Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive)

2019-05-15 Thread Jane Darnell
Asaf, I have wondered at times whether you were ever scolded for some of the things you wrote on this list. I, for one, have always appreciated your comments and so I thank you for taking the time to craft your responses despite any WMF objections. I also would like to thank you for any moderation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive)

2019-05-15 Thread Samuel Klein
Asaf :) Thank you. Yes let us use this list well + with respect. Moderation has been much appreciated. Yaroslav: +1 to all of that! James: There were /Talk subpages already in 2001 ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Milestones_2001#July_2001 The pursuit of a generalized solution is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive)

2019-05-15 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Hi James, thank you for the answer, appreciated. Specifically about on-wiki communication, I possibly misunderstand the situation, but out of 900+ projects you mention, some are dead (no regular editors), and a vast majority is still in the regime when a few active users can follow the recent

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive)

2019-05-15 Thread James Hare
On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 6:26 AM Yaroslav Blanter wrote: > This is of course fine, and everybody is free to participate or not to participate on this mailing list, but, generally speaking, does WMF have any channels to listen to the volunteers working on the project? I am a product manager at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive)

2019-05-15 Thread Peter Southwood
Are they really "leaders of the movement"? P -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Mister Thrapostibongles Sent: 15 May 2019 08:40 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive)

2019-05-15 Thread Chris Keating
Thanks Asaf for this thoughtful email! I just want to respond to this bit - after all, the history is the history: > > It is WMF that is not behaving collaboratively here. And it is within > WMF's power to change it. C-levels, the ED, and other managers at WMF > could all decide to participate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive)

2019-05-15 Thread Andrew Lih
On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 1:40 PM Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > Likewise. I often refrain from commenting when I think it is more > collaborative and peaceful to do so, though. > > dj "pundit" > > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 6:00 PM James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com>> wrote: > As I trustee, I read and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive)

2019-05-15 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
Likewise. I often refrain from commenting when I think it is more collaborative and peaceful to do so, though. dj "pundit" On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 6:00 PM James Heilman mailto:jmh...@gmail.com>> wrote: As I trustee, I read and generally find this mailing list useful. Per the comments around

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive)

2019-05-15 Thread James Heilman
As I trustee, I read and generally find this mailing list useful. Per the comments around movement hierarchy, we have many leaders of our movement on this list. While the WMF trustees and senior staff may be the official leaders of the WMF we do not consider ourselves "the" leaders of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive)

2019-05-15 Thread Mister Thrapostibongles
Asaf, Perhaps there is a mismatch of expectations here. The trustees and the senior staff of the WMF are the leaders of the movement and we may presume that they know how to do their job. It is for them to decide on the way they wish to engage with the community they lead, and they have many

Re: [Wikimedia-l] tRecognition of the Wikimédiens du Bénin User Group

2019-05-15 Thread Sam Oyeyele
Great news! Welcome on board! Sam. From: Wikimedia-l on behalf of Felix Nartey Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 1:20:20 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wikimédiens du Bénin User Group Congratulations and Welcome! On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive)

2019-05-15 Thread Benjamin Ikuta
Well, there's always good ol' Jimbo's talk page. On May 15, 2019, at 6:25 AM, Yaroslav Blanter wrote: > This is of course fine, and everybody is free to participate or not to > participate on this mailing list, but, generally speaking, does WMF have > any channels to listen to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive)

2019-05-15 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
This is of course fine, and everybody is free to participate or not to participate on this mailing list, but, generally speaking, does WMF have any channels to listen to the volunteers working on the project? They often say so, but in practice I do not see any. This list used to be the one, but it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive)

2019-05-15 Thread Joseph Seddon
I do not think we should assign blame to those who left this list during and because of the periods of toxicity, and who are disinclined to participate here because of the memories of that and a continued perceived unhealthiness in the tone. Their decision to leave was a valid one. Not respecting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wikimédiens du Bénin User Group

2019-05-15 Thread Felix Nartey
Congratulations and Welcome! On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 11:21 AM Paulo Santos Perneta < paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > Congratulations, I'm very happy to see another community UG from Africa in > the Wikimedia map. > > Welcome Bénin! :D > > Paulo > > Aboubacar Keïta escreveu no dia quarta, >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive)

2019-05-15 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Yes, Asaf is absolutely spot on. Though I am afraid it is a small part of a bigger problem. Cheers Yaroslav On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 12:54 PM Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > Asaf thank you very much. This response of yours helps build bridges. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On Wed, 15 May 2019

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive)

2019-05-15 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Asaf thank you very much. This response of yours helps build bridges. Thanks, GerardM On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 03:17, Asaf Bartov wrote: > Speaking as a (very) longtime member of this mailing list, and one who is > carefully observing it for a few years now as a volunteer list >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the WikiClassics User Group

2019-05-15 Thread Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
Thank you all for your replies. Congratulation also to Wikimédiens du Bénin User Group, for being recognized with us. FYI, it seems that WikiClassics abbreviation will be WCS https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reports=revision=19091680=19086803 Alessandro Il lunedì 13 maggio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wikimédiens du Bénin User Group

2019-05-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Congratulations, I'm very happy to see another community UG from Africa in the Wikimedia map. Welcome Bénin! :D Paulo Aboubacar Keïta escreveu no dia quarta, 15/05/2019 à(s) 01:24: > Félicitations et bien venue a la grande maison de connaissance libre > > Le lun. 13 mai 2019 à 10:59, Bobby