Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-31 Thread Béria Lima
> > ​ > > *5. The interface to the visa application web site / office is like a > black hole. There is no way you can even ask why your application is not > being responded even after 60 days. No telephone, no mail ID that can reply > to. The whole system seems to bea rude automation of some 19th

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-31 Thread Jean-Philippe Béland
gt;> than "Re: Contents of Wikimania-l digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Visa rejections (Ranjith S) >> 2. Re: Visa rejections (Josh Lim) >> 3. Re: Visa rejections (Risker) >> >> >>

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-31 Thread cs
t; 2. Re: Visa rejections (Josh Lim) >> 3. Re: Visa rejections (Risker) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 08:21:06 +0530 >> From: Ranjith S <ranjith.saj.

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-31 Thread വിശ്വപ്രഭ
- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 08:21:06 +0530 > From: Ranjith S <ranjith.saj...@gmail.com> > To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" ><wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections > Mes

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-30 Thread Ranjith S
Sorry my bad. He is holding a us visa. Not Canadian passport. But still got a rejection. On 31-Jul-2017 8:22 AM, "Josh Lim" wrote: > Hi Ranjith, > > Am I reading correctly that Viswa has a Canadian passport? If he has one, > then he doesn’t need a visa to go to

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-30 Thread Risker
I'm sorry...but this one is a red flag. Canadian passports are only issued to Canadian citizens, and Canadian citizens do not require a visa to come to Canada, regardless of where in the world they are when they start their trip. They must enter Canada using their Canadian passport for any

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-30 Thread Josh Lim
Hi Ranjith, Am I reading correctly that Viswa has a Canadian passport? If he has one, then he doesn’t need a visa to go to Montréal. Best regards, Josh > On Jul 31, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Ranjith S wrote: > > On a conversation with ViswaPrabha he confirmed that he got

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-30 Thread Ranjith S
On a conversation with ViswaPrabha he confirmed that he got visa rejection from Canadian embessy so can't participate in this wikimania. He is holding a Canadian passport but got bad. Very sad to hear this. On 28-Jul-2017 3:50 AM, "Ellie Young" wrote: > We have a

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-27 Thread Ellie Young
We have a waitlist from the original pool of people who made it into Phase 2 consideration by the Scholarship committee. Those people were notified that they might be offered a scholarship as late as mid-July. We have filled the people who couldn't attend for whatever reason after they

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-27 Thread Rehman Abubakr
Excuse me for the blunt question. But are there any shortlisted candidates this time? A fellow Wikimedian asked me this, and I though I might as well ask the same on this thread. I'm sure there would be a lot of genuinely interested Wikimedians who would like to attend the conference, in

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-27 Thread balaji
Hi, I am Balaji. User:Balajijagadesh from India. Yesterday My visa application was rejected with the reply that "Having a legitimate business purpose in Canada". Best wishes far people participating in wikimania Regards, J. Balaji On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Gnangarra

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-27 Thread Gnangarra
I have on 4 occassions put forward Perth WA bids, including for 2017, 2018 and 2019, my response was purely to highlight that information being put forward in this email thread that was incorrect and later praise as nice to facts being presented. NO intention of usurping this thread. I'm well

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-27 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Gnagarra, if you want to make a proposal to host wikimania - please do. There's a whole package of things to consider though, not just visa. Otherwise, I think it is mostly distractingin this contest to hear people 'brag' about their own country's visa policy. If that is a topic you want to

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-26 Thread Gnangarra
Unfair to say Australia is the least friendly country as the Australian Customs and Border protection has a whole dedicated process for conferences https://www.border.gov.au/Busi/Trav/Conf that enable processing of visa regardless of country by the organisors. That over 100 countries can apply

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-26 Thread Ellie Young
On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Isaac Olatunde wrote: > I agree with Jonathan that issuing scholarship earlier than three months > before event is meaningless. What I see as the most viable solution to this > problem is that WMF should leave invitations to host country

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-26 Thread Dr. U.B. Pavanaja
) Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections Hey Folks, I got my passport back today and count me in to the 'rejected party' :) The grounds of rejection are 'Travel History' and 'Purpose of Travel'. Though I have a fair travel history with 3 Schengen, a valid USA visa and some other visas. I guess

