Re: [Wikimedia-l] An example where search could be improved

2016-07-28 Thread Pax Ahimsa Gethen
One risk of using Google to search Wikipedia is getting bad results. For several weeks, a Google search for "gender" returned a disruptive edit[1] that replaced the entire article with " There are only 2 genders. Male and Female." That edit, from May of this year, was only live for a few

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An example where search could be improved

2016-07-28 Thread Michael Peel
> On 28 Jul 2016, at 17:17, Jimmy Wales wrote: > > On 7/28/16 9:04 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> I've made the former a disambiguation page (not a redirect) linking to: >> * The [[History of Wells Fargo]] >> * The [[Wells Fargo History Museum]] >> >> You could have done

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An example where search could be improved

2016-07-28 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 7/28/16 11:53 AM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > We recently had a huge amount of discussion about the importance of search, > on this list and elsewhere. My strong takeaway from that was, nobody > disagrees with the position you're advocating here, Jimmy - that our search > is problematic, and is worth

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An example where search could be improved

2016-07-28 Thread Jimmy Wales
Yay! On 7/28/16 12:01 PM, Dan Garry wrote: > Hey Jimmy, > > Thanks for the report. This problem is one that we've been aware of in > Discovery for quite some time. It actually serves as a good example of a > typical problem that we face in improving search: we know there's an issue > with a small

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An example where search could be improved

2016-07-28 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 7/28/16 9:04 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: > I think that depends on the skin used. When logged put (so with > default skin) I get a toolbar with the options to which your refer > hidden behind its "advanced search" option. Ah, that makes sense and is good. > I've made the former a disambiguation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An example where search could be improved

2016-07-28 Thread Dan Garry
Hey Jimmy, Thanks for the report. This problem is one that we've been aware of in Discovery for quite some time. It actually serves as a good example of a typical problem that we face in improving search: we know there's an issue with a small subset of searches, and could fix this problem easily

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An example where search could be improved

2016-07-28 Thread Pete Forsyth
We recently had a huge amount of discussion about the importance of search, on this list and elsewhere. My strong takeaway from that was, nobody disagrees with the position you're advocating here, Jimmy - that our search is problematic, and is worth investing in. The only directly related ideas

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An example where search could be improved

2016-07-28 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 28 July 2016 at 13:09, Jimmy Wales wrote: > A journalist friend said to me that he "finally found something that > Wikipedia doesn't have" and he was surprised. What was that, I said? > "The history of Wells Fargo". > Go to http://www.wikipedia.org/ > > Make sure

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An example where search could be improved

2016-07-28 Thread Andrew Lih
We recently had a thread in the Wikipedia Weekly Facebook group, where we pretty much concluded the reason why we don’t have word in English for “looked it up in Wikipedia” is because that word is “Googled it.” :) https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/permalink/1050447111669786/

[Wikimedia-l] An example where search could be improved

2016-07-28 Thread Jimmy Wales
First, some context: I was in Philadelphia for the Democratic National Convention earlier this week, where I had been invited to speak (in a small side event) about connectivity and global development. I spoke about our work in the languages of the developing world, and made a point to say that