[Wikimedia-l] Congratulations

2014-12-03 Thread Ad Huikeshoven
Hi all, Several organizations have held AGMs and (re)elected boards. Congratulations to Wikimedia Deutschland for electing a new board. Great wisdom and strength to them in their transitional period. Congratulations to Wikimedia Israel (WMIL) who reelected the board of WMIL and to WMHU for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Congratulations

2014-12-03 Thread Andrea Zanni
Thanks Ad, and congratulation to all. Cheers! Aubrey On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I've already congratulate them in Private not to spam everyone, but your solution is much more clever. Congratulations to all of you :) All

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Dec 3, 2014 3:46 AM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: Megan Hernandez mhernandez@... writes: As Lila’s email said, we launched our end of year English fundraising campaign on Tuesday. I wanted to share a little more background on the mechanics of the English Wikipedia campaign,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Martijn Hoekstra wrote: Dear fundraising team. Thank you for your efforts to make the fundraiser as quick as possible. I understand that effective banners allow us to keep the yearly donation drive as short as possible. Considering the rate at which the Foundation and its Chapters increase and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Martijn Hoekstra, 03/12/2014 10:13: I will automate this message for the first Tuesday of December, around 10:00 a.m. UTC. If others could automate their messages to not exactly coincidence with this one, that would help. Why December? Fundraising banners are up all year long. Due to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: I know I used to write an email internally every year, saying our banners are getting out of control, but that's because every year they get bigger and more obscuring of the content. This year, as usual, is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Charles Gregory
I don't think anyone is surprised when the Reg publishes a negative article about Wikipedia/Wikimedia. Someone there seems to have had an axe to grind for years. But in this case, we certainly need to stop giving them the ammo. Regards, Charles On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Andreas Kolbe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Note that there is a parallel e-mail campaign, which also seems to have ruffled some feathers. https://twitter.com/williampietri/status/539861727517868032 As shown in the screenshot of that tweet, the sender is Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia, and the wording begins: ---o0o--- Dear name, Thank you for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Dec 3, 2014 12:00 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Martijn Hoekstra, 03/12/2014 10:13: I will automate this message for the first Tuesday of December, around 10:00 a.m. UTC. If others could automate their messages to not exactly coincidence with this one, that would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Congratulations

2014-12-03 Thread Nurunnaby Hasive
Congratulation to all! Cheers! ​ On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com wrote: congratulation to all. Cheers! -- *Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive* Administrator | Bengali Wikipedia http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:nhasive Member | IEG Committee, Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Italia Executive Director

2014-12-03 Thread Nurunnaby Hasive
Welcome Giuliana..Congratulation.. On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com wrote: Welcome Giuliana. WMMX desires you a lot of success in this new appointment. Congrats to WMIT! Extra point for you for getting a ED with understanding of Spanish :P Auguri!

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland: New board elected, annual plan postponed.

2014-12-03 Thread Nurunnaby Hasive
​Congratulations WMDE new board! ​ On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Congratulations to WMDE -- *Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive* Administrator | Bengali Wikipedia http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:nhasive Member | IEG Committee, Wikimedia Foundation

[Wikimedia-l] edited mercilessly

2014-12-03 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hi, I have a vague recollection that when I started editing the English Wikipedia ten years ago, there was a notice near the Save button, which said something like this: Your changes will be edited mercilessly. I remember similar notices in other languages as well, though even more vaguely. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Liam Wyatt
Nicely put Martijn. Many a true word is spoken in jest. Dear WMF Fundraising team, please do not take this thread (or this email) as an attack on yourselves or the professionalism that you apply to your work. You should continue to take great personal pride in the crucial role you play to make

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of Delphine Ménard, Lodewijk Gelauff and Bence Damokos as AffCom Advisers

2014-12-03 Thread Nurunnaby Hasive
​Congratulations!​ On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Isabella Apriyana isabella.apriy...@wikimedia.or.id wrote: Congratulations! -- *Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive* Administrator | Bengali Wikipedia http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:nhasive Member | IEG Committee, Wikimedia Foundation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] edited mercilessly

2014-12-03 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
... Oh, actually now I see at the top of the English Wikipedia source editing page: Work submitted to Wikipedia can be edited, used, and redistributed—by anyone—subject to certain terms and conditions. As far I recall, however, it was near the Save button, and it definitely said something more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] edited mercilessly

