Manske wrote: Started scraping Wikipedia lists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lighthouses_and_lightvessels Got to Canada: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12UaLKolLl5hbOFP9vztShQsiKkr

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

Started scraping Wikipedia lists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lighthouses_and_lightvessels Got to Canada: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12UaLKolLl5hbOFP9vztShQsiKkr5AZo_TbNr-NV9W-U/edit?usp=sharing Continue this (someone help!), or start anew from another source? On Wed, Mar 1

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

Sorry the tags was wrong... Right is: _in OpenSeaMap_ you can find 40'000 Lights by a query on: seamark:type=light_float seamark:type=light_vessel seamark:type=light_minor seamark:type=light_major seamark:type=light _in WP for Spain_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/de:Liste_von_Leuchttürmen_in_Spa

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

Hi, _in OpenSeaMap_ you can find 40'000 Lights by a query on: seamark:type=light_float seamark:type=light_vessel seamark:type=minor_light seamark:type=major_light seamark:type=light _in WP for Spain_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/de:Liste_von_Leuchttürmen_in_Spanien _in WD for world_ 2135 lights

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

Openstreetmap has many lighthouses on the Spanish Coast: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/87R You can change the bbox and investigate the other coast lines easily with that query. Jo 2015-03-11 10:37 GMT+01:00 Magnus Manske : > > > On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:24 AM Markus Krötzsch < > mar...@semantic-

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:24 AM Markus Krötzsch < mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org> wrote: > > No, you are right: this is of course an issue in the completeness of our > data. If you zoom in to Europe, you can see that some countries have > costs full of lighthouses, while others seem to lack them al

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

On 11.03.2015 05:40, Tom Morris wrote: On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Markus Krötzsch mailto:mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org>> wrote: For example, you can see that Portugal has a lot of lighthouses while Spain has almost none -- maybe we need to look at our data there ;-) Perhaps

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Markus Krötzsch < mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org> wrote: > > For example, you can see that Portugal has a lot of lighthouses while > Spain has almost none -- maybe we need to look at our data there ;-) Perhaps it's a language confusion issue, but does Spain really

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

Hi Amir, 2015-03-10 14:31 GMT+01:00 Amir E. Aharoni : > [ Aude and Christian Consonni, this should especially interest you. ] :-) Luca already posted the link that summarizes my idea about Wikidata and OSM. 2015-03-10 17:38 GMT+01:00 Luca Martinelli : > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Id

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

On 10.03.2015 17:31, Thad Guidry wrote: I helped with the Lighthouses schema in Freebase. For your personal enjoyment: https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-exports/miga/?lighthouses (use Google Chrome or any other non-IE, non-FF browser to view). Just a quick hack, many of the data are incompl

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

On 2015-03-10 22:51, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 10 March 2015 at 20:20, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: On 2015-03-10 20:47, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 10 March 2015 at 15:32, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: For streets, we have now an approved bot task adding all Dutch streets on Wikidata Approved by

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

On 10 March 2015 at 20:20, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > On 2015-03-10 20:47, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> >> On 10 March 2015 at 15:32, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: >> >>> For streets, we have now an approved bot task adding all Dutch streets on >>> Wikidata >> >> >> Approved by whom? I foresee the major

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

If this is considered notable, I'd consider doing this for all streets in the Brussels region. I would add wikidata tags to all OSM objects involved (highway ways and associatedStreet relations) at the same time though. So if they'd get deleted once again on Wikidata, that would be quite a useless

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

On 2015-03-10 20:47, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 10 March 2015 at 15:32, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: For streets, we have now an approved bot task adding all Dutch streets on Wikidata Approved by whom? I foresee the majority of those being deleted as non- notable. By me as a crat. In the futu

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

On 10 March 2015 at 15:32, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > For streets, we have now an approved bot task adding all Dutch streets on > Wikidata Approved by whom? I foresee the majority of those being deleted as non- notable. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

Think... BIGGER. Jo has the right idea... Linked Data. It sounds to me like the right way forward for domain specific interest data (like OSM) ...is, Instead of 1 source of data (Wikidata)...and throwing domain specific interest data into Wikidata (not all data needs to live inside it). Just us

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

Markus, Here's the basic schema that we put together in Freebase that is semi-populated with data now. Whomever whats to build the structure for Wikidata can just setup like it: http://www.freebase.com/architecture/lighthouse?schema=&lang=en Thad +ThadGuidry

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

> > > BTW, maybe related: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/OSMdata:_a_Wikidata-like_editor_for_OpenStreetMap > I added the following to the talk page of that article: Nodes/Ways/Relations Nodes, Ways and Relations. Those are the primitives we have currently in OSM. The way I see

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

Hi Thad, I helped with the Lighthouses schema in Freebase. :-) We have imported the LoL into OSM (40'000 lights), and show them on OpenSeaMap: http://map.openseamap.org/?zoom=13&lat=54.47933&lon=10.27177&layers=BFTFFFTFFTF0 It would be great to have a popup in the chart which shows:

