On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Daniel R. Tobias d...@tobias.name wrote:
On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:31:41 -0400, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org
wrote:
Anyway, I was just rereading some of the discussion of Larry Sanger and
Wikipedia, and noticed that while Wales claims that Jeremy Rosenfeld was
I get stuck on the term módulos-entradas, which seems to be literally
translated as input modules, but I can't fit into the context. Here's the
context, by the way:
http://softlibre.barrapunto.com/article.pl?sid=00/12/21/0849254
Anyway, I was just rereading some of the discussion of Larry Sanger
On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:31:41 -0400, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org
wrote:
Anyway, I was just rereading some of the discussion of Larry Sanger and
Wikipedia, and noticed that while Wales claims that Jeremy Rosenfeld was the
first to propose using wikis to work on Nupedia, he admits that it was
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Oskar Sigvardsson
oskarsigvards...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 4:38 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:12 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
And I would like to thank the Phoenicians for inventing the alphabet.
W.J.
I used Google Translate. I would post the entire translation here, but
not sure if that is OK or not, so I'm only posting the translation of
the first sentence.
Have you thought about Wiki design a specific work of polishing
modules-tickets?
Looks like a poor translation anyway.
Carcharoth
On
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:12 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Daniel R. Tobias d...@tobias.name
To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 6:56 pm
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales
and Tim Berners-Lee for inventing
I know it will only be a small satisfaction, but I wanted to mention
that in the French speaking user guide book I recently co-wrote with
Guillaume Paumier, you are recognised as a co-founder. There is even a
paragraph clearly mentionning you.
I invite you to check:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 4:38 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:12 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
And I would like to thank the Phoenicians for inventing the alphabet.
W.J. the Current.
I'd like to thank Necessity and her baby-daddy for inventing inventions.
I
Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote:
Let's be clear that, especially after the failure of Nupedia to take
off,
Wikipedia's success was a surprise both to Sanger and Wales. Neither
of them
expected that this would happen and can therefore not take full or
too much
credit for it.
Sheldon Rampton wrote:
Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote:
Let's be clear that, especially after the failure of Nupedia to take
off,
Wikipedia's success was a surprise both to Sanger and Wales. Neither
of them
expected that this would happen and can therefore not take full or
What would *really* interest me, and what I consider
to be the seminal moment - even the foundational moment -
in creating the wikipedia we all know; is when somebody
made the conceptual breakthrough to the vision of
wikipedia as something sui generis, and freestanding.
I am betting there
Probably March 2001 would be the earliest slashdotting:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/03/02/1422244
And right at the end it says:
Hector, who started the 'gnupedia' project recently wrote this on his
mailing list:
Now, the FSF's plans are give all the support to the Nupedia project.
So
Ian Woollard arranged electrons to indicate (back on 04/13/2009 10:09
AM) that:
Probably March 2001 would be the earliest slashdotting:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/03/02/1422244
Shortly after reading that Slashdot article I became Wikipedia user #30.
--
Sean Barrett | It's
-Original Message-
From: Sean Barrett s...@epoptic.com
To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 1:59 pm
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales
Ian Woollard arranged electrons to indicate (back on 04/13/2009 10:09
AM) that:
Probably March
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:04 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
snip
There's a way to tell the order in which people joined Wikipedia?
What is it?
Possibly [[Special:Preferences]], and your user ID.
My user ID is between 165,000 and 166,000.
And I created my account on 8 January 2005.
Carcharoth
-Original Message-
From: Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com
To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 3:13 pm
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:04 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
snip
There's a way to tell
Delirium wrote:
Larry Sanger wrote:
I can recognize when I am no longer welcome. I didn't really believe I ever
was welcome to begin with, but I was willing to try. I've always been
optimistic.
I assume that, since the self-appointed silencers among you are apparently
operating with
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:04:20 -0700, Delirium wrote:
I think you might also be aiming at the wrong audience to some extent.
You seem to accept the media-narrative founder myth of Wikipedia as
this thing that sprang whole cloth out of nothingness due to the
ingenuity of Jimmy Wales; save
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
Pot meet kettle.