2014-12-03 Thread Andrew Gray
I remember edited mercilessly as well... The current message is from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Editpage-head-copy-warn and dates from 2012. I wonder if this was changed when the ToU came in? An unscientific hint is that posters to the Wikimedia mailing lists more or less stopped

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Italia Executive Director

2014-12-03 Thread direttore-generale
Hello everybody, I am very glad to be part of Wikimedia world. I would like to thank you all for your warm welcome and for your availability. I will be delighted to get to know you and work with you. Ciao a tutti, Giuliana Welcome Giuliana..Congratulation.. On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 12:38 PM,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of Delphine Ménard, Lodewijk Gelauff and Bence Damokos as AffCom Advisers

2014-12-03 Thread Sydney Poore
Delphine Ménard], Lodewijk Gelauff, and Bence Damokos, Thank you all for offering your services to the wikimedia movement to give your expertise to this important committee. Warm regards, Sydney Sydney Poore User:FloNight Wikipedian in Residence at Cochrane Collaboration On Sat, Nov 29, 2014

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread rubin.happy
No response yet :( 2014-12-03 16:09 GMT+03:00 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com: -*Internationalism*: ...our fundraising practices must support the easiest possible transfer of money internationally. Instead, we've had the recent discussions about how donating is difficult from the Netherlands

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi. The chapters are not relevant here. It is only the WMF who raises funds. With more chapters the public is better served. Now THAT is worth the money we are asking for. Also the fundraising is NOT for Wikipedia. It is for the whole of our movement and for all of our products. Thanks,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] edited mercilessly

2014-12-03 Thread Lane Rasberry
Hello, This text has been a part of the five pillars for a long time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars Wikipedia is free content that anyone can use, edit, and distribute: Since all editors freely license their work to the public, no editor owns an article and any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Good points. Many people feel sincere gratitude towards Wikipedia, and its volunteer writers. I would suggest that the fundraising messages could *also* mention that another way people can express their gratitude to Wikipedia would be to become contributors themselves. On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] edited mercilessly

2014-12-03 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
The merciless was used in the standardised messages decided by referendum in 2009: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update#Proposed_terms_of_use It got lost in the implementation in 2009: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update/Implementation#Terms_for_edit_screen And then the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] edited mercilessly

2014-12-03 Thread James Forrester
On 3 December 2014 at 05:08, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Hi, I have a vague recollection that when I started editing the English Wikipedia ten years ago, there was a notice near the Save button, which said something like this: Your changes will be edited mercilessly.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] edited mercilessly

2014-12-03 Thread Stevie Benton
It's still on the WIkimedia UK wiki, but only visible when you are in the edit window (as below). I always thought it was really harsh and unwelcoming. Please note that all contributions to Wikimedia UK are considered to be released under the Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike (see

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Italia Executive Director

2014-12-03 Thread Tanweer Morshed
Congratulations Giuliana! Tanweer Wikimedia Bangladesh On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:09 PM, direttore-gener...@wikimedia.it wrote: Hello everybody, I am very glad to be part of Wikimedia world. I would like to thank you all for your warm welcome and for your availability. I will be delighted to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WHO interested in evidence on the impact of CC licensing

2014-12-03 Thread Jean-Frédéric
Hi James, I have be trying to convince the World Health Organization to go to a CC BY SA license for a few years now. Najeeb Al-Shorbaji Director of Knowledge, Ethics and Research at WHO states: https://dgroups.org/hifa2015/discussions/35152a41 We would welcome sharing with us some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Lila Tretikov
Hi all, This type of fundraising is -- by its very nature -- obtrusive. We are thinking about other options. But, as with anything, every action has equal and opposite reaction. Anything we do, we have to consider the consequences and we will find flaws. Now for the specifics: Yes -- the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all

2014-12-03 Thread Christophe Henner
110% !!! We bleu our first goal. Pierre-Yves Beaudouin writes: I'm the project leader of WikiCheese. KissKissBankBank Christophe writes: Thanks again, I tried to remain brie-f I had a dream like this last week, full of smoke and gorgons. Kudos à Pyb, Christophe and all: this looks