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > We have an ambition to have a separate entry for every species of insects, > and the number of insect species is comparable to the number of streets. > > (I personally would not add streets, but if there is a good database under > an ap

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

2015-03-10 17:10 GMT+01:00 Daniel Kinzler : > Am 10.03.2015 um 16:54 schrieb Luca Martinelli: >> 2015-03-10 16:28 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić : >>> What would this new Wikibase have that OpenStreetMap doesn't already have? >> >> The possibility of "talking" with WMF projects, as Wikidata "talks" >> wit

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

I helped with the Lighthouses schema in Freebase. Some of which is based on List of Lights (NGA) USA. I have DB conversion data for the PDFs...just never got around to loading them all in. Let me know if I can help. Thad +ThadGuidry On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

On 2015-03-10 16:46, Daniel Kinzler wrote: Am 10.03.2015 um 16:32 schrieb Yaroslav M. Blanter: Hi Amir, anything which can be remotely considered as a tourist attraction, as well as shops, hotels, reataurants and such are withing the scope of Wikivoyage and thus of Wikidata. For streets, we h

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

2015-03-10 16:28 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić : > What would this new Wikibase have that OpenStreetMap doesn't already have? The possibility of "talking" with WMF projects, as Wikidata "talks" with all the other projects... 2015-03-10 16:46 GMT+01:00 Daniel Kinzler : > Am 10.03.2015 um 16:32 schrieb Y

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

On 2015-03-10 14:31, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: Hi, [ Aude and Christian Consonni, this should especially interest you. ] I was throwing around ideas with a friend about how OpenStreetMap could be integrated with Wikidata. ... Towns obviously have or can a Wikipedia article about them, but proba

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

2015-03-10 16:19 GMT+01:00 Luca Martinelli : > > A separate Wikibase instance that could serve both OSM and Wikivoyage, > maybe? Might be useful for both to keep the data about shops, > restaurants, hotels, commercial whatelses and whatnots in the same > instance, but keeping it separated by the "

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

It would be fine to have all this together: _OSM_ seamark:type=light* _Wikidata_ https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q44782 _Wikipedia_ https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Liste_(Leuchttürme) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Leuchttürmen _Commons_ commons:Lighthouse category:Lighthouses

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

2015-03-10 15:08 GMT+01:00 Daniel Kinzler : > Am 10.03.2015 um 14:31 schrieb Amir E. Aharoni: >> If it's way too much, how can this be bridged, or federated, or whatever the >> current popular word is? I don't even know exactly how does OSM store labels >> and >> translations now, but it sounds li

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

Already thousands of streets have been added to Wikidata, without having an article about them on Wikipedia, nor that it would likely get an article in Wikipedia. Romaine 2015-03-10 14:31 GMT+01:00 Amir E. Aharoni : > Hi, > > [ Aude and Christian Consonni, this should especially interest you. ]

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

Maybe we should ask the question how many translations already are in OpenStreetMap that can be used/added to Wikidata? Romaine 2015-03-10 14:31 GMT+01:00 Amir E. Aharoni : > Hi, > > [ Aude and Christian Consonni, this should especially interest you. ] > > I was throwing around ideas with a fri

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

I am an avid OpenStreetMap user, and I like the Wikidata project very much. That's why I proposed a OSM tag wikidata=* and I wasn't the only one to think of this[1]. Making a wikidata element for every or some OSM elements is not quite possible, at least for now. OSM objects don't have constant ID

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

On 10 March 2015 at 13:31, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > I was throwing around ideas with a friend about how OpenStreetMap could be > integrated with Wikidata. I and others have done a lot of work on this already: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

I have been fostering the idea of Wikidata as a historical gazetteer, a place (name) index. Wikidata would be capable of modelling how streets change name or how municipalities are split or merged or link to changing geometries over time etc. Happy to hear this discussed! Susanna 2015-03-10 16

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > Hi, > > [ Aude and Christian Consonni, this should especially interest you. ] > > I was throwing around ideas with a friend about how OpenStreetMap could be > integrated with Wikidata. > > The thing that I ca

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

What about bus stops? Jo 2015-03-10 15:37 GMT+01:00 aude : > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < > amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> [ Aude and Christian Consonni, this should especially interest you. ] >> >> I was throwing around ideas with a friend about how Op

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

Am 10.03.2015 um 14:31 schrieb Amir E. Aharoni: > If it's way too much, how can this be bridged, or federated, or whatever the > current popular word is? I don't even know exactly how does OSM store labels > and > translations now, but it sounds like another instance of Wikibase, if not > Wikidata

[Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

Hi, [ Aude and Christian Consonni, this should especially interest you. ] I was throwing around ideas with a friend about how OpenStreetMap could be integrated with Wikidata. The thing that I care the most in any software is internationalization. Having a map in which all labels of towns, street