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Talk%3AHomeopathy%2FDraftdiff=100448194oldid=100448185
A lot of people have the sort of double standard I discussed in my
WP:SAUCE essay:
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 8:45 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
Larry isn't on moderation. However, when he's going headlong into
green ink territory, I'm most certainly going to say so.
I seriously doubt that you'd be the only one.
--Oskar
2009/4/12 Delirium delir...@hackish.org:
Larry Sanger wrote:
I can recognize when I am no longer welcome. I didn't really believe I ever
was welcome to begin with, but I was willing to try. I've always been
optimistic.
For what it's worth, I don't think you're actually nearly as unwelcome
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Phil Nash pn007a2...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
It is not, and you have no right to anything other than as an ordinary
user of Wikipedia. [[WP:SOAPBOX]] and [[WP:POINT]] spring to mind. Your
personal disagreements have no place either in Wikipedia or on this
In a message dated 4/12/2009 9:31:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
brian.min...@colorado.edu writes:
This is exactly what matters. From what I can tell Sanger wrote much of
Wikipedia's initialy policy - policy that lives on today in various edited
forms. Not only was he key in coming up with the
Brian wrote:
I say this because I get the feeling that Wales and Sanger both believe
there is a lot at stake here and at the same time I feel that they both take
too much credit for what has happened. What they did is akin to writing an
academic paper that first introduces an idea. They
-Original Message-
From: Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu
To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:54 pm
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales
In my opinion what Wikipedia says about this matter is entirely
irrelevant.
Wikipedia
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Larry Sanger
sanger-li...@citizendium.orgwrote:
Moreover, I assert that it is my right to raise hell not only on this list,
but also on Jimmy Wales' user talk page--if this is really an open,
transparent, democratic project devoted to free speech.
It isn't,
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Larry Sanger
sanger-li...@citizendium.org wrote:
First, whether or not it really is, Wikipedia (like Citizendium and other
similar projects) ought to be democratic, open, and devoted to free
To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:54 pm
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales
In my opinion what Wikipedia says about this matter is entirely
irrelevant.
Wikipedia is not a source of authority on the matter - the Wikimedia
Foundation
-Original Message-
From: Anthony wikim...@inbox.org
To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 7:51 pm
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales
And don't forget
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Talk:Homeopathy/Draftdiff=prevoldid=100448877
Brian, the foundation is not the source of authority on what did or
didn't happen years before they existed. The sources of authority
would be those people who were actually present and involved in the
situation.
I'm sure that the entire company wasn't solely Jimmy and Larry. There
are
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Seth Finkelstein se...@sethf.com wrote:
What's so interesting in specific here, is that only now has Larry Sanger's
evidence reached
some of the relatively tiny number of core editors who are highly
influential in shaping the relevant Wikipedia articles.
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
Pot meet kettle.
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Talk%3AHomeopathy%2FDraftdiff=100448194oldid=100448185
And don't forget
Ironically, even the conservapedia homeopathy article is probably more
accurate than the citizendium one in this case:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Homeopathy
On 11/04/2009, Oskar Sigvardsson oskarsigvards...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
Oskar Sigvardsson wrote:
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org
wrote:
Pot meet kettle.
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Talk%3AHomeopathy%2FDraftdiff=100448194oldid=100448185
The Constabulary? How
Ian Woollard wrote:
Ironically, even the conservapedia homeopathy article is probably more
accurate than the citizendium one in this case:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Homeopathy
I /really/ don't think Wikipedia wants a pissing contest here.
Do we really want to compare the worst article
2009/4/11 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
2009/4/11 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net:
Unreal! And Larry Sanger thought he could come to Wikipedia and lodge
complaints...
Indeed. It's the bit where he's behaving here in a manner that
wouldn't be put up with for a second on Citizendium or
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 4:03 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/4/11 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net:
Unreal! And Larry Sanger thought he could come to Wikipedia and lodge
complaints...
Indeed. It's the bit where he's behaving here in a manner that
wouldn't be put up with
Folks, shout Larry down all you want - I know I personally would be happy to
see the co-founder dispute disappear forever. But threats to block or
moderate him are overboard; there is no basis for either action (and a block
would result in repercussions for the blocking admin, I'd imagine).
