Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Hi, Any CC license on Wikidata would be like puting a copyright on facts. I obviously strongly object on that, and therefore I also strongly object puting anything other than public domain or CC0 on Wikidata. The whole database could have a copyright in Europe, but I am also strongly against copy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Dear Leila Le 02/12/2017 à 21:48, Leila Zia a écrit : [I apologize for the longish response, and I will do what I can to take the rest of this offlist as needed. I just see a couple of places where I need to add more explanation.] Then I feel somewhat bond to respond too. But too make it short

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

[I apologize for the longish response, and I will do what I can to take the rest of this offlist as needed. I just see a couple of places where I need to add more explanation.] On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 10:31 PM, mathieu stumpf guntz < psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote: > Hi Leila, > > First, tha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Hi Leila, First, thank you for your clear analyze and suggestions. I won't respond extensively on list about this thread anymore for now. So to your reply, I will just make a single point more clear, and take the rest in consideration off list. Le 01/12/2017 à 22:49, Leila Zia a écrit : (i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

[I'm writing in my personal capacity.] Hi Mathieu, On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 2:45 AM, mathieu stumpf guntz < psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote: > > > Le 01/12/2017 à 09:34, Markus Kroetzsch a écrit : > > Dear Mathieu, > > You are in an impossible position. Either you want to be an objective > re

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Hoi, I would not call it research. You have an opinion and you are dead set on hearing yourself talk, making your current opinion prevail. Fine. You start from assumptions that are not proven.. "this is a wonderful community" there are plenty of arguments possible why there is a dictatorship of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Le 01/12/2017 à 09:34, Markus Kroetzsch a écrit : Dear Mathieu, You are in an impossible position. Either you want to be an objective researcher who tries to reconstruct past events as they happened, or you are pursuing an agenda to criticise and change some aspects of Wikidata. The way you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Le 01/12/2017 à 05:51, John Erling Blad a écrit : My reference was to in-place discussions at WMDE, not the open meetings with Markus. Each week we had an open demo where Markus usually attended. As I remember the May-discussion, it was just a discussion in the office, there was a reference to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Haha, thank you for the funny form of your message Luca. Now on topic, I'm not convinced that the current situation resolve the problem, it just pretend that nothing exist out of the simple cases. For example, currently we can not use data from OSM due to this license restriction. May the per

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Scott, The NC license clause is problematic in a number of jurisdictions. For example, at least in Germany, as I remember from my law classes, it also would definitively include not-for-profits, NGOs, and even say bloggers, with or without ads on their sites. One must always be careful in the choi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

My reference was to in-place discussions at WMDE, not the open meetings with Markus. Each week we had an open demo where Markus usually attended. As I remember the May-discussion, it was just a discussion in the office, there was a reference to an earlier meeting. It is although easy to mix up old

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Hello Markus, First rest assured that any feedback provided will be integrated in the research project on the topic with proper references, including this email. It might not come before beginning of next week however, as I'm already more than fully booked until then. But once again it's on a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Le 30/11/2017 à 12:14, Andrea Zanni a écrit : Maybe, instead of thinking about CC0 vs CC-BY-SA, we should try to think at the goal: how can we, as a movement, "fight" the exploitation from over-the-top players of community-generated content? Thank you for enlightening this surely far better way

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Le 30/11/2017 à 11:04, Amir E. Aharoni a écrit : 2017-11-30 11:46 GMT+02:00 mathieu stumpf guntz < psychosl...@culture-libre.org>: promises of Wikidata team regarding respect of licenses can not be trusted. So even if they suggested that that kind of massive import won't be done, it wouldn't be e

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Le 30/11/2017 à 10:13, Egon Willighagen a écrit : Dear Mathieu, On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Mathieu Stumpf Guntz mailto:psychosl...@culture-libre.org>> wrote: I forward here the message I initially posted on the Meta Tremendous Wiktionary User Group talk page

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Maybe, instead of thinking about CC0 vs CC-BY-SA, we should try to think at the goal: how can we, as a movement, "fight" the exploitation from over-the-top players of community-generated content? Of course, license is the primary tool every one of us thinks about. But (and please correct me if I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

> Le 30 nov. 2017 à 00:50, James Hare a écrit : > > On November 29, 2017 at 3:33:47 PM, Scott MacLeod ( > worlduniversityandsch...@gmail.com) wrote: > > Dear Lydia, Mathieu, Nicolas and All, > > I'm seeking a clarification here to "An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding > its considerations on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Le 30/11/2017 à 08:57, Luca Martinelli a écrit : I basically stopped reading this email after the first attack to Denny. That's sad to read, but I guess I must mostly blame my unfortunate formulations. I was there since the beginning, and I do recall the *extensive* discussion about what li

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

2017-11-30 11:46 GMT+02:00 mathieu stumpf guntz < psychosl...@culture-libre.org>: >> Nobody suggest in no way to do license laundering nor to violates Wiktionaries licence, > > It's not suggestion, it's what Wikidata is already doing with Wikipedia, despite the initial statement of Wikidata team[1]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Saluton Nicolas, Le 30/11/2017 à 00:23, Nicolas VIGNERON a écrit : Mathieu, I know you and like you personally, that why I can say that this mail is clearly not your best argument. Despite saying multiple times this is not a manifesto nor against Wikidata, your mail seems clearly fuelled wi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

On November 29, 2017 at 3:33:47 PM, Scott MacLeod ( worlduniversityandsch...@gmail.com) wrote: Dear Lydia, Mathieu, Nicolas and All, I'm seeking a clarification here to "An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0" re the implications of CC-0 licensing for Wikid