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-26 Thread Nahid Sultan
Hey Folks, I got my passport back today and count me in to the 'rejected party' :) The grounds of rejection are 'Travel History' and 'Purpose of Travel'. Though I have a fair travel history with 3 Schengen, a valid USA visa and some other visas. I guess the guy even didn't bother to check my

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-04 Thread Isaac Olatunde
I agree with Jonathan that issuing scholarship earlier than three months before event is meaningless. What I see as the most viable solution to this problem is that WMF should leave invitations to host country who is expected to work in tandem with their Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-04 Thread Dhaval S. Vyas
Hi Jonathan, With regard to the point 2, issuing scholarships early, how early is a question. Most countries, if not all, only allows one to apply no more than 3 months prior to their intended date of travel, so notifying recipients 6 months in advance is not going to help them in anyways. We

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-04 Thread Ivan Martínez
I think there is an impossible task have a country to host a Wikimania with all the ideal conditions. For an example, Canada and Mexico for better or worse share borders with US, and there are many geopolitical factors and mutual agreements derived from States strong advocacy around migration,

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-04 Thread Jonathan Cardy
Hi Levin, Of your three points: 1 Is good, but I can remember one winning bid where there was a very strong reassurance at the bid stage which then didn't really work out well during the organisation stage. I'm not going to name the bid, but I will say that people ask questions and not every

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-04 Thread Shanmugam Pachamuthu
I was not asking wmf or anyone other than the applicant to publish the details. If the applicant is ok then they can publish. Again things that you guys consider privicy sensitive may not be privacy sensitive to others. It maybe a cultural difference or unawareness. For example Third question a

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-04 Thread Shanmugam Pachamuthu
I think WMF should already have this information. maybe we can ask them to publish country wise anonymous data or something alike. I agree that it's privacy sensitive data, maybe not a good idea to publish along with username but for most of the visa applications we have to publish our previous

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-04 Thread Levon Azizian
I support what Lodewijk told. This information may be collected only by WMF staff who signed a contest that this info will not be shared with anyone, otherwise than just statistics without personification. Personal data protection is a very important issue. Levon 2017-07-04 15:41 GMT+03:00

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-04 Thread Lodewijk
Please don't. This is privacy sensitive information that might actually hurt people in future visa applications (for example, in another country). If you want to collect such info, I suggest you get someone with the proper privacy clearance with the WMF to collect it, and analyze it. Lodewijk

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-04 Thread Shanmugam Pachamuthu
If it's ok with everyone, can we update this table with visa status (Approved, Rejected, In progress)? On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Béria Lima wrote: > Out of how many people

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-04 Thread Harry Mitchell
It strikes me that it would be helpful to focus on how we can improve the visa process for attendees from (predominantly) African and Asian countries rather than trying to find a utopia that has a very relaxed visa policy *and* a palatable government *and* political stability *and* modern

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-04 Thread Béria Lima
Out of how many people who tried for a visa from those countries? On Jul 3, 2017 14:09, "Jayanta Nath" wrote: As per latest update: from India 4 Indian, 3 Armenian and 3/2 African rejected. Regards, Jayanta Nath On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-04 Thread DaB.
Hello, Am 03.07.2017 um 19:04 schrieb Dhaval S. Vyas: > Can we please not keep this thread dedicated to the discussion that the > subject suggests? it was cs who tried to advertise a unfit country – where were you „please stick to the topic“-mail then? And sorry that telling the truth COULD hurt

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-03 Thread Jayanta Nath
As per latest update: from India 4 Indian, 3 Armenian and 3/2 African rejected. Regards, Jayanta Nath On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas wrote: > Can we please not keep this thread dedicated to the discussion that the > subject suggests? What European medias has

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-03 Thread Dhaval S. Vyas
Can we please not keep this thread dedicated to the discussion that the subject suggests? What European medias has shown and what any individual's belief for any country of the world could be fun to discuss on social media where more people can join. These kind of personal views can hurt feelings

