You could start by making the edit links permanently visible and clearly
labeled. The mouse-over thing is really annoying, as I click on the wrong
link often and the delay getting back to where I wanted to be is
frustrating.
Display them as differently coloured buttons. [Wikitext editor] and
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Peter Southwood
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote:
You could start by making the edit links permanently visible and clearly
labeled.
Yeah, I've already requested this, since it seems like an easy win.
The mouseover behavior is really not a good solution - it
As Bishakha I believe time now is ripe to strengthen the election
process and that we should aim for a standing committee. In the same
time I think it would be good to look into this group a bit further
(technical support, how to elect the committee, split dates for
FDC/board elections etc).
That should help, Any idea of when we can expect the change?
Cheers,
Peter
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On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Peter Southwood
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That should help, Any idea of when we can expect the change?
Last time I discussed with Trevor he mentioned that it was a trivial
fix (we just need to remove the hover effect), so let me bug them
tomorrow :).
Thanks Erik for the helpful attitude.
Out of curiosity (not sure if this was discussed in more detail before -
apologies for that), is it indeed true that Visual Editor is significantly
slower than the regular editor (it feels like that to me, but might be my
computer playing tricks on me), and
On 31 July 2013 10:59, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:
de:wp convinced you. What would it take to convince you on en:wp? (I'm
asking for a clear objective criterion here. If you can only offer a
subjective one, please explain how de:wp convinced you when en:wp
hasn't.)
Hi
It is a fair question.
Peter
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Erik Moeller, 31/07/2013 07:28:
We can't just work through a
mountain of feedback in a waterfall development model and hope that
all our assumptions about how to fix this or that complex issue will
work out in practice.
+1
Also, such an important feature cannot be based on biased feedback from
On 07/31/2013 10:52 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
I think it would be helpful, if possible, to give some guesstimates of
this, i.e.: how longer a wait it would cost us to reach some rank of
quality if the deployment was downscaled; or, what would be the
deadline for feedback on aspects X and
Hoi,
Quality like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. One thing that I learned
today is that the Visual Editor will have functionality that only the more
accomplished editors will enter directly or they will use templates. With
VE these templates are redundant.
From my perspective, the future
Hello everyone,
Please see below for the Wikimedia UK monthly report for June. For those of
you who prefer to view the report on wiki, you can see it
herehttp://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reports/2013/June
.
We always welcome contributions to the chapter's monthly reports from
engaged Wikimedians.
Am 31.07.2013 15:07 schrieb Risker risker...@gmail.com:
On 31 July 2013 08:36, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 July 2013 10:59, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:
de:wp convinced you. What would it take to convince you on en:wp?
(I'm
asking for a clear
It is not so much the presence of the button, that I ,and preumably some
others, object to, as that if you switch from one wiki to another a lot,
which I do, you tend to click on the wrong link a lot of the time, and that
wastes time for absolutely no useful purpose whatsoever. The links should
On 31 July 2013 13:32, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:
Am 31.07.2013 15:07 schrieb Risker risker...@gmail.com:
On 31 July 2013 08:36, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 July 2013 10:59, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com
wrote:
de:wp convinced you.
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Gerard Meijssen
gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Quality like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. One thing that I learned
today is that the Visual Editor will have functionality that only the more
accomplished editors will enter directly or they will use
2013/7/31 Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Gerard Meijssen
gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Quality like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. One thing that I learned
today is that the Visual Editor will have functionality that only the more
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:36 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
Certainly. However, it's the obvious question to ask, and a curious
question to spend several paragraphs not answering.
Erik, James - how did de:wp convinced you when en:wp hasn't?
Hi David,
I don't really agree with your
On 31 July 2013 19:27, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:36 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
Erik, James - how did de:wp convinced you when en:wp hasn't?
I don't really agree with your framing - it's not about who's
convincing who, but being on a
On 7/29/13 10:50 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Jan Ainali jan.ain...@wikimedia.se wrote:
I have not read the vision statement as it is the production of knowledge
that need be availible to every human being, but the consumption.
Actually, having co-drafted the
See attachment.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data
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See attachment.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data
the NSA has created a multi-tiered system that allows analysts to store
interesting content in other databases, such as one named Pinwale which
can store material for up to five years.
Fred
How is this related to the foundation?
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
See attachment.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data
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Apparently Wikipedia was or is one of the targeted websites.
Risker
On 31 July 2013 15:42, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote:
How is this related to the foundation?
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net
wrote:
See attachment.
Hmmm, the word wiki isn't named anywhere.
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
Apparently Wikipedia was or is one of the targeted websites.
Risker
On 31 July 2013 15:42, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote:
How is this related to the foundation?
It's from a slide they have a bit down the page with our logal about why
they are interested in http. You can search for nearly everything a
typical user does on the internet
You can also see the slide on Jimmy's tweet about said issue:
https://twitter.com/jimmy_wales/status/362626509648834560
I believe the concern derives from one of the subpages of the article:
https://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/audio/video/2013/7/31/1375269604628/KS8-001.jpg
(Credit to David Gerard for digging that out; this same issue is under
discussion on the Wikitech-L list.)
Risker
On 31 July
Look at the attached image.
Fred
Hmmm, the word wiki isn't named anywhere.
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
Apparently Wikipedia was or is one of the targeted websites.