Fred Bauder arranged electrons to indicate (back on 04/11/2009 07:58 AM)
that:
A comment here was deleted by The Constabulary on grounds of making
complaints about fellow Citizens. If you have a complaint about the
behavior of another Citizen, e-mail constab...@citizendium.org. It is
contrary
Depends... Michel may be comparing Wikipedia (and this list in particular)
to NK as well.
Fayssal F.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:11:07 +0100
From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales
To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Message
Michel Vuijlsteke wrote:
2009/4/11 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
2009/4/11 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net:
Unreal! And Larry Sanger thought he could come to Wikipedia and lodge
complaints...
Indeed. It's the bit where he's behaving here in a manner that
wouldn't be
2009/4/10 Jon scr...@nonvocalscream.com:
I was scanning the list today so I've not read every message in this
thread. What is citizendium? Is there a linky?
http://citizendium.org/
It's another attempt to make a wiki-based free content encyclopedia
that isn't Wikipedia.
- d.
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 6:13 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/4/10 Jon scr...@nonvocalscream.com:
I was scanning the list today so I've not read every message in this
thread. What is citizendium? Is there a linky?
http://citizendium.org/
It's another attempt to make a
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote:
If he is telling the truth it seems like a perfectly legitimate request.
Wikipedia obviously cares about the issue enough to have Wikipedia articles
covering the subject and put out press releases mentioning it. If so,
Oskar Sigvardsson wrote:
This controversy has been going on for a long while now, and I just
want to say something to both Jimmy and Larry:
Suck it up, and take your petty fight elsewhere! I don't know what
happened in the early days of wikipedia, and I don't much care to. You
have
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:37 PM, doc doc.wikipe...@ntlworld.com wrote:
Oskar Sigvardsson wrote:
This controversy has been going on for a long while now, and I just
want to say something to both Jimmy and Larry:
Suck it up, and take your petty fight elsewhere! I don't know what
happened in
2009/4/10 Larry Sanger sanger-li...@citizendium.org:
Moreover, I assert that it is my right to raise hell not only on this list,
but also on Jimmy Wales' user talk page--if this is really an open,
transparent, democratic project devoted to free speech.
It isn't the last two of those things.
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Larry Sanger
sanger-li...@citizendium.orgwrote:
I'm sure I'll have more to say about posts to this list from the last 24
hours or so, but I did want to respond to this.
Various people said:
So, please, both of you, get yourself some blogs and hash
it out
2009/4/10 George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com:
If you believe that you have a right to raise hell on this list... I
request that the list moderators moderate Larry immediately.
So far it's only been respect for his role in the founding of the site
that's stopped that from happening.
George Herbert wrote:
That's not what wikien-l is for.
So, to raise a more important point, which should be more pertinent to
the purpose of this list, and of more immediate concern to Wikipedia's
integrity.
I thought I should alert the august and serious readers of this list, to
the
Larry Sanger wrote:
I'm sure I'll have more to say about posts to this list from the
last 24 hours or so, but I did want to respond to this.
Various people said:
So, please, both of you, get yourself some blogs and hash
it out away
from wikipedia servers, and away from community at large.
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Larry Sanger
sanger-li...@citizendium.org wrote:
Moreover, I assert that it is my right to raise hell not only on this list,
but also on Jimmy Wales' user talk page--if this is really an open,
transparent, democratic project devoted to free speech.
This is
David Gerard said:
Moreover, I assert that it is my right to raise hell not
only on this
list, but also on Jimmy Wales' user talk page--if this is really an
open, transparent, democratic project devoted to free speech.
It isn't the last two of those things. You need to reread
What
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Larry Sanger
sanger-li...@citizendium.org wrote:
It certainly has changed since I wrote it.