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-03 Thread DaB.
Hello, Am 03.07.2017 um 04:41 schrieb Asaf Bartov: > DaB.: Wikimania has already been held in a military dictatorship (Egypt, > 2008), without particular problems. that’s not a reason to repeat the mistake. If you held an event (especially such a big one as the Wikimania) in a dictatorship, you

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-03 Thread Jane Darnell
; > > Kind regards > > > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Asaf Bartov <abar...@wikimedia.org> > *Sent: *03 July 2017 04:43 > *To: *Wikimania general list (open subscription) > <wikimania-

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-03 Thread Peter Southwood
, Peter From: Wikimania-l [mailto:wikimania-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Ilario Valdelli Sent: Monday, 03 July 2017 10:02 AM To: Wikimania general list (open subscription) Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections And to progress the best is to don’t forget some interesting

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-03 Thread Jonathan Cardy
Number of countries not requiring a visa is a misleading metric, some visas are basically a tourist tax paid on entry to the country and some are a filter system to keep out anyone who might overstay and become an illegal migrant. That's before you get into the issue of some countries being

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-03 Thread Ilario Valdelli
is to stress this point. Kind regards Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Asaf Bartov Sent: 03 July 2017 04:43 To: Wikimania general list (open subscription) Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections DaB.: Wikimania has already been held in a military dictatorship (Egypt, 2008), without particular

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-02 Thread Asaf Bartov
DaB.: Wikimania has already been held in a military dictatorship (Egypt, 2008), without particular problems. But I suggest that this thread is not helped by personal opinions of countries. I applaud Mykola for introducing actual data into the discussion. A. On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 6:48 PM cs

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-02 Thread cs
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? I’ve lived here for nearly 20 years along with a million other Western expats. Or would you prefer SA with its extremely high crime rate and a history of bigotry that still lingers to this day. Now that’s a place I won’t be gong to. Kudpung >

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-02 Thread Mykola Kozlenko
I would rather say it should not be the only measure. Of course Israel is a very special case (and so are countries whose governments ban Israeli citizens from entering their countries). Other than that we have multiple measures of visa-friendliness: * number of countries whose citizens do not

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-02 Thread Amir Ladsgroup
Number of countries that can enter a country without visa is not a good measurement for a country being visa-friendly. Let's use your example. Per what you said it seems Israel is a more visa friendly country than Italy which is not correct. It's correct Israel allows more people to visit without

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-02 Thread Mykola Kozlenko
Hi, For the sake of the discussion on "it's way better in my country", please look what your country's visa policy really is. For instance, check  https://www.passportindex.org/byWelcomingRank.php or relative (English) Wikipedia articles. The former gives the following figures: (Five latest

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-02 Thread DaB.
Hello, Am 02.07.2017 um 13:37 schrieb cs: > a country like Thailand where I live you mean a country which is currently a military dictatorship (for the second time in 10 years)? A country that was THIS close to a open civil war? And if not a civil war, maybe a real war with Cambodia? Visa

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-02 Thread cs
I think this another good argument for holding Wikimania in a country like Thailand where I live, that has one of the most open travel doors in the world. The nationals of most countries can arrive here without any special documentation except of course a valid passport, and

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-02 Thread Jonathan Cardy
Sadly not just Canada. I know the UK keeps the passport of applicants while they process the visa, and Georgians applying for a UK visa will have that processed in Ankara. Though the 8 weeks is slow for a visitor visa, not much chance to attend a funeral with that. On a more practical note,

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-02 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2017-06-22 13:57 GMT+03:00 Lodewijk : > > I wonder, do we keep track of the number of visa rejections year over year, so that we know in comparison? > > There are of course many factors that go into venue selection - one of them is visa (another is security, political

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-02 Thread Jane Darnell
That makes it sound even worse (creepy even, given the 8 weeks and counting time frame) On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Mardetanha wrote: > ​Canadian visas are kinda different from rest of the world, Iran, > Azerbaijan and Georgia and turkey are considered in Visa

