Hoi,
I am getting so pissed off.
Let us be realistic. The user experience sucks ... It sucks big time and
even though the "community" is comfortable with it, it impedes the use by
the people we do it all for. They are the READERS.. they are not the
editors and the least this is done for are the pe
Dear Wikimedians,
We have put out a statement on the CIS-A2K's FDC proposal discussion
here [1]. As you will note the statement reflects on some of the
critical points of feedback that we received and outlines the steps that
we have taken and plan to take.
On behalf of everyone at CIS, we th
On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, at 00:52, Niklas Laxström wrote:
> Translate extension has supported for a long time having any language
> as the source language. There just has not been an interface in
> MediaWiki to set the source language of a page.
>
> The good news is that Kunal Grover, a GSoC student h
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, at 23:42, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote:
> At the Board meeting before Wikimania, Lila laid out her strategy to put in
> place best practices for product development. We will communicate sooner, we
> will prioritize smarter, we will test more, and we will achieve better
> outcome
On 8/14/14, 3:35 PM, David Gerard wrote:
On 14 August 2014 13:56, David Cuenca wrote:
It would be more sensible to let contributors participate in the tech
roadmap in more formal and empowered way than now, because without that
early participation there is no possibility for later consensus.
Great news Ivan!
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Tanweer Morshed
wrote:
> Thanks Ivan for sharing the interesting survey. After Britain, the survey
> in Mexico and US unveils that Wikipedia is still a major online platform
> for learning and majority of people have faith on it.
>
> Regards,
>
On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, at 09:47, svetlana wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, at 23:35, David Gerard wrote:
> > On 14 August 2014 13:56, David Cuenca wrote:
> >
> > > It would be more sensible to let contributors participate in the tech
> > > roadmap in more formal and empowered way than now, because wit
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, at 23:35, David Gerard wrote:
> On 14 August 2014 13:56, David Cuenca wrote:
>
> > It would be more sensible to let contributors participate in the tech
> > roadmap in more formal and empowered way than now, because without that
> > early participation there is no possibility
On 14/08/14 16:07, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
This is actually not correct. Take pending changes on the English
Wikipedia as an example - people used to complain a lot on how RfC's
were closed, but this is the business of the community. I have never
heard anybody complaining that the trial suck
Hi,
I propose some constructive ideas to improve the deployment of new features:
* granular deployments: create "user profiles" where the users can choose
if they want an overall appearance:
* "never ever change my interface": some experienced authors do not like
when one change every m
On 14 Aug 2014 14:50, "David Cuenca" wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 3:35 PM, David Gerard wrote:
>
> > A pattern we see over and over is that the developers talk at length
> > about what they're working on in several venues, then it's released
> > and people claiming to speak for the communit
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On 14 August 2014 20:27, Marc A. Pelletier wrote:
> On 08/14/2014 02:36 PM, David Gerard wrote:
>> So locally-editable site JavaScript, for locally-important gadgets and
>> so forth, is in fact something that's needed.
> That seems reasonable, but it's less clear to me that this should be
> bund
On 08/14/2014 02:36 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> So locally-editable site JavaScript, for locally-important gadgets and
> so forth, is in fact something that's needed.
That seems reasonable, but it's less clear to me that this should be
bundled with / part of the 'editinterface' right, at least as it
On 14 August 2014 16:27, Richard Farmbrough wrote:
> 3. The ongoing question of software development. The WMF is supposed to "to
> empower and engage" the communities to disseminate content "effectively
> and globally." It is not supposed to run with its own agenda. Bugs and
> feature reques
It would work for me.
Peter Southwood
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On 14.08.2014 15:35, David Gerard wrote:
On 14 August 2014 13:56, David Cuenca wrote:
It would be more sensible to let contributors participate in the tech
roadmap in more formal and empowered way than now, because without
that
early participation there is no possibility for later consensus.
This is all very nice "going forward", but it completely misses the salient
points.
1. It is an egregious social blunder to act as Erik has done - he
apologised (sort of) on the English Wiki, he should at the very least have
the grace to do so on the German,
2. There are concerns about the MV s
14.08.2014, 13:33, "Ziko van Dijk" :
> Henning,
>
> "To describe Eric's action I am tempted to use a
> metaphor that includes black uniforms and heavy boots. But that would
> not be appropriately written by a German to a German."
>
> You may find yourself very smart with this kind of wording. Let
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Mike Godwin wrote:
> Henning writes:
>
> > To describe Eric's action I am tempted to use a
> > metaphor that includes black uniforms and heavy boots. But that would
> > not be appropriately written by a German to a German.
>
> My experience over the last quarter c
Henning writes:
> To describe Eric's action I am tempted to use a
> metaphor that includes black uniforms and heavy boots. But that would
> not be appropriately written by a German to a German.
My experience over the last quarter century suggests that this
metaphor rarely works out well.
--Mike
Re: Erik Möller's remark: "In general, though, let's talk. The overarching
principle we're not
going to budge on is that this process is really not acceptable:
1) The UI changes
2) A subset of users is upset and organizes a poll/vote
3) The poll/vote closes with a request to undo said UI Change an
Erik said:
>We are very open to continuing the discussion about how the feature
>should be configured, how it should be improved, and how it should be
>integrated in the site experience
The message that is being given, though is, to quote Mathilda "I'm smart;
you're dumb; I'm big, you're little;
This is a talk from Rick Falkvinge, founder of the Swedish Pirate Party, at
the TEDx in Oslo last year.