Risker
On 31 July 2013 15:42, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote:
How is
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe the concern derives from one of the subpages of the article:
https://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/audio/video/2013/7/31/1375269604628/KS8-001.jpg
(Credit to David Gerard for digging that out; this same
On 31 July 2013 20:48, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe the concern derives from one of the subpages of the article:
https://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/audio/video/2013/7/31/1375269604628/KS8-001.jpg
(Credit to David Gerard for digging that out; this same issue is
On 31 July 2013 21:00, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 July 2013 20:48, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe the concern derives from one of the subpages of the article:
https://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/audio/video/2013/7/31/1375269604628/KS8-001.jpg
(Credit
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:28 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 July 2013 19:27, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:36 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
Erik, James - how did de:wp convinced you when en:wp hasn't?
I don't really agree
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:00 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 July 2013 21:00, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 July 2013 20:48, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe the concern derives from one of the subpages of the article:
On 31 July 2013 21:47, Ryan Lane rl...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Why would we expect that we weren't being targeted? Knowing what people are
looking up is powerful knowledge.
That doesn't make it one dot less reprehensible.
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On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Ryan Lane rl...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Why would we expect that we weren't being targeted? Knowing what people are
looking up is powerful knowledge.
- Ryan
Indeed. It's much more safe and sensible to just go down to your library
and check out a book.
Oh,
What surprises me is that anyone is surprised by any of this information.
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What surprises me is that anyone is surprised by any of this information.
It's one thing to have suspicions and theories about it; but if the third
party is constantly denying the allegations and with no recourse there's no
point in getting angry. Now that we have reasonable doubt, I hesitate
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Matthew Walker mwal...@wikimedia.org wrote:
What surprises me is that anyone is surprised by any of this information.
It's one thing to have suspicions and theories about it; but if the third
party is constantly denying the allegations and with no recourse
On 31 July 2013 23:01, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
I think that's just naive. Of course it was always denied until it
became impossible to deny it. That's how these things work. But I have
honestly assumed for many years that virtually everything transmitted
over almost any electronic
Thanks David. Always appreciate your wit.
That said, I wasn't claiming that anticipating being monitored was
exceptional. Quite the opposite; I said I was surprised there was
anyone who didn't already assume everything was trapped and traced.
Your reaction of Fuck. Fuck these people. suggests you
And another thought - you know what unites most of the other companies
represented by the logos in that image? Leaks have confirmed that most
of them are the subject of secret orders to turn over huge amounts of
raw data to the government. They are all bound to secrecy by law, so
without
On 7/31/2013 3:31 PM, Nathan wrote:
And another thought - you know what unites most of the other companies
represented by the logos in that image? Leaks have confirmed that most
of them are the subject of secret orders to turn over huge amounts of
raw data to the government. They are all bound
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote:
On 7/31/2013 3:31 PM, Nathan wrote:
And another thought - you know what unites most of the other companies
represented by the logos in that image? Leaks have confirmed that most
of them are the subject of secret
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.comwrote:
Now if you imagine the puzzle globe on that slide implies that
Wikipedia traffic is retained for intelligence analysis, it's a short
hop to assume that the Wikimedia Foundation is also the subject of a
blanket order
I think it's more reasonable to assume that
Wikipedia (which shares many features with Google, Yahoo, Twitter,
Facebook and other social networks) has been the subject of this kind
of demand than that it hasn't. No one with direct knowledge would be
able to do anything other than deny it, but
I think it's more reasonable to assume that
Wikipedia (which shares many features with Google, Yahoo, Twitter,
Facebook and other social networks) has been the subject of this kind
of demand than that it hasn't. No one with direct knowledge would be
able to do anything other than deny it, but we
On 07/31/2013 09:27 PM, Ryan Lane wrote:
I would be fired and jailed before I knowingly let that occur. If this was
the case I'd very surely not be working for Wikimedia Foundation.
And very many of us live outside the jurisdiction of the entities that
would be doing the monitoring and would be
Also keep in mind that WMF has explicitly stated that they received no such
demand. If they had, they still could say If we had received such a
demand, we couldn't legally discuss it, still comply with the order, and
let us read between the lines. While I don't always agree with WMF, I have
more
Nathan wrote:
... It seems that most of the data they
collect is wiped within 3 days; that the data itself can only be
analyzed under a fairly specific set of minimization rules
Are you referring to the 2009 Holder minimization rules which per
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Ryan Lane rl...@wikimedia.org wrote:
I would be fired and jailed before I knowingly let that occur. If this was
the case I'd very surely not be working for Wikimedia Foundation.
Key word there being knowingly.
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On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Ryan Lane rl...@wikimedia.org wrote:
I would be fired and jailed before I knowingly let that occur. If this was
the case I'd very surely not be working for Wikimedia Foundation.
Key word there being knowingly.
I don't
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
I mean, look at how Jimbo sold the VisualEditor to the press at the start
of the roll-out:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wikipedia/10196578/Wikipedia-introduces-new-features-to-entice-editors.html
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Op 2013/07/31 21:58, Erik Moeller schreef:
There's a reason every start-up on the planet follows the idea of the
Minimum Viable Product like a religion.
If you had followed that, and understood that the Minimum Viable Product
included cut-and-paste, table editing, and maybe the ability to
very helpful, james. thanks so much for clue-ing me in. definitely want to
know more of the backstory on the chapters sometime. ttyt :)
On Wednesday, July 31, 2013, Tim Starling wrote:
On 01/08/13 14:15, Anthony wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Ryan Lane
Whoops! :) That wasn't meant to be a reply-to-all. Sorry, everyone. Rookie
mistake... :]
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Anna Koval ako...@wikimedia.org wrote:
very helpful, james. thanks so much for clue-ing me in. definitely want
to know more of the backstory on the chapters sometime.
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