Maybe, instead of thinking about CC0 vs CC-BY-SA, we should try to think at the goal: how can we, as a movement, "fight" the exploitation from over-the-top players of community-generated content?
Of course, license is the primary tool every one of us thinks about. But (and please correct me if I'm wrong) I don't think that things changed much from when Wikidata was not here and Google just scraped/crawled Wikipedia for their own knowledge base. Players like Google have resources and skill to basically do what they want, and if I recall correctly they didn't really stop with CC-BY-SA content. So license is not an obstacle for them. As much as I don't personally like this, my question is: Is this a real problem? I don't like the idea of Wikimedia communities giving content for free to players so big that can actually profit hugely from this, (huge profits always translates to huge power), but I really don't know what we could do about this. Aubrey On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > 2017-11-30 11:46 GMT+02:00 mathieu stumpf guntz < > psychosl...@culture-libre.org>: > >> Nobody suggest in no way to do license laundering nor to violates > Wiktionaries licence, > > > > It's not suggestion, it's what Wikidata is already doing with Wikipedia, > despite the initial statement of Wikidata team that it wouldn't do that > because it's illegal : > > > > /"Alexrk2, it is true that Wikidata under CC0 would not be allowed > > to import content from a Share-Alike data source. Wikidata does not > > plan to extract content out of Wikipedia at all. Wikidata will > > provide data that can be reused in the Wikipedias./" > > – Denny Vrandečić > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikidata#Is_CC_the_ > right_license_for_data.3F > > > > I think that the extent to which massive import without respecting > license of the source should be investigated properly by the Wikimedia > legal team, or some qualified consultants. > > > > In the mid time, based on its previous practises, it's clear that > promises of Wikidata team regarding respect of licenses can not be trusted. > So even if they suggested that that kind of massive import won't be done, > it wouldn't be enough. > > This is another personal attack, and it's unnecessary and incorrect. > > The imports from Wikipedia were done by the Wikidata community, not by > Wikidata team. > > It's too easy to speak in retrospect, but there were these plausible > scenarios: > > 1. Editors who strongly care about reliable sourcing, in the style of > English Wikipedia verifiability policies, are strongly opposed to importing > data from Wikipedia, because by itself it's a self-reference and not a > reliable source. If it would succeed, data would not be imported from > Wikipedia, not because of licensing, but because of content quality. I > remember attempts to do this, but evidently this is not what happened. > > 2. Editors who strongly care about the prevention of license whitewashing > object to importing data from Wikipedia and prevent it. This also could > happen, but it didn't. > > 3. Editors who are good at writing bots or making a lot of manual edits and > love seeing Wikidata getting filled with data, import a lot of data. Like > it or not, this happened. > > Could anybody know in 2012 what would actually happen? I don't know. If you > would have asked me then, I'd possibly guess that scenarios 1 and 2 are > likelier, but now we know that that would be very naïve. > > Judging by what happened in the past, I can suspect that data from > Wiktionary will be imported anyway. Public domain or not, the bots people > will find a way around licenses. It's a certain eventuality. The bigger > questions are under what license will it be eventually stored, under what > licenses will it be reused, and will this contribute to the growth of Free > Knowledge. My intuition tells me that using more CC-BY-SA and less CC-0 > will contribute more to Free Knowledge, but what do I know. > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>