I thought it was worth sharing with you all:
http://tedxtalks.ted.com/video/Changing-the-world-through-swar
It would be really interesting to apply these methods within Chapters and
the overall
Thanks Ivan for sharing the interesting survey. After Britain, the survey
in Mexico and US unveils that Wikipedia is still a major online platform
for learning and majority of people have faith on it.
Regards,
Tanweer
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Ivan Martínez wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> For an
The Board did not even consider to apologize for the rushed interference of
WMF staff on de:MediaWiki:Common.js which caused so much trouble in the
last days? No empathy for German Wikimedians who feel completely overruled
and locked out from maintaining its display and implementing community
conse
Only after the last editor has been been driven away
Only after the last article written by a volunteer has been published
Only after the last vandal has been reverted by a volunteer
Then will you find that money alone cannot write an encyclopædia.
See: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weissagung_der
Hi folks,
For any interested, today appear in the blog Codigo Espagueti[1] a survey
about the trust in Wikipedia and the use both in Mexico and the United
States. Some facts:
- 60% of people with internet access in Mexico has heard about Wikipedia.
- 82% are very or somewhat confident. In
It is weird that, for example, chapters' pages on Meta should be written in
English and then translated into native language -- according to current
logic.
I agree with Charles, this change would be a step forward.
Sure, translators-l will also agree.
*Vira Motorko*
Help save natural resources -
Hi Jan-Bart,
thanks for this statement.
Thanks to all on the board and Lila working on this, the improvement of
our website and trying to recover the trust of our community.
/Manuel
Am 14.08.2014 15:42, schrieb Jan-Bart de Vreede:
> Some of you have asked the Board and its individual members for
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 3:35 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> A pattern we see over and over is that the developers talk at length
> about what they're working on in several venues, then it's released
> and people claiming to speak for the community claim they were not
> adequately consulted. Pretty muc
On Aug 14, 2014 3:58 AM, "Erik Moeller" wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 5:41 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
> > Is there anything that the German Wikipedia could do to convince you to
> > disable MediaViewer there? Some percentage of active users showing up to
> > say so? Some percentage of users (logge
Dear all,
I would like to draw your attention on the Translation Extension for Mediawiki,
since 2 years now, community members ask to improve this extension by adding
the possibility to select the original language.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35489
We are in a movement whe
Hi all,
Some of you have asked the Board and its individual members for feedback. Some
of us are already in conversation with you or are planning to answer on
different pages. This is our general common statement:
The Board supports the decision to protect the Media Viewer roll out. Our
platfo
On 14 August 2014 13:56, David Cuenca wrote:
> It would be more sensible to let contributors participate in the tech
> roadmap in more formal and empowered way than now, because without that
> early participation there is no possibility for later consensus.
A pattern we see over and over is tha
Erik,
I'm impartial about the mediaviewer, but I have the feeling that this is a
recurring a pattern:
1) contributors ask for some change to improve their experience or the
reader's experience
2) their request is ignored because either it doesn't fit in the big
picture, or there is no mechanism fo
Henning,
"To describe Eric's action I am tempted to use a
metaphor that includes black uniforms and heavy boots. But that would
not be appropriately written by a German to a German."
You may find yourself very smart with this kind of wording. Let me
tell you from a North German to a North German:
On 12.08.2014 21:41, Magnus Manske wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Henning Schlottmann
> wrote:
>> This is serious. WMF really needs to appreciate the expertise of the
>> author community and accept their experience a important and valid. If
>> authors tell the WMF and particularly the
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 5:41 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
> Is there anything that the German Wikipedia could do to convince you to
> disable MediaViewer there? Some percentage of active users showing up to
> say so? Some percentage of users (logged-in or otherwise) disabling the
> feature? (Presumably we
Hoi Fae,
For me you added a positive notch at Wikimania to your reputation. It was
good to see you and you were involved and having fun..
Thanks,
GerardM
On 14 August 2014 11:07, Fæ wrote:
> Let's not encourage using meta like it was Facebook. However, meh, looking
> at the important names
Let's not encourage using meta like it was Facebook. However, meh, looking
at the important names listing themselves, I can't get very excited about
pursuing the point. I'd rather not get even more black listed than I
already am.
___
Wikimedia-l mailing l
Hoi,
Because you can..
Thanks,
GerardM
Op 13 aug. 2014 23:41 schreef "Michael Peel" :
> Why?
>
> On 13 Aug 2014, at 22:40, David Gerard wrote:
>
> > Add evidence of your insignificance here!
> >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/A_bunch_of_nobodies
> >
> >
> > - d.
> >
> > __
The community too is asking for kindness and consideration. Riding
roughshod over community consensus does not equate to kindness, or even
wisdom, unless it it that of Niccolò Machiavelli!
The Mission Statement of the Foundation says
*The mission of the Wikimedia Foundation is to empower and en
FYI, Lila had chosen to engage in discussion on her meta talk page.
Numerous editors are commenting there. Discussion also continues on the
meta RFC and on the English Wikipedia arbitration workshop page.
Pine
On Aug 14, 2014 12:03 AM, "Russavia" wrote:
Erik
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 5:32 AM, Eri
Ah, I believe when the Italian (?) Wikipedia started using my JS-based
also-search-on-wikidata tool. A dependency JS file was hosted on Tools
Labs, effectively DDOSing it to a halt. Moved file to en.wp, cache can
handle it easily now.
So, not technically a Wikipedia server, but a Wikimedia server
Erik
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 5:32 AM, Erik Moeller wrote:
>
> This is why on all major sites, you see a gradual ramp-up of a new
> feature, and continued improvement once it's widely used. Often
> there's an opt-in and then an opt-out to ease users into the change.
> But once a change is launche
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