No, but presenting an appearance of surprise is a bit disingenuous.
P
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From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com
To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] NSA
On 31 July 2013 21:47,
And non-western countries probably go further if their technological
capacity allows it. If you are not being spied on by somebody it is
because no-one could be bothered or they havent got around to it yet, not
because any law protects your privacy.
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From: Nathan
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Kevin Wayne Williams
kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote:
If you had followed that, and understood that the Minimum Viable Product
included cut-and-paste, table editing, and maybe the ability to
successfully and completely edit the hundred or so most edited
Does the law actually require them to lie about data demands when
questioned?
P
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From: Nathan nawr...@gmail.com
To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] NSA
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013
Thanks, This answers my question.
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From: Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org
To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 2:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] NSA
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Michael Snow
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:44 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 01/08/13 14:15, Anthony wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Ryan Lane rl...@wikimedia.org wrote:
I would be fired and jailed before I knowingly let that occur. If this was
the case I'd very surely not be
Hey Kevin,
contrary to your belief (and in spite of your desire to blame me ;-),
I actually have a ton of respect for the opinions you've expressed
throughout the process, and for the level of detail and time you've
committed to it, including helping in a hands-on manner. I don't agree
with you
If we are going to discuss Minimal Viable Product, then we might want
to take note of the line in the Wikipedia article that says:
The product is typically deployed to a subset of possible customers,
such as early adopters that are thought to be more forgiving, more
likely to give feedback, and
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote:
As a quick reminder here, before any conspiracy theories about orders and
data retention get out of control:
1) We've flat-out denied any sort of involvement in this, and we continue
to stand by that denial:
The letters must be sent to the organization rather than an individual. The
idea of going to an individual employee and strongarming them may happen, but
the law around NSLs is specific.
The court cases to date indicate that if an individual employee got a US NSL
and sued over it, the judge
It is funny (but also sad) to see how people thought that Internet privacy
was respected in Western world. Almost 99% only worried about China/Iran
Internet monitoring and censorship but we had here the most comprehensive
spy system logging every site you read.
Wake up!
Thanks everyone - I learned and grew a lot here thanks to all of you. Now
Lisa, Megan, Sara, Katie and the whole fundraising team are going to take
it up to a whole new level of efficiency and brilliance.
I'm excited about my next gig -- not yet announced, but not a secret --
which is going back
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:44 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.orgwrote:
On 01/08/13 14:15, Anthony wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Ryan Lane rl...@wikimedia.org wrote:
I would be fired and jailed before I knowingly let that occur. If this
was
the case I'd very surely not be
This may be a stupid question, but is it possible to put a label into a
complicated template which will simply prevent VE from trying to edit it?
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From: Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org
To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Thursday,
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Kevin Wayne Williams
kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote:
The editor was able to change a 4 to a 5 in an existing table, that's true.
Could that editor add a row? No. Add a column? No. Delete a row or a column?
No. Are all of those operations part of the bare minimum
On Thursday, August 1, 2013, Anthony wrote:
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:44 AM, Tim Starling
tstarl...@wikimedia.orgjavascript:;
wrote:
On 01/08/13 14:15, Anthony wrote:
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Ryan Lane
rl...@wikimedia.orgjavascript:;
wrote:
I would be fired and jailed
REMINDER: This meeting starts in 30 minutes.
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Praveena Maharaj pmaha...@wikimedia.orgwrote:
Dear all,
The next WMF metrics and activities meeting will take place on Thursday,
August 1, 2013 at 6:00 PM UTC (11 AM PDT). The IRC channel is
#wikimedia-office on
Anders Wennersten, 31/07/2013 09:18:
As Bishakha I believe time now is ripe to strengthen the election
process and that we should aim for a standing committee. In the same
time I think it would be good to look into this group a bit further
(technical support, how to elect the committee, split
Dear Colleagues at the Foundation
I just came across an artecle called White Africans of European ancestry.
What is that even supposed to mean? Who would be any other white people
if not of Europen ancestry? What other white people (yes, WP has a
definition of white people could these be?
Dear Colleagues at the Foundation
I just came across an artecle called White Africans of European
ancestry.
What is that even supposed to mean? Who would be any other white
people
if not of Europen ancestry?
The Ainu people, not that it matters.