It looks as if you're trying to imply Wikipedia is not devoted to free
speech, even in discussions about the community--even in discussions about
the roles and public
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Larry Sanger
sanger-li...@citizendium.orgwrote:
David Gerard said:
Moreover, I assert that it is my right to raise hell not
only on this
list, but also on Jimmy Wales' user talk page--if this is really an
open, transparent, democratic project devoted
Moreover, I assert that it is my right to raise hell not only on this
list,
but also on Jimmy Wales' user talk page--if this is really an open,
transparent, democratic project devoted to free speech. If he wants to
take
responsibility, as he does, as sole founder of the project, to
George and Oskar, you are both making a fallacious argument. Of course
Wikipedia, as a reference resource, is not a battleground, a primary source,
or a discussion board. But WikiEN-L is, in case you didn't notice it, a
discussion board, and it is different from the encyclopedia. It also has a
Fred Bauder wrote:
Given Jimmy
Wales's reluctance to engage you and the rejection by the
community in general of your assertions, it is time to drop
those issues with respect to this list.
Well, I'm about to bow out. But I did want want to say that you are
completely wrong that the
Objection, what I think most people have said is that they think you are
probably correct in this little issue about being a co-founder, but to
be honest they don't really care would prefer not to have their inbox
filled with rubbish. Most people seem to think that complaining here is
I can recognize when I am no longer welcome. I didn't really believe I ever
was welcome to begin with, but I was willing to try. I've always been
optimistic.
I assume that, since the self-appointed silencers among you are apparently
operating with impunity, I could not possibly continue to
Fred Bauder wrote:
Given Jimmy
Wales's reluctance to engage you and the rejection by the
community in general of your assertions, it is time to drop
those issues with respect to this list.
Well, I'm about to bow out. But I did want want to say that you are
completely wrong that the
carcharot...@googlemail.com
To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 2:00:37 AM
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 6:13 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/4/10 Jon scr...@nonvocalscream.com:
I
Larry Sanger wrote:
If you don't like my message, that's fine, but do not try to deny my right
to get it out there.
You Are JoeM, And I Claim My Five Pounds.
Yours,
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
___
WikiEN-l mailing list
Oskar Sigvardsson
If you want free speech, use your blog. You can say whatever you want there.
In watching this incident unfold, I've been impressed
regarding the way that the take-it-to-where-Jimbo-*is* strategy
appears to be *right*, as a matter of effectiveness. Despite the limited
First, let me thank the moderators for approving my letter.
Replies to two different people here.
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
... it is sadly regrettable that you were
not able to choose the initial forum where you published your
diatribe with more discernment.
I disagree. As I said in
On Apr 9, 2009 9:11am, Larry Sanger sanger-li...@citizendium.org wrote:
You may not have taken the trouble to acquaint yourself
with the methods by which legitimate feedback and comment
on wikimedian matters is currently channeled, but it would
very much be worth your while, to
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Larry Sanger
sanger-li...@citizendium.org wrote:
In the end, assuming the Wikipedia community and Board reacts to this in a
mature, decent manner, it could come out of this stronger and better. On
the other hand, if you pretend that it isn't happening, or
, but you offer
a great alternative.
Bill
From: purple.clou...@gmail.com purple.clou...@gmail.com
To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 12:24:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales
On Apr 9, 2009 9
Larry Sanger wrote:
It is not pointless to get the record corrected and to hold our leaders to
high standards of honesty. This may require courage, but it is essential to
having a truly open, transparent community that has any chance of deserving
the label democratic.
One thing about
Agree with Sam, I'm not supporting Jimmy because it's clear in calling
himself the sole founder he is wrong shouldn't do it, but I really
don't see the need to continue this issue. There is no tiptoeing around
Jimmy Wales as can be seen by many people's views on here(I'm sure he's
reading
2009/4/9 Sam Korn smo...@gmail.com:
Perhaps you can explain what the world at large, the Wikipedia
community and I personally gain from publicly pursuing it.
It has in the past caused problems with our [[Wikipedia]] article and
Jimbo's past attempts to distort the record did cause unnecessary
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:15 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/4/9 Sam Korn smo...@gmail.com:
Perhaps you can explain what the world at large, the Wikipedia
community and I personally gain from publicly pursuing it.
It has in the past caused problems with our [[Wikipedia]] article and
I may agree with that but I am still waiting for mainstream media talking
about it and Larry's claims in the open before thinking about editing that
page.
Fayssal F.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 18:15:16 +0100
From: geni geni...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] An open letter to Jimmy Wales
Another set of replies.
I wrote:
... On the other hand, if you pretend that it isn't
happening, or
dismiss my concerns, you'll just be digging yourselves even deeper
into the hole you're already in. Remember: the world is watching.