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-02 Thread Mardetanha
​Canadian visas are kinda different from rest of the world, Iran, Azerbaijan and Georgia and turkey are considered in Visa center in Ankara. Most Arabic countries are being considered in Amman Jordan. some Caucasian are being considered in Moscow and in Europe most are in VAC office in Paris ​. so

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-02 Thread Jane Darnell
Wow so sorry to read this, Armine! If the pillars of our community are having their visas "rejected-by-filing-in-Moscow" then this is surely newsworthy? Maybe someone can run a piece on this problem? This case in particular is pretty shocking to me. On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 8:11 AM, Armine Aghayan

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-02 Thread Armine Aghayan
Hello all, I am from Armenia and I applid for a temporary Canadian visa on May 8, 2017 from the Canada visa application centre (CVAC) in Armenia. My documents were transferred from CVAC in Armenia to Embassy of Canada to Moscow on May 15, 2017. On http://www.cic.gc.ca page it says that documents

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-01 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 22 June 2017 at 10:23, Bodhisattwa Mandal wrote: > The main topic of discussion among the scholarship recipients from global > south this month is the high visa rejection rate by Canadian embassies from > these countries. Today in Canada, Prime Minister Justin

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-07-01 Thread Mardetanha
today I found out another wikimedian from Iraq was also rejected because of "purpose of trip", I highly believe this stem from our invitation letter which is from WFM not a local entity. why should an American foundation invite someone to Canada ? it would be great if others could update us about

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-27 Thread Cornelius Kibelka
Hello all, While preparing the report for the last Wikimedia Conference (which we will publish on Friday), Daniela Gentner, our logistics coordinator, has written a detailed learning pattern about how to support participants in getting a (German) Schengen visa for the Wikimedia Conference. While

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-26 Thread Pine W
The creation of one or more learning patterns could be good here. Please see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Learning_patterns. Pine On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Ellie Young wrote: > I think the centralized place on meta is a great idea so we could put > tips,

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-25 Thread Ellie Young
I think the centralized place on meta is a great idea so we could put tips, samples, and maybe even an 'advice line' for people who might be able to help someone in a particular region. If someone wants to start this I'd be happy to add, edit, etc. Ellie On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 5:47 AM, Amir

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-25 Thread Peter Southwood
) Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections Hi Amir, I found your experience with visa issue very edifying. You can write a study case for this matter. Do not wait for opening centralized place on meta to share what you know about how to get a visa. Regards, Zana 2017-06-24 14:47

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-24 Thread Zana Strkovska
Hi Amir, I found your experience with visa issue very edifying. You can write a study case for this matter. Do not wait for opening centralized place on meta to share what you know about how to get a visa. Regards, Zana 2017-06-24 14:47 GMT+02:00 Amir Ladsgroup : > As a

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-24 Thread Amir Ladsgroup
As a person who missed three events because of rejection of visa (one Wikimania, one Wikimedia Hackathon, one WikiArabia) and missed two other because couldn't event get an appointment with the embassy (DevSummits) I want to share my experience here. There is three parties involved in this case:

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-24 Thread Ilario valdelli
On 24/06/2017 02:00, Ellie Young wrote: On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Gabriel Thullen > wrote: I have a few comments: 1) We do not know how the Montreal venue was selected for Wikimania. Jean-Philippe said: "A

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-23 Thread Gnangarra
I would think that once a location is chosen the first step would be for the WMF to immediately open up discussions with the relevant Authority to ensure that scholarships recipients have sufficient paperwork and time to get approval as well as any assurances or processing options can be put in

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-23 Thread Risker
Writing as a Canadian, I can only apologize for the difficulty so many of you are having in obtaining visas to this country. I am really looking forward to welcoming many of you to the beautiful city of Montreal, and I am devastated to read that so many people seem to be being turned down for

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-23 Thread Jayanta Nath
So an organisation P in country Q writes a letter of support to country R to grant a visa to person S from country T on the basis that organization P thinks that person S is actually the pseudonymous user U? ++ this is the big issue. On 24-Jun-2017 6:58 AM, "Kerry Raymond"

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-23 Thread Kerry Raymond
So an organisation P in country Q writes a letter of support to country R to grant a visa to person S from country T on the basis that organization P thinks that person S is actually the pseudonymous user U? I am not surprised immigration officials don't find this an entirely compelling reason