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Ryan Lane
Lila Tretikov lila@... writes: This type of fundraising is -- by its very nature -- obtrusive. We are thinking about other options. But, as with anything, every action has equal and opposite reaction. Anything we do, we have to consider the consequences and we will find flaws. Now for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] edited mercilessly

2014-12-03 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Thanks Nemo and James. In case you haven't guessed already, I am wondering whether having this message is a good idea or a bad idea. I don't really know and I can only make some guesses. I knew what a wiki was when I first encountered Wikipedia in 2004. Because of this, the edited mercilessly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Lila, Thanks for your response. In the past, fundraising was more of a collaborative effort - maybe it would make sense to rethink the fundraising process after this round, and see how the community can be made co-own the process, so that the work of the team becomes easier, and friction less.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread svetlana
It is already co-owned. It is just that people haven't bothered to try talking to the Fundraising Team. Is it time to rename Teams to something else, something that suggests that they don't work in a cave on the Moon? -- svetlana On Thu, 4 Dec 2014, at 08:32, Lodewijk wrote: Hi Lila,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Lila Tretikov
I would like to expose this more, maybe after this crunch. Just keep in mind that it takes time to anonymize and process -- a time that is otherwise spent on optimizing or collaborating. One bucket of resources, many demands... and I'd like to keep us as lean as we are :) Below is a soundbite I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland: New board elected, annual plan postponed.

2014-12-03 Thread Lila Tretikov
Congratulations, new board! On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 5:04 AM, Nurunnaby Hasive n...@nhasive.com wrote: ​Congratulations WMDE new board! ​ On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Congratulations to WMDE -- *Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive* Administrator

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
I have no doubt that the banners work. But in the opinion of a number of commentators here, the banners currently feature a very alarming wording – making it sound as though there is not enough money to keep Wikipedia online for another year without introducing advertising – and yet we know that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:42 AM, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote: I would like to expose this more, maybe after this crunch. Just keep in mind that it takes time to anonymize and process -- a time that is otherwise spent on optimizing or collaborating. One bucket of resources, many

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread svetlana
John Mark Vandenberg wrote: i.e. specifically asking previously highly productive volunteers who have stopped contributing whether they feel the increase in funds has not resulted in their work being adequately supported? Thanks for your great wording, John. I belong to this category

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:46 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: John Mark Vandenberg wrote: i.e. specifically asking previously highly productive volunteers who have stopped contributing whether they feel the increase in funds has not resulted in their work being adequately

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread svetlana
Hi, On Thu, 4 Dec 2014, at 12:30, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:46 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: John Mark Vandenberg wrote: i.e. specifically asking previously highly productive volunteers who have stopped contributing whether they feel the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Ryan Lane
Lila Tretikov lila@... writes: I would like to expose this more, maybe after this crunch. Just keep in mind that it takes time to anonymize and process -- a time that is otherwise spent on optimizing or collaborating. One bucket of resources, many demands... and I'd like to keep us as lean

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread svetlana
Hi all. I can see clear interest in everyone on this thread wanting to figure out the right way to do it. Let's not jinx it by painting WMF Fundraising as the guys who break and community as the gwho rage. Both these groups are rather capable of working things out (unlike the ...who break and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread svetlana
I wrote: it's usually both sides of the conversation at fault for accumulating their rage instead of communicating it early I unintentionally skipped a couple words. I meant to say: it's usually both sides of the conversation at fault, *such* *as* for accumulating their rage instead of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Ryan Lane
svetlana svetlana@... writes: I wrote: it's usually both sides of the conversation at fault for accumulating their rage instead of communicating it early I unintentionally skipped a couple words. I meant to say: it's usually both sides of the conversation at fault, *such* *as* for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] edited mercilessly

2014-12-03 Thread MZMcBride
Lane Rasberry wrote: This text has been a part of the five pillars for a long time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars Nice find. For the curious, the phrase was added to the Five pillars page in May 2005, seemingly copied from the user interface:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread svetlana
Ryan Lane, The whole of your post suggests that the fundraising folks are deaf. Your last sentence doesn't make you more to the point. This makes you really unapproachable and puts the fundraising folks into harder position as they have to cry, beg pardon and spend time apologizing -- as if