Sam Korn replied:
What hole are we in, pray?
The
Another set of replies.
I wrote:
... On the other hand, if you pretend that it isn't
happening, or
dismiss my concerns, you'll just be digging yourselves even deeper
into the hole you're already in. Remember: the world is watching.
Sam Korn replied:
What hole are we in, pray?
The
Two more replies...
Charles Matthews wrote:
Seems to me you are letting off a fair amount of steam here.
That is a
traditional role of mailing lists, and in particular of wikien. Your
unsubtle flaming of Jimmy here isn't likely to change too many minds;
which is more than can be said
Larry Sanger wrote:
Two more replies...
Charles Matthews wrote:
Seems to me you are letting off a fair amount of steam here.
That is a
traditional role of mailing lists, and in particular of wikien. Your
unsubtle flaming of Jimmy here isn't likely to change too many minds;
which
2009/4/9 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
I predict it won't stop it for a moment. Mike Johnson of CZ has noted
before that criticising Wikipedia is the quickest way to publicity for
Citizendium:
http://moderndragons.blogspot.com/2007/05/modern-dragons-now-with-20-more-umlauts.html
As I
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Charles Matthews
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
Larry Sanger wrote:
It is not pointless to get the record corrected and to hold our leaders to
high standards of honesty. This may require courage, but it is essential to
having a truly open, transparent
2009/4/9 doc doc.wikipe...@ntlworld.com:
Are these IRC transcripts accurate? The source is questionable, but as a
minor participant in one of the discussions, it does seem to tally with
my (admittedly fuzzy) memories.
http://www.wikitruth.info/index.php?title=Jimbo_Fired_Up
The first one
But you know there can only be one benevolent dictator, right?
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote:
Honestly, it's important enough that the Foundation should take an
objective look at the facts and make a statement about Wikipedia's history.
On Wed, Apr 8,
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Larry Sanger
sanger-li...@citizendium.orgwrote:
... it is sadly regrettable that you were
not able to choose the initial forum where you published your
diatribe with more discernment.
I disagree. As I said in the letter itself, there is not a better place
2009/4/9 Larry Sanger sanger-li...@citizendium.org:
The reputation of Wikipedia as an endless source of scandal and dishonesty,
Nah. Sure journalists have worked out that an attack on wikipedia will
get them some viewer ship but these days the attacks tend towards
outdated recycled stuff or I
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Charles Matthews
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
Larry Sanger wrote:
Two more replies...
Charles Matthews wrote:
Seems to me you are letting off a fair amount of steam here.
That is a
traditional role of mailing lists, and in particular of wikien.
Larry Sanger wrote:
All,
Earlier today, I had no joy in trying to post this open letter to
Jimmy Wales on Jimmy's own user talk page: the man himself deleted
it. That is not the sort of behavior I would have expected of the
head of an allegedly open, transparent community devoted to free
In a message dated 4/9/2009 10:21:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
smo...@gmail.com writes:
Sanger and most media sources consider Wales and Sanger
co-founders.[cite][cite][cite] Wales disputes it, saying that,
although Sanger played a vital part in the formation of Wikipedia and
his role is
2009/4/9 Larry Sanger sanger-li...@citizendium.org
Fred Bauder replied:
A problem you are trying to stir up.
A problem I am exacerbating--quite right. Do you have a problem with that?
Yes. You can't complain that something is a problem when you are the
one who is causing it.
Basically,
That would be a matter for Foundation-l then, not wikien-l.
2009/4/9 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu:
Honestly, it's important enough that the Foundation should take an objective
look at the facts and make a statement about Wikipedia's history.
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Larry Sanger
In a message dated 4/9/2009 10:21:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
smo...@gmail.com writes:
Sanger and most media sources consider Wales and Sanger
co-founders.[cite][cite][cite] Wales disputes it, saying that,
although Sanger played a vital part in the formation of Wikipedia and
his role
The article [[History of Wikipedia]] has the /encyclopedic/ content on this,
which has been broadly stable since 2007 (revision as at today:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Wikipediaoldid=282677650#Early_roles_of_Wales_and_Sanger).
While drawing attention to a page is a
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