Fred
With the NSA revelations over the past months, there has been some very
questionable information starting to circulate suggesting that trying to
implement perfect forward secrecy for https web traffic isn't worth the
effort. I am not sure of the provenance of these reports, and I would like
to see
Rui,
if your basic assumption is that Wikipedia will never be a real
encyclopedia because of the lack of diversity among its contributors, I
would like to know of any other encyclopedia that is anywhere close to the
diversity among its contributors that Wikipedia has (just a side-note, the
On 8/1/13 10:22 PM, Rui Correia wrote:
So, just because there isn't an artice about Khoi people living in
Denmark is no reason to not have an article about White Europens of
Europen descent livng in Patagonia or White Europens of Europen descent
livng in Timbaktu. We have allowed ourselves to
Denny
If you going to shoot me down as a troll, then I can say only that you are
one of those that refuse to see the elephant in the room. I am a journalist
(and a journalism trainer), I know that if I want others to read what I
have to say I need to come up a headline that will attract
Hi all,
The Wikimedia Foundation and the Individual Engagement Grants Committee
invite you to submit proposals for grants of up to $30,000 to support
6-month projects that improve the Wikimedia community. These grants fund
individuals or small teams to organize, build, create, research or
Denny
PS: Your email is a typical case of shooting the messenger. I have seen
far too often that we seem to prefer that we don;t see the elephant in the
room.
What happens to emails such as mine? Nothing. They get flushed down the
gutter of electronic waste. There are so many bodies within the
Your disqualification of Wikipedia from being called an encyclopedia is, of
course, equally (indeed, more) applicable to _all other encyclopedias,
ever_. It is therefore incumbent on your to either agree that there has
never been an encyclopedia yet, or that your bar for what constitutes an
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com wrote:
Can you honesty tell me that you have not come across articles that are
'untouchable'? That you know they convey a view that is not entirely right,
but YOU and I cannot change it? Can you tell me that you have not come
Asaf
So you mostly agree with m, but prefer to come out knee-jerking first and
only after that showing that you somehow agree.
The elephant in the room is so big that we there isn't even enough room to
breathe properly to get enough oxygen to our brains.
Rui
On 1 August 2013 23:10, Asaf Bartov
On 1 August 2013 22:19, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com wrote:
So you mostly agree with m, but prefer to come out knee-jerking first and
only after that showing that you somehow agree.
No, he's saying you're full of it, because you are. Under your
definition, there has never been an
Laura
If this is a VERY VERY important topiic, as you put it, then why don't
YOU help, instead of joingng the knee-jerking squad? If you agree that it
is a very important topic and you are apparenly a better journalist that
me, why don't you do a better job rather than attacking the messenger?
David
I am glad to see to see that so far everybody agrees with me, just nobody
can see the forest for the trees and most prefer to demonstrate how
offended they feel at my pointing out how naked the emperor is.
So, whereas I write complete rubbish, what do you do to fight systemic
bias [which]
Let me pose a set of questions -
1; Do you feel this is systemic bias in people not wanting some articles?
2; and/or, do you feel this is systemic bias in people not having yet reached
creating some articles?
3; and/or,!do you feel this is systemic bias in lack of depth of coverage in
George
Thank you for your interest.
It is a systematic bias in not wanting some POVs. Which is why we got to
the point that we have a whole encyclopaedia governing the issue of POV.
I think a better answer to your question would be provided by doing an
analysis of articles with a high rate of
The specific examples you started with are not to my knowledge problem POVs -
unless one of the White Power groups showed up while I wasn't paying attention.
It would seem much more of the not gotten there yet or not (yet) well
covered in reliable sources for the specific ones.
Am I
I rarely jump in controversial topics here in Wikimedia-l, but I've decided
to share my 2 cents today.
I sign up for what Laura Hale said on facts data based support for such a
claim, but would like just to add a question:
* what does a real encyclopedia look like?
While I do see Rui Correia's
Rui,
as others are trying to tell you in this thread, I do not consider the
manner you are raising this topic to be helpful or constructive, and I
don't think that your continued defense of your approach will help or get
us anywhere.
Whereas anecdotal war stories as the one you describe can be
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:33 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote:
With the NSA revelations over the past months, there has been some very
questionable information starting to circulate suggesting that trying to
implement perfect forward secrecy for https web traffic isn't worth the
Op-ed: The VisualEditor Beta and the path to change
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-07-31/Op-ed
News and notes: Gearing up for Wikimania 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-07-31/News_and_notes
Featured content: Caterpillars,
Ryan Lane wrote:
...
Assuming traffic analysis can be used to determine your browsing
habits as they are occurring (which is likely not terribly hard for Wikipedia)
The Google Maps example you linked to works by building a huge
database of the exact byte sizes of satellite image tiles. Are you
The top goal for the Global Economic Map right now is to make bots that
will create empty articles for every country and region. I think this would
be a good first step right now.
Here is an empty article for spain:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/sandbox/Economic_Summary_of_Spain
On Thursday, August 1, 2013, James Salsman wrote:
Ryan Lane wrote:
...
Assuming traffic analysis can be used to determine your browsing
habits as they are occurring (which is likely not terribly hard for
Wikipedia)
The Google Maps example you linked to works by building a huge
database
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