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-23 Thread Mohamed Ibrahim
I believe this was not the best decision to make, I can understand handling recipients' financials and some other logistics through WMF. But clearly visas should have been handled by some entity in Canada. We ran into some problems in 2008 (limited number as Egypt is a touristic country in the

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-23 Thread Felix Nartey
A lot of great suggestions and comments have been shared on here, but just to add unto that. One thing I know for sure that works is having an invitation letter from say the WMF and the Local Organising Organisation. It is also very useful to often include mayors of towns, states and cities where

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-23 Thread Ellie Young
On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Gabriel Thullen wrote: > I have a few comments: > 1) > We do not know how the Montreal venue was selected for Wikimania. > Jean-Philippe said: > "A "Wikimania Montreal Committee", now defunct, was behind the request to > WMF to have Wikimania

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-23 Thread Gabriel Thullen
I have a few comments: 1) We do not know how the Montreal venue was selected for Wikimania. Jean-Philippe said: "A "Wikimania Montreal Committee", now defunct, was behind the request to WMF to have Wikimania in Montreal and they did not coordinate with the chapter in doing this." The situation

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-23 Thread Nurunnaby Hasive
Sorry to know that visa rejection news. As my thought visa process fully depends on the embassy. It's not guaranteed any chapter even WMF to ensure that If they provide invitation letter that means anyone got a visa! I may share my last Wikimania Mexico experience at this point. Mexico Embassy

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-23 Thread Jean-Philippe Béland
I suggest you direct your questions to vi...@wikimedia.org. Those requests were managed by an international team. You will get better answers than on this mailing list I think. JP On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:07 PM Jayanta Nath wrote: > Hi, > > I don't understand that how

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-23 Thread Ilario valdelli
Interesting. You are right and you don't have to blame and there is no sense to excuse the current rejection of visas. Instead of speaking always of a division Global North and Global South there should be a support for your action to save an important event like Wikimania. Kind regards

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-23 Thread Ranjith S
Hai, My thought is - at first Canada is a tough country to get VISA for people from Asia, Africa and other 3rd world countries. They like only people with USA,UK Visa. Then the invitation problem it was from USA. No mention about an organisation in Canada. Third the Canadian embassy is reject

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-23 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Jayanta, please be careful to make judgement calls without knowing all the facts. Lodewijk On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Jayanta Nath wrote: > Hi, > > I don't understand that how WMCA directed by WMF about the VISA > invitation? In visa application, there must have

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-23 Thread Jayanta Nath
Hi, I don't understand that how WMCA directed by WMF about the VISA invitation? In visa application, there must have an invitation for Canada, otherwise it would reject. We are applying Visa to Canada, but invitation comes from USA. This is a foolish decision made by WMF. As per my knowledge in

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-23 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Jean-Philippe, just to be clear: I'm not trying to blame WMCA for anything. 'being able to accomplish that' includes having the expertise and manpower. It would be great if you could help with visa issues, but given the situation, that is just not always possible. Lodewijk On Fri, Jun 23,

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-23 Thread Jean-Philippe Béland
Wikimedia Canada was not the requester behind having Wikimania in Montreal, so it cannot be blamed for that. A "Wikimania Montreal Committee", now defunct, was behind the request to WMF to have Wikimania in Montreal and they did not coordinate with the chapter in doing this. As a chapter, we are

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-22 Thread Ranjith S
My visa is also got rejected. So I am not coming to Canada this year. I think Canada is a bad place for Wikimania due to their strict rules. And thinking that is not a tourist friendly country. On 22-Jun-2017 8:59 PM, "Ivan Martínez" wrote: > Following the Stuart's

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-22 Thread Ranjith S
My visa is also got rejected. So I am not coming to Canada this year. I think Canada is a bad place for Wikimania due to their strict rules. And thinking that is not a tourist friendly country. On 23-Jun-2017 12:52 AM, "Jayanta Nath" wrote: > I think Wikimedia Canada not

[Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-22 Thread Jayanta Nath
I think Wikimedia Canada not send any intimation to their Embassy of respective countries. Jayanta Nath ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-22 Thread Ivan Martínez
Following the Stuart's commentary, for Mexico City the low rate of rejection was not for free. I supposed my country was a friendly destination because their history welcoming people from all over the world until I was involved in the visa process for many wikimedians who faced different kind of

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-22 Thread Nkansah Rexford
In addition, providing this *true assistance* won't be for *all* attendees. In many cases, only a select few of the total attendees will have the visa-related issues. Thus, say out of 100 applicants, just less than 20 individuals might need the assistance beyond the letter at their local

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-22 Thread Peter Southwood
list (open subscription) Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections These issues are a symptom of the closed processes that have occurred firstly with Montreal and next year with middle eastern attendees to Cape Town . Acknowledging that the change was because of the amount effort put

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-22 Thread ilario.valdelli
; Date: 22/06/2017 13:24 (GMT+01:00) To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" <wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections Lodewijk, AFAIK we've never kept track of rejections, but I could find out. My gut feeling is that there hasn't be

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-22 Thread Lodewijk
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Stuart Prior wrote: > Lodewijk, AFAIK we've never kept track of rejections, but I could find > out. My gut feeling is that there hasn't been a massive variation over the > past 4 years, I think Mexico City was the most open to

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-22 Thread Nkansah Rexford
Well, the goal won't be to *influence* or whatnot. That isn't gonna work. The goal is to provide extra details and answer questions that might come up. Some systems aren't entirely closed. From the outside, it looks closed, but a closer look reveals there's the option for recognized organizations

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-22 Thread Deryck Chan
In 2013, a number of Wikimania attendees had their Hong Kong visas stuck in the pipeline at the local Chinese embassies with no response to any enquiry. A month before Wikimania, a local sponsor of Wikimania 2013 (DotAsia) agreed to be guarantor and negotiated directly with the Immigration

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-22 Thread Stuart Prior
Lodewijk, AFAIK we've never kept track of rejections, but I could find out. My gut feeling is that there hasn't been a massive variation over the past 4 years, I think Mexico City was the most open to everybody (?) Rexford, possibly (and yeah Wiki = Wikileaks is *always* a problem lol). But some

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-22 Thread Nkansah Rexford
It is easy to conclude the location hinders visa application acceptance. As much as it appears to be so, I strongly believe if there's good enough Visa support and assistance from the Wikimania Team/WMF, rejected cases could be low. Obviously, an applicant should have documents intact and good,

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-22 Thread Lodewijk
I wonder, do we keep track of the number of visa rejections year over year, so that we know in comparison? There are of course many factors that go into venue selection - one of them is visa (another is security, political stability etc). The countries that I remember going relatively smoothly

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-22 Thread Felix Nartey
This is a big issue and I think should be looked into more seriously. Similar challenges were faced by participants from the Global South selected to attend the CC Summit in Toronto early this year. This should inform future selection for all conference venues as it allows for poor representation

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-22 Thread Gnangarra
These issues are a symptom of the closed processes that have occurred firstly with Montreal and next year with middle eastern attendees to Cape Town . Acknowledging that the change was because of the amount effort put in by unsuccessful bidders was said to be wasted its showing that some things

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-22 Thread cs
That’s one of the reasons why I proposed Bangkok, Thailand, for 2019 - apart from its extremely tolerant social cultures and very low cost, while being a very modern hi-tech city easily accessible by direct flights from most parts of the world. Almost everyone can enter the country

Re: [Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-22 Thread Leon Liesener
+1, I'm as well shocked to hear of so many unsuccessful visa applications this year. Regards, Leon > Am 2017-06-22 um 11:23 schrieb Bodhisattwa Mandal > : > > Hi, > > The main topic of discussion among the scholarship recipients from global > south this month is

[Wikimania-l] Visa rejections

2017-06-22 Thread Bodhisattwa Mandal
Hi, The main topic of discussion among the scholarship recipients from global south this month is the high visa rejection rate by Canadian embassies from these countries. This year, we had 7 scholarship recipients from Bengali community, 4 from India and 3 from Bangladesh. Already 3 out of 4