Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

2016-12-22 Thread Gnangarra
Interestingly Australia is looking at going towards developing a safe harbour process within its copyright laws, expand the access of fair use, make orphan works more accessible along with making it possible for collection agencies(GLAMs) to use copyrighted works

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

2016-12-22 Thread David Gerard
On 21 December 2016 at 02:53, Newyorkbrad wrote: > I think it might be useful to focus on how any of the proposed changes > to the law would affect Wikipedia/Wikimedia specifically, apart from > the broader philosophical discussion. Is there a good link for > exactly what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

2016-12-21 Thread Lilburne
On 21/12/2016 02:53, Newyorkbrad wrote: I think it might be useful to focus on how any of the proposed changes to the law would affect Wikipedia/Wikimedia specifically, apart from the broader philosophical discussion. Is there a good link for exactly what changes to the safe harbor laws are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

2016-12-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 December 2016 at 02:53, Newyorkbrad wrote: > I think it might be useful to focus on how any of the proposed changes > to the law would affect Wikipedia/Wikimedia specifically, apart from > the broader philosophical discussion. Is there a good link for > exactly what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

2016-12-20 Thread Newyorkbrad
I think it might be useful to focus on how any of the proposed changes to the law would affect Wikipedia/Wikimedia specifically, apart from the broader philosophical discussion. Is there a good link for exactly what changes to the safe harbor laws are being considered, as opposed to the more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

2016-12-20 Thread Lilburne
The DMCA and safe harbours is certainly why Google makes so much and pays so little from YT. So much copyright violating material gets uploaded there they just sit back and say "If you want it taken down you either play whack-a-mole or you allow us to run ads next to it and pay you a fraction

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

2016-12-20 Thread Lilburne
Well they might have a point. A recall that 18months ago in the wake of bad publicity Google vowed to do something about. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jun/24/google-youtube-anti-isis-push-inhuman-beheading-videos-censorship However it seems that once the bad publicity died down

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

2016-12-20 Thread Ariel Glenn WMF
The Communications Decency Act of 1996, Section 230, mentioned in Todd's email, is the subject of a recent lawsuit: http://fortune.com/2016/12/20/orlando-shooting-google-facebook-twitter/ Ariel On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:37 PM, Todd Allen wrote: > What you posted there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

2016-12-19 Thread Todd Allen
What you posted there regards contract terms between the artist and Youtube. That's between them to fight out. If they don't like Youtube's terms, they can take their stuff elsewhere. DMCA safe harbor has nothing to do with contracts. It means that, if you run an interactive web site

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

2016-12-19 Thread Lilburne
On 19/12/2016 16:45, David Gerard wrote: For various reasons * I follow music industry news. One drum the record industry has been beating *hard* in the past year is attempts to reduce the DMCA "safe harbor" provisions in order to squeeze more money from YouTube. It's been a running theme

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

2016-12-19 Thread David Gerard
Good to know :-) I was mostly just wondering if the music industry initiative was making any headway, from an outside perspective. Because if they chip a bit off, they won't stop there. On 19 December 2016 at 20:22, Charles M. Roslof wrote: > Throughout 2016, the US

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

2016-12-19 Thread Charles M. Roslof
Throughout 2016, the US Copyright Office has been collecting input on the DMCA safe harbors. WMF has submitted written comments to the Copyright Office [1] and participated in in-person discussions

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

2016-12-19 Thread Vi to
I see, thank you for your explanation, coming from a civil law system it sounds pretty weird. Anyway I concur, it's pure madness and some action must be taken. Vito 2016-12-19 19:46 GMT+01:00 geni : > On 19 December 2016 at 18:38, Vi to wrote: > > I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

2016-12-19 Thread geni
On 19 December 2016 at 18:38, Vi to wrote: > I wouldn't call DMCA safe harbor(s) "how Wikipedia is allowed to exist". At > a glance I'd say it would (at worst) impact on some (most) wikis way to > handle copyvios/the thin red line around fair-use, but most of our >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

2016-12-19 Thread Vi to
I wouldn't call DMCA safe harbor(s) "how Wikipedia is allowed to exist". At a glance I'd say it would (at worst) impact on some (most) wikis way to handle copyvios/the thin red line around fair-use, but most of our ecosystem shouldn't be affected. So, what am I missing? Vito 2016-12-19 17:45

[Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

2016-12-19 Thread David Gerard
For various reasons * I follow music industry news. One drum the record industry has been beating *hard* in the past year is attempts to reduce the DMCA "safe harbor" provisions in order to squeeze more money from YouTube. It's been a running theme through 2